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February 9, 2006

CTV: Reloscam Story On

Saw a promo at supper news - the Reloscam story is finally making it to air on the CTV National Whistleblower segment this evening.

Read the background at Conservative Life from Jan.1, 2006.

Update - read the comments for more Having watched this, my respect for Kathy Tomlinson just fell a notch. As Craig Smith points out - this story was in the can for 4 weeks , With the potential to be as big or bigger than Sponsorship, CTV instead chose to hold it during the election. Why?

That means there plenty of time to corner the Public Works minister of the day, Scott Brison. Yet, his name was never mentioned in the piece. Instead, CTV showed footage of the new PW minister walking through a lobby and told us officials hadn't briefed him yet.

CTV's Online version.


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Well it's about bloody time! Hopefully it will give the talking heads something to discuss other than the "shoddy" job the PMO is doing with press releases & interviews & the like. Rosemary Thompson was upset because Emerson cancelled a conference call having got stuck in traffic (like the man doesn't have a cell phone? which the media didn't think to ask).

Do they really think he's going to lay his head on the chopping block for them? I'd tell them to take a flying leap.

Posted by: Candace at February 9, 2006 8:27 PM

Remember the comments last year that Adscam was just the tip of the iceberg? Seems to be true.
Watched the Fifth Estate last night. It was all about the Mulroney/ Airbus Scandal, from 1991. Are these guys a bit behind the times?
Bloggers continue to make much of the MSM irrelevant.

Posted by: dmorris at February 9, 2006 8:34 PM

Let's not get too excited till we see how the story is presented.

Posted by: MolarMauler at February 9, 2006 8:44 PM

IM' glad we at least get to hear about it...even if the news is old ...we couldn't have "Ginger" Oliver breaking this scandal while his party was in an election campaign. ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 9, 2006 8:55 PM

The media are really upset that the Conservatives don't have a bunch of spin doctors out there manipulating the messages for them.

Couldn't believe the sad faces on Fife & the rest about the fact that they are not getting flacks out there spinning tales and making up the song sheets that verybody was supposed to sing from.

Thank God - finally!!!! Government is no longer a side show - it is going to be run like a damned business instead of a popularity contest skrew you in the media zoo.

Posted by: maria at February 9, 2006 8:58 PM

This was like a showdown at the OK Corral - a staring contest so to speak and guess what - PMSH won!! Finally they are onto something else - not that they don't have enough dirty scandals to investigate! Lets hope this is the end of it.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at February 9, 2006 9:02 PM

It's a new era, MSM do not have their Lib sources to feed them their stories, and they are pissed, how dare the Conservatives think about running the country before giving the MSM a heads up.
Here's more

Posted by: Platty at February 9, 2006 9:30 PM

looks good on the MSM, now they have to get to reporting instead of spinning. if it keeps up like this the press galley is going to be kind of empty. keep them guessing pmsh. lol

Posted by: spike at February 9, 2006 9:41 PM

Great to see the story on, but with three weeks of sports and hockey to tie us over, this is about as far as it gets. Meanwhile, another day of Emerson getting raked over the coals and all will be well in the world, it would seem to the MSM.

Posted by: eastern capitalist at February 9, 2006 10:26 PM

Notice how they used the story against the Conservatives by asking the new minister. This means that they purposefully waited so that they could try to throw this on the new government.

Posted by: ferrethouse at February 9, 2006 10:37 PM

Michael Fortier- Honorabe Minister of Digging up dirt about the Liberals

Posted by: Dan McKenzie at February 9, 2006 10:57 PM

"We TRIED to ask the new Minister of Public Works but he hasn't been briefed enough yet."

Gee, four days on the job & he doesn't have everything completely read, absorbed & analysed? Go figure.

Posted by: Candace at February 9, 2006 11:25 PM

I for one would like to know why this is just coming out now. Someone sure has a hold over the MSM - I find it interesting how Lloyd and Cathy made it seem like they just found this out and also how they put it out during the smear campaign going on right now around the Conservatives.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at February 9, 2006 11:28 PM

Not one mention on the segment about the Liberal government who oversaw this program for years. They should be asking Scott Brison about this, not the new minister. Duh!

Posted by: Soccermom at February 9, 2006 11:29 PM

Names, fraud charges and recover the money. Liberal theft and corruption cannot go unpunished. Diplomatic pressure should be put on those off-shore countries that are sheltering the stolen millions of Canadian taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: Repoman at February 9, 2006 11:31 PM

The CTV whistle-blower story on the Reloscam scandal - the scandal being that this particular scandal was known about prior to the election and like Dingwall was hushed up. What is going on that scandals that the Liberals pull can be scraped under the carpet but the Conservatives do two cabinet appointments and it becomes the scandal everyone is talking about.

I truly wonder about the mentality of the MSM, the blog hosts and to some extent we bloggers that we can - for four days - do nothing but talk about the good, the bad and the ugly of the Conservative Cabinet picks while millions of our dollars have been scammed by liberal appointees and civil servants.

I for one am sick of this - I don't know about all of you but I work to damn hard for my money and I have NEVER been able to go to anything close to those Relocscam destinations

- I would challenge all of you to send e-mails to reporters, publishers, media outlets whom ever expressing your disgust with how the media have conducted themselves regarding this past few weeks and the scandals they should be reporting on rather than screaming and hollering and making up scandals where there are none!!!

Perhaps someone, somewhere has a listing of e-mail addresses of the pertinent MSM.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at February 9, 2006 11:41 PM

Alberta Girl,

I agree and have sent my note to CTV news and Ms Kathy.

It is no accident that Andre Arthur was elected to Parliament. The powers that be, are corrupt and incompetent. The CRTC is also a great place to start logging complaints.

Perhaps a few of us should band together and oppose the license renewals for CBC, CTV, Rogers and Global.

Posted by: anselm at February 9, 2006 11:49 PM

Alberta Girl -- that's putting a nice perspective on it. I fealt betrayed there for a bit, but you know compared to what transpired previously, it is "nuthin". So, let us not forget the previous administration and the slime balls that they were/are. I would love to see a whole whack of them sharing prison cells with someone named bubba, but we all know that is not going to happen.

Posted by: morison at February 9, 2006 11:52 PM

Would anyone like to guess how this quietly goes away, while the appointments maintain their front page thrill?
Scott Brison is too busy smearing his former party to answer any questions about his tenure in that Ministry - besides a la J. Chretien - "so what if a few million went missing here and there?"
On Global tonight, Ian Waddell (NDP Vancouver-Kingsway) was quoting member of parliament conduct rules, stating that there are sanctions to be had against members who "cross the floor to accept a cabinet position", and that they should be enforced. Where was he when Brison and Stronach did it? Not screaming for sanctions, that's for sure. If you are going to smear someone, smear evenly.

Posted by: voter2006 at February 9, 2006 11:54 PM

I wondered what hapened to this one. I asked around on a couple of blogs (including this one) a while back and got no response. I actually thought I was dreaming or drunk or something when I read it originally. Glad to see it finally come to the fore.

Posted by: Brian M. at February 9, 2006 11:54 PM

Brian - I posted a link to Craig's post on this blog at the time, as did many others.

Posted by: Kate at February 10, 2006 12:31 AM

Brian, if you read the comments at Craig's site, CTV had the info before Christmas, and the story was scheduled to air in early January but got "bumped" - keep in mind that, was it the President? some senior exec at Bell Globemedia was the Campaign Chair for the Liberals for Ontario. Gee. I wonder why the story was bumped? Apparently Tomlinson caught some crap for the Income Trust story - she was off the air for quite a while after that one.

I like the idea of fighting their renewals! too funny.

Oh, and Garth Turner is a milquetoast. Sounds like PMSH read him the "united we stand, divided we fall" speech and then the idiot blogged about it. I've seen career limiting moves in my life but that really takes the cake. Do you think there's a reason Myron Thompson isn't either a minisiter or a parliamentary secretary? Do you think there's a reason that Kenney & Moore & others had great lines that said nothing when asked about Emerson crossing the floor?

Well, duh.

Posted by: Candace at February 10, 2006 12:40 AM

Wow...
what a totally unimpressive piece of... investigative journalism.

It's like they just didn't care.
Or else they reworked it this morning to get back at the Conservatives for not pandering to them.

I hope Fortier finds out the true story. I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing that got relocated was our money. I'd wager no one ever sat in those rooms and a significant portion of that money found it's way back from those resorts to someone somehow.

Posted by: MolarMauler at February 10, 2006 1:03 AM

Perhaps someone, somewhere has a listing of e-mail addresses of the pertinent MSM

This is the only one that matters...

whistleblower@ctv.ca

I can't believe how she tagged the new PW minister with this. BS. She tried to get answers from the new PW minister but he said he hadn't been briefed yet. NO F'IN KIDDING!!! Why didn't you try to contact Scott Brison four weeks ago when you originally got a hold of this story. URG.

Posted by: ferrethouse at February 10, 2006 1:11 AM

Funny, the reloscam would finally surface now. Just when everyone has lost focus on good governance in this country and have their sights on party defector Emmerson. Isn't it sad that the same people that said that the MP's first responsibility is to the people and not the party are now whining about his allegiance to his constiuents?

Still pretty sneaky, Reloscam showing up now and not during the election as it should have. Spin spin spin.

Posted by: the bear at February 10, 2006 1:37 AM

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM/Register.asp?lang=E

CRTC Complaints and enquiries form... In case someone feels the need to send a note to a regultory board in favor of freedom and such (so long as you agree with their opinion of freedom.)

Posted by: Barcs at February 10, 2006 2:14 AM

I know Postal workers who go to Cuba for vactations on our tax dollars. The MSM should investigate that next. Those rooms were used MolarMauler, I have no doubts about that. Why do you think Fed 'govees' Love the Liberals?? No one really loves paper shuffling but we all like holidays, bonus's, holidays, and big paychecks. The MSM are Liberal government employees and they might be working more and living on less in the forseeable future (unless they get a better job - as if hacks like those could get other 'work') - the whiners are howling and it's going to reach to a high pitched ear drum shatterer in the weeks to come; the cayohotee( spelled incorrectly) revenge!!! hah.

Posted by: Jema54 at February 10, 2006 2:23 AM

does the deep well of liberal corruption ever hit bottom?

Posted by: ntnrs at February 10, 2006 4:05 AM

So much for CTV media neutrality, this info was available BEFORE the election but apparently CTV chose to sit on it until AFTER the election.

http://www.conservativelife.com/blog/index.php/canada/2006/01/17/relocation_services_ii_dirty_details_rev

More evidence of media bias.

Posted by: charles at February 10, 2006 8:55 AM

Did you notice at the end of her report she stated that public works is going to be more diligent from now on. WOW that makes me feel alot better!

Posted by: bryan at February 10, 2006 9:20 AM

Pretty much a fluff piece. Seemed to smear the Conservatives more than anything else. No mention of the previous regime and put it square in the lap of Fortier. Imagine, him not being fully briefed within four days.
enough

Posted by: enough at February 10, 2006 9:44 AM

If Fortier is asked again about this, which I hope he is, his response should be the following:

Having just received this position I have no knowledge of wrong doing but will definitely be looking into it. I do know that CTV was aware of all this in December and that you did not take the opportunity to question Mr. Brison regarding this matter. Maybe you should at least get some comments from him, he may be in possession of more details and is certainly more familiar with how this program worked than I am - YET.

That would expose the CTV for sitting on it AND clearly demonstrate who was supposed to be in charge and watching over this mess. Hell, Fortier should run to Global TV to make this statement, make sure that the dig to CTV is aired! This would also show that he is taking the allegations seriously and already working for Canadians.

Posted by: Anne (happier in Ontario) at February 10, 2006 9:54 AM

PM Harper should be instructing Fortier to nail this one to the wall, It would show no nonsense, a parl. comm. should be formed & any abuse found YOUR FIRED simple as that. As for the media, face it the liberals are old news to them now. they are out for one thing only now, to trash & bash PM Harper every chance they get.

Posted by: bryan at February 10, 2006 9:58 AM

bryan, I agree with the firing part but we all know that is easier said than done these days! Hell, if any of the abusers are union you can bet that kicking them out would take years and in the meantime they would be promoted.

Posted by: Anne (happier in Ontario) at February 10, 2006 10:08 AM

Anne: Ya your right, I forgot about the all powerfull union's. Just look at what is going to happen here in Ontario thanks to Mcguinty(90% vote in favor of strike action). BTW on another note I see ctv.ca has got Garth Turner on there now, way to go there Garth liberals will love those comments, Remember the old saying Garth "loose lips sink ship's" you dumbass shit. Iam really sure PM Harper & yourself had a cordiall conversation, then again I remember when you were in there before, you still have not learned to keep your mouth shut or should we just start calling you Carolyn from now on.

Posted by: bryan at February 10, 2006 10:29 AM

Yeah...did CTV describe it as "Breaking News" did they take credit for "Discoverig" it?

Posted by: PGP at February 10, 2006 10:53 AM

I sent this to CTV……..

To: whistleblower@ctv.ca
Subject Line: Nice job of sitting on that story for 6 weeks

Memo:
Remember…Scott Brison? Minister of Public works for the LIBERALS under who this was going on?

You credibility is rapidly approaching zero!
PGP in WPG

Posted by: PGP at February 10, 2006 11:03 AM

The report seemed to imply that there was no way of finding out the names of the "holiday goers" but surely they had to register at the hotels and in some countries they would need to leave/register their passports at the hotels.The report was also lame in that it did not mention any of the other countries.

Posted by: ian at February 10, 2006 11:44 AM

I went in & watched it again, real nice spin at the end of the report "weev'e been trying to ask the minister" talk about making it look like the conservatives are hiding from this. I then emailed whistleblower 1) why did you make it look like this is the new Minister's fault like he was in hiding & showing file tape, him going into get sworn in Also why did you not also question the former minister in this report.
2) why was this report stalled untill after the election
3) I will put money on it that you do not reply?

Posted by: bryan at February 10, 2006 12:11 PM

still no word on CBCpravda ,

billions and billions squandered , pravda is part of the problem so they cant point fingers.

Posted by: cal2 at February 10, 2006 12:13 PM

Looked at Taxpayer.ca nothing on it at all, I guess 2billion of misused taxpayer funds is chump change now. Has anyone ever sat down & totaled up the mispent funds over just the past few years under liberal watch, or is it that they don't make a calculator that will go that high.

Posted by: bryan at February 10, 2006 12:28 PM

I emailed the Whistleblower.ca to call them on this and this is part of the reply I received from Kathy Tomlinson:

"I just thought you should know CTV did not "bump" this story at any time, but simply decided to air it now.

Much of the information on various blogs about this is incorrect and I appreciate you contacting us directly.

CTV believes civil servant spending is an ongoing issue, that can and should be reported on no matter which party is in government. We tried to ask the current minister about this, simply because he is now the one with the power to act. Scott Brison no longer has that job."

What a cop-out!!

Posted by: Charley at February 10, 2006 12:48 PM

Blogs have been accused of being echo chambers. Just a bunch of like mined people sitting around and agreeing with each other.
But it you look at the letters section of MSM they are overwhelmingly in agreement with "conventional wisdom".

Maybe MSM is just an echo chamber now.

People who have tired of the load of tripe that they serve have stopped buying, which leaves only those that are still drinking the Treaudopian Kool-Aid, to buy or watch.

Even if those letters are not representative and have been chosen by the editor that just means that they are not Newspapers but Propaganda sheets.

Posted by: Cal at February 10, 2006 12:57 PM

Hang on to your hats kids, there's so much more to come. Just wait until we get the Auditor Generals report on the Gun Registry. That'll be followed by audits of the CBC, Via Rail, Canada Post and the, so called,Nine Billion Dollar Private Foundations.

Liberals

In Canada

Being Convicted

And Sent To Jail

In Canada

We're Not Making This Up.


Posted by: Bruce Randall at February 10, 2006 1:26 PM

I sent an email too, I did not receive a reply, didn't expect one anyways. Thanks for letting us know what she said, pretty much confirms for all of us where she is coming from.

Bruce, I sincerly hope that you are right. My wish is that Harper will play it the same way he did the first three weeks of the campaign with policy: a scandal a day dished out about the liberals for three solid weeks! Hey, he could do it every day for years with what they are hiding but he does have to make time to govern too, right?

Posted by: Anne (happier in Ontario) at February 10, 2006 1:43 PM

CTV believes civil servant spending is an ongoing issue, that can and should be reported on no matter which party is in government.

So, why did wait until the gov't. changed? Thirteen years not enough time to make a report?

Posted by: ol hoss at February 10, 2006 1:50 PM

CTV Tass reporting on Turncoat Emerson.
Did I miss the same language when Scooter Brison or Paris Stonach crossed the floor.???

Posted by: cal2 at February 10, 2006 2:25 PM

The real story is that this money is coming from RELOCATION SERVICES . . not "hotel costs for staff while travelling on Gov't business".

CTV needs to dig and find out why money to relocate an governmnet employee, say Capt Smith from Camp Borden to Camp Gagetown, is being spent on hotels in resorts around the world.

Posted by: Fred at February 10, 2006 2:42 PM

Charley,
I, too, sent an email to CTV, several in fact. I even suggested that I smelled a cover up and Ms. T. emailed me back (in part) not to contact her again unless I had a story for her to follow up. I do, in fact, but be dammed if she'll get it. I guess freedom of speech is reserved for the press and not for the citizen here in Canada.

Posted by: rusty smith at February 10, 2006 2:45 PM

The blather from the left liberals/NDP/red tories yelling for "recall",& etc.,... blahblah is sheer, unmitigated nonsense/hypocrisy; they know it, also.

The Reform party platform proposed such policies in 1993. The liberals & others poohpooed/denigrated this type of reform; their principal attack was that this was anti-democratic drivel from Alberta rednecks who wanted to destroy Canada.

Today, the liberal/left is using "recall" Emerson/Fortier as a demagogic appeal to the crass ignorance of some. The wheel turns.

Long live Preston Manning.

Long live Prime Minister Stephen Harper. >>


Referendum, Initiative and Recall

If elected, a Reform Government will introduce legislation and constitutional proposals to create binding referendum, citizensitiative, and recall mechanisms at the federal level. >>>
http://www.totse.com/en/politics/political_documents/reformpt.html

Posted by: maz2 at February 10, 2006 2:57 PM

UPDATE: I just had an extended conversation with Kathy Tomlinson. I have every reason to believe her contention that their was no political motivation regarding the timing of the story or the content of the story.

She stated that when there is a change in government the new minister in charge is always the one approached about subject matter. She said she contacted Mr. Fortier dozens of times and simply wanted him to say something to the effect of "this is outrageous and we will get to the bottom of it". He completely ignored her. It would have been a great opportunity for Mr. Fortier to capitalize on this old scandal.

Anyway. I have the highest respect for Mrs. Tomlinson and don't doubt her sincerity for a second.

Posted by: ferrethouse at February 10, 2006 3:40 PM

Brison is too busy to talk to CTV; what with writing hypocritical articles in the National Post. He actually has the gall to criticize floor crossers. He also states cabinet ministers must answer questions in the House. This from the Gumby of Canadian politics. You know, the one who deflected questions addressed to the PM and others into smear-laced non-answers. This guy should keep quiet about floor crossers and spin meisters.

Posted by: Phil at February 10, 2006 3:45 PM

What amazes me is that Kathy Tomlinson, in finally reporting on this catalogue of abuses, never once uses the word "Liberal". Not once.

It's "Ottawa" and "Government" and a "Public Works Minister" who won't talk to CTV.

He's a Conservative, although she doesn't use that word when she refers to him.

Posted by: EBD at February 10, 2006 6:55 PM

i was so pissed off when i finally saw this story on the MSM. What a steeming pile this was. This story has been floating around in the blogosphere for what a month or more now?

I don't know how long these abuses have been taking place but, i know it hasn't all been in the last week! So why only seek Micheal Fortier for comment on this. Why not seek the former Liberal Public Works Minister who was responsible! Not once during the "reporting" of this story did i hear the word Liberal. If anything there seemed to be an inference that this was a new government problem. (showing Micheal Fortier dodging reporters, like its his fault)

The MSM media in this country has failed its veiwers once again. Must be hard in the media actually having to research ones own stories, i guess that why they keep stealing them from the blogs. I bet those wimps in the MSM must really miss the days when they could just sit in their offices and let the Liberals dictate todays news for them.

Posted by: Ryan at February 10, 2006 7:10 PM

Bruce -- ain't nobody going to jail, no how. Not with the judges we have right now.

Posted by: morison at February 10, 2006 10:51 PM

not to worry dear friends. CTVtass and CBCpravda do listen to the bloggers . was it not a blogger that took out the newsanchor on the leftist station in the USA.
only a matter of time before PeterPansbridge, Kneel MacDonald ( the bowing liberal toady) and Craig " the insolent "Oliver meet the same fate.
minimal entitlements if you are fired.

Posted by: cal2 at February 10, 2006 10:59 PM

"Brian - I posted a link to Craig's post on this blog at the time, as did many others."

Kate, yes you did. I was following up a week or two later and didn't get a response then. As usual you were on top of things at the outset. :-)

Thanks,
B.

Posted by: Brian M. at February 10, 2006 11:26 PM

If I was an average voter, too busy with life to much much attention to things, I'd get the impression that it was the Conservatives living it up. SHAME on you Kathy for such shoddy work! Your piece lacked objectivity and direction. Thankfully, I DON'T need to depend on CTV for intelligent news. If this is an example of airing "whistleblower" news, good luck getting more stories. It had all the impact of a popcorn fart in a windstorm!

Posted by: Snookie at February 11, 2006 12:30 PM

Good job on the breaking of the story Craig!! I know you took it as far as you could! :-)

Posted by: Snookie at February 11, 2006 12:32 PM

Hope CTV has a lot of mops and buckets when 'ole red fife's head finally explodes from all the knowledge that he has received in the last 2 months.Poor old dear,you can almost hear the meltdown happening in his noodle..

too bad enlightenment doesn't come in an easy to use applicator bottle as well....

Posted by: kursk at February 11, 2006 2:43 PM

Isn't election tampering illegal. Lets see, 1. Withholding info on Dingwalls payout, 2. Withholding story re relocation. What else was withheld, that would have produced a majority Conservative government. Today I heard on CBC that some 7 million in contracts (under Gigliano)sp are suspect from the Space Agency.
Funny how comments in the G&M, supporting Emerson and blasting Garth are not printed. Hasn't the MSM caught on yet that those posting and not published shows that the news is controlled and only one side is being told. Harper and his ministers should stay out of sight and off the TV as they will only be misquoted, put in a bad light. Love the idea of protesting license renewals, when do they come up. Every time we see or hear biased reports we should all file a complaint with the CRTC. Who appoints the heads of CBC and CRTC. Firing them and giving them severance would be the best thing for free and honest reporting in Canada. Did anyone really miss the CBC when it was on strike. I thought they learned their lesson. And, Canada deserves the Gold Medal for ugliest uniforms at the Games.

Posted by: maryT at February 11, 2006 5:57 PM

Have any of you ever dropped by a govt office or EI office to see the posting for Govt positions. Most of them are closed to anyone not already in the public service. Main requirement to apply is be earning a salary within a certain range, and then you can apply for a higher paying one. Main requirement is to fall into the salary range. Interviews are usually in a large city. So, a person from small town, or big city anywhere in Canada applies for a job in Ottawa, The Atlantic Province or elsewhere is accepted for an interview. Most of those applying can only manage to attend on a Thursday, with return on Sunday. Free weekend at our expense. Many look for postings that coincide with a family occassion in their home province. I know one man who the first day on the job applied for a higher position, got an interview and the job and immediately applied for another. In six months, without ever doing one days work he was head honcho in some dept in Ottawa. This should be stopped, if you don't take a job offered you should be banned from applying for 12 months. Also interesting that many officers in small towns or cities can only get doctors or dental appointments on a Thurs, in a distant city, again another free weekend at our expense. Ask them about it and they say it is in their contract. Ban all govt unions. If offered the job and you refuse, all expenses should be repaid to the govt, maybe by the union. And, once you take the job, follow the rules, Don't do today what you can postpone for a month, to appear busy. CYA at all times. Don't complain or your out.
As for whisleblower, lets all e-mail with a story on the scandal of the media withholding stories detremental to the liberals, the medias bias in supporting govt sleaze, the refusal of Lib defeated ministers to answer questions on scandal in their dept. And, we demand with a change of government that all reporters, journalists, anchors, talking heads be replaced with government friendly persons. If nothing else we should be able to overload their server. I notice Susan Murray is no longer on Politics with Don Newman. Does she still have a job.

Posted by: maryT at February 11, 2006 6:43 PM

It pretty sad when you try to keep up with the news only to find out that you need a required course"msm spin 101"Alot of us see it blatantly,what about our kids or people who just believe it to be true?I used to be one of them...but I'm recovered.

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