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February 6, 2006

Supporting Denmark

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Graphic courtesy Dissident Frogman. There are several to choose from, if you're so inclined.

A few readers have asked me to set up a post directing others as to how they can help offset the boycott of Danish goods. This list was posted in the comments - feel free to add your own.


Arla milk, cheese etc.
Danish crown (meat)
Lurmaerket Butter
Danish Bacon
Thor Fish
Danisco Food

Candy:
Toms (chocolate)
LAgermann
Galle & Jessen

Beverages:
Tuborg Beer
Carlsberg Beer
Aalborg Aquavit (snaps)

Clothings:
H2O
Hummel
Per Reumert

 

Shoes: Ecco Jaco

Danish Design:
Royal Copenhagen
Georg Jensen
Stelton
PH-lamps
Lego (toys)
Brio (toys)
Raadvad (knives etc.)
Trip Trap
HTH- kitchen
Morsoe (Fireplaces)
Royal Danish Porcelain
B & G Porcelain
Vesta (Windmills)
B & O radioes/televisions etc.

Other:
Watco Danish Furniture Oil
Buy Danish yarn
LEGO

If you would like to send a note of support to the Danish Embassy , their contact email address is ottamb@um.dk. For the Danish Embassy in the US: wasamb@um.dk.


And for our faux liberal friends on the left, who stubbornly refuse to "get it", Muslim dissident Ibn Warraq warns;

A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

Unless, we show some solidarity, unashamed, noisy, public solidarity with the Danish cartoonists, then the forces that are trying to impose on the Free West a totalitarian ideology will have won; the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest. Do not apologize.

Posted by Kate at February 6, 2006 8:44 AM
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Comments

The Infidel Bloggers Alliance Mohammed Cartoon Contest

Hey, kids! It’s The Infidel Bloggers Alliance Mohammed Cartoon Contest! (Enter early to avoid the fatwas. Local laws regarding free speech may apply.)
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/02/infidel-bloggers-alliance-mohammed_04.html

Site includes "Infidel Babe of the Week".
via LGF

Posted by: maz2 at February 6, 2006 8:51 AM

ECCO shoes are wonderful. I bought a pair this weekend. It's been some years since I wore them, but they are even better than before. Expensive but worth it for more than one reason.

Long live Queen Margarethe II!

Notice how the women of Europe (Margarethe II, Angela Merkel, Orianna Fallaci) have more balls than the men these days?

Anyone else share the suspicion that things may come to a head very soon? I'm speaking of the clash of Western civilization with Islam on the outside and Leftism on the inside.

I sure hope, at least, that we don't just roll over and go back to sleep this time.

Posted by: Doug at February 6, 2006 9:06 AM

"Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth."

Exchange "Communism" for "islam" and it reads 100% . . . just another doomed orthodoxy.

Fidel would appreciate the truth of it.

Posted by: Fred at February 6, 2006 9:18 AM

For those wanting to send a supportive email to the Danes:

The Danish Embassy in Canada is at http://www.ambottawa.um.dk/en
Their contact email address is ottamb@um.dk

The Danish Embassy in the US is at http://www.ambwashington.um.dk/en
Their contact email address is wasamb@um.dk

Posted by: Dave at February 6, 2006 9:18 AM

Too bad their export beer sucks ( try a Nils Oscar vienna and tell me I'm wrong) so I'll have to buy some cheese and another lego extention kit for the kids.

Of more interest to me is how Denmark imported this problem so we don't repeat their mistakes.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 6, 2006 9:35 AM

WL Mackenzie - it wasn't a mistake on the part of the Danes. It is a gross error on the part of Muslims. They reject freedom - as the article says: the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. Furthermore, they consider that ALL people, everywhere in the world, must live within their strictures and their dogma.

Their rules state that one may not make an image of their 'holy figures'. Fine - that's their agenda, but, it only applies to Muslims. The error of the Islamic world is to consider that their dogma must apply to everyone in the world - not only Muslims.
Their rejection of freedom of thought, the freedom and necessity to critique, to argue, to dissent, to mock ...ought to be confined to their isolationism and their primitive mindset. They have no right to insist that we live their way.

Posted by: ET at February 6, 2006 9:54 AM

We can avoid importing this problem, WLMR. We can do what they say.

Posted by: surly at February 6, 2006 10:09 AM

Kate, please add Faxe beer to your list.
http://studio-vr.net/?p=53
If you buy Danish products, please scan your receipt and post it on the web.

Posted by: emil at February 6, 2006 10:16 AM

I followed the link to spiegel online and I think he misses the point.

Muslims do want to integrate with the west. That's the real reason why the radicals are so pissed off and trying to create a rift.

Posted by: Jose at February 6, 2006 10:36 AM


Last night, for the second night running, CTV showed a glimpse of the cartoons. I don't have much truck with CTV news, however, I am very surprised that they have shown this much nerve and have sent them a word or two of support and encouragement to show more for longer.

Posted by: Mr. C.J. Mullan at February 6, 2006 10:42 AM

ET - they don't care what we think. Their dogma only asks that they tolerate us so long as we submit.


Posted by: Kate at February 6, 2006 10:46 AM

I think all the riots are supremely stupid. Any person who reacts to a cartoon by rioting in the streets is a radical who doesn't deserve any consideration.

Having said that, I don't think my buying butter, overpriced Ecco shoes or Danish Bacon (in Canada I would buy Danish bacon??????) is going to do anything. It's laughable to think that I'm supporting free speech by buying lego.

Posted by: Todd at February 6, 2006 10:53 AM

Muslim Anti-Cartoon Clashes Turn Deadly
Yahoo ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:39:54 AM PST by SmoothTalker

Afghan security forces opened fire on demonstrators Monday, leaving at least four dead, as increasingly violent protests erupted around the world over published caricatures of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. European and Muslim politicians pleaded for calm.

The worst of the violence was outside Bagram, the main U.S. base in Afghanistan, with Afghan police firing on some 2,000 protesters as they tried to break into the heavily guarded facility, said Kabir Ahmed, the local government chief.

Two demonstrators were killed and five were injured, while eight police also were hurt, he said. No U.S. troops were involved in the clashes, Ahmed said.

Lebanon, meanwhile, apologized to Denmark a day after thousands of rampaging Muslim demonstrators set fire to the building housing the Danish mission in Beirut to protest the series of cartoons satirizing Islam's holiest figure.

The European Union issued stern reminders to 18 Muslim countries that they are obliged under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations to protect foreign embassies, and Austria — which now holds the EU Council presidency, reported calling in a top representative of the Organization of the Islamic Conference to express concerns for the safety of diplomatic missions.

The prime ministers of Spain and Turkey issued a Christian-Muslim appeal for calm, saying "we shall all be the losers if we fail to immediately defuse this situation."

But Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said media freedoms cannot be limitless and that hostility against Muslims was replacing anti-Semitism in the West. >>>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1572740/posts

Posted by: maz2 at February 6, 2006 11:00 AM

Don't forget Helly-Hansen, pricey but good.

#1 son(18) is in France right now with 4 of his Danish buddies, just going to send him an e-mail reminding him to keep his head down and perhaps forego the dansk clothing he likes to wear, as well as suggest they use english rather than danish when conversing.

Whatta world eh?

Posted by: AlbertanFromBC at February 6, 2006 11:00 AM

This entire thing has ceased being about cartoons. It is a widening of the war we are already engaged in. The radicals wish to destroy us. The only choices we have are to fight or be destroyed. There is nothing pretty in all of this. Many innocents will become casualties on both sides. However, we did not pick this fight. People who are emotionally retarded with a medieval outlook on the world fear our culture and its freedoms. With ever evolving and improving means of communication we become harder and harder to shut out. As a result they attack. Those who are instigating this are those who have the most to lose. The dictatorial Imam and Mullahs who use will be out of jobs if our western freedoms and democracy continues to spread. They have demonstrated their depravity in their own countries with their own laws. Stoning, amputation and mutilation, honour killings, and rape as punishment. Now they are directing this evil outwards -- at us. We must look to our past now. We do not give in to the threats of petty evil men. This savagery is evil and must be destroyed. The enemy has made it clear that there is to be no negotiation. We are left with no option but to use the only language these awful men understand. We must speak to them with overwhelming and irresistible force.

Posted by: Mr. C.J. Mullan at February 6, 2006 11:06 AM

"They want to test our feelings," protester Mawli Abdul Qahar Abu Israra told the BBC.

"They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and to their newspapers," he said.


Which really just about says it all.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4684652.stm

Posted by: JCP at February 6, 2006 11:52 AM

Danish beer is piss. If avaoidint it means I have to live with Mullah Omar in charge, so be it.

Posted by: Guv at February 6, 2006 11:58 AM

Warraq is not a "Muslim dissident." He is an ex-Muslim. h/t Mark Collins.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at February 6, 2006 12:37 PM

Great - another excuse to buy beer. Carlsberg it is!

Posted by: Lew at February 6, 2006 1:35 PM

Mr. C.J. Mullan? Regarding:


Now they are directing this evil outwards -- at us. We must look to our past now. We do not give in to the threats of petty evil men. This savagery is evil and must be destroyed. The enemy has made it clear that there is to be no negotiation. We are left with no option but to use the only language these awful men understand. We must speak to them with overwhelming and irresistible force.

Amen to that, neighbor.

Everything I have found about The War of the 12
Cartoons
( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is
located here- scroll backwards:


--Link--

Posted by: backhoe at February 6, 2006 1:41 PM

WL Mackenzie Redux

"Of more interest to me is how Denmark imported this problem so we don't repeat their mistakes."

The problem was imported to solve a problem that's the same for most of the West.

Not enough baby Danes, Scots, Italians..etc.

It's important to support Canadians who understand that it takes more than providing a loving home for a Golden Retriever..etc to secure the future of our country.
Achieving that understanding, unfortunately comes a bit too late in life for many in our culture.

Now excuse me, time for kindergarten pick if I could only remember where I set down my car keys!

Posted by: Cal at February 6, 2006 1:45 PM

Why don't you all just petition for Canada's north to be turned over to Denmark too since they want it?

Posted by: Saskboy at February 6, 2006 1:56 PM

"Of more interest to me is how Denmark imported this problem so we don't repeat their mistakes."
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Well stop immigration, all it does is drive house prices up in toronto and vancouver and grow a block of voters so flakey they supported martin.
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"The problem was imported to solve a problem that's the same for most of the West.

Not enough baby Danes, Scots, Italians..etc."
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I know this is canadas hidden secret but our population is growing and is expected to for at least 20 or so years. MSM's want you to keep it a secret!


http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050928/d050928a.htm
"Between 1994 and 2004, Canada's rate of natural increase of 0.39% was exceeded only by that of the United States (+0.58%) among the G8."

I think if we get the 1200 a year the .4%/yr will go up s all the blue babes are born.

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Ps Kate what about JYSK?
http://www.jysk.ca/about/aboutIndex.html
"In 1979, JYSK opened the first store in Aarhus, Denmark."

I guess I better buy something ELSE there and risk some Carlsberg beer.

Posted by: DrWright at February 6, 2006 2:09 PM

There are a number of differences between us and them, including the fact that Canadians and the Muslim faith have completely different standards of speech and expression; a different orientation to religion and iconography; a completely different composition of religions and denominations; and also a completely different situation in the balance between state and press power vis-a-vis the "offended" party. They need to realize this and be prepared to be offended.

Maybe the proper comparison for the muslim rioting is the killings at abortion clinics by christian fundamentalists. But this level of violence is nuts.

Boycotts I could understand. Peaceful protesting I could understand. But when waving signs around saying Europe's got its 9/11 coming, torching embassies, etc, all understanding and tolerance fades away.

Posted by: steve in bc at February 6, 2006 2:25 PM

IMO Europe will accept that it is OK to insult Christians and Jews but not Muslims.

The Islamic laws regarding dhimmies and the Islamic ummah (sp?)are accepted in many countries.

Time (just like an uninformed left winger) IS on their side.

Mix it with fear and it is obvious that the WOT will be a very long war.

Posted by: no bozos allowed at February 6, 2006 2:32 PM

I think there is a little racism in all of this,
hiding behind “freedom of expression.”
I wonder how much freedom holocaust deniers have.
The problem, the way I see it, is Islam.
Mohammed was nothing more then evil.
With his six year old wife, how can you argue that he was not a
Pedophile. Even in a time when this was banned by society, he didn’t care.
He murdered and tortured his way into power and kept homosexual slaves.
This is why Islam can’t deal with any form of questioning,
It might lead to the truth. The west also contributes to the misinformation
by calling them extremists and are afraid to tell anyone what Islamic religion
truly is.

Posted by: Peter at February 6, 2006 2:44 PM

Support Denmark and freedom of speech: http://www.petitiononline.com/danmark/petition.html

Posted by: Tom Penn at February 6, 2006 3:02 PM

We should boycott Islamic activities.

List of things to boycott:

1) beating our wives
2) burn flags
3) perform female circumcisms
4) burning down embassies

They don't make anything over there so it will be difficult to boycott products. Time to start looking for alternative energy sources!

If you really want to hurt the oil rich Arab countries, take away their Filipino slave labour and recall all technical ex-pats. The lights would go out in the Muslim world.

The bottom line is they need the West as much as we need their oil. Once we don't need their oil, their wealth will blow away in the sand.

Posted by: Joe Canuckistan at February 6, 2006 3:21 PM

The cartoons do not in themselves promote hatred of Muslims or Islam, but rather are criticizing those Muslims who use Islam (and thus Mohammed) as a justification for murderous violence. And that I think is fair comment.

If some Muslims are nonetheless outraged (I can see their taking offence even in the face of a legitimate critique) then I think that illustrates their unwillingness to reflect more fully on the hideous uses to which some members of their faith are putting that faith. That is a much greater offence than the cartoons. Failure to appreciate that indicates a sad lack of perspecive.

That reminds me of the unwillingess of many on the left in the West honestly to examine the Soviet Union and the horrors it committed; their attitude was "pas d'ennemis à gauche". A misplaced solidarity.

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins at February 6, 2006 3:29 PM

And from the WS Journal "Best of the Web Today" (I recommend getting a free e-mail subscription--see top of the page):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/

'Fair-Weather Free-Speech Friends
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2006/02/04/forms_of_intolerance/

The Boston Globe wades into the Danish cartoon controversy by urging more sensitivity toward Muslims:

Freedom of expression is not the only value at issue in the conflict provoked by a Danish newspaper's publication of cartoons satirizing Islam's founding prophet, Mohammed. . . .

The original decision of the Danish paper, Jyllands-Posten, to solicit and publish a dozen cartoons of the Muslim prophet was less a blow against censorship than what The Economist called a schoolboy prank. . . .

Publishing the cartoons reflects an obtuse refusal to accept the profound meaning for a billion Muslims of Islam's prohibition against any pictorial representation of the prophet. Depicting Mohammed wearing a turban in the form of a bomb with a sputtering fuse is no less hurtful to most Muslims than Nazi caricatures of Jews or Ku Klux Klan caricatures of blacks are to those victims of intolerance.

Blogger Eugene Volokh
http://volokh.com/posts/1139073913.shtml

wondered if the Globe was equally solicitous of the feelings of Christians offended by various government-sponsored artworks in the U.S. It would appear not. Volokh digs up an editorial from 1999 praising a judge who ordered New York City not to withhold funding for a museum that displayed "a painting of a black Virgin Mary spotted with elephant dung," as well as two editorials from 1990 denouncing then-Sen. Jesse Helms and others who had criticized the National Endowment for the Arts over artworks including Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ."

These earlier editorials, Volokh writes, make "eminently plausible arguments." What they do not do is acknowledge that Christians have any reason to find the depictions of Jesus and Mary "hurtful."..'

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins at February 6, 2006 3:33 PM

assn will now skyrocket in Pak. Who is assn?

Pakistan medical assn to boycott European drugs over cartoons
Posted by Pessimist
On 02/06/2006 12:18:08 PM PST · 10 replies · 144+ views

Forbes.com ^ | 02/06/2006 | Unknown
MULTAN, Pakistan (AFX) - The Pakistan Medical Association has vowed not to prescribe medicines from firms based in some European countries where controversial cartoons portraying the Prophet Mohammed were published, said Shahid Rao, the body's general secretary for Punjab province. The association will boycott drugs from Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Germany and France to protest the 'blasphemous' drawings, Rao said. 'We have taken a unanimous decision and it will be immediately implemented in Pakistan,' Rao told AFP. 'Doctors in the country are very motivated on this issue,' he said. 'We would use alternate medicines in future till a public apology comes... >> freerepublic.com

Posted by: maz2 at February 6, 2006 3:33 PM

Funny Kate at how a little Hate Mongering has made the Danes your new best friend.

Posted by: Jim at February 6, 2006 4:14 PM

I have suggested to SWMBO (Mrs. Doubting) that Danish goods should be on her shopping list. Not that I like Danish beer, but I will buy some, just as I bought a copy of "Satanic Verses" some years ago to make a statement of where I stood on an important issue. (I hope the beer is better than the book.)

AFAIK, the cartoons were an experiment in a Western setting. Some imams added some of their own cartoons to the set, ("sexed it up", as the English say) and stirred up an obscure situation. This offends my sense of fair play, but I won't be burning any mosques, or calling for the beheading of any Moslems. Unfortunately, no sense of humor, and making sure that everyone toes the Islamic line seems to be the face of the future.

Posted by: DoubtingThomas at February 6, 2006 4:38 PM

Re: not enough Canadian babies

DrWright, I'm afraid that you are wrong.

>"I know this is canadas hidden secret but our population is growing and is expected to for at least 20 or so years. MSM's want you to keep it a secret!
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050928/d050928a.htm
"Between 1994 and 2004, Canada's rate of natural increase of 0.39% was exceeded only by that of the United States (+0.58%) among the G8."

Thanks for the link.

From their report:

"Natural increase among the highest in the G8"
Well, well what a nice group to use for comparison.

"- three countries (Germany, Italy and the Russian Federation) currently have more deaths than births"
-(Canada)With a fertility rate of 1.5 children per woman...., is ranked fourth among the G8 countries,.."

Great! we're ranked fourth in a group that has 7 losers out of 8.

"- The United States was the only country in the group whose fertility rate was at the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman.

- Canadian population was largely and increasingly due to its net international migration.
- Canadian net international migration rate was the highest of any G8 country from 1994 to 2004."

Did you not read the whole thing or are you working to become a Master Spin Meister (MSM)?


Posted by: Cal at February 6, 2006 4:49 PM

I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but JYSK (The bed,bath, etc... store chain) is also a danish company the last time I checked.

Posted by: Nels Nielson at February 6, 2006 6:35 PM

I was gonna mention that this an issue that all of us, right, moderate and left can agree support.

Then I read this:

"And for our faux liberal friends on the left, who stubbornly refuse to "get it""

Pathetic. Since you couldn't resist pitching a cheap stone... if anyone is likely to sympathize with strident Islamist nutjobs, it's strident Christian nutjobs.

Posted by: Soviet Canuckastani at February 6, 2006 6:39 PM

Sorry DrWright, missed your post.

Posted by: Nels Nielson at February 6, 2006 6:42 PM

Brillian Joe:
"List of things to boycott:

1) beating our wives
2) burn flags
3) perform female circumcisms
4) burning down embassies"

Of those 4 things, 1,2,4 are all things Americans do or have done recently. Instead of making the senseless claim that only Muslims do those things, perhaps you should speak out against things that only extremist Muslims do.

Posted by: saskboy at February 6, 2006 6:56 PM

True Islam Unmasked
Posted by lancer
On 02/06/2006 3:51:39 PM PST · 9 replies · 204+ views

ChronWatch ^ | February 06, 2006 | Barbara J. Stock

The Islamic Pandora’s Box has been opened and no amount of energy spent trying to push the true face of Islam back in will be successful.

The inherent violence, intolerance, and inbred anger of Islam is now out for all to see.

The world is watching and the “handful of terrorists who have high-jacked a peaceful religion” doesn’t pass the “laugh test” any longer.

An Islamic mob of over 500 marched through the streets of Knightsbridge, England, chanting, “Massacre those who insult Islam!” and issued warnings of further terror attacks by screaming, "Britain, you will pay, 7/7 on its way."... >>>
freerepublic.com

Posted by: maz2 at February 6, 2006 7:06 PM

Of intrest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4686410.stm

Posted by: Mr. C.J. Mullan at February 6, 2006 7:48 PM

If the artist of the danish cartoons had wanted confirmation of the point of his drawing the islamic world has provided it. The ironic humour here is tremendous, the only thing that could prove his point more eloquently is if these rioters began burning down embassies and suicide bom.... oh wait they already are doing that. It seems as though the TRUE Face of Islam is revealed; the true face of islam is one of hatred fear and totalitarianism. It is most certainly not the face of education peace and tolerance that I have had pandered before me on numerous occasions, perhaps at one time in the distant past it was. I suspect however that those attributes were more attributable to the host culture than the religion per se. The assimilation of the islamic world's cultures within the arab ideal however has erased much of this "Ideal of Islam" and replaced it with their own dark crusade.

Daryl

Posted by: Daryl Haaland at February 6, 2006 8:19 PM

Anybody have enough Lego pieces lying around to make a bust of Moo-ham-ed? Extra points if he is depicted hauling back on a Tuborg...

Posted by: Shaken at February 6, 2006 8:59 PM

Doubting Thomas: You might want to buy a copy of Irshad Manji's _The Trouble With Islam Today_ subtitled: A Wake-up Call for Honesty and Change.

Her website is: http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

She almost didn't write the book, because she knew that as a lesbian, many people would dismiss her argument without even reading it. Questioning and discussion used to be allowed in Islam.

Irshad has made her book available for free dowloading in Arabic and Urdu. This scares the powers of Islam so much that they now block access to her website in their countries. Their previous method was to kill the bookstore owners if they stocked her book.

It's interesting to me that a Canadian lesbian is tackling the big problem in Islam, and that no one else would.

We should constantly point out the lack of vocal condemnation of terrorist acts by the "average Muslim."

Their attitude towards women being covered-up in public shows that Islam considers it's men to be weak minded and completely unable to control their basic primal urges. That's one serious slam towards their own men. I wonder when they'll put that together?

Posted by: Kyla at February 6, 2006 9:48 PM

Finally! A reasonable voice in the muslim world!! I think Ibn Warraq has it right, and ALL muslims should open their mind AND eyes to the path that the clerics are leading them. It seems that in general "they" are a violent people... atleast they are in nonwestern countries. Sure there are a few token ones in the west calling for beheadings etc but I think in general those in western countries see where their brethern are headed and are not inclined to walk on the same path. Kudos to the clear thinkers like Ibn Warraq. As I said earlier, clear thinking wins out over unbridled passion every time.

Posted by: Snookie at February 6, 2006 10:15 PM

Dan
"Did you not read the whole thing or are you working to become a Master Spin Meister (MSM)?"

Yes Dan I read the whole, thing more than once. I guess I was trying to be brief.

Dan
"DrWright, I'm afraid that you are wrong."
Not,
How am I being a Master spin Meister I said our population is growing by .39 a year and it is. Not my fault that stats can uses the G8 for comparison. And the 2.1 number is relative in the old days they might draw the line at 30 I now know 2 couples in their 40's expecting.

Canada's population largely increased because of our influx of unneeded immigrants true. However .39 per domestic and an unneeded .61% imports yes I'll get into why. Together they are growing at 1% a year. So we get 50% more growth from bringing in people we don't need on the presumption that our population is

SHRINKING,

However it isn't it's just growing slowly. But it does let them say largely. The fact is if our internal pop is already growing it's looney to say we need our excessive immigration because our population is shrinking, which libs want to be 1% per year. Before finding 750,000 Just because they want Europeans to be in the minority in 30 years.

Mark Collins laid out explicitly how well this works for liberal voting blocks right after the election.

When Europe was devastated by the black plague the population came back and rebuilt but in Canada if it doesn't grow fast enough we say we'll put the euro descended types in the minority in a few years. Imagine how different Europe would have been if they had excessive immigration then. Perhaps a few European enclaves in Scotland.

Dan don't forget that when we bring in some family plan lout whose in their 50's, 60's or 70's and they kick the bucket they count against the domestic number not the number of imports that's only measured against exports. So by having high immigration we have a higher death rate and complain if our birth rate can't keep up? Course you read that right?


Like the study says in 2025 we MIGHT have more deaths than births. And it depends on a lot of things if we give large tax breaks etc for people to have children. Whereas now the people who get the most from the government are on welfare. Or we might not or if we do have less our population might drop to what it is today or maybe it will drop to the number it will grow to in 2019 35 or 38 million? If it drops people could afford houses in Toronto, they might not need all the new Nuke power plants or the highways or the urban sprawl.

Might have more births than deaths, might.


Turkey and Egypt used to be a Christian countries Dan and are no longer, think about that.


Do we want to go down that path too? Would you move to Turkey or Syria? Or should we not ask questions like that and sleepwalk forward to whatever Dutch fate awaits us. Is that what you want Dan?

This government study is better than anything I could make up.

Immigrants are less likely to file taxes.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/research/papers/education/education-r.html
"The incidence of personal income tax filing for Canadians 20 years of age and over in 1995 was roughly 91%. The comparable figure for immigrants 18 years of age and over as captured in the IMDB was 57%."

So they don't pay taxes that'll fire the economy,

http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/research/papers/education/education-h.html
"14.3% of immigrant taxfilers landed since 1980 reported welfare benefits as an income source in 1995, as compared to a 9.6% incidence for all Canadians."
so people here 15 years are 50% more likely to be on welfare, no wonder we need government housing.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/research/papers/education/education-e.html
"12% to 18% reported unemployment insurance benefits"
up to 18% sounds real high.
"Immigrants with 0 to 9 years of schooling were less likely to report employment earnings but more likely to declare unemployment insurance benefits or welfare payments when compared to the all immigrant taxfiler averages."

Dan can you imagine going for a job

Employer: Well what kind of schooling do you have?

Import: grade 0.

Employer: ??!!!

http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/research/papers/education/education-c.html
"In 1995, those with 0 to 9 years of education accounted for 18%"

18% of the adults we bring in have no high school?
Insane I tell you these are adults over 18 all ready for welfare.

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Dan like the recent Fraser institute report says it's common knowledge that economically since we went from European immigration to anyone but Europeans they haven't done well. How can common knowledge be so invisible?

Why do I want more people to compete with who get affirmative action, hiring quotas and obliterate Canadian culture via political correctness. You can't even say Christmas in my daughters school. A national holiday! Is this how they teach citizenship and Canadian culture by obliterating it. We are sleepwalking to that doom sooner than we think.

If we needed them there would be no need for affirmative action programs would there? Some decent countries will not let foreigners apply for jobs until they run them for local people first. I wish in the name of multiculturalism we adopted that value.

Posted by: DrWright at February 6, 2006 10:29 PM

Very interesting point that was made by ET "but, it only applies to Muslims. The error of the Islamic world is to consider that their dogma must apply to everyone in the world - not only Muslims."

I am not married according to their customs or they to mine and the list goes on.

Shut off and isolated by ignorance. Pity.


Posted by: Pat at February 6, 2006 11:41 PM

pmsh last cabinet post - drwright for minister of racism

Posted by: elliot at February 6, 2006 11:56 PM

Who knew that a cartoon image of Mohammed could so infuriate the Muslim world. Glad to see the boycott antis are tightening their focus. That is a good thing, the Danes shouldn't carry responsibilty for what is a basic human ( in the western world anyway) right. Freedom of speech. As for the history buffs, if they are going to keep writing history as the deaths continue it won't bother me , I can't read the posts through as it is. I can remember-- where were you when Kennedy was shot, I thought the 7 shuttle astonauts of NASA are o.k. for the next generation But I cannot but wonder why the WTC disaster and ongoing wars with Muslims are not a more prevelant theme when a published set of cartoons has ignited- no change that to- increased the call for the blood of infidels. The fear and anger of 9/11, the deaths then and since. What do you take seriously. Your freedom of speech, enjoyment of Carlsberg or a person's lack of a world perspective on the history of Islam. Call me whatever, tell me where to go (please) but isn't there a war on against Muslims?

Posted by: kenney2 at February 7, 2006 12:00 AM

If the cartoons were against Jesus or Mary *I'm sure there would be a cry of foul from North America* The Muslims believe just as much as Chritians do in their god and prophets.Their is too much of this bigotted attitude going on.It does nothing to promote peace. What's wrong with Denmark? It's a fairly liberal country and should've known what this cartoon would do.

Posted by: ok4ua at February 7, 2006 3:21 AM

Just like Austria and Germany have always made the greatest, most amazing microphones in the world -- AKG, Neumann, etc. -- the Danes have a phenomenal number of great speaker manufacturers. Rather than the "sizzle and thump" typical American sound, Danish speakers have a really honest midrange -- on "Dynaudio" boxes it even says in small letters "Danes Don't Lie".

They're not cheap, but they're inexpensive compared to their quality, and they're famous for their permanence of function -- like a guitar, they get better as they age. Nice wood, too.

And hey, everyone, Danish beer is not piss, unless you wait twenty minutes. On the other hand, Grolsch, which is Dutch, isn't piss even if you do wait. And I'll bet Theo Van Gogh drank it. So buy Grolsch, listen to your Dynaudios, and eat lutefisk.

Posted by: EBD at February 7, 2006 3:34 AM

All religions are based on a belief in a philosophy not fact.The Koran,Bible and Torah are not based on historical facts that can be proven.They were written by men to express beliefs not facts. If you can fool the mind you can sometimes fool the body.

Posted by: ok4ua at February 7, 2006 3:45 AM

O4Qa, when the piece of artwork called "piss christ" -- a crucifix in urine, basically -- was exhibited Christian mobs didn't roam the streets setting fire to buildings and calling for deaths. There have been a million such examples of "art" and "defamation" in the free world. There might be a "cry of foul from North America" but no society-wide calls for murders.

And, er, have you ever seen Arab potrayals of Rabbis or priests, or seen the contents of some Arab schoolbooks?

When you say "they should have known what this cartoon would do", you are tacitly admitting that Islamists have the right to vet publications in Denmark or Norway or Finland.

But what would your response be if someone considered your wife's exposed face, or your mother's ankles, or your son's consumption of bacon at summer camp to be a provocation? Were that to occur, would you still say to your wife or son or mother that they "should have known" what their actions would do?

"Duck!" is occasionally good advice, but at other times it is, when repeated often enough, another way of saying "let's die".

Posted by: EBD at February 7, 2006 3:59 AM

Back to gaol he goes...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/07/uomar.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/07/ixportaltop.html

Posted by: Mr. C.J. Mullan at February 7, 2006 8:21 AM

Lots of news from London:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4689556.stm

Posted by: Mr. C.J. Mullan at February 7, 2006 8:36 AM

Hope this finally leads to muslims looking at themselves in the mirror. Getting so bent out of shape over a bunch of lame cartoons is bordering on psychotic. Do muslims seriously just want to be patronized? Is their self image that pathetic? It's like they're collectively going through their teenage rebellion years.

Posted by: Reflector at February 7, 2006 10:50 AM

Moscow museum to exhibit Mohammed cartoons
UPI ^ | 2/7/2006

Posted on 02/07/2006 7:54:28 AM PST by Uncledave

Moscow museum to exhibit Mohammed cartoons

MOSCOW, Feb. 7 (UPI) -- A Moscow museum has announced it will exhibit the entire series of cartoons of Mohammed that have caused riots throughout the Islamic world.

Yury Samodurov, director of the Sakharov Museum and Public Center, said on Russian television that the center was ready to organize a public exhibition of the cartoons satirizing the founder of Islam that originally were published in a Danish newspaper, Pravda.ru reported Monday.

"We must show the whole world that Russia goes along with Europe, that the freedom of expression is much more important for us than the dogmas of religious fanatics," Samodurov said.

The exhibition reportedly will open in March. Lawyer Yury Shmidt has said he will invite French philosopher Andre Glucksmann and French novelist Michel Houellebecq to the opening ceremony to read lectures about the threat of Islamic fundamentalism.

In 2003 the Sakharov Museum outraged many Russian Orthodox believers with the art exhibit "Be Careful -- Religion," which many felt was insulting to their beliefs. >>>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573535/posts

Posted by: maz2 at February 7, 2006 11:55 AM

Danish Imams Busted!

One of the pictures displayed around the Middle East by a Danish Islamic group seeking to whip up anti-infidel rage supposedly showed Mohammed as “a pig.” Neandernews has discovered the source for this picture—and it has nothing to do with Mohammed: Danish Imams Busted!

Amazing.

Source here: Amazing
http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54

Posted by: maz2 at February 7, 2006 12:04 PM

lutefisk is Norwegian I believe.

I know, I smelt *ugh* one being cooked by a Norwegian friend.

Posted by: tomax at February 8, 2006 11:43 AM

All religions are full of dogma. Remember tyhe inquisitors of the middle ages??? How more rotten can religion get. They burned people at the stake. Now it's more humane due to acts of parliament. People are turning away from religion more and more because it lies all the time. Except for the good old USA.Where ignorance and superstition are popular. Christianity,Judaism, Muslim are based on stories from Sumeria.........scholars not any god.

Posted by: ok4ua at February 10, 2006 12:16 AM
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