I wonder how much the tickets are?

Of course he needs to keep busy becuase he's not allowed to practice law.

On second thought I'm really glad that Lewinsky "blew" it. I'd hate to think there was a Willy jr. out there somewhere. DOH!!! Given the guy's habits there probably is.

I rember a friend in the states telling me that it was the most expensive blow job that they ever paid for.

Although Maher is not a nice man, I have to give him credit for coining the term "presidue" in reference to the...um...."evidence" left on Monica's blue dress.

Presidential legacy? Well, lets see here... there is;

The Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Also, the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

The Ronald W. Reagan Presidential Library and Museum in Simi Valley, California.

The George H. Bush Presidential Library and Museum in College Station, Texas.

The Slick Willy C. Adult Video & Comic Store in Little Rock, Arkansas.

I think you guys are forgetting he balanced the budget and had a 250 billion dollar surplus when he left office. He built up the military that helped attack Iraq and Afghanistan and was working the phone, reading a memo while getting his blowjob. That's more than Geroge W can say. I heared today he knew about Katrina along with Chertoff but he didn't really do anything for 4 days except fly over. I'm getting sick and tired of partisan hacks who judge people based on the party they are from. I'm a proud Stephen Harper Conservative and consider myself conservative on alot of issues but I won't support guys like Bush, Frist ot Tom DeLay just cause they're right wing if they're fucking up the country I'm living in right now. I'd rather support a guy who needs to get blown once in awhile to relieve stress from working too hard. Especially if you're married to a corpse like Hillary Clinton.

Better to let off steam chasing the ladies than to figure out schemes to enrich yourself by robbing the taxpayers of your country.

Too bad he wasn't in charge up in Canada for the last dozen years, instead of those Lieberal crooks. :)

Emilio, you're kidding, right? Gingrich's Congress forced Clinton into the spending cuts. Many procurement programs languished under Willy's watch, not to mention the experienced officers and NCO's who retired early out of frustration. Also, if you get your news about Katrina from Neil Mcdonald of MotherCorp you will fail any history course 20 years from now 'cause the facts are pretty much in Bush's favour there too.

Tickets to this non-event: CA $80.25 - CA $240.75

Handshakes are extra.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/29/94527.shtml?s=ic

Bill Clinton helped Dubai on ports deal
March 1 2006
Bill Clinton, former US president, advised top officials from Dubai two weeks ago on how to address growing US concerns over the acquisition of five US container terminals by DP World.
It came even as his wife, Senator Hillary Clinton, was leading efforts to derail the deal...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/60414c4c-a95e-11da-a64b-0000779e2340.html

Clinton, as Governor of Arkansas ran the prisons there, owned the blood collection agency there, and sold and made a profit on the bodies of dead Canadians, dead and dying Canadians because of the contaminated blood he sold. I cannot understand how anyone can pay a dime to see this person speak in Canada--he should be arrested and jailed instead.

That Beel Cleenton. What a guy!

When it comes to Monica, and all of my small-"l" liberal friends who defended Beel--like Emilio999--I always liked to ask them, "What if it was whatever-the-name-of-their-twentysomething-daughter? Immediately, they'd change the subject.

The main point is, beside his ungracious and ugly and selfish exploitation of a confused and adoring young woman: He lied under oath. As President of the United States he was the head (whoops) law enforcement officer in his country.

Why, oh why, can't people understand this fundamental and central point? He was a first-class f___-up (or should I say he blew it...), but oh so charming...

I read the lefty chicks in his audiences are transfixed with his animal magnatism .

If anyone is planning to attend look for the Lewinski wannabees.
If you're a lefty don't let the state troopers talk to your wife or daughter alone.

I've read some of the bloated rhetoric in wet Willie's wandering wank show (lecture circuit) and it comes off as a lost soul wandering purgatory looking to redeem himself for his sins in office....sort of trying to rewrite history for the rose colored glasses folks....pehaps he feels he can leave a "lasting legacy" by saturation lecuring of the nation's elk clubs about morality after the fact...maybe he can do a tag-team show with the Cretch....call it the legacy tour. ;-)

Hypothetical situation: George Bush just got a BJ from an intern in the White House.

Question: do all the feminazi's now stand up and say that its a private matter between two consenting adults and none of our business?

someone said: "I think you guys are forgetting he balanced the budget and had a 250 billion dollar surplus when he left office"

How can a nation with 8.2 TRILLION dollars of federal debt have a "surplus".....unless it's president lies about finance as easily as he lies to his wife.

According to the US nation debt clock Clinton increased the federal debt 1.6 trillion dollars in his terms.

Interesting to note that fellas like Kennedy, Trudeau and Clinton have great appeal to many intelligent educated women. Just goes to show that people don't always use the upper part of their brain to make their calls.

When Clinton was doing the Gulf States he damned the cartoons to please his paying audience.
Wonder what he will do declare to please the Saskatoons.

Emilio: Clintoon gutted the military; he did not build it up. Bush had to start the recovery from behind the power curve. Also like most liberals you think Bill was impeached for a BJ. Not true. He was impeached for perjury.

If the subject is Clinton's legacy AS a president, I would rate him as slightly better than average.
He was fiscally responsible (though congress helped) and a good consensus builder internationally (though admittedly too soft on terrorism). He was, in the end, a decent peacetime president. He never had a great crisis to test him, so we can't know how good he really was.

But if this is about Lewinsky...
then I think Bill Maher got it right.

I don't care what a leader does in his/her bedroom, unless it affects their performance as leader.

FDR, for example, kept a mistress in the Whitehouse on a permanent basis, and he was an outstanding president.

I highly doubt that Jimmy Carter ever cheated, but I'd take Clinton or FDR for president over him any day, if I had to pick a democrat.

Witnesses: AdScam Chretien/Martin/Rock et al: +

Krever Article/Toronto Sun
An estimated 250000 Canadians have hepatitis C, of whom perhaps 47000 were infected through transfusions of tainted blood. The disease, a debilitating ...
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Re: tainted blood
They're the human face of Canada's tainted blood tragedy; ... Health Minister Allan Rock acknowledged Wednesday that no report can ever repair the damage. ...
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TAINTED BLOOD FROM ARKANSAS . . . .KEYWORDS Clinton
The decades-old tainted blood scandal is considered one of the worst public ... "Question: Would you ever see him anywhere other than DC or Little Rock? ...
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The Clinton Scandals:

CLINTON & THE KILLER BLOOD: How tainted blood from prisons run by member of the Clinton machine poisoned Canadians and othes abroad. +
http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm

Is Clinton the biggest hypocrite on two feet or is Clinton a good example of what happens to you when you delude yourself into thinking that your charm inoculates you from sin?

Hmmm...sentenced to travel the speaking circuit where throngs of wide eyed neive people go hear you speak...

Now where did I hear that before?

Oh yeah, punishment for stealing millions of Canadian tax payer dollars for something called Adscam.

Seems the Canadian way of justice, maybe Clinton's is a closet Canadian Liberal?

I'll take Clinton over any Bush, any day unless we're talking about a different kind of bush.

I'd rather support a guy who needs to get blown once in awhile to relieve stress from working too hard.

I hear he's looking for more interns for "meaningful service".

http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/sideTracks/view.bg?articleid=128187

What's the source for the Helprin quote?

Any chance Clinton could be a witness at the Tainted Blood trial. Maybe we should sue him for wrongful deaths of Cdns. He never had a dem congress or senate to work with, so any achievements he made re surpluses etc were the result of Repulicans. He also had the MSM on his side, to cover up and distort all his foulups. Maybe Bush needs to get a mistress or willing intern to get the media on his side. What is it with Democratic Pres that they all have mistresses. Must be a hang over from days of being under the King. The press covered up JFK's affairs, and FDR's mistress and even the fact he couldn't walk because of his polio.

He was fiscally responsible (though congress helped) and a good consensus builder internationally (though admittedly too soft on terrorism). He was, in the end, a decent peacetime president. He never had a great crisis to test him, so we can't know how good he really was.

Clinton inherited Reagan's economic legacy. He was lucky.

If he had done something of substance, rather than his insipid bombing of an aspirin factory in the boondocks, after the first WTC bombing in '93 and taken all of the compelling evidence of escalating global terrorism seriously maybe 9/11 would have been avoidable.

The Sudan offered during his administration to hand over Bin Laden. A fact. He was too busy playing golf to accept the offer.

Clinton is a clown.

I hope the Dems run the Hildabeast in '08 so we have a context to publically re-examine the Clinton legacy after 9/11 again.

The disease of Dems/Libs in NA can never be examined enough.

Two things come to mind as I read this post.
One Clinton problably thought the cold war was over and wouldn't need to keep this ominously expensive force. The arms race did bankrupt Russia and was not exactly painless to American coffers. Maybe he was wrong but I don't think so. This new type of warfare needs new kinds of military materiel and responses. He made the trasition easier.

Two
Reading the list of Clinton sins looks quite modest, embarassingly so, next the behaviour of his successor. No wonder many Americans are longing for a return to a real presidency, warts and all, as opposed to an Imperial one. I still can believe they impeached a president for lying about oral sex under oath. Is there a husband who wouldnt do the same??? Look at the lies of Bush, they are legion and will become legendary.
In comparison Clinton is looking better all the time.

An article on Drudge today that sums up the vile hypocrisy of the Clintons:

Mr Clinton, who this week called the United Arab Emirates a “good ally to America”, advised Dubai’s leaders to propose a 45-day delay to allow for an intensive investigation of the acquisition, according to his spokesman.

Mr Clinton’s contact with Dubai on the issue underscores the relationship he has developed with the United Arab Emirates since leaving office. In 2002, he was paid $300,000 (€252,000) to address a summit in Dubai.

However, Mrs Clinton remains a leading voice against the deal, and this week proposed legislation to block it, arguing that the US could not afford to “surrender our port operations to foreign governments”.

The first WTC bombing was an attack equivalent to that of 2001. The two only differed in degree of "success". Had the truck been parked on a different level of the parking garage, the building would have fallen sideways into the streets of Manhattan, causing tens of thousands of deaths and destruction surpassing that of the 911 collapse.

That Clinton did not respond to this attack on American soil revealed that for all his purported intelligence, he did not have the capacity to understand the gravity of what had just happened.

He is a shallow, self-indulgent man whose conduct ventures into the territory of pathological lying.

That he placed his presidency in such jeopardy to indulge in oral sex with an intern less than half his age, in the oval office, is an indicator of a deeply flawed character and lack of impulse control.

Such people should not be anywhere near the nuclear button.

Let's see: Bill Clinton, at the age of 49, has an affair with a 22-year-old (just 6 years older than his won daughter)

Pierre Trudeau, at the age of 48, starts an affair with an 18-year-old. What is it with lefty women and their adulation of old womanizers? Any psychology experts know the connection?

Clinton problably thought the cold war was over

Probably thought? Probably? It was over. It was long over by the time Clinton left office 8 wasted years later. We had to wait until Rumsfeld was put in office to redesign our military structure for the post-Cold War world.

In comparison Clinton is looking better all the time.

While you sound dumber. And as amorally superficial as Clinton.

Ah, THIS discussion.
Clearly, people in some quarters have bought the left rhetoric so perfected during the impeachment proceedings. The Senate Democrats and some Republican senators did not have the backbone to do what was needed to be done: Completely impeach Clinton and remove him from office and THEN prosecute the man for treason and his wife along with him.
Everything he did while in power was either incompetent,for his own self agrandizement, or illegal. Sometimes all three.
He should have been completely removed from office and even today should be prosecuted on so many fronts. The blocking of the complete report of the Barrett Report highlights how the Clintons and their crew operate. They are dangerous people who have other masters to follow and those masters are not in the United States or in North America. Clinton and Chretien were great friends and golfed together. That should spell out a few things for people who still are under the influence of the 'charm' of Clinton.
He may seem charming but under that thin facade is a dangerous and evil agent working against our freedom and democracy. All the things we found going wrong in Canada under Chretien and Martin found their roots in the same mindset the Clintons and the American left operate under today. Their forces are distilled at the UN Headquarters and from there their tentacles squirm out to choke off any democratic precepts all in the name of 'peace' 'environmental concerns' or the myraid other vehicles used for the purpose of concentrating power while undermining the real champion of democracy, the US and Britain and Canada, Australia and others who get what we fight and where the enemies can be found.
Chretien's Connaught Labratories was the agent by which the tainted blood flowed to Canada. Can we not say that both Clinton and Chretien were enriched by this process?
Can we not say that PM Martin also of this same cabal did not attempt to enrich himself at the expense of the Canadian taxpayer by his overt collaboration with Clinton over the 'Environment' Chastising a US sitting President for what he himself had failed to accomplish?
Canada under the liberals cozied up to China just as Clinton while criticizing and undermining everything President Bush has done and does do to protect democracy, his people and our way of life.
There was a purpose in Clinton decimating the military as there was a purpose in Canada decimating her military. There is a reason Martin wants guns out of the hands of honest and decent taxpayers while the criminals get all they want anytime they want.
The FIRST step in a totalitarian society is to remove the power from the people to the state.
THAT is what that was all about.
Clinton Chretien and Martin are all cut from the same cloth as what is now going on at the UN.
President Bush gets it and that is why Bolton is at the UN.
We should wake up here and realize who our friends are and who our enemies are.
I am so tired of President Bush being vilified for doing what is right and Slick Willie being fawned over while ignoring a laundry list of crime and corruption that makes Chretien, Martin and that lot of liberals look like amateurs by comparison.

You are so phoney! Instead of being so outraged about what Clinton did in the oval office - why are you not calling your beloved Tory Premier Ralph Klein to task for assaulting a young 17 year old woman on the floor of the Alberta legislature yesterday?? Ralph Klein is a scum bucket, when he threw that booklet at that young woman Page, he was guilty of assault! If it hit her (and it did) then he also guilty of battery. Shame on you for not even mentioning this while you go on and on and on in your typical EXTREMIST right wing way about Clinton!!!

leftdog,

When trying to deflect criticism from the accused it's worthwhile to have the jury focus on someone else.
But it really should be someone much more villainous than your defendant. Perhaps Jack the Ripper or Percy Q Kidpester.

Deflecting to a culprit changed with an attempted paper cut will not do.

It's also important to present your case in a calm reassured manner.
If you foam at the mouth it puts the jury in mind of a mad dog.

D+
Please try again.

"He may seem charming but under that thin facade is a dangerous and evil agent working against our freedom and democracy. All the things we found going wrong in Canada under Chretien and Martin found their roots in the same mindset the Clintons and the American left operate under today."

Hmmm.

Somone is a bit paranoid.

I opposed the impeachment of clinton for the same reason I oppose "Impeach Bush!" nonsense spouted by those on the extreme left.

Impeachment should be limited to the most extreme cases. Where a president subverts the constitution or otherwise threatens democracy. Nixon or Andrew Johnson deserved impeachment.

likewise, if the president is a murderer or a despot in the real sense of the words, impeach him.

If he's just a bad president, vote for somone else.

Unjustified impeachment attempts are just the losers from the last election trying to overthrow the choice of the people.

PS
As a side note, I hope Hillary runs. McCain would mop the floor with her.

Professor - I agree to this extent, this thread on Clinton is here to nicely take the heat of old Tory waterbuffalo Ralph Klein. As for attempted papercut, ahhh Criminal Code of Canada would disagree with you. The mere throwing of the object at the young woman in anger constitutes assault. Hitting her constitutes battery. Tory premier Klein is worthy of both - and yet you folks are worried and concerned about a blow job that happened many years ago? Huh? the exreme right wing continues to baffle the average canadian citizen. Shame on you, for excusing Klein of his maddness, his insanity and his assault on a female.

"I'd rather support a guy who needs to get blown once in awhile to relieve stress from working too hard. Especially if you're married to a corpse like Hillary Clinton."

Bill's adultery was his wife's fault? I don't care for the woman, but you have to be out of your mind to blame the victim here.

Ahhhh, you just gotta love the lefties. I thought the thread was about Slick Willy coming to speak in Saskatchewan and just what kind of legacy he will leave behind (not necessarily a Monica joke). Instead, I'm told that it is only a smoke screen to deflect attention away from king Ralph. Such fertile imaginations these moonies, tossing a couple of papers down in disgust is now a criminal code event. I guess the Cretien incident where he throttled a spectator in the crowd was just saving the poor soul from falling by helping him up by the throat too?
And BTW: Ralphie is a closet Lib or a red tory so watch who you slag otherwise the Lieberano$ will be looking for you, gauchechien.

Source for the Helprin quote is here:

http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/out_of_wilderness.htm

Well said snowbunnie,
People like Gm and Texas Canuck, you should read snowbunnie's post again. My mom said the same type of paper rationalizations, by 'sensable people' of Hitler and Stalin type activities served those latter two well in their quest to make people helpless against the state. Mom has told me that the people of the free world did not want war with those two thugs so they downplayed the actions of the police states (Germany and USSR) themselves (without help from a left wing outfit like the MSM). People who refuse to be alarmist or outraged are the allies of brutes who wish to enslave the human race. Everything Snowbunnie has written, above, is true. Mom said people in England would not listin to Anthony Eden because he was too good looking. We are looking for straws when we attempt to defend the actions of people like Clinton, paule Martin and Cretian - they are far from the simpltons some people try to make them out to be.

Pardon me, but did you just compare defending Clinton to defending Hitler or Stalin?

I may not agree with (many) of clinton's policies, but to suggest that he is anywhere in the same league as the two greatest monsters in human history is absurd.

If Clinton ever DID try to act like a dictator, I would be in favor of impeaching him.

He was slippery, but he wasn't a thug.

Hilarious...the leftie's trying to deflect from Slick Willie coming to Saskatchewan by mentioning Ralphie throwing a report and hitting a page. Geography lessons, little lefties. Ralph is Premier of ALBERTA, which is a province to the WEST of Saskatchewan. Nice try at the straw-man though...lol
BTW..Slick comes to Edmonton March 13th. Be there to check out all the cool leftie chicks!!

GM, You were not around when Stalin was cuddly "Uncle Joe" or when Hitler was considered a harmless whacko running around bankrupt Germany. Hitler was a buffoon at one time. Abraham Lincon was a country lawyer - a hick from the sticks, William Wallace was a common farmer....Trudeau was a rich kid who flirted with totalitarian regimes (Castro, Hitler, Stalin, Mao..) and considered too left wing whacko to join the CCF in Canada....are you still 'outraged'?

I didn't say I was "outraged" did I?

We see a person's true face when they achieve power. Very true.

I judge Clinton by his record.

He was self-indulgent and self-promoting, but did he ever show himself to be a monster, or even a person worthy of impeachment?

I would say no. Nothing he did wrong is on the level of hitler or stalin, or even a Nixon, in my view.

If he is a thug, or a closet despot, he had all of the opportunity to act as such. He didn't.

Dubai's 'Boycott Israel' Sheik Funded Bill Clinton
NewsMax ^ | 3 March 2006 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 03/02/2006 5:46:31 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

Former President Bill Clinton has accepted at least $1.6 million from the United Arab Emirates, including $300,000 from a Dubai sheik who adamantly backs the country's controversial boycott of Israel.

On Jan. 17, 2002, Mr. Clinton was paid $300,000 to address the Science, Technology and Arts Royal Summit in Dubai at the invitation of Crown Prince and UAE Defense Minister Sheik Mohammad bin Rashid Al Maktoum.

Less than three months later, Sheik Mohammad urged the United Nations to approve the use of force against Israel's to halt what he called the Jewish state's "butchery" of Palestinians, according to London's Financial Times.

Mr. Clinton's benefactor called for then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to "stand trial before the International War Crimes Tribunal," where Sheik Mohammad said he would "have a prominent place in the list of world's killers, terrorists and criminals."

The Dubai sheik then reminded that "Arabs have a wide room for political, diplomatic and economic moves and have the right, at least, to revive the Arab economic boycott to Israel."

Mr. Clinton accepted another $300,000 from the Dubai regime for a speech in 2005. And his presidential library in Little Rock has collected seven-figure sums from several Arab governments participating in the anti-Israel boycott, including Dubai. +
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1588935/posts

Hey Jema54, I reread Snowbunny's comments and they had nothing to do with what I said. I actually agree with her. Personally, I wouldn't cross the street to hear Slick Willy or even his senator wife. What that has to do with moondog bringing up Uncle Ralph is beyond me.

BTW: your mama had some great advice.

Bill will be remembered for being at the happy end of the non arms length transaction.

Is it "leftdog" or MADDOG?

Klein threw the booklet in the "direction" of the page. It was impulsive and shows a certain immaturity, or arrogance, but certainly isn't assualt, attempted or otherwise. I'm from B.C. so not quite so familiar with Kelin but would this be the same Kelin who is premier of Alberta, the province that just had a 10 billion dollar surplus? The same province that just gave a $400 chequw to every man, woman and child? The same province that is the ONLY province in Canada with no sales tax?

I don't know if you know this or not but usually the government, and by default the premier, has a hand in creating provincial success ro failure.

In B.C., under the NDP for 10 years we became a have-not province. Thats like being on welfare where the rest of the country gives you money to help pay the bills. The same thing happened the previous time the NDP governed 30 years ago. Today B.C. under a Liberal government(more conservative that Liberal actually)B.C., has the hottest economy in the country, hell, in North America. And while the global price of commodities certainly has something to do with it without good government it just doesn't happen.

Don't beleive me. Then just ask Kate. Sask. has just as many natural resources as Alberta(perhaps more) and where are they. Oh, I forgot, NDP government.

Horny Toad

...but did he ever show himself to be a monster, or even a person worthy of impeachment?

Hello, moonbat. He fricking lied as an attorney and first law enforcer of the country, mind you, under oath. Hello, again!!!

You try it yourself and face the consequences.

Just what part of breaking the law do you not get?

Are you that logically and ethically impaired?

Hi Penny,

Please note: I didn't say Clinton was a "good" person. I agree that he was dishonest and slippery.

Yes, he broke the law (believe me, I know what perjury is).

But what he did was not worthy of impeachment.

Impeachment, should in my view, be limited to cases where the constitution of the country has been undermined.

I agree that what he did was immoral.
But impeachment requires more.

PS
Moonbat? (I'm not even a liberal!)
Cliches and personal insults are beneath us both, i hope.

a Klintoon apologists sez:"If the subject is Clinton's legacy AS a president, I would rate him as slightly better than average."

You have a strange concept of average. I suspect you were not concious through the Klinton regime.

For a so called peacetime Pres he has the worst record of militant civil atrocities against American citizens since the civil war...Waco, Ruby Ridge, WTC bombing and the cover up, OK city bombing and subsiquent cover up, the Gonzales armed intervention in a child custody battle between states. Political funding from Arkansas prostitution rings, drug running, and convict blood sales....what a better than average guy...NOT!

Well, if we want to start rating presidents, I would put the list as follows (20th-century only)

1. FDR (D)
2. TR (R)
3. Reagan (R)
4. Truman (D)
5. Ike (R)
6. Bush I (R)
7. Wilson (D)
8. Coolidge (R)
9. Clinton (D)
10. Nixon (R)
11. Ford (R)
12. LBJ (D)
13. Kennedy (D)
14. MckInley (R)
15. Taft (R)
16. Hoover (R)
17. Carter (D)
18. Harding (R)

On my list, Clinton ranks 9th of 18.

You've done a good job of listing Clinton's ethical issues (or in some cases, alledged ethical issues). These are his greatest failing as a president.

But character is not the sole determinant of a president's performance.
Nixon has serious ethical problems, but these are mitigated to some extent by his considerable foreign policy achievements. Carter and Hoover were both reputedly honest men but abject failures as presidents.

Clinton's sucesses were as a consensus builder abroad, his ability to work with a hostile congress, and his success in managing economic prosperity (though he inherited some of that from the Reagan legacy). During Clinton's tenure as president, personal wealth expanded greatly and crime dropped dramatically. (compare this to canada in the same period, for example).

His failings as a president were character and blindness to the threat of terror.

He was not "a good man", but he was a mediocre president. This is hardly unqualifed praise or a great legacy.

The leftist New Deal President in #1 position.

So many leftist thoughts from a supposed Libertarian.

FDR gets the top spot for his leadership during this century's greatest crisis, ww2.

He was second only to Churchill in that regard.

He was a great president, regardless of his economics.

who would you place at the top?

FDR, Teddy, and Reagan are the only real contenders.

The enemy within is more dangerous than the enemy without.

FDR brought the enemy within. Although he wasn't the first.

So who would you choose?
and why?

PS
I would argue that in FDR's time, "the enemy without" (Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan)was a greater danger. But we can leave that aside for now...

But impeachment requires more

No, it does not.

Clinton WAS impeached. His law license was suspended in Arkansas as well. End of story.

Removed from office is a separate issues - an option which congress did not exercise at the time. The Repulicans caved in. Dumb them.

Hi Penny,

I was making a normative statement.

I am aware of the result of the impeachment proceedings. I merely considered them to be unecessary. My reasons for believing this are outlined above.

As for removing Clinton from office, would you really be happy with Al Gore becoming President?

GM -

Didn't a number of women accuse Clinton of sexual assault? Broaddrick, Jones, Willey, and apparently a couple of women from his university days. Wasn't he also accused of this by a friend's wife/widow.?
He may not have been convicted of any of these charges but he showed no hesitation in lying about consensual sex (there was that "I did not inhale" thing as well), I doubt he'd willingly confess to an assault.
If he doesn't qualify as a thug to you I wonder what the hell it takes.

GM-

Gotta agree with you on that Gore thing though!

I've read that Gore's instability was the reason there wasn't a harder push to remove him from office.

Mark Helpern represents in his overlong paragraph the almost total frustration experienced by the Conservatives over this man. They investigated him continually without letup throughout his eight years. They grabbed at any and all straws. They even went back to prepresidential years to see what they could dig up. They left no stone unturned. In the end after spending 60million tax dollars all they got was lying about sex under oath. Is there a man, never mind a president, who would admit to that without lying first? Don't forget Clinton was persued like a rock star by the ladies. Many women find men with overwhelming alpha maleness irressistable. How many men,rock stars included, could resist that temptation year in and year out without giving in to lust.
I think Clinton did amazingly well considering the relentless Conservative attacks and endless investigations that, in the end, sucked the life out of his presidency many times more than Monica ever did.

Steve d-
I don't know, I normally admit to having sex & don't feel compelled to lie about.

The man lied under oath, he broke his marriage vows (probably too many times to count), he recieved sexual favors while in the workplace (something that would likely result in being fired for someone lower on the totem pole). If these things don't speak to the man's character, what does?

In a very loose sense you're right when you claim his "sins are small", those you refer to & if you want to be generous with him. If he can't control his character on the "small sins" and lies about them, what makes you think he'd be better equipped to deal with the "big sins"? He first proved himself to be a liar to me with that "I did not inhale" thing, even if I supported his policies he would have lost me on that one. He was no leader, other than to those who think the best quality in a leader is the ability to quickly ingratiate themselves with people.

Apparently Clinton was quite upset when he wasn't asked to speak at President Reagan's funeral proceedings; President Reagan wouldn't remove his jacket while working in the Oval Office such was his regard for the institution, Clinton used it like it was a VIP room at Scores, it's no wonder he wasn't asked to speak.

Kevin
Reagan had so much respect for the presidency he allowed Ollie North to run an illegal covert operation, against the explicit instruction of Congress, out of the White House. Supporting death squads in Central America.
I would rather have someone lie about sex and smoking weed than running secret death squads. But hey, that's just me. Apparently, the majority of Americans agreed with me at the time because Clinton's poll numbers never went below about 56%. A number Bush will never see again even though he is true blue to his wife. Both Clinton and Bush are "charmers" so why did the people turn on Bush and not on Clinton? I have to assume that Clinton was seen to be doing a better job as president than Bush. The moral my be that the American people would like a perfect president. However, if he can't be perfect they would prefer his imperfections be in his private life rather than his public life.

Sorry for putting you and Gm in the same kettle Texas Canuck. I thought you were making fun of Snowbunnie's well written summation of willy clinton, paule and the Cretian. I am sorry for even thinking that! I have read many of your 'posts' and I should have known better.