Islamic Congress looking for friends in government? from Blue Blogging Soapbox
Interesting approach for a group that supposedly want to open a "healthy dialogue" with the government. Here's a hint, you might want to tone down the rhetoric a tad and drop the "feared five" tag. [Read More]

Tracked on February 8, 2006 6:22 PM

Parody, please. >>>

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This Islamic Congress, did it get money from the former government, or donate to the Liberal Party? Or Both?

Mildly curious.

Or are they just afraid of fairly straight forward politicians that won't cower to every passing wind.

If Elmasry's pissed off, it must mean something good's goin' on.

What would I have to do to get my name on that list?

What Elmasry is likely worried about is that perhaps these folks might really infringe on the Right and Freedom to organize and fundraise for terrorist groups, or use Canada as a staging ground for future operations. Oh, no!

Slightly related ...

Those Mohammed cartoons were printed in Egyptian newspaper Al Fagr back in * October 2005. *

That's right, October.

Via LGF ---> http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boycott-egypt.html

Strangley, there was no co-ordinated outrage at that time.

Still, it's time to boycott all things Egyptian. So no more ... hmmmm, what the hell is it that those people produce?

Police state? Taking away rights and freedoms?

This is political hate speech from the Islamic Congress.

Where are the RCMP speech cops when you need them? lol

The Left has done it's work and taught them well.

Tell you what if this is a police state then why do those people at the muslim congress have the right to leave this country and go back to where they came from.In other words p##s off!!!!!

Aw, c'mon, do the parody!

PLEEEEEEEEASE?

Oh, and BTW, all criticisms of MY grammer and/or spelling are appreciated, but I suggest pointing out Kates typos is a little silly, since she writes better than all of us.

"The CIC nevertheless still hopes to soon open up a healthy dialogue with PM Stephen Harper's new cabinet -- especially with the group it calls the
"most feared five" -- Stockwell Day (Public Safety), Peter MacKay (Foreign Affairs), Lawrence Cannon (Transport), Vic Toews (Justice) and Monte Solberg (Citizenship and Immigration)."

The approach leaves something to be desired.

Lawrence Cannon? What did he ever say that was pro-Israel or anti-muslim? For frig's sake, he was a city councillor in Gatineau and President of the Public Transit Company. Maybe the fact that the STO's buses are painted Israeli blue scares them.

Idiocy...

C'mon folks, have some compassion. It's not easy these days being a blood-thirsty Islamist fascist. Everybody's trying to stop them. Can't we accept them for what they are? So they want all of us dead, what's the big deal? We can't just take their rights away or, gasp, elect a Conservative government. That would be wrong. Islamist terrorists should be free to plan our death, without the constraint of following the law and accepting the norms of our society. Otherwise, well Canada is just a police state, which ironically enough, is what Bin Laden and his ilk would do with Canada if they had the power.

The CIC nevertheless still hopes to soon open up a healthy dialogue with PMStephen Harper's new cabinet -- especially with the group it calls the"most feared five" -- Stockwell Day (Public Safety), Peter MacKay (ForeignAffairs), Lawrence Cannon (Transport), Vic Toews (Justice) and MonteSolberg (Citizenship and Immigration).

nothing like sticking the knife into the ribs as you reach to shake their hands....

For thos interested , Elmasry (CIC) is a tenured professor in electrical engineering at University of Waterloo.

... your tax dollars are in part funding this SOB.

The only reason Elmasry singled out those specific five is for the portfolio's they have just received. Obviously Day is not generally for the prohibition of freedom and rights, if you have read anything he has written. Same for the rest of the 'evil five'.

Elmasry knows if any further actions are taken against terrorist activities, they will definitly involve Public Safety, ForeignAffairs, Transport, Justice, and Citizenship and Immigration.

By targetting specific people, instead of issues, you can concentrate your anger towards a few tangible targets, which would also help spread your message. When will the left wake up.

It looks like Elmasry is using tactics from the left, but is now also learning from the right, Laying out his 'five point plan' early.

http://www.theinfozone.net/#cartoons

Canadian Student Paper in PEI publishes cartoons.

Are potatoes at ten paces next?

TIZ

Grammer freaks can piss off now.

The CIC sounds like they want the same freedoms, rights and priviledges they enjoyed in their home land? Oh wait .. they left there for our system so what's the problem? Even if the Hitlarian CPC gets a bit tougher on crime, it's still light years away from the kinds of repression in the Middle East. They have nothing to complain about other than a possible sharper focus on some their goings on. It's about protecting the public from dangerous people ... most Canadians are for that.

Fact: Muslims have proven themselves to be generally a violent people who place greater value on death than life. Opposite of our values.

They will never assimilate into Western culture. They made that clear. They want their own system of religion-based justice to operate in tandum with what's left of our idiotic bleeding-heart lawyer-based system. Theirs includes the subjugation of their women. How can this possibly work?

There hasn't been much in the way of rioting here over the cartoon thing, but when there are about a million more of them living here, that will change.

To quote the late great Frank Zappa. "who could imagine" Point being, it can and will happen here.

We can send McLelland out to calm them down. He seems to have all the understanding needed.

Monte Solberg doesn't scare me, he gives me hope.
MacKay scares me, he's a bit of a horny dolt.

When you consider the demographic that "news release" is focused at has limited understanding of western law and its institutions...and that any "understanding" they do have comes from the narrow manipulative clannish ethnic lobbies like the CIC...this is first rate propaganda copy...Heir Goebbels would be proud of this effort. Great inflamatory misdirection with good potential for inciting mob-think in the focal community.

We note the wording in this 5th columnist agitiation piece was carefully scripted to gain maximum fear and loathing in the target audience while escaping the wrath of the "hate laws", which I'm sure this lobby plays like a stradivarius.

These people are dangerous nutters and certainly function in a self imposed vacuum apart from mainstream Canada.

I personally I'm thankful that fanatic seditious agitators like Elmasry are closely watched by CSIS and the info is shared with the FBI and interpol.

Hmmm...the Islamic Congress being fearful of the Anti-Terrorism Act...sounds a little like a pedophile criticizing criminal provisions against having sex with kids, doesn't it? I thought these folks, being Canadian residents, would be supportive of laws intended to protect the public.

The University Of PEI Student Paper published the cartoons. The president of the university had them removed from the unversity grounds. said he didn't want to offend anyone."Congrats" to the students they have more balls than the MSM, not to mention the "president" censorshit. No leadership there or in any other University. To Bad, we are all in trouble

Duke "There hasn't been much in the way of rioting here over the cartoon thing, but when there are about a million more of them living here, that will change."

So what do you propose doing with a million law abiding citizens?

I keep comments of "when will the left wake up" but other than a bunch of griping about muslims I don't hear anything tangible being proposed here either. Like it or not, muslims are here to stay.

Britain, a country that knows how to deal with terrorism has just locked up Hamza. He's a radical cleric who has been distributing terrorist manuals. You may have seen him on the news, he's the guy with the hook hands.

Lock up the troublemakers and treat law abiding citizens like law abiding citizens.

Oh what fun! I get to dust off by blackshirt after all these years!

The East meets West. There is nothing similar to their or our understanding. I honestly feel we should go back to when immigrants had to wait 5 years to become citizens. We have to tighten up our policies on immigration and if this is what our Conservative government is about then I am sure they will win a majority next time. I also believe that if you become a Canadian citizen you should give up your citizenship of another country. I also hope never to see the day that a hyphenated Canadian becomes Prime Minister. Now, I can say these things because I am hyphenated. I was born in the States and have lived in Canada most of my life. I became a naturalized Canadian citizen in 1987 because my Dad was Canadian. I did not vote in this country until I made a decision to become Canadian. But, lo and behold I must be a native indian (without the perks), since I still am American and can vote there to. Just think of someone who was born in the ME becoming Prime Minister. He could really make a mess of this society. He gets to go back to his native land - with his pension.

My prayer is that our new government will take a good hard look at the way this country is headed. I hope it has the balls to change this politically correct, anything goes road we've been on for too long. Those hanging in Limbo awaiting deportation will be shuffled off pronto. And those with just a hint of extremism is sent packing. Course, if all goes wrong I will be welcomed back to my native land.

Dr Elmasry and the Islamic Congress are a truly evil bunch. And to claim that they only want to uphold the Charter is particularly conniving, if they had power then people would have no rights - just like it is in every brutally savage Islamic police state.

The Long War continues: >>

Cartoon Protesters Direct Anger at U.S. (Ah-ha! alert)
Yahoo! News ^ | February 8, 2006 | NOOR KHAN

Posted on 02/08/2006 5:00:24 PM PST by El Conservador

QALAT, Afghanistan - Police killed four people Wednesday as Afghans enraged over drawings of the Prophet Muhammad marched on a U.S. military base in a volatile southern province, directing their anger not against Europe but America.

The U.S. base was targeted because the United States "is the leader of Europe and the leading infidel in the world," said Sher Mohammed, a 40-year-old farmer who suffered a gunshot wound while taking part in the demonstration in the city of Qalat.

"They are all the enemy of Islam. They are occupiers in our country and must be driven out," Mohammed said.

Wednesday's violence began when hundreds of protesters tried to storm the U.S. base, said Ghulam Nabi Malakhail, a provincial police chief. When warning shots failed to deter them, police shot into the crowd, killing four and wounding 11, he said. >>>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1574765/posts

The Charter rights of dozens of Canadians have been entirely terminated because those Canadians were entirely terminated by Muslim terrorists. Two dozen in just the WTC attacks. That savage beast Dr. Elmasry could care less about those Canadian people and the Charter rights they once had - he should be ashamed of himself, along with many Muslims who pretend to be decent human beings.

Do you think, as a show of solidarity with the great multicultural values he hides behind, we will be seeing the good Doctor marching in the next Gay & Lesbian Parade in downtown Torronah >>

its amasing the way those folks keep coming up with ways for us to love them more every day and want to bring more of their fellows into canada . unbelievable

We have no lessons to take from Elmasry.

Whenever has he made a complete, unequivocal denunciation of Islamic terror? Of Islamic oppression of all sorts all over the world?

Who is he to go around saying such things? In Muslim nations, just for badmouthing the state like that, he'd be toast. I'd like to see him go to Iran and criticize Ahmadinejad. No way would he dare. But here in Canada, he can say all he wants and get away with it. And totally take it for granted. Shmuck.

BTW, new post at TCS, "Impure Islam":

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/02/impure-islam-moderate-muslim-speaks.html

Right on, jypsy ont. This is an attempt by Elmasry & co. to see how easy it is to intimidate the Conservative government. I doubt it will work, and I don't believe we'll see Mr. Harper dining with the Tamil Tigers, or any other terrorist group to garner a few votes.

I can't believe this idiot is a prof in my old faculty. I can't believe I went to the campus store last year and wasted $75.00 on a UW rugby shirt to fit my expanded body, that I can't wear now because of that moron.

I do hope the good Doctor is available to run for the leadership of the Liberal Paltry of Canada. After all, with one elected insider (Omar Algabra) and all of the city of Toronto as an electoral base, he would be a formidable challenger.

With any luck, the other Liberal cells in Montreal, Vancouver and Halifax could help broaden his support by including disenfranchised strategic voters.

Muslims, cartoons, killings
Moslem cartoons and other Christian cheeks

By Anthony Oluwatoyin
Wednesday, February 8, 2006

You know there's a failure to communicate when notorious Vancouver Sheik Younus Kathrada, who reportedly called Jews "brothers of the monkeys and the swine," becomes a central figure in left-lib media reports calling for calm in the ongoing Moslem cartoon controversy.

The cartoons, first printed in Danish newspapers, feature most controversially, Moslem founding Prophet Mohammed complete with time bomb in turban, warning suicide bombers that he is fresh out of virgins.

Kathrada's makeover from hatemonger to emissary of peace exposes rather than hides the ugly distance between Western traditions and the savage stranglehold of terror in the Moslem world. When Kathrada says there should be no violence in response to what Moslems consider a capital crime against their prophet, one could choke on one's own giggle behind the hand.

Beheadings on tape have been justified (oh, I mean "explained") in terms of attacks on Moslem terrorists, invasion of Moslem nations, mounting beauty pageants, and everything less than the cartoon slur of Mohammed, the very mention of whose name Moslems accompany with the benediction, "Peace be upon Him."

Yet we are to believe that there is now a call to embrace. The Trojans and their horse couldn't have perpetrated a finer fraud.

The streets as always have been less inclined to craft such correctness. From Damascus to Beirut, all across Europe, protest has respected only the exact limits of powers that faced it face-to-face. Embassies have been torched with the same ease with which boycotts were urged.

A defense of the actual cartoons would be about as modest a proposal as eating eight-day old babies every other day of the week. CNN would not even show the cartoons -- except in pixilated form. >>>
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/oluwatoyin020806.htm
via freerepublic.com

Europe is now Eurabia; Dhimmitude, submission to Islam.

Dispatch from the Eurabian Front: The End of Carnival
by Paul Belien, The Brussels Journal
Wednesday, February 8, 2006

The largest and most famous carnival celebration in Belgium is the one of the Flemish town of Aalst, 35 kms to the west of Brussels. Several groups parade through town in a pageant with floats, bands, and jesters, making fun of recent national and international events. The tradition goes back centuries, to mediaeval times. With carnival [mardi gras, as they say in Louisiana] approaching (28 February), the authorities are afraid that some groups might use the Danish cartoon crisis to dress up – God, or rather Allah, forbid – as the prophet Muhammad.

The carnival in Aalst is known for its disrespect of just about anything. This has never caused trouble in the past, though Aalst’s most popular group is a raucous, vulgar bunch of men dressed up as women, and calling themselves the “voil jeanetten” (“dirty fagots”). Mind you, the bawdiness and vulgarity is restricted to carnival, and these people are respectable, civilized, straight citizens throughout the rest of the year. Everyone, the participants and the public, know that the indecent and disrespectful behaviour is all in jest and until now nobody has ever taken offense.

Today, the organizers of the carnival are wondering whether to ask the participating groups – “dirty fagots” and others – not to refer to the Muhammad cartoons. Knowing the “voil jeanetten,” they are capable of wearing pig masks and pretending to be Muhammad. The parade organizers are meeting the police and the mayor this week, as they do not exactly know what policy to follow. “Prohibited certain things might have the opposite effect,” Nicole Ringoir, the president of the organizing committee, told a Flemish newspaper. “Perhaps we should trust that the carnival revellers know how far they can go.” In other words: count on the fact that even dirty fagots fear for their lives.

“We cannot censor the parade. During carnival the inhabitants of Aalst mock everything and everyone, including the Pope and the King,” Anny De Maght, the mayor of Aalst says. “I trust that our groups will know what limits to respect.” After last year’s parade the organizers received a protest letter from the Arab League, stating that the event had been “insulting and offensive to Muslims and their culture.” Some “dirty fagots,” as usual dressing up as women, instead of putting on corsets and bras, had put on burqas.

One thing is certain: in the coming age of Eurabia the mediaeval tradition of carnival will be abolished. I guess that is the price Europe will have to pay for “progress.”

Meanwhile, another price is being paid. The Flemish daily newspaper De Standaard reported today that the authorities in Antwerp have warned secondary schools not to discuss the cartoon riots as it is “not expedient” to do so. The authorities interfered last Friday when there were tensions in a number of schools about the cartoon affair. The Antwerp inner-city schools have high rates of immigrant Muslim children. >>>
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/brussels020806.htm
via freerepublic.com

-> cue the music
->> scrolling across a star clustered screen

"A short time ago, in a country far, far to the left...

It is a period of post-election turmoil. The evil Liberal Empire has suffered a defeat only to have Emperor Harper call upon his 'most feared five' to rein terror to those who do not embrace... reform!"

-> cut to Lord Solberg wearing a black cape and helmet, not unlike Dark Helmet of Spaceballs fame...

Okay, a bit over the top but please, these guys the "most feared five"??? give me a break, eh. Of all the things they are, honest, truthful, responsible, etc, the word fear is not in there.

BTW: I am punctuation (and spelin) challenged.

Hey looks like that pulled Liberal attack add about the military had some effect.

Ya i'm really scared of living a country that takes its domestic security somewhat seriosuly, now! Terribly sorry that the freedom to promote and perpitrate terrorism will be hindered.

If you ever meet someone who has a hard time finding a reason not to vote for the Liberals (something that happens all to often in this country) just point out some of the radical individuals and groups that support them. People need to ask themselves "if these people support the Liberals because they believe they will create a more favourable environment for the implentation of their ideas, maybe its becasue they will!"

thats scary!

Misery, MasryEl, loves his mug shots. Lots of cartoons of Mohamed here.

http://images.google.ca/images?q=mohamed+elmasry&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

Funny, Mohamed does not look like a Muslim.

Day, Toews, and Solberg won't be cowed. Who knows about Cannon. Potato Patch Petie has already been cowed, praising Canadian newspapers for not printing the Muhammad cartoons.

Don't be surprised if Denmark-style intimidation moves here. We are a main beachhead in the global movement, and a right-of-center government was not in the plans.

bubble bubble toil and trouble
beware the evil Monte
with cat and dog and humorous dialogue
from now on we call him Dante
bwahahahha

so, are only elected MP's eligible to be put on this list?
or... can we all join the party?

interesting footage on this nut @ http://jihadwatch.org/archives/003706.php

"Islam allows deception in war in order to attain victory... bla bla bla.. Islam is in Jihad... all the time"

hmmm, say anything to win... tell any lie to win?
sounds like the politicals we just voted out!

I have to say I'm a bit surprised that they percieve these "police-state politics", "began under the former Liberal regime". I was surprised to not see them liken Harper to Bush and more surprised that they didn't release such a view BEFORE the elction in an attempt to influence it.

Is this a call to jihad against Canadians, Liberal and Conservative?

Jose:

Britain knowing how to handle terrorism?
Surely you jest! Blair included radical muslims on that post 7/11 committee, and I just read that during the cartoon protest, which included clear hate speech placards, Blair had the police stand back; however they sprung into action and arrested two counter-protesters who had pics of Mohammed.

"Absolut Yeesh."
Available Today.

See Sheik Yassin in his wheelchair just before he was zapped by IDF missile(s).

Cartoon from Al-Miseererea>>>>>

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1574866/posts

How dare this wanna be terrorist (now trying to clothe himself in the robes of a civil rights activist) comment on an attempt to bring some sense to our severely flawed security, justice and immigration systems.

His fear of the "Most Feared Five" is that they will be successful in stemming the flow of extremists trying to make Canada their haven. If he is so fearful of the coming police state here, I suggest he return to whatever tolerant and freedom loving Islamic nation he came from.

As far as his belief that any Israeli over age 18 is a legitimate target for attack, I wonder what his reaction would be if every Muslim over 18 in Canada was required to register with the police and be put under surveillance as suspected terrorists.

Cheers

Gerry

I had to put up with Elmsary when I was at the University of Waterloo. He made me sick to my stomach.

Oh the things I could say about him, I hardly know where to start.

Suffice to say that Canadians should be very very leery of him and his ilk.

He has a hidden agenda.

I hope we all see that as the cartoons were published in Egypt in October and other places in September that this is obviously a clever little shit disturbance by Iran and Syria.

So personally I am not about to attack all Muslems and ailienate some very decent 9 to 5 muslem family people around here.

If I got all heated up and glared hate at them, they would know that I stupidly got sucked in by the orchestrated demonstrations and embassy burnings in the middle east.

Nah, I'll consider the local Muslems as what they are... Canadians.

You can lash out at all Muslems if it makes you feel better, but for every action there is a re-action.

I guess a return of 103 seats for the criminal Liberals instead of a more logical 50 seats just goes to prove how gulible we Canadians really are.

Don't attack my spelling. If I ever say anything smart, then I'll spellcheck it.

Attack my argument... please. TG

Just maybe all those terrorists on the deportation list are fearful that Monte will order the police to enforce it. Maybe those terrorists planning to bring their families here are afraid he will demand proof they are family. If they want westerners out of their lands, why can't we demand they get out of our land. The left is afraid that political correctness is going to go the way of the dodo bird and we will be able to say what we think, and the media will have to tell us the truth. Sure glad my grandkids have no intention of going to university in the east. How did that idiot get to be a professor. Makes me have second thought about recognizing immigrant qualifications and degrees etc. Still waiting for someone to list any work of art, literature, invention or medical advance from any muslim country. Also wonder, if the prophets face has never been shown how they know the cartoons depicted him. The muslim dane who took those to the ME should be put on trial for crimes against humanity. He didn't intend the violence to happen, and we are supposed to believe him, but not believe the paper had no intention to insult. I would boycott all muslim products but I don't think they have any, so will boycott any business that they own or work in. Has anyone noticed if the rioters are stopping five times a day to pray.

See here:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060207_reality_islam/

maryT--Arab countries contributed EVERYTHING to western culture before the Renaissance. The 'numbers' you use are an in-yr face example. Problem is, nothing culturally useful for 5 or 600 yrs.
Muslim "products" to boycott???? ROFL-how about starting and finishing with OIL!!!!

Good luck w THAT boycott, even if 90% is our own, we are dead without saudi crude.

Mary: Has anyone noticed if the rioters are stopping five times a day to pray.

Good question Mary. I doubt it. Apparently one is excused from praying when in the middle of rioting ,killing infidels, and denying freedom to others.

Does this mean that I have to ask them if they are eighteen years old, before I send them back to where they came from in a plastic bag with a zipper on it, (made by Dow Chemical)?

Pedro "Britain knowing how to handle terrorism?"

Ever heard of the IRA? Forgotten them already?

After 7/11 Londoners got back to business, not forgetting but getting on with their lives. American's still haven't overcome their fear of air travel, just ask any travel agent.

Why aren't these radical leaders and mullahs being prosecuted under our hate crime laws????

What the Hell makes them so damn special in Canada or other Western countries?

Charge them under the hate crime laws and put them in prison or deport them at once. Period.

"Good luck w THAT boycott, even if 90% is our own, we are dead without saudi crude."

And the Middle East returns to the Middle Ages without a market for their crude.

I wonder how loud the howls from the ME would be if we beheaded a couple of their self-righteous militant pieces of sh*t that hide behind "words of convenience"? I say start the clampdown on any radicals that preach and teach and encourage terrorism and hatred. Never mind that "meek shall inherit the earth" stuff. The meek will inherit sh*t at the present rate. What WILL they be like once their oil runs out? Expect mass migration then.Hmmm.... speaking of which, why is that Khadr family still living in this country? The same one that announced on public radio that it supports Osama, and that terrorism IS the only way? Same one that is currently on trial in US? They voted Fiberal? Oh.... that explains it! Thank god *gasp* the bleedinghearts were running things, otherwise we might not be blessed *gasp* with having them here.

-Jihad! Across the World....--

Snookie,

I'm as lefty as they come but I'm all for locking up hate mongering, terrorist recruiting folk.

It's important that this be done in a tough but fair way. Any whiff of racism surrounding it will just play into the radicals hands as they're imprisoned leaders will just serve as figures in exile to rally around.

Highly public radicals also serve as an intelligence goldmine for law enforcement. So just because they are at large doesn't mean that nothing is being done about them. You can bet law enforcement worldwide are watching these people and picking up loads of useful intel.

Damn, can you imagine what life would have been like without the muslim "golden age"? We would be running around all day trying to figure out what comes between "1" and "-1". We'd have to study Zoroastrianism in our Great Religions of the World courses. And we'd have oh-no-more-in-tact-ancient-cathedrals to visit on trips to Mediterranian Europe. The horror!

People, you have it all wrong.
The "Most Feared Five" is the CIC's version of the "Magnificent Seven". It's a compliment, a badge of honour even.
I vote for Toews to be the "Most Feared" of the "Most Feared Five". Monte can have the Steve McQueen role.

Multicultis humbugged: what a bummer, eh?

And now it turns out that these cartoons have been circulated in the Muslim world, in Egyptian newspapers to be precise, as far back as October 2005. Amir Taheri says the Multiculti "intellectuals" have been humbugged. Taken. Sold some phony interpretation of Islam the way you would take a rube to the Olive Garden for Italian food, Taco Bell for Mexican, or serve up chop-suey and General Tso chicken as authentic Chinese cuisine. According to Taheri the whole "you can't portray Mohammed" injunction was largely drummed up by snake-oil salesmen who found a ready market of people ready to fall all over themselves in the West.

But how representative of Islam are all those demonstrators? The "rage machine" was set in motion when the Muslim Brotherhood--a political, not a religious, organization--called on sympathizers in the Middle East and Europe to take the field. A fatwa was issued by Yussuf al-Qaradawi, a Brotherhood sheikh with his own program on al-Jazeera. Not to be left behind, the Brotherhood's rivals, Hizb al-Tahrir al-Islami (Islamic Liberation Party) and the Movement of the Exiles (Ghuraba), joined the fray. Believing that there might be something in it for themselves, the Syrian Baathist leaders abandoned their party's 60-year-old secular pretensions and organized attacks on the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus and Beirut. ...

There is no Quranic injunction against images, whether of Muhammad or anyone else. When it spread into the Levant, Islam came into contact with a version of Christianity that was militantly iconoclastic. As a result some Muslim theologians, at a time when Islam still had an organic theology, issued "fatwas" against any depiction of the Godhead. That position was further buttressed by the fact that Islam acknowledges the Jewish Ten Commandments--which include a ban on depicting God--as part of its heritage. The issue has never been decided one way or another, and the claim that a ban on images is "an absolute principle of Islam" is purely political. Islam has only one absolute principle: the Oneness of God. Trying to invent other absolutes is, from the point of view of Islamic theology, nothing but sherk, i.e., the bestowal on the Many of the attributes of the One.

The claim that the ban on depicting Muhammad and other prophets is an absolute principle of Islam is also refuted by history. Many portraits of Muhammad have been drawn by Muslim artists, often commissioned by Muslim rulers. There is no space here to provide an exhaustive list, but these are some of the most famous ...

The truth is that Islam has always had a sense of humor and has never called for chopping heads as the answer to satirists. Muhammad himself pardoned a famous Meccan poet who had lampooned him for more than a decade.

posted by wretchard at 2:30 PM | 130 comments
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Monte Solberg

On our streets.

With a keyboard.

And ideas.

In Canada.

I'm not making this up.

Sorry mrtisaduffer...Monte had to hang up the blogging keyboard when he entered cabinet. But, I'm sure he'll write some very amusing replies to petitions from unsavoury immigration lawyers, and Sacha Trudeau.

Joe Canuck wrote:

"Why aren't these radical leaders and mullahs being prosecuted under our hate crime laws????

What the Hell makes them so damn special in Canada or other Western countries?"

Joe: for an interesting answer to your question, Mark Steyn hits it ("Battered Westerner Syndrome inflicted by myopic Muslim defenders"). He's bang-on in his analysis (Steyn usually is), and this is a must read for anybody surfing this blog:

http://jewishworldreview.com/0802/steyn1.asp

Elmasry is an anus. He's allowed to spew his idiocies (ref. Kate's link on his comments that any Israeli over 18 is a legitimate "target"), but runs crying foul when anyone dares question Islam or its own "hidden agenda". He embarasses me as a UW Alumnus, considering the university did squat to censure (not "censor") him. I'll wager they'd have no problem with haranguing a Jewish prof who thought Palestinians over 18 holding rocks were all legitimate "targets".

It's a great thing for blogs such as this, and Angry's. You'd never see such discussions as permitted by the MSM.

mhb23re
(email is above username at Google webmail service)

NCF "Damn, can you imagine what life would have been like without the muslim "golden age"?"

The Dark Ages would have lasted longer. Mind you depending on your political and religous inclinations that may not have been a bad thing.

Jose, are you trying to tell me that the Muslims brought us the Renaissance?

Why aren't these radical leaders and mullahs being prosecuted under our hate crime laws???? What the Hell makes them so damn special in Canada or other Western countries?

Come on, you know the Politically Correct System of Values - it's mainly about race and victimization. As most Muslims have olive or brown-toned skin and are minority communities in the West, it is racist and intolerant to criticize or censure them. Hate laws are only for Caucasians, unless perhaps anti-semitism is involved.

NCF To "Jose, are you trying to tell me that the Muslims brought us the Renaissance?"

No. The Dark Ages ended around the year 1000 AD (although there are other dates bandied about). The italian renaissance started in the 14th century. Muslim influence in Europe started in the 9th century with muslim kingdoms in Spain and Sicily. By the time the muslims were kicked out both Spain and Italy were thoroughly influenced by Islamic culture and science.

The principle reason why the renaissance happened in Italy rather than Spain was largely due to a) they had more money and b) Spain purged itself of all things muslim (niceties like bathing daily and tolerating jews). An interesting aside, after the spanish finally booted the muslims they booted the jews too (they were percieved as too pro-muslim).

That the Muslims at the time were centuries ahead of christians scientificaly and technologicaly is well documented. Some of the muslim rulers even maintained public libraries. Most of the classics got reintroduced to Europe via these people. The barbarian hordes that sacked the roman empire weren't big on things like preserving and maintaining extensive libraries. Hence the term Dark Ages.

You don't need to take my word for it though. Here's a good place to start if you want to do some more reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Islam

From the people who brought you fatwas & honour killing.

Surprise!!!

The barbarian hordes that sacked the roman empire weren't big on things like preserving and maintaining extensive libraries.

Neither were many Muslims, come to think of it. Library of Alexandria, anyone?

Jose:
"Highly public radicals also serve as an intelligence goldmine for law enforcement."

I would like to think so Jose. BUT, at what cost is that intelligence gained VS the damage done by the radical preaching? Gathering a lil intelligence whilst the clerics indoctrinate a small army of suicide-bombers hardly seems a fair tradeoff. To be sure, laws should be applied fairly. I'm afraid it is another case of muslims will have to start the cleanup themselves. They are aware of who is radical and who is not. There is the .22 (cent) solution.... fairly applied of course ;)

Okay, Boeing will now take your orders for the F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornet... and on the side, a few EA-18G Growlers...

Go kick some butt, Harper. Do it now.

Having watched and read all the comments re Emerson, those against his appointment remind me of the actions of the rioters. When will we see mobs of voters in red scarves marching in the street. Mob rule, in our cities, in Canada. There is no set rule when a by-election must be called, so those opposing this better get a grip. Be without an MP for at least 6 mos or take what you got. And those ministers that are upset, remember Harper giveth and Harper can take away. Lots of Alberta MP's ready to step in and fill the gap. How long before Garth, with all his outrage is probably planning to cross the floor and run for the liberal leadership. He is just another failed leadership candidate of the conservative party who is getting even. Anyone know who beat him. All the so called conservative voters (I think they voted green or NDP) are just trying to topple Harper. Just wait for their reaction when the truth comes out and there are no huge surpluses. The libs can't stand the fact that all their sleaze of the past comes out. Where is Martin, remember how the media bashed Harper when he was unavailable after the 2004 election. Not a word or photo op of Martin. At least the libs now have a declared candidate for leader. When will BS announce. Now, if one of the elected libs runs for the party leadership, they will spend most of the next year out of the HofC, campaigning. If two run, that leaves another one gone. That would bring them down to 99 in their seats, as Martin will be a no show. Gives Harper a better chance to get his program thru, as he can follow the libs procedure and hold all votes at 11.00p.m. when he knows there will be few opposition to oppose him. The liberals will have taught him well.

Substitue Homosexual every time infidel, jew, racist and other words are used in every clerics rant and see how long it will be before they are charged with hate crimes. Time to call them what they are and charge them all. Time to deport those who support by their silence or inaction this violence. Just let those against Emerson try this hate talk and see how long they are free.

Free speech and immigration
Various "Canadian Moslem organizations" are already in full swing spreading the idea that preventing any bad opinions about Moslems is the main concern we Canadians should have as a result of the Mohammad cartoon caper. Well no! I prefer maintaining freedom of expression. Not freedom of expression as defined by a bunch of politically correct do-gooders and ethnic groups that have no interest in Canada other than to use Canada for their own purposes. Freedom of expression based on the idea that I have a value as an individual, not just as a member of some ethnic or religious group. Thinking and speaking out is an important part of my value as an individual. There has to be a very good reason to restrain this aspect of my value as a being. I do not recognize the primitives who have usurped the proud tradition of Islam as a force that I want to bow down to in Canada.

We need a Canadian Cultural Coalition that lobbies government in favour of preserving our way of life. That way of life is welcoming to people who respect us, not to people who resent us and only want to pursue their own perverted agenda.

While a lot of attention is focused on Moslems, there is an even larger problem looming in Canada. Most of the Chinese speaking media, including Chinese-language newspapers, radio stations and websites are controlled or largely influence by the totalitarian government in Beijing. Immigrants coming here from the PRC are a) largely brainwashed b) very nationalistic about China c) often persuaded to help the motherland before they come and after the get here. I often hear them telling themselves that they are along with the French and English one of the three major culture groups in Canada.

That would bed all right if they stuck to Lion Dances and dim sum. The problem will arise when it comes to foreign policy, language policy and other policies that will further divide Canada and encourage other groups to ask for the same.

The fundamental issue for the future of Canada is immigration. Will we allow Canada to become culturally very different from what it is now. Note that I am talking about culture and not race. If we allow too much immigration from a few countries we will not be able to culturally assimilate these people. Canada's history is built upon assimilation, voluntary assimilation. This is often against the wishes of the first generation of immigrants, but it is a healthy thing. Canada as a Metis, mixed society of people who buy into a common culture is a healthy concept. Multiculturalism is a dead end and phoney.

Canadians need to be concerned. There is no justification for the present high levels of immigration. It is time to organize!