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March 6, 2006

Freedom From Responsibility

(moved to top for Rawlco radio listeners - scroll down for new entries)

Via reader Michael Stuber;

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An offering by the University of Saskatchewan publication, the Sheaf, which chose not to publish the Jyllands-Posten cartoons out of respect for Islam.

Read this too, from former Sheaf news editor Jeremy Warren.

Related - Too many Christians, not enough lions? (link fixed)

Lost Budgie weighs in.


Update - from the comments, University of Saskatchewan President Peter MacKinnon has reportedly issued the following by email;

I feel I must publicly communicate with our campus community on what I have just seen in the student newspaper.

In the February 23 edition of the Sheaf, the editors explained that they would not publish the controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. It is surprising that they did not exercise similar restraint in their decision to publish 'Capitalist Piglet' in the March 2 issue of the paper. This is a cartoon that is certain to cause distress to members of our community. It has divisive shock value only and does nothing to advance the understanding or debate for which universities should be distinguished.

The Sheaf should apologize to us all.

Peter MacKinnon
President


Monday March 6 update: The cartoonist "Y!th" responds in the comments - after a fashion. Just keep scrolling

The heat is on now - Rawlco radio news is reporting the story, as is the local CTV affiliate. The story out of the Sheaf is that the publication of this cartoon was an error - a breakdown in the editorial review process, or something to that effect - and that an apology will be forthcoming in the next issue. (One is already up at their website). The managing editor Will Robbins,has tendered his resignation, but so far, hasn't spoken publicly.

I'll tell you why I'm not buying this - the Sheaf was out for days before the explanation and apology were offered. Editorial mis-step? Does the staff not read their own paper after publication? A true error would have been proactively addressed and an apology/retraction issued immediately. It would have also been yanked from the website.

Not until the cartoon was featured here, and the media began to pick up on the story did anyone see fit to respond.

A new blog, Boycott the Sheaf has awarded the "ULTIMATE HYPOCRITICAL
ADVERTISING AWARD" to McNally Robinson Booksellers, who pulled the Western Standard magazine from the shelves because they contained the Jyllands-Posten cartoons in the context of a news story.

Mar.7 Update
Saskatoon Star Phoenix has now picked up the story.

Posted by Kate at March 6, 2006 2:22 PM
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Makes me proud to be a U of S student from Black Sheep Press
This sort of thing really represents the mind set of a lot of western "progressives" as they call themselves, who seem to have a systemic loathing of themselves and their culture and history. This self-loathing means that it is exceptable to say anyt... [Read More]

Tracked on March 3, 2006 5:01 PM

Cartoon controviersies from across the border from Sister Toldjah
… in Canada. Via Lost Budgie: The University of Saskatchewan publication The Sheaf chose not to publish the famous Mohammed cartoons “out of respect for Islam.” They seem to have no problem at all though, publishing a cartoon of... [Read More]

Tracked on March 4, 2006 5:12 PM

Muslims could get upset about this too from Deborah Gyapong
Wouldn't if be ironic if the Saskatchewan student newspaper that refused to reprint the Danish cartoons "out of respect for Islam" gets a fatwa against them because it prints a disgusting, hurtful cartoon of Jesus. After all, Jesus, too, is revered a... [Read More]

Tracked on March 5, 2006 3:17 PM

Brave, brave Sir Robbins [posted by Allah] from Alarming News
Brave -- and original: The student newspaper at the University of Saskatchewan is apologizing for printing a cartoon depicting Jesus performing a sex act on a capitalist pig. The comic, which was published in last Thursday’s edition of the “Sheaf,”... [Read More]

Tracked on March 7, 2006 10:37 PM

Today's MUST READ from LeatherPenguin: "Umbrage" is Just a Start
So there's this shitty little student rag published in a corner of that vast, politically correct, hippie-infested wasteland beyond our northern border, that took a "principled" stand concerning the Mo-fuckhead-ahmed cartoons, which were a subject cove... [Read More]

Tracked on March 8, 2006 8:52 AM

CARTOON HYPOCRISY IN CANADA from Michelle Malkin
The Sheaf, a student newspaper at the University of Saskatchewan, refuses to run the Mohammed Cartoons, but doesn't think twice about running a cartoon depicting Jesus doing this (warning - it's vile):... [Read More]

Tracked on March 8, 2006 10:44 AM

On Jesus and Porcine Fellation from Grandinite
Kate blew the lid off a story about the student newspaper at USask publishing a cartoon of Jesus fellating a pig, and it’s reached statospheric proportions, having been picked up by Canada.com and Fark. It looks like plenty of readers of the c... [Read More]

Tracked on March 8, 2006 2:43 PM

Christian Cartoon Crusades! from MY Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
APOSTASY! BLASPHEMY! Burn the embassies! Burn their flag! Boycott Canadian products! Boycott their beer…and…and…I dunno, whatever the hell else they make! Goofy movies, or hockey or something! I just got a text message that sai... [Read More]

Tracked on March 8, 2006 7:09 PM

University Paper Won't Run Muhammad Cartoons, But No Problem Running A Disgussting Mocking Jesus... from RightWinged.com
h/t Michelle Malkin I don't even want to post the image on my blog because it's so disgusting, but The Sheaf, a student newspaper at the University of Saskatchewan who wouldn't run the Mohammad images, had no problem mocking Jesus... [Read More]

Tracked on March 8, 2006 11:39 PM

looking for the piglet, eh? from chou chope
howdy, ya'll i thought i was extremely popular with the... [Read More]

Tracked on March 9, 2006 7:57 AM

Sheaf cartoonist unapologetic from Marturia.net
The story Kate broke about the Capitalist Piglet cartoon published by the Sheaf at the UofS has took a new turn yesterday with the publication of this week's Sheaf. While the former editor (who resigned over the cartoon publication) is... [Read More]

Tracked on March 10, 2006 11:31 AM

Contemptuous cartoons of Jesus are nothing new from Magic Statistics
At the latter is posted a response John received from The Sheaf cartoonist, Jeff MacDonald, who sounds like he has a wild imagination. That's a long-winded introduction to a reminder that crude drawings mocking our Lord have been around for a very... [Read More]

Tracked on March 11, 2006 10:28 AM

Bestiality is now free speech? from reverse_vampyr
Do you find it as odd as I do that a "university" newspaper has no problem publishing drawings of bestiality? I suppose next we'll see an entire comics page featuring the Kama Sutra - as performed by the Pope (and leaders of other religions) - on an ... [Read More]

Tracked on March 14, 2006 3:19 PM

Comments

Well... he was Jewish, so kosher'd be in. Why publish something like and not the Muslim parodies? I'd be worried about Christians marching in protest and possibly burning down the University, but they'd all stop at the front entrance, remember their tax dollars paid for the school, and just end going into one of the Campus bars for a drink.

Posted by: William Macdonell at March 3, 2006 11:31 AM

ahhh students, smart enough to figure out which morality is "correct"

so much smarter than the rest of us.

Posted by: Fred at March 3, 2006 11:37 AM

I get your point, nevertheless, I would not want to be of the comic all star duo, when the day comes that they stand before the Judge of all the earth, and they will; you can take that fact to the bank!

Posted by: pastorwally at March 3, 2006 11:42 AM

This is why we love the blogosphere, think you would ever see this in the MSM? Have you tried to get a comment from the sheaf Kate?

Posted by: Platty at March 3, 2006 11:45 AM

hmmmm....

deference to islam, baseless slander against christianity.

I am not a christian, but this cartoon is pointlessly insulting to many people.

There is no way to coherently oppose the printing of the danish cartoons and print this. This is complete hypocrisy.

I support free expression universally, but to deny it for some ideas and then to print this is absurd.

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 11:47 AM

Good to see the U of S is turning out lots of future Dipper slaves for the Caliphate. Perhaps it is time to consider letting the University fundraise privately and get off the taxpayer teat. I am sure the Wahhabi sects could find some cash for like-minded progressives.

Posted by: Shawn at March 3, 2006 11:57 AM

Having received my BA from the U of S (Saskatoon) in 1966, I am very disappointed with this biased and unbalanced stance of the Sheaf. This rag obviously respects only Muslims but not Christians or Jews. And so continues, the "I hate the West" syndrome of the so-called Academia and MSM. The left suffers from a gigantic inferiority complex.

Posted by: Robert Bedet at March 3, 2006 11:57 AM

Just my humble opinion but I think it makes the cartoonist and editor look stupid as opposed to causing any genuine insult to Christianity. Why I would fire the editor is obviously they're a complete and utter moron and are doing a disservice to the student body by not performing their editorial duties by covering an dpresenting information that is useful to students. The Mohammed cartoons asked some serious questions about the acceptance of certain values in Islam that need debate - specifically the fact a suicide bomber would earn 72 virgins. This cartoon has no value whatsoever, asks no deep meaningful questions and is an insult to the intelligence of EVERYONE who reads it.

Posted by: Matthew Baldwin at March 3, 2006 11:57 AM

Proof of the late former BC Judge and Vancouver Sun Columnist, Les Bewley's oft reported contention that we could replace all Liberal Arts Colleges / Faculties with Library Cards.

Posted by: John Chittick at March 3, 2006 11:58 AM

Is it 72 virgins they get? I always thought it was 19. When did it go up?

Posted by: Bagadonitz at March 3, 2006 12:00 PM

Actually, I would hope that muslims would be offended by this as well, given that they "honour" Jesus as a prophet.

But, of course, the chances of any muslim organizations (or any institution of significance) making an issue of this are slim to none.

Everyone knows that student papers are overwhelmingly staffed by hippie/ndp/post-modern types and therefore pay little attention to them anyway.

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 12:05 PM

Kate: This is a wonderful example of the convoluted reasoning of the leftist rabble who "think" they are for free speech. They are so drunk on the freedom of our society that they've lost all perspective. They are the spoiled brats of virtually unlimited freedoms, who see Christians as more dangerous than Muslim Fanatics and Free Enterprise as more dangerous than coersive socialism. The cartoon you feature is a picture into the minds of these Socialist Utopians. They are completely intolerant while preaching tolerance; hateful while preaching acceptance, coersive while preaching peace, and despotic in their approach to freedom.

As long as they are a minority, we are safe.

Posted by: Debris Trail at March 3, 2006 12:13 PM

Just curious, how many of you are university grads that would have considered themselves liberal, until after a few years of maturity when you became conservative?

Here's one.

Anyone else?

What do you think about this idea floating out there that the Marxists and Leftists consciously took hold of the universities.

If you're a Liberal, how do you deny this?

Posted by: Doug at March 3, 2006 12:15 PM

Wow, mind numbing stupidity and cowardice - what a combination.
Can you imagine what self-indulgent ass would think this was witty social comment? I have no problem with disgusting or outrageous humour, I'm a big South Park fan, but satire has to provide insight and it has to be funny.

Posted by: nazz rune at March 3, 2006 12:16 PM

Editorial Policy? Shmeditorial Smolicy? The Sheaf, a voice for Saskatchewan "progressives" since 1912. +

"The Sheaf will not publish any racist, sexist, homophobic, or libelous material."


What is the editorial policy of the newspaper?

The Managing Editor(s) have the right to veto any submission they deem unfit for the Society newspaper.

In determining this they will decide if the article or artwork would be of interest to a significant portion of the society and benefit the welfare of the readers.

The Sheaf will not publish any racist, sexist, homophobic, or libelous material. +
http://www.thesheaf.com/about/

Posted by: maz2 at March 3, 2006 12:22 PM

It's nice to see cartoons like this. The more the left reveals their stupidity and bias, the better it is.
Sadly, they need to have it pointed out to them, because the University teaches them what to think, not how to think.

Posted by: virgil at March 3, 2006 12:24 PM

I guess if it is offence they were trying to achieve, then mission accomplished.

I hope the Dean of the Univesrsity and Alimni supporters are reading this right now. I have 4 sons. One of them has a pending enrollment application sitting on someones desk right now. In light of this double standard, perhaps it is time to rethink which institution deserves our hard earned money and support!

I guess we are closer to the end than I thought:

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God" 2Tim 3:1-4
Not surprised but disappointed

Posted by: Not Surprised at March 3, 2006 12:25 PM

Don't give me this freedom of expression bullsh*t.Western Standard and others are printing these and other insulting pieces to become part of the story and tap it for all the notoriety and free publicity they can get their greedy little hands on.
Wouldn't it be sweet irony if some crazy christians blew up the U of S?

Posted by: Canadian Observer at March 3, 2006 12:25 PM

After having a quick look around the paper's site it is quite clear that these kids are too stupid to know any better. One seems to think that the use of the word f*ck is somehow good writing. Like many students they are out to shock and be noticed.
I for one am not willing to pay any attention to these children while they act out.
Though it is troubling to see the state of the student paper it should not come as a shock. I would enjoy the opportunity to draft the lot. A little drill and PT might go a long way to turning them into productive citizens. National service is an excellent solution for a bad upbringing and lack of manners. It also tends to put a damper on whingeing and moaning.

Posted by: Mr. C.J. Mullan at March 3, 2006 12:30 PM

I think the problem of the predominantly leftist academia in Canada is a result of there not being a proper mix of private and non-private universities in Canada.
The funding for the non-private universities should be discontinued. It would be a good experience for these institutions of higher learning to become more self sufficient when it comes to fund raising.
Perhaps we would see more nobel prizes issued to academic staff as a result of it, since they would have to hussle to produce truly well educated people and to become more prolific in doing research.

Posted by: Robert Bedet at March 3, 2006 12:34 PM

JC is such a nice target.

HE made good grist for the mill, in the "Life of Brian." Loved the stuff about the crucified doing the two step from the cross singing:

"Always look at the bright side of death."

Alternately, the guys at the back of the crowd during the sermon on the Beatitudes saying to each other:

"What did HE say, 'Blessed are the cheesemakers.'?" Then expositorily positing that Christ didn't mean cheesemakers per se but had a wider net to include "all those involved in the dairy industry".

Enough to make one be seized by mad cow disease, I say!!

I didn't see all the Christians in Europe
during the Monty Python 1960s rise up and burn down British embassies across the continent.

Fortunately, for the West there is this concept called forgiveness, rather than the dispensation of so called Divine justice by its proponents.

So if you go to Church on Sunday it is because God has adopted you as HIS sons and daughters.

In short, you belong to the forgiven "Bigger Bastards Club"; which includes the usual assortment of hypocrites, moneygrubbers, the sick, disturbed, failures, 'normal people' and the occassional saint. Its members are those who recognize to varying degrees their need for redemption.

Now if I got arrogant, we would send the author of cartoon about two cents of lead travelling at high speed for being an offensive son of bitch and send them off to meet their Maker.

This of course presumes that one can arrogate to oneself what the Divine mind is thinking; which may be a greater leap of faith than the proposition of faith itself. It takes a bit of a simpleton to suggest to God: "Hey your sitting in my seat, so get the HELL out MY way."

Of course, the cartoon is intended to be provocative; but there is nothing there that says you have to 'take the bait' and get all exercised about it. The best that can be said about the cartoon is to simply ignore it.

Yep, Jesus in bed with the capitalists and manifest destiny etc, etc. It is trite Marxian drivel. No mature person of faith would be offended by another's stupidity. It is not in the Constitution but freedom of speech also includes the freedom to be a jackass, something JC rode on, if I recall!

Yep, I'm bucking for you. HEE HAW.

Now back to financial planning, like a good little capitalist because after all they screw everybody. Oh please.

Somebody direct this moron to the parable of the talents.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at March 3, 2006 12:35 PM

"What do you think about this idea floating out there that the Marxists and Leftists consciously took hold of the universities." [?]

In a university setting, today, it is almost impossible to present an argument in favour of capitalism, western forms of government, the beneficial contributions of the united states or the u.k., or western culture without being accused of being sexist, racist, facist, uneducated, or a redneck.

Every time, during my years at school, that I had something good to say about, for example, free trade, I was greeted by horror and rage by some members of the faculty.

Oddly enough, most of the biased majority of faculty were from the 60's baby-boom period, whereas most of the reasonable ones were either older (still holding to the traditions of free debate) or gen x (cynical about socialist plattitudes).

But overall, you are very right that the atmosphere on (most) university campuses is hostile to free expression and suffocated by political correctness.

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 12:36 PM

Pator Wally, are you the wild man from Winnipeg?

Posted by: soup at March 3, 2006 12:37 PM

Sorry, should be pastor Wally!

Posted by: soup at March 3, 2006 12:37 PM

Maybe i'm a little slow but I'm not quite sure what point they are trying to make.

Posted by: soup at March 3, 2006 12:38 PM

When I was at Queen's, I wouldn't call myself totally a lefty because I was still socially conservative, but I was a Marxist in terms of the-capitalists-are-all-crooks type, and I was quite a feminist, if you subtract the abortion and lesbian platforms from it (which, as I found out, was very difficult to do).

One of the things I am most ashamed of in my life is when, as a teaching assistant in a sociology class, I let the other girls belittle the one boy who dared speak up and say that maybe day care wasn't the best thing for all children, and maybe we should think that a mom might, just might, want to stay home. And I remember marking his papers very critically, because he was so SEXIST.

I wish I could find him now and apologize.

I am so embarrassed of who I was then. I consider my education one of the worst frauds in history. And I have no idea what I am going to do with my children's education. I hope they go into the sciences.

Posted by: SheilaG at March 3, 2006 12:45 PM

"Don't give me this freedom of expression bullsh*t.Western Standard and others are printing these and other insulting pieces to become part of the story and tap it for all the notoriety and free publicity they can get their greedy little hands on.
Wouldn't it be sweet irony if some crazy christians blew up the U of S?"

So there is a problem with Newspapers reporting news?

Or is there a problem with newspapers showing people images that are the subject of the news?

If some "crazy christians" blow up anything, it will be the fault of the people that commit the crime, not the people who publish the cartoon. Just like it was the fault of people who rioted for the riots in Iran, not the fault of the Danes.

But I doubt it will happen.

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 12:46 PM


It would appear, at a glance, that these leftish students regard fellatio as praying.

I suppose when one considers the obsession they have with sex, homosexuality, lesbianism, workshops on masturbation and so on, it's not surprising that perverted sex is a religion to them. Orgasm is a 'rapture' of sorts ... even better ... you can go through over and over again.

If a parasite happens to form, just vacuum it right of there and carry on with poplulation reduction.

Posted by: Duke at March 3, 2006 12:48 PM

This is a perfect example of why there should be no restrictions of freedom of expression.

If they can't print it, we don't know what they are thinking and are thus unable to make informed decisions about them and their actions.

"the Sheaf", I know you now.
"UoS", I know your students and faculty now.

I find this "cartoon" highly offensive, but it has told me what I need to know.

Posted by: foobius at March 3, 2006 12:50 PM

I guess the proper way to show my displeasure with this cartoon is to hunt down the cartoonist and cut off his/her head while yelling 'G-d is great'.

I'll make sure to get right on that, after I sell my soul to the devil of course. I hear he's got a good deal going on Alf pogs.

The editors of the sheaf are cowards. Cowards.

Posted by: Defense Guy at March 3, 2006 12:52 PM

Mr. C.J. Mullen
"I for one am not willing to pay any attention to these CHILDREN while they act out."

Let's see, the age of the university student is between 18-30. Last time I checked this is old enough to be treated as an adult with consequences in any other context. While what they do here is "childish" along with a few other more colorful adjectives I could use...they are not children.

Nothing will ne done about this as it is obvious that the academic and media institutions of this province and nation are cowards when it comes to facing a real threat to free speech from the radical Muslims but bold when it comes to offending and insulting those who have until now been some of their most ardent supporters.

The irony of it all is that if those of us who are of the Christian or Jewish faith were to protest or question this cartoon, we would be insulted and derided for questioning their rights to free speech.

"Draft the lot."...The sooner the better Mr. Mullen, you can have them. Get them off the streets and out of academia...they are an embarassment to those who fought to give them the right to free speech. With any freedom comes a measured responsibility... mature behavior understands this.
Maranatha

Posted by: Maranatha at March 3, 2006 12:54 PM

If Islamic terrorism has taught us nothing else it is that is you blow things up you get your way! Maybe Christianity could take this lesson to heart and get some respect. Oh, wait, "thou shall not kill." Too bad, thought I was on to something for a sec!

Posted by: Mr. C.J. Mullan at March 3, 2006 12:55 PM

Actually, go to www.thesheaf.com and check out the most recent print version (March 2). Not only is this cartoon on there, but 4 of 5 of the cartoons have some negative view about Christianity.

Brave, independent, progressive souls indeed.

Posted by: Brad at March 3, 2006 12:56 PM

Hi everyone, I'm a health care student at the University of Sask. and was pretty disgusted that my student paper would print these. Although the paper has never really printed anything informational or even entertaining this has really crossed my line and the lines of a lot of students. The Sheaf, however, doesn't really take criticism well and rarely publishes letters that cast it in a negative light. I was hoping that maybe if they received a large volume, they'd print some, or maybe even an apology.
The Sheaf: editor@thesheaf.com
or failing that, let the University president, Peter Mackinnon know about it:
peter.mackinnon@usask.ca
If you could write even a small message about your displeasure, it'd really help out the students on campus.

Posted by: Michael S at March 3, 2006 1:05 PM

Disgusting hypocrisy. The Thugs not only are winning this battle, they are converting new thugs. These students are brainwashed idiots who think they actually have something to say. Time to wake up, fellow Westerners. We are at war.

Posted by: Jeff in NC at March 3, 2006 1:14 PM

Jeff in NC
We are indeed at war on two fronts with Islam and with our own misguided, mentally disordered Left.

We must beat the Left before we can beat anyone else. They are the 'enemy within' and are a dangerous as any other enemy sworn to end out western way of life.

Posted by: Duke at March 3, 2006 1:28 PM

Michael S
I will be happy to take your suggestion and support the students who find this has crossed the line by writing both the rag and Mr Mackinnon.
Maranatha

Posted by: Maranatham at March 3, 2006 1:31 PM

Maranatha - Thanks. Despite what the Sheaf shows, it doesn't represent all the students on campus, it doesn't represent hardly any of us at all. The University is generally a fine institution, but this is putting a bad name on the students and the entire province.

Posted by: Michael S at March 3, 2006 1:38 PM

Dang, I must be getting old because I just browsed the Sheaf's latest edition (to see if there was anything meaningful) and found out they have a Carnival of Sex there! There must be some really long cold winter nights up in Saskabush.

In my day (arrrgh!) I thought the Engineer's annual Lady Godiva ride through the commons area (in april)was riske. Our tax dollars at work. I'm also sure that there is more than one set of parents that have either sold the farm (literally) or spent their retirement trying to get their young educated.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at March 3, 2006 1:41 PM

I had the pleasure of attending a speech by Salman Rushdie last night at Claremont McKenna College. As someone who has personal experience of Islamic 'sensitivity,' he had some interesting things to say about the Danish cartoon controversy. To paraphrase in no particular order (as I was unable to record it - although it may be replayed on C-Span):

'If I were a picture editor, I would have only published one of the cartoons: the one where Mohammed says that there are no more virgins left, as it is the only one with a punchline. That said, the minute there was violence, the cartoons were no longer the story - the violence became the story. Once there was violence, we had an obligation to demonstrate that we are not fearful. The only way to do that was to repeat the act, which meant republishing the cartoons. What under other circumstances would have been rude became required.'

...

'What we need are muslim leaders who will stand up and say that it is okay for Islam to be lampooned, that in a free society everyone agrees to take their lumps and that muslims will take theirs. Instead, what we have are leaders saying that Islam should be exempted from ridicule. In a free society there can be no no-go areas; without freedom of expression there are no other freedoms.'

...

'The Suffi mystical tradition in Kashmir and the Shia minature portrait tradition in Iran are the two greatest traditions in Islamic art, both of which have represented the prophet. To say that there is a prohibition on representing the prophet is a lie - and many in the West unthinkingly accepted it as the truth.'

...

'One of the most controversial of the Danish cartoons, the one where 'Mohammed' has a bomb in his hat is not even a representation of Mohammed. The face of that cartoon is that of the most radical muslim cleric in Denmark - the one that toured the Middle-East displaying the cartoons. Further, in Denmark there is a saying 'may an apple fall into your hat' which means good luck; 'may a bomb fall into your hat' is fairly self-explanatory in this context, a context that would have been immediately evident to people in Denmark. If we had been able to have an honest discussion about the cartoons, facts such as these would have come out - the violence precluded that possibility.'

Posted by: MSYB at March 3, 2006 1:56 PM

When I was a lad in school, I was perhaps a bit of a leftie... save the whales and all that, but it was tempered by memories of travels to Peru, when the Socialists took over.

It's easy being a leftie, and supporting leftist ideals. Until the piper comes to collect the bill.

I remember our family ranch at the foothills of the Ande's... nothing but rock and desert all around it, yet it stood out like a piece of emerald amidst all the dry arid landscape. Well watered land, with 500 horse, 50 race horses, employing close to 75 people.

One day the Socialists came and said we had to give half of everything to the locals. They split the property right down the middle, including the house.

What a house, 5000 square foot ranch-style layout. Marble everywhere. It was my families pride and joy. Manicured gardens all around.

I went back 2 years after as a favor to a family member on some business. Our half of the property was still a beautiful emerald green. The other half was rotting, dry desert. The house was a mess on one side, and the animals that had been turned over to the locals were long dead.

Socialism is wonderful in theory, but unfortunately fails in practice. There's never any follow through to support that which is attempted. Whats the point of giving people land if they can't manage it?

We don't go back there anymore, it's just to sad.

Yep, it's easy to piss on things when you 20... it's a lot harder when you get older, and have to work for what you get.

Everytime I pay tax's, I think of that damn ranch, and those bloody communists shouting "We are here to free the people, free their minds, free them from their chains of oppression".

Hmmpf... at least when we had the ranch, they ate, and had a place to sleep. The children went to school, and they had good medical.

All they had left after a couple of years were dry lumps of dirt, and a few thousands of scrap metal, but their were free right? Luckily the Commies got the boot. Never got the other half of the ranch back though.

It's easy to profess a leftist doctrine, and piss on everything that smacks of institutionalism. Right up until you need something done.

Posted by: William Macdonell at March 3, 2006 2:01 PM

The Sheaf seems to have the same policy as does the CBC, i.e. show tolerance only toward those religious faiths that might hurt you if offended.

Posted by: Phil L at March 3, 2006 2:05 PM

wow.

Very instructive story.

I guess that's why they call socialism the "anti-everything-that-works" movement.

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 2:06 PM

Doug: Your: Just curious, how many of you are university grads that would have considered themselves liberal, until after a few years of maturity when you became conservative?

Good point. As Margaret Thatcher put it, "The facts of life are conservative".

Posted by: me no dhimmi at March 3, 2006 2:09 PM

Michael S, do local businesses that advertise in this paper know what this student paper prints?

Would be good to update them too;)

Posted by: Buffalo Bean at March 3, 2006 2:16 PM

Nothing that free market tuition fees wouldn't solve, maybe?

Posted by: me no dhimmi at March 3, 2006 2:22 PM

[begin sarcasm]

Please, you don't think a paper that views capitalists as pig would willingly and knowingly take money from businesses (who exist to *gasp* make profit)do you?

That would be completely hypocritical and i would be SHOCKED if such a fine paper would do such a thing!

[end sarcasm]

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 2:25 PM


You want to get people back down to earth? You want people to take civics more seriously? You want people to stop with their moral relativism?

Bring back mandatory military service. 2 years of military service for everyone after highschool will eliminate PC/Leftist idiocy forever.

People lost their perspective when they lost their fear of being the one to take the bullet. Modern westerners have not seen hardship or death. They do not have an appreciation for the threats that they are kept safe from so they should be forced to be the one to do the safekeeping for a while.

Posted by: Warwick at March 3, 2006 2:30 PM

This cartoon is under Page A16 if you download the pdf. I'm going to write these intellects and see if they publish it...

Posted by: tomax at March 3, 2006 2:42 PM

Soup,
I'm not a wild man from Winnipeg, just a fool from Saskatoon. (Seen on the front of a sandwich board: "I'm a fool for Christ"; on the back: "Whose fool are you?"

Posted by: pastorwally at March 3, 2006 2:45 PM

RE: Capitalist Piglet - So let me see, the Sheik, er, the Sheaf says it's ok not to publish the Muslim cartoons out of "respect"

...but publish one towards Christianity...

Uh huh...glad to see UofS students are smart enough to figure out which respect is best, don't want any beheading or building burning right?

Posted by: tomax at March 3, 2006 2:49 PM

Michael S. I'm a U. of S. grad of the '50's. I will certainly write a letter to the editor and to president Mackinnon. Why is it that only the idiots get to decide what is printable? I'm all for contacting the advertisers. There's nothing like losing funding to smarten them up, whereas demonstrations will just reinforce their claim to media fame.

Posted by: Kathleen at March 3, 2006 2:55 PM

That cartoon is most defnitely offensive, it certainly insults the dignity of Christians. I am offended. Thanks for posting it, though. It was necessary.

By the way, "Life of Brian" was was hilarious. Poking fun at the life of Christ and the interpretational errors of Christians isn't always offensive, if you have even a slight funny bone.

Posted by: Feisty at March 3, 2006 2:56 PM

"Bring back mandatory military service. 2 years of military service for everyone after highschool will eliminate PC/Leftist idiocy forever."

While I'm sure that it would do them some good (I know that my time in the infantry certainly did)

I wonder:

Who would want to count on one of these writers to watch their back in, say, Afghanistan?

Not me.

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 3:03 PM

Warrwick .. I couldn't agree more ...

I have thought that very thought ofen.

I live in the USA in the 60s and 70s and many male persons I met had done their two years and they were no mommy's boys. They learned a bit about responsibility and had developed some good personal skills.

I was rock musician in Cleveland Ohio for many years and I saw lots of young men go in and come out. They went in as kids and came back as men.

They had an air of confidence that can only come from a good dose of reality and being away from the 'nurturing' environment for a couple of years.

What a great idea. Glad you said it.

It will not happen here thought. Too bad.

Duke

Posted by: Duke at March 3, 2006 3:04 PM

Double standard hypocrisy, plain and simple. In our muddled middle society, if anyone screams, burns things, stops speakers, well, then they obviously feel strongly and therefore must be right. That is why there is open season on Christianity, Jesus Christ, etal. By and large, Christians don't go on rampages, kill, behead people or blow things up. In our non-logical society, that means they don't fell strongly about these issues, and are, therefore, wrong. One of these days we will figure our the anti-modernists (Islamists, extreme environmentalists, anti-globalists, etc - you know, the ones who think George Bush is the world's worst terrorist) hate our society, but have no problem cashing the cheques. That is hypocrisy, and if we don't recognize these hateful, bigoted people for what they are, they will be the ruin of us

Posted by: Phil at March 3, 2006 3:09 PM

also wrote to the president, a little more serious toned letter, so hopefully will get an apology. Will print here if you want Kate.

cheers
tom

-------------
As per our phone conversation, I am appalled at the udder disregard "in the name of free speech" done towards Christianity in a recent publication of the students newspaper, the Sheaf.

I am of course referring to the cartoons on page A16.

Totally tasteless and shameless mockery of a faith - anyone's.

As I understand it, the publication wouldn't publish the Danish cartoons out of "respect for Islam", but it is alright towards Christianity? As well as a hidden anti-semantic jab at the Jewish faith - "it kosher if you don't swallow" is a double insult.

Again, this being from a distinguished higher education facility as the University of Saskatchewan is this what one is to expect as moral standards being taught today?

Sincerely
Tom McLaughlin
403.........

Posted by: tomax at March 3, 2006 3:23 PM

Silly little bunch of adolescent intellectual wannabees trying to be noticed. Oh how shocking. Give me a break. It's always nice to watch them when the real world and reality shocks them.

Posted by: Western Canadian at March 3, 2006 3:33 PM

ha! I meant utter...

Freudian reference slip of flatlanders...

Posted by: tomax at March 3, 2006 3:41 PM

Like Doug, Sheila and some other commentators, I was a leftie in university. I'm only 24, so that was very recently. My professors all taught that "White Male Patriarchal Capitalist Imperialist Hegemony" (re-arrange those words however you like) was source of all the world's problems. Taking a pro-capitalist stance would've meant ridicule and name-calling.

During a social work class discussion of First Nations issues, an Aboriginal classmate brought up the corruption and nepotism on her home reserve, and the problems her mother encountered when going through a divorce. She was told that she sounded like a white male by another classmate, to which the prof said nothing. It was at that point that I started to realize the true nature of the brand of pomo/socialism that's so common on university campuses.

I'm not a Christian, the anti-capitalist nature of the cartoon displeases me, but that is their editorial right. What offends me more is their blatant and unapologetic hypocrisy.

Posted by: Angela at March 3, 2006 4:00 PM

Behold the titanic, brobdingnagian hypocrisy, bigotry, double standards and utter contemptiblity of the left!

At least we Judeo-Christians, despite taking great offence, aren't going around lopping off peoples' heads and whatnot.

See the differences?

Another nail in the coffin of leftism... which will eventually experience its undoing... like East Berlin and the USSR.

Leftism is a dangerous force. Leftists are not only incredibly self-destructive in their attempt to escape the emptiness and despair stemming from a life without values, without goals, without tradition, without intelligence... they align with the most evil forces on earth and against all that is good and which stands against evil.

Leftists are effectively opposed to freedom, democracy and the rule of law, for they live not by any of these gifts given to them by many who paid the ultimate price so they could live with them. Let us turn our backs towards leftists. Make them realize they are outsiders and will be treated as such.

Stomp on leftism! DOWN with leftism!

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at March 3, 2006 4:00 PM

Kate, I wish these university followers of ward churchills and their ilk and the msm would just read 534 and 535 verses of the koran and see if they still have this great respect of islam. Better yet publish those verses in their worthless rags. Thanks Kate

Posted by: bartinsky at March 3, 2006 4:03 PM

guess someone should remind the papers editors what there mandate is.... they certainly were not paying attention to there supossed creed.

The Sheaf - Student Newspaper
The Sheaf is a non-profit, student-run newspaper at the University of Saskatchewan. Its mission is to inform and entertain University of Saskatchewan students by addressing relevant student issues; by encouraging pluralistic thought and discourse; and by enabling students to practice progressive, accountable, and ethical newspaper publishing. The Sheaf shall strive to offer practical support to students interested in learning about newspaper publishing; operate in a democratic, accountable manner, practice honest communication; perform ongoing, informal reviews; and celebrate the efforts of its volunteers.

All undergraduate students pay an annual fee to support the newspaper; however, advertising revenues account for the majority of the Sheaf’s operating budget.

Selected annually from among the full-time undergraduate students, the Sheaf staff and Directors are responsible for publishing a weekly newspaper during the Regular Session.

Students are encouraged to contact the Sheaf’s editors about contributing artwork and writing, and undergraduate students may become part of the Sheaf Publishing Society’s Collective. For further information, Tel: 306-966-8688.

Posted by: spike at March 3, 2006 4:06 PM

"Why publish something like and not the Muslim parodies?" William MacDonell ( # 1 Comment ).

"The Danish cartoons? What cartoons?" The Left is intellectually/morally bankrupt; they know it. The Left is a barren wilderness; a valley of dry bones; a valley of death.
+

What's wrong with this picture?

Some observations from Tim Blair:

The forbidden cartoons of Mohammadness have been published more widely in Muslim countries than in Australia, New Zealand, and Canada combined. In Malaysia alone, three newspapers ran images – compared to just two newspapers in Australia.

Not a single major US daily went near them.
...


Commentary

I think the real reason for the reluctance among Anglospheric publications to print the Danish cartoons was less timidity than the fear of tacitly repudiating the underlying assumption of the President Bush's War on Terror, that the West is not at war with Islam but only with a small group of extremists who have corrupted "the religion of peace". The Danish cartoons threatened to convert this limited war into a more general confrontation between the value systems of the West and Islam. Why, one might ask, should the media, with no love lost for President Bush, care at all about protecting the key assumption of his limited war? The reason I think, is that the Left in their reflexive opposition to President Bush since the invasion of Iraq had not bothered to create a war strategy of their own. The nomination of Senator John Kerry in 2004 was an attempt to offer up the appearance of an alternative rather than a rival strategy. He was a placeholder for a policy that didn't exist. Trapped in the mental world of the 20th century, the Left had not decided how to respond to the challenge of the 21st. In marked contrast to the Cold War, in which 9 successive US administrations pursued the common policy of containment against the Soviet Union, the war after September 11 was characterized by the absence of a strategic consensus. President George Bush had a strategic vision; and the Democrats an endless supply of peanuts which they were prepared to pitch from the gallery.

Once the Danish cartoon crisis threatened to knock the props out from under President Bush's limited war on Islamic renegades and escalate it to a "clash of civilizations" the barrenness of the Lefist intellectual cupboard became obvious even to themselves. There was no recipe to deal with this contingency. A "clash of civilizations" would pull matters from their grasp precisely because they refused to touch it in the first place. They could only continue to pretend Islamism didn't exist; and so they thrust their heads into the sand even further. The Danish cartoons? What cartoons? +
http://www.fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/

Posted by: maz2 at March 3, 2006 4:11 PM

tomax:

"ha! I meant u(dd)er..."

I thought that was a send up on my "Blessed are the cheesemakers" Monty Python reference.

BTW Feisty I slipped in Monty Python's "Life of Brian" as a study in contrast.

Given the Danish are noted cheesemakers; would that be Yarlsberg or Havarti?

Perhaps we should send some Danish cheese to Iranian President who has on his mind the destruction of Israel by means of nuclear Holocaust.

Of course Adminewhackjob wouldn't have gotten anywhere near his diabolical dream were it not for famous Danish physicist Niels Bohr or is that Niels BOAR?

For an electrifying read consider Hans Christian Ørsted noted for discoveries in electromagnetism.
Alternately, Soren Kierkegaard will help with existential angst but be no help in making your way to heaven. Ironically, within the world of philosophy, Søren Kierkegaard has become known as the GODfather of existentialism.

But I have always been in favour of world CHEESE.
So don't be afraid of harsh cheeses when you can just EDAM and GOUDA.

So I commend you to that famous Monty dictum:

"Blessed are the cheesemakers for the kingdom of God is theirs."

Beats the HELL out of the Iranian president's nuclear incineration proposal. On the other hand, if Adminewhackjob gets his wish we can all talk to GOD directly, no translator required.

Albert Einstein noted when grappling with quantum physics and Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle:

“God does not play dice with the universe.”

Of course God may or may not play dice with the universe; but this does not appear to stop man from attempting to “roll the dice” with mankind. As Hans Bethe, Nobel physics laureate and chief theoretical physicist on the Manhattan project noted if World War 3 is going to use hydrogen bombs the following war would be fought with sticks and stones. Apparently death and destruction doesn’t have much to commend it.

So practice disrimination when selecting fine wine, women and above all cheeses.

Now where did my Dutch wife hide the GOUDA!?!

Blessed are the cheesemakers indeed.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at March 3, 2006 4:32 PM

I've got a similar story to tell, which involves a letter I wrote to my campus newspaper regarding a similarly outrageous anti-Christian cartoon. I'll post more later.

Posted by: Dante at March 3, 2006 4:50 PM

Y'know, there are three categories of people in society who need to be rigorously and routinely ignored when it comes to serious opinions on just about anything:

Students, actors and models.

Posted by: JJM at March 3, 2006 4:53 PM

It's anti-semitic, since Jesus was Jewish. Let's see someone complain to the human-rights commission.

Oh, and I'm sure Muslims will be pleased to see the prophet Jesus portrayed as a cocksucker. I expect Place Riel to be burning soon.

I went to U of S in the early 90s, and know the sheaf well; we used to call it The Shit. C'mon Sheaf, have some guts and at least be *consistent*.

Posted by: Norman Lorrain at March 3, 2006 4:59 PM

Well at least it's funnier than the Danish cartoons.

Posted by: Jose at March 3, 2006 5:01 PM

"Well at least it's funnier than the Danish cartoons." -- Jose.

Thanks for coming out, Jose.

Posted by: EBD at March 3, 2006 5:04 PM

Trapped in the mental world of the 20th century, the Left had not decided how to respond to the challenge of the 21st.

Heh, while keeping the Biblically illiterate right busy with nonsensical cartoons the left has quietly moved on. It's called the Third Way and you've already been recruited.

Posted by: ol hoss at March 3, 2006 5:07 PM

No Way, Jose, the Mohamad cartoons actually were intelligent; they made sence: they related to events in teh real world: for example, I enjoyed the one where mohammed, flanked by two women in burkas, had his eys blacked-out: the women where enitrely blacked out by the burkas, excoet for their eys, which could see. Or Mohamed telling the long line of singed bombers:"stop! we ran out of virgins!" funny stuff.
The response from many of teh fanatics being targetted was predictably was midieval.
What is wrong with you, Jose?

Posted by: Bushman at March 3, 2006 5:10 PM

i agree that most students, especially those who have never earned a living or paid taxes, naturally len towards utopian lefty ideals. many of them switch to the right when they enter the real world.

a large part of the problem is the culture of those teaching them. tenured professors are just professional students enjoying their entitlements.

osgoode hall law school was insanely far left leaning. my first year property law prof showed up the first day in a t-shirt that was emblazoned with "property is theft".

Posted by: allen at March 3, 2006 5:13 PM

"Well at least it's funnier than the Danish cartoons."

Not at all.
The Danish cartoons weren't especially clever, but at least they were relevant.

what point, exactly, does this cartoon make about a real contemporary issue?

Provocation without relevance is not satire.

Posted by: GM at March 3, 2006 5:17 PM

Kate I've got a similar case about an anti-Christian cartoon you might want to see here. I've got the whole story posted to my blog. Here's the address of the post:

http://uncommontruths.blogspot.com/2006/03/another-campus-newspaper-features-anti.html

Posted by: Dante at March 3, 2006 5:18 PM

Allen -

Sounds like that prof would fit in nicely if he/she were filling a spot on the bench of the SCOC.

Posted by: Kevin at March 3, 2006 5:43 PM

The graphics stink. It has the artist integrity of a crayoned napkin. The message and the context are a potpourri of hackneyed shallow leftist bumpersticker memes.

I guess if you are 18, you've scored in the teeny-bop shock jock world. (This kid would do better majoring in denistry.)

I'll take the metaphor, art and satire of bomb turbined Mohammed any day. Well developed, timely and on target.

Posted by: penny at March 3, 2006 5:49 PM

kevin,

they also offered a course called 'corporation as criminal'.

however, i always enjoy getting my annual call for alumni donations and explaining to them that it would be hypocritical of me to expect that they would accept money from a capitalist. as such, i would not insult them by offering them any of my ill-gotten gains. although, the callers never seem to get it.

Posted by: allen at March 3, 2006 5:53 PM

Comments above about LW students turning into RWers reminds me of an old saying: "a young person that is not LW has no heart, and old person that is not RW has no brain".

Posted by: Bushman at March 3, 2006 5:55 PM

good quote bushman.

Posted by: allen at March 3, 2006 6:00 PM

I contribute to the U of S every year;

I just told them (via e-mail)that I would be taing a break: then I decided to shift my suport to STM, the Catholic college.

Posted by: Bushman at March 3, 2006 6:07 PM

btw, i never commented on the cartoon directly. i am assuming that the capitalist piglet is a regular feature in this rag. the name of the cartoon is fair warning, i guess. socialists and far lefty's are crude and intellectually dishonest.

oh, the irony. they don't understand that they have the right to do this only because of the funding provided by those that they shamefully and disgustingly attack.

it's gratuitous vile garbage with no punchline. it's not funny or interesting. i'm not a christian, but it makes me sick. do they have the right to print it? yes.

i have the right as well to call them scumbags and spineless twits for printing this at the same time they declare they will not print the much more innocuous danish cartoons. the sheaf is morally bankrupt, shallow and insignificant.

you people are asswipes, sorry kate, can i say that?

Posted by: allen at March 3, 2006 6:23 PM

"Well at least it's funnier than the Danish cartoons."

Posted by Jose at March 3, 2006 05:01 PM

Thanks for showing your true colours.

Posted by: LC CanForce 101 at March 3, 2006 6:51 PM

Allen-
Thanks for your further comments, great response to their funding requests.

Of course they wouldn't get it, they probably believe that you'd be relieved to offer up as "atonement" for your capitalist "sins"!

These morons have tenure at what is supposedly Canada's finest law school?!! Mind-boggling!
No wonder so many lawyers who enter politics seem to have such screwed-up lines of reasoning. You must be made of better stuff to escape with your good sense intact.

Posted by: Kevin at March 3, 2006 7:02 PM

kevin, most lawyers are businesspeople, they shed the left thing after practicing. the odd public exception is someone like clayton ruby. he has a lot of family money to cushion everything else. he has the room to move. he has chosen to act for the left.

the other exception is feminists doing family law. they're agenda is to destroy dads. men are evil.


the vast majority of us are people that with whom you would enjoy having a drink. especially me, and if you're buying, i'm in.

Posted by: allen at March 3, 2006 7:18 PM

sorry for my gram errors. please replace.


the majority are those with which you would enjoy

Posted by: allen at March 3, 2006 7:25 PM


Send an e-mail to the editor, they won't print it, but they will read it.
Laugh at them and their pathetic logic.
Ask them about their hypocrisy.
Ask them if they know that all the issues that are near and dear to them aren't shared by the religion they chose to respect.
Mock them.
Be condescending.
Treat them like the intellectually weak children of the nanny state.
Show them no respect because they have earned none.
Ask them when they will be ready to help Canada join the ranks of the grown up countries.

The Sheaf: editor@thesheaf.com

Posted by: Virgil at March 3, 2006 7:30 PM

Allen-
Don't get me wrong, it was "most lawyers entering politics", not "most lawyers". Most lawyers I've met I like.

There are some empty skulls on some though, like that Bay Street lawyer who claimed that PMSH had said something incredibly sexist when he remarked that Stronach never seemed to be very "complex". I don't know she found that sexist, the remark was about BS, I don't believe he made any reference to women. The lawyer seems to have an inferiority complex is she can automatically assume that he applied that statement to women in general. Any intelligent male knows they're a hell of a lot brighter than our gender! :-)

Hell yah, I'd buy you a drink; you survived Osgoode with your faculties intact! That makes you akin to a Veteran in my opinion! A nice single malt perhaps?

Posted by: Kevin at March 3, 2006 7:31 PM

kevin, bad lawyers often wrongly depict their clients. but, the garbage comes out in cross examination, hopefully in discovery before you get to trial.

sounds like you're involvoved in litigation, good luck to you.

Posted by: allen at March 3, 2006 7:55 PM

JJM "Y'know, there are three categories of people in society who need to be rigorously and routinely ignored when it comes to serious opinions on just about anything - Students, actors and models"


*whew* I missed that bullet...

;-)

Posted by: tomax at March 3, 2006 8:10 PM

Oh, come on ... give them a break. All they've done is is put in a resume to CBC, CTV, Toronto Star, G&M, etc., etc, etc, ...

Push hard - is what I say them ... and enjoy driving a cab.

Posted by: ural at March 3, 2006 8:48 PM

Does "The Red Eye" have an appropriate response to "The Sheaf"'s brokeback Christ toon? I'd like to see what they do in the next issue! There's at least one identifiable group at the U.of S. that's not afraid to stand against idealogical bullying.

Posted by: Martin B. at March 3, 2006 8:50 PM

They've shown what they think of Christians supporting the Jews and the state of Israel. (And I wouldn't explain it any further than that because I'm a lady.)
But, Jeshua is much bigger than their tiny underdeveloped minds. They've grieved him, but they'll see him one day - and it could be sooner than they realize. Amen.

Posted by: gellen at March 3, 2006 8:54 PM

UNC-Chapel Hill Attack Motive: Islamic Rage

Last week we had a report on University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill student newspaper The Daily Tar Heel, which ran an original cartoon of Mohammed that enraged Muslim groups: lgf: Daily Tar Heel Now Targeted for Cartoon Jihad.

Now it appears that a Muslim psychology graduate from UNC-Chapel Hill may have committed the first act of terrorism inside the US connected to the cartoons: New Details about UNC-CH Attack. (Hat tip: Confederate Yankee.)

(03/03/06 — CHAPEL HILL) - The driver of an SUV that plowed into a group of pedestrians at UNC-Chapel Hill on Friday told police it was retribution for the treatment of Muslims around the world, according to ABC News.

It happened around noon Friday in front of Lenoir Hall on the campus, in a common area known as the Pit. Paramedics took six people to UNC Hospitals. Five had been released by Friday evening and the sixth was not expected to be admitted. Officials say none of the people were seriously injured. Three refused treatment at the scene.

Chapel Hill police say they arrested the suspect, Mohammed Reva Taheriazar, 23, of Chapel Hill, shortly after the incident. Several witnesses were able to give police the rented Jeep Cherokee’s license plate number.

Police said they would charge Taheriazar, a psychology major who graduated from UNC last semester, with several counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill.

Link to terrorism?

Sources say Taheriazar told police he was seeking retribution for the treatment of Muslims around the world, according to ABC News justice correspondent Pierre Thomas. Taheriazar apparently told police he tried to rent the biggest SUV he could find to use in the attack. + more
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=3958312
via LGF

Posted by: maz2 at March 3, 2006 9:38 PM

Oh my.. I think the real hypocracy are from some of the poster. Kate's been pretty clear about her support for publishing comics which offend others, but all of a sudden when it comes to offending Christianity, its a big deal. Yes this comic is just stupid, but if you want to make a point about freedom of speech then it seems more prudent to attack the religion of your neighbours rather than that going after muslims.

How dare they offend Christians and not muslims? Why should they offend either. I think the editor is probably pointing out the double standard we have in our society.

The only paper I have anyrespect for who published the Mophammed papers is the guys down in Jordan. They at least put their own personal safety at risk for reprinting them.

Posted by: Dan at March 3, 2006 9:47 PM

Dan,

Maybe in a few years you'll get a "clue". I hope on your quest you and yours make it.

Posted by: ural at March 3, 2006 10:09 PM

I have no problem with the rights of Sheaf to print or not to print but get some help in your graphics.

Posted by: ronrob at March 3, 2006 10:10 PM

Dan cannot yet differentiate between murderers and people that are merely religious. He suffers from moral relativism.
He cannot differentiate between that which has some redeeming value and that which does not.
Dan does not understand that it takes courage to bring enlightenment to the dark ages, but no courage at all to bring the dark ages that what is enlightened.
Have you even seen all the cartoons, Dan?

Posted by: Bushman at March 3, 2006 10:29 PM

i think that the first schism in the Christian church, between Rome and Byzatnium (Catholic and Orthodox) was over whether it was proper to make images of God. I may be wrong, but I know that there was an ancient schism in the church over this issue.
There were many centuries when Christians would kill over the slightest insult to their faith: those days (when this was mainstream) are over. Those days are not over for radical Islam. Repression of women and gays and "unbelievers" etc... is rampant. There is no freedom of speach etc...
The real hypocrisy is in ignoring these issues. The real hypocrasy is pretending that it's all the same. The real hyhpocrasy is showing "repect" for muslim sensibilities, to the point of being ridiculous, yet showing none for Christians or Jews. The real hypocrasy is in pretending this attack on Christians, on Jews, on capitalism, ont he Western world, is somehow brave or clever or has some redeeming value. This is nothing but a lie that this cartoon demeans all that see it. It is hateful. It is somehting you would expect to see in a U. bathroom stall, at best.
Murderers are not victims. The Danish cartoons lampoon suicide bombers, and mocks women repressers. They respect Mohammed. This cartoon respects nothing, debases evrything.

Posted by: Bushman at March 3, 2006 10:49 PM

Dan, "I think the editor is probably pointing out the double standard we have in our society."

Sorry I think your giving the editor of Sheaf to much credit. Typical of most student papers, they believe that gutless shock value is progressive/cutting edge.

Being an athiest I don't care what religion they insult.
What does bother me is blatant hypocracy.

Posted by: Chris in Manitoba at March 3, 2006 10:54 PM

Thanks for the traffic kate, but i noticed that the link seems to be down. If anyone would like to see the cartoon in question, they can stop on over to:

http://uncommontruths.blogspot.com/2006/03/another-campus-newspaper-features-anti.html

--Dante

Posted by: Dante at March 3, 2006 10:59 PM

to the editors of "the Sheaf"

To Muslims Jesus is a prophet. Thus you have insulted Muslims with your cartoon! Please apologise immediately.

By the way to avoid offending Muslims you must separate the sexes at your paper, and all women must be completely covered from head to toe. Failure to do so is an isult to Islam!

Posted by: observer at March 3, 2006 11:00 PM

As an alumnus of the U of S I regularily get a request for a donation.

I can harldy wait until the next request.

Can you say "piss off"

Horny Toad

Posted by: Horny Toad at March 3, 2006 11:04 PM

Dan, Kate has a link to the former editor of 'The Sheath's' resignation letter...worth reading in its entirety.

He resigned because the Muhammed cartoons were *NOT* published in their paper.

Christianity has been fair game to mock; he expected Islam to get used to the idea of being mocked as well.

But, in the end, his higher-ups succumbed to the fear of backlash and tensions with the admin of the university....

Another double standard, but not owned by those who dislike having Christianity alone trashed, otherwise the university and paper bosses would have put their foot down earlier.

Mocking Christianity will nicely take up the slack of leaving Muhammed alone I suppose, with what we have in this cartoon.

I go back to asking if the businesses, who support the paper, know what attention their advertising has bought them?

Christians are used to this kind of smear.

They can though, make a point by refusing to partake in any product associated with this paper.
~~~~~
In this paper's former editor's words:

http://waywardreporter.blogspot.com/2006/02/we-now-return-to-regularly-scheduled.html#links

"...The chill effect is alive and well even here in Saskatoon. We have decided to not publish The Cartoons because of fear of offending people and the backlash that might be thrust upon the Sheaf. The point was made that we have taken shots at jesus and christianity many times in the Sheaf with the justification that we live in secular society and satarization, indeed even mocking, of religion is accepted in Canada. Unless we’re dealing with Islam--then it’s blasphemous to certain people and we can’t offend them."


Posted by: Buffalo Bean at March 3, 2006 11:10 PM

Sorry about the link - it's fixed now, I think.

Posted by: Kate at March 3, 2006 11:20 PM

Totally revolting to anyone with any class, but especially Christians. I can see in the years to come a mjor clash between Islam and Christianity,

kind of ironic since U of S blows anyway. :)

Thanks Kate forkeeping us up to date.

Burke
Calgary

Posted by: Alberta Proud at March 4, 2006 12:11 AM

A solution:
The Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention of Thomas Friedman states that "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's."

Friedman has revised this as the Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention because shortly after his McDonald's theory was published, the NATO forces bombed Serbia.

Posted by: steve in bc at March 4, 2006 12:32 AM

Dan:
"How dare they offend Christians and not muslims?"

Good question, Dan. Care to ask that one to MSM? Don't expect any more than a strong putrid wind back as an answer. If you really want the answer, look at some of Theo Van Gogh's crime scene pics. Islam's sword bled Theo like a slaughtered pig for daring to offend.

Christians are a far more convenient target since they have little basic things like the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule that can't be interpreted as "liberally" as the Q'uran's intolerant text. Heck, an Iranian Imam has even justified using nukes to accomplish holy jihad!!!

If, Danny boy, you believe that christians have received fair and equal treatment of their beliefs over the years in "The Sheaf" compared to Islam then you've got "BLIND BIGOT" tatooed on your forehead and little grey matter behind it.

Posted by: Martin B. at March 4, 2006 12:49 AM

Peter MacKinnon's attempt at damage control:
(in an email sent to all members of the University of Saskatchewan community)

"I feel I must publicly communicate with our campus community on what I have just seen in the student newspaper.

In the February 23 edition of the Sheaf, the editors explained that they would not publish the controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. It is surprising that they did not exercise similar restraint in their decision to publish 'Capitalist Piglet' in the March 2 issue of the paper. This is a cartoon that is certain to cause distress to members of our community. It has divisive shock value only and does nothing to advance the understanding or debate for which universities should be distinguished.

The Sheaf should apologize to us all.

Peter MacKinnon
President "

Posted by: Mark at March 4, 2006 1:57 AM

Thank you Kate for helping to bring this to our attention

Thank you Mr. MacKinnon for a good first step

Editors and staff at the Sheaf...it is in your court now.

Posted by: Not Surprised at March 4, 2006 2:08 AM

Well I suppose if Christians adopted some extremist methodology we would have the offending cartoonist flogged with a cat of nine tails suitably ripping their flesh to look like the butcher block after a days work.

Next we would load him up with some suitable softwood timber, march him through the town square for bouts of derision and manadatory throwing of rotten kitchen droppings, asorted pebbles and stones.

The cartoonists hands will get special treatment; namely some rather oversize spikes driven mercilessly with bone crushing efficiency through the wrist. This should help the cartoonist in their freedom of expression.

For attempting to kick the Christians asses your feet also get a bone crushing spike through them to improve your freedom of walking.

We then hoist your dumb ass on a piece of timber; and gaze on you as you have searing pain from your feet rises to your cerebral cortex, due to the fact that if you don't push up every now and then you won't be able to breath. This should improve the cartoonists ability of freedom of thought, belief opinion and expression.

And for mercy we will have your legs broken at the end, like the two thieves, to make sure you are sent off to the hereafter suitably chastened by the experience.

If this is not vivid enough the cartoonist can have a free pass to Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ."

Alternately, lets impose some ancient English common law and do a William Wallace on him a la "Braveheart". How about hung, drawn, quartered and his head hoisted on petard in front of the town gate?

We would like to thank the cartoonists for this delightful exercise in verbal image butchery.

Perhaps, the cartoonist should get on his knees and thank God he is free to be an asshole. Further, he should keep praying, that I don't lose my faith, in which case I will become the the meanest son of a bitch this side of the valley of death.

Reminds me of a bumper sticker on a plumbers van which nearly caused me to drive off the road in laughter:

"Jesus is coming and boy is HE pissed off."

Oh hang it all, its Lent and we're supposed to repent and forgive others as they have trespassed against us.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at March 4, 2006 2:08 AM

Peter McKinnon:
"The Sheaf should apologize to us all."

Right Peter..."The Sheaf" should apologize to the Buddists, Hindu's, Scientologists, Atheists, Wickens, etc. because everyone was supposed to be offended enough to deserve one. Good PC call Peter.

How about re-writing what I presume is your first draft with "the most heartfelt sincere apology should be given to Christians first". You could even add a statement or two on the direction where "The Sheaf" should go to improve journalistic quality and the responsibility the current publishing staff should take (like falling on their own swords).

Peter...for the University's sake I really hope it was your first draft posted with these comments. If that was your proper response to the Brokeback Christ Toon, it misses the point. Fix the paper.

Posted by: Martin B. at March 4, 2006 2:35 AM

Jose,
"Well at least it's funnier than the Danish cartoons."

??????????????????????????????????????????

Maranatha

Posted by: Maranatha at March 4, 2006 2:43 AM

Hardly surprising considering that Christianity and anything remotely "white male" have been fair game on campus for about twenty years. Most campuses are hotbeds of communist-sympathizing, ultra-politically correct, anti-capitalist and anti-American extremism. And I'm not just talking about the professors.

Posted by: Howard Roark at March 4, 2006 10:21 AM

There've been a couple of comments that this cartoon will probably have offended Muslims, who regard Jesus as a prophet. Some time ago when the stage play Corpus Christi, the story of a gay Jesus and his gay disciples, was running in London, the Shari'ah Court of the UK issued a death fatwa against the playwright Terrence McNally:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/493436.stm

In contrast, here's a reaction to Corpus Christi by a Christian reviewer (note that it includes no threats of physical violence):
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9812/opinion/nuechterlein.html

Posted by: Phil L at March 4, 2006 10:38 AM

Clash of Whats? (Exposing Islam)
RealClearPolitics.com ^ | 3/4/2006 | David Warren

Posted on 03/04/2006 6:25:31 AM PST by Dark Skies

Sometimes I am brought up short by the clarity and courage with which someone else -- with more to lose than I have -- states a truth. I am a Catholic Christian, who often dismisses “secular humanists”. But I’m in awe of people like Canada’s Irshad Manji, the “Muslim refusenik”, who had the courage in her book The Trouble with Islam to directly confront the horrors done in Allah’s name -- in, as she put it, “Pick a country, any Muslim country.”

Another is Wafa Sultan, an Arab woman practising psychology, now living in the States. A self-professed “disbeliever in the supernatural”, she has posted essays on the Internet in Arabic, including research into the fate of women under various Islamic regimes. She has willingly and ably confronted Muslim fanatics on Arab TV, most recently on Feb. 21st, when she debated Dr Ibrahim Al-Khouli on Al-Jazeera. A transcript and video clips with English subtitles were made available this week by the Middle East Media Research Institute (“Memri”) -- an indispensable institution, based in Israel, that distributes hard information and accurate translations of documents from the Arab world. (It is useless to condemn it as “Zionist” -- everything Memri publishes is sourced and checkable.)

With great bravery, Dr Sultan confronts the “tu quoque” (“you too”) arguments of the apologists for Islamic terror -- refusing to let them change the subject from what they have done, said, and approved, to misty rhetoric against Zionists, Yankees, Imperialists, Crusaders. Boldly on Al-Jazeera, last week, she said what our Western politicians, media flaks, and academic celebrities won’t say, from cowardice in its many forms. Excerpt:

“The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. ... It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on the other. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.”

The sparkling TV host interrupts to ask if Dr Sultan insinuates the clash is, “between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims”. Dr Sultan replies, “Yes, that is what I mean.” +
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1589887/posts

Posted by: maz2 at March 4, 2006 10:46 AM

Poking a little fun at various gods here and there is OK.

The Sheaf failed in presenting a cartoon that is both not funny and a graphic disgrace.

Waste of time when it has no humour. TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at March 4, 2006 10:56 AM

This cartoon is a particularly egragious example of what Plato predicted about democracies 2400 years ago:

(See Republic 562b - 563e)
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(Socrates:) "And does greediness for what democracy defines as good also dissolve it?"
(Adeimantus:) "What do you say it defines that good to be?"
(S:) "Freedom," I said. "For surely in a city under a democracy you would that this is the finest thing it has, and that for this reason it is the only regime worth living in for anyone who is by nature free."
(A:) "Yes indeed," he said, "that's an often repeated phrase."
"Then," I said, "as I was going to say just now, does the insatiable desire of this and the neglect of the rest change this regime and prepare a need for tyranny? [Islam?]"
"How?" he said.
"I suppose that when a democratic city, once it's thirsted for freedom, gets bad winebearers as its leaders and gets more drunk than it should on this unmixed draught, then, unless the rulers are very gentle and provide a great deal of freedom [Liberals?], it punishes them, charging them with being polluted and oligarchs [capitalist pigs]."
"Yes," he said, "that's what they do."
"And it spatters with mud those who are obedient [esp. hardworking Christians], alleging that they are willing slave of the rulers and nothings," I said, "while it praises and honors - both in private and in public - the rulers who are like the ruled and the ruled who are like the rulers [communists]. Isn't it necessary in such a city that freedom spread to everything?"
"How could it be otherwise?"
"And, my friend," I said, "for it to filter down to the private houses and end up by anarchy's being planted inthe very beasts?"
"How do we mean that?" he said.
"That a father," I said, "habituates himself to be like his child and fear his sons, and a son habituates himself to be like his father and to have no shame before or fear of his parents - that's so he may be free; and metic is on an equal level with townsman and townsman with metic, and similarly with the foreigner [including the terrorist?].
"Yes," he said, "that's what happens."
"These and other small things of the following kind come to pass," I said, "As the teacher [professor] in such a situation is frightened of the pupils and fawns on them, so the students make light of their teachers, as well as of their attendants. And, generally, the young copy their elders and compete with them in speeches and deeds while the old come down to the level of the young; imitating the young, they are overflowing with facility and charm, and that's so they won't seem to be unpleasant and despotic."
...
"Then summing up all of these things together," I said, "do you notice how tender they make the citizens' soul, so that if someone proposes anything that smacks in the way of slavery, they are irrated and can't stand it? And they end up, as you well know, by paying no attention to the laws, written or unwritten, in order that they may avoid having any master at all."
"Of course, I know it," he said.
"Well, then, my friend, " I said, "this is the beginning, so fair and heady, from which tyranny in my opinion naturally grows."
----------

I would certainly encourage all to read the entire Republic to understand themselves and our age better, but failing that, books 8 and 9 are well worth the read on their own.

Posted by: Michael at March 4, 2006 11:02 AM

When I saw the "cartoon" I realized I was looking at child pornography. It is a piglet... a baby pig.

Posted by: truthsayer at March 4, 2006 11:09 AM

Certainly no Biblically literate Christian would republish such crap.

It's akin to being a hypocrite in the hopes of stamping out hypocrisy.

Romans 3:8, "And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say) Let us do evil, that good may come?..."

Posted by: ol hoss at March 4, 2006 11:23 AM

Something noteworthy for folks who donate, with good intention, to organizations such as the 'Organic Center of Canada'- cushioned already, I might add, by the federal and many provincial government departments.

The Organic Center then donate their funds to subsidize 'The Sheath'.

They even have a PayPal donation button for our convenience;)

Do they announce they will be forwarding your generous donation for yet another use, like subsidizing 'The Sheath' and this "Capitalist Piglet" cartoon?

Not where I could easily find it.

Now, is that Kosher, too?

http://www.oacc.info/FriendsAndPartners/of_donations.html

"Your $25 gift will be put to work funding much-needed research and education.You will be provided with a tax receipt."

~~~~
I hope the other contributing businesses will get a heads up today about how their money is being used.


Posted by: Buffalo Bean at March 4, 2006 11:43 AM

Sorry, Ol Hoss, but the prosecutor must present the evidence. If you want to see no evil, go be a hermit in the desert (or in the bush!).

Posted by: Bushman at March 4, 2006 11:51 AM

even though this punk really needs some speed bumps on his confused nihilist skull, is it really fair to beat up on an intellect that sill uses 60s slamg like "grove'?

Pathetic more than anything....The Wheatfield people's revolutionaries" striking a blow for ...uh what exactly is it we hate..oh ya anything our parents like....these kids should have their own comedy show ...slot it next to the trailer park boys...same audience who enjoy watching losers.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 4, 2006 11:54 AM

Sorry, Ol Hoss, but the prosecutor must present the evidence.

The evidence is in the original, not a duplication.

Would one duplicate hypocrisy to prove hypocrisy in others?

Posted by: ol hoss at March 4, 2006 12:01 PM

To eliminate any equivilancy arguements - that this is no different than the Cartoons printed first by the Danish- I propose the following. Run this EXACT cartoon again with the exception that we use the prophet Mohammed giving the blow job. Then we would have a terrific example of true equivilancy, and we could compare the responses of both Christians and Islamists after being exsposed to the same data.

Posted by: ward at March 4, 2006 12:04 PM

The Taliban [Students sect] and Jihad in general use divisive maneuvers from time to time, [ now it is the cartoon], in order to force persons to decide to step aside or commit to Jihad with new and stronger resolve.

It's called, *Breathing new life into the cause*.

The supply of cartoons at Muhammad*s expense feeds the current cause.

Their whole game is mind control, similar to Dr. Moon, Hare Krishna, and cult leaders like those of Waco and Jonestown.

Children have been programmed by rote and now as teenagers they are given AK47s to do the bidding of Emirs and Mullahs.

How many of these rote trained kids have any concept of freedom, much less democracy?

They do know how to use Ak47s and RPGs however.

The most basic of flyers should be available in the streets.

[ Jihad.] Everyone below the leaders are slaves. This is rule by rifle.

[ Democracy.] Everyone shares the wealth with a car and a house and the people are not slaves. Rifles and weapons are not required.

Keep it simple. TG


Posted by: TonyGuitar at March 4, 2006 12:07 PM

I don't think that the Sheaf should get away with printing this garbage: if not for this website, I would not have been aware of it, even though I contribute to the U of S.
BTW, I am redirecting my annual suport to St Thomas Moore College, which is the Catholic College located on the U of S campus. Rather then abandoning the U, I would suggest that others do the same!

Posted by: Bushman at March 4, 2006 12:08 PM

Ward - EXACTLY, but will any paper have the guts to do it?? Side by side even?

Posted by: Anne (happier in Ontario) at March 4, 2006 12:40 PM


Worked at the U of Windsor for quite a few years. Read their rag and it was mostly about sex, parties and of course the gays on campus. What I thought at that time, was most profs become profs because they can't make it in the outside world. I became convinced of my theory when a young male nephew with the personality of a dead mackeral graduated with a computer science degree and began his search for a job. Being unsuccessful he returned to school and got his masters. He now is working on his PHD. As I said, he could not make it on the outside so is planning on cloaking himself in the ivory tower where he feels safe. Most of us who have had the priviledge of higher learning leave as leftist but once in the real world we make an abrupt turn right. Those Profs have experienced nothing else.

Posted by: jypsy ontario at March 4, 2006 12:42 PM

Not sure if there are any other U of S students reading this, but I think that it would be fair to ask for our $6.10 back that we pay each year in Sheaf fees. Six dollars and ten cents times approximately 20000 students works out to a lot of cash. Also, $6.10 buys me a couple Tim's to get me through my week. Anyone know who collects that fee?

Posted by: Michael Stuber at March 4, 2006 1:50 PM

Does anyone know who "Marg & Y.PH?" are? Presumably students at U of S. Earth sciences maybe?

Regardless, it's nice to see such unfettered expressions get wider distribution. If more of these sorts of Leftist commentaries would be brought to the public's attention, perhaps more young people will stop taking at face-value the Left's noble sounding sentiments, and begin to better understand just how base the left's underlying instincts are, and how septic the results of their crude and un-self-aware motivations.

Standing on the suffering of others -- the poor, historic victims of racism, aboriginals -- in order to feel big is an inherently sick thing to do, yet the left floats such actions as evidence of moral superiority. Hopefully more people will start to see the dimmed-lids, knowing sneer of the collective Left for what it is. The inane and hateful "Capitalist Piglet" is just one tiny refresher course.

BTW Ward, 12:04 demolishes any equivalency arguments.

Posted by: EBD at March 4, 2006 2:16 PM

I can't wait to hear how the editors of The Sheaf will defend themselves.

How many people bet it will be the good old "Sorry, it just slipped through the cracks" line?

Posted by: Chris in Manitoba at March 4, 2006 3:00 PM

HA HA ... The Sheaf should apologies, but the reaction by deity praising nutballs is priceless. Keep up the good work Sheaf

Posted by: Stewe Art at March 4, 2006 3:16 PM

Ward said: "I propose the following. Run this EXACT cartoon again with the exception that we use the prophet Mohammed giving the blow job. Then we would have a terrific example..."

I like the idea, yeah, but I don't need to see that to know the differences between the two approaches. Everything Islamists have done over the past short period of time has given me all the evidence I need. Printing the cartoons as you suggest is really just piling on.
it really would drive a few people (and not just ISlamists) batty, wouldn't it?
Still ...

Posted by: Axeman at March 4, 2006 3:23 PM

The Sheaf should apologies, but the reaction by deity praising nutballs is priceless. Keep up the good work Sheaf

It certainly doesn't bother me what the ignorant do. It's expected that the ignorant will be ignorant.

What would be surprising is if they weren't.

No doubt there will be some whining when the consequences are felt.

Posted by: ol hoss at March 4, 2006 3:41 PM

HA HA ... The Sheaf should apologies, but the reaction by deity praising nutballs is priceless. Keep up the good work Sheaf

Ignorant men heaped insults upon Jesus, the Son of God, so it is no surprise that ignorant men should do the same to his followers today

When the end comes...and it won't be long now, we shall see who is laughing then.
2Pet 3:3-14

Maranatha
(a deity praising nutball)

Posted by: Maranatha at March 4, 2006 4:01 PM

Michael Stuber:
"Not sure if there are any other U of S students reading this, but I think that it would be fair to ask for our $6.10 back that we pay each year in Sheaf fees. Six dollars and ten cents times approximately 20000 students works out to a lot of cash. Also, $6.10 buys me a couple Tim's to get me through my week. Anyone know who collects that fee?"

I was thinking the exact same thing and would love to find out how to get the sheaf fee back. I was thinking of paying all of my tuition except for $6.10 from now on for the last three years of my studies. I'm not sure how to find out how to specifically not pay the sheaf fee though.

The sheaf is a piece of garbage. I have gone to the U of S for 6 years now and haven't read it since first year. They have crossed the line this time though. Pure trash meant to offend and nothing else.

Posted by: Adam at March 4, 2006 4:12 PM

Stewe Art (aka Ha Ha guy), if you enjoy offending religious people so much, may I suggest that you go to Iran or Saudi Arabia to do so, I guarantee that you'll get a reaction.

Posted by: Bushman at March 4, 2006 4:52 PM

Allen, re: "you people are asswipes, sorry kate, can i say that?"

Uhh, careful Allen. I would refrain from impugning the reputation of the Sheaf editors by associating them with anything useful and puposeful. :))

Posted by: Joe Canuck at March 4, 2006 5:51 PM

Standfast, Prime Minister Harper. Stand with our ally & friend: the USA. The appeasers/pacifists/socialists are baying/howling at the moon. +


Mr. Standfast - PART I CHAPTER ONE
Mr. Standfast. by John Buchan ... You will receive letters and messages some day and the style of our friends is apt to be reminiscent of John Bunyan . ...
www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/adventure/MrStandfast/Chap1.html - 48k - +

Canada almost alone in supporting Guantanamo
Globe and Mail ^ | March 4, 2006 | PAUL KORING

Posted on 03/04/2006 2:48:58 PM PST by proud_yank

Major Western allies push for closing U.S. gulag after damning UN report

PAUL KORING

From Saturday's Globe and Mail


UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan says close it. So does Louise Arbour, a former Canadian Supreme Court judge who heads the UN Human Rights Commission. The Bush administration's policy of holding detainees in secret and offshore prisons and shipping them to third countries has "an acutely corrosive effect on the global ban on torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment," she said.

In Ottawa, Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Marie-Christine Lilkoff said the government understands the need for Guantanamo. "Canada is sensitive to the need to ensure that persons who are a danger to international peace and security not be provided with the opportunity to resume a direct part in hostilities or re-engage in terrorist activity," she said in a written response to questions.

The government declined to provide a direct answer as to whether it wants the camp closed.

International human-rights organizations and international notables such South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who called the camp a "stain" on U.S. democracy, have said Guantanamo must be closed.

But neither the new Conservative government in Ottawa nor its previous Liberal governments seem troubled by the sprawling detainee camps at the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

Not only has there been no Canadian demand for it to close, but Canada's special-forces units in Afghanistan continue to hand terrorism suspects over to U.S. forces who ship at least some of them to Guantanamo.

"Canada's silence on Guantanamo is related to the fact that we are complicit in the whole process" of seizing and holding suspects "in a twilight zone," NDP defence spokesman Bill Blaikie said yesterday. "This is typical of the way both the Liberals and Conservatives have handled the whole issue of Guantanamo," instead of joining with other governments and calling for its closing, he added in an interview from Winnipeg. +
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1590100/posts

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