I'm on the right side.

The rioting goes too far - but then again, so did those cartoons. Judeo-Christian culture has never had a problem making fun of itself - other cultures (such as, for example, the Muslim culture) don't quite go that far with their religious beliefs.

I've posted a bit more detail at my blog, http://kendblog.blogspot.com

Spare me the international dirt, and get my house,(and YOUR HOUSE), in order, first! Quebec Hydro, (using insider information), rips off Newfoundland over hydro power in Labrador- forty years ago! (The Newfies are still fighting this in 'court')HRDC 'loses' a billion bucks, (we know where some of it went). The 'gun registry' (we may-or may not- get to the bottom of that), and now-ADSCUM.........Duh!
Are you all braindead?

Let the nukes begin.

On the other hand, this might just blow over, excuse the pun. 15 minutes of fame. But unfortunately our society has become one of non-confrontational, and with the left screaming bloody murder (mind you they probably murder enough in their lifetimes from greed and corruption-but that's another post) no one wants to trust the US to do the right thing and shut this guy up.

It will be an interesting year. If we manage to pacify the Mulla of Iran, we'll roll over and go back to sleep, then be very afraid.

This culture is not known to follow the Geneva convention or "rules of engagement". Blowing up ones sons is a national treasure. We can only hope they either come to their senses or run out of sons, or virgins for that matter - love the comic strip.

It's almost like multi-level marketing. If you get two and they get two...eventually you'll be a millionaire, not knowing you need at least a base of 1.2 million down line to achieve this.

Dang, MLM is another post gotta keep on topic.

cheers
tom

H/T: SDA.

thursday, february 02, 2006

The Dutch Mohammed Photoshop Contest

Tempting fate (and fatwa), Dutch blog Retecool is running the Amazing Mohammed Photoshop Contest. Warning: may cause seething >>> via LGF
http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C
Posted by maz2 at February 2, 2006 09:54 PM

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Re-reading William Manchester's "Alone"

Wretchard

Excerpt:
At present the crisis is not a danger to the grand strategies of either. But as the days pass the danger grows that it may get out of hand; that some Islamic cell may detonate a bomb in Europe or some skinhead burn a mosque. And then the consequences may incalculable. For America an open antipathy between the West and Islam would destroy its carefully crafted attempt to ally itself with the Muslim street. It would place Washington in the intolerable position of having to choose between its old European allies and its newfound friends in the Middle East and Central Asia. For Europe the consequences would be no less disastrous because in following the policy of Appeasement its leaders have risked falling so far behind their publics that they now find themselves unable to steer the course of popular events. Europe is angry and Chirac, like Chamberlain after the Sudeten crisis, is too far behind the curve of popular opinion to seize its leadership. Chamberlain understood it and brought Churchill into his cabinet to bolster his credentials when he himself had none.

The Dutch blog Zacht Ei shows how far things have come in the space of a few days.

In a move which is both courageous and stupid, Dutch blogger 'Reet' (a Dutch colloquialism for 'ass') of the blog 'Retecool' (a Dutch colloquialism for, er, "really" cool) has started a Photoshop contest in which participants create parodies of Mohammed. The contest can be viewed here (a mirror can be found here).

A contest to humiliate Mohammed has been launched not in Texas, not in Israel but in the Netherlands. The Netherlands. Almost inconceivable. A smoldering match in a continent riddled with unassimilated Muslim enclaves. Now the European leaders who staked their careers on political correctness and oleagenous kowtowing to radical Islam find themselves unable to assert themselves. It's a moment when Nicolas Sarkozy or Hirsi Ali may count for more in dampening the anti-Mohammed wave than Chirac or Dominique de Villepin. The key challenge for the leaders of Europe is how to get out in front of their publics; hard because they are so far behind.

Yet the cartoon crisis has been cruelest to radical Islam because it has upset the timetable for the slow demographic conquest of Europe. It forced the crisis before the time was ripe to win an outright trial of strength. And it has deranged the carefully crafted plan to hold Europe politically neutral while the Islamists concentrated their force on their most dangerous enemy, the United States. Unless the Islamists can reverse or at least pause the process of confrontation it will find itself engaged on two fronts, against Europe and the United States simultaneously.

Like all historical comparisons this one is inexact. The world of the late 1930s can never be compared to the opening decade of the 21st century. Nazism is not Islam nor is Hitler Osama Bin Laden. But I think some valid correspondences still remain between the Phoney War and the period between September 11 to the present. Both are marked by an attempt to maintain a disintegrating status quo long after it became imperative to exchange it for a new model of relationships. Both are marked by miscalculation as political leaders find themselves struggling to overtake the tide of events. Both mark the end of the last boundaries between the familiar and the dark, unknown future. What did Churchill feel, one wonders, in those desperate days when he did not know the end yet went on?

‘I wonder what sort of a tale we’ve fallen into?’ said Sam. ‘I wonder,’ said Frodo. >>>
fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com

And now they have burned down the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Syria!!...how soon before this insanity come to Canada...do we wait for another 9/11 and another 3000, 4000 or 10000 deaths of inoocent civilians before we in North America do the cheapest thing all around ...DEPORT THEM ALL...NOW!!!
MASS DEPORTATION before we have a situation like France and the UK have right NOW..before it is too late.

Nice assement Mazz.

Great articles. The whole issue points to western civilization's vulnerabilities and complacencies. A cartoon (a match) sets of a firestorm of self-serving indignation that we in the western world find hard to understand and inconceivable. There is a sense of purpose and unity that exists in Islam that we most certainly don't have.
What concerns me is when oil consuming countries talk about weaning themselves off of Middle East oil, one of the responses of the Middle East could be to get rid of the competition, e.g. the tar sands. Oil revenues are their life-blood.

As the martian said in the comic movie Mars Atacks when asked by the President (Jack Nicholson) what do you want from us; "We want you to die..ARKK ARKK!!"
There is NO accomodation with these people; they out of their minds on a massive scale; it is the 14th century. Period.
The sooner we in North America realize this the sooner we stop wasting time, money and lives and do the ONLY thing we can..DEPORT THEM ALL NOW!
MASS DEPORTATION before we end up like France, the Netherlans or the UK today.

I love Victor Davis Hanson. This guy cuts to the chase. Sorta like Mark Steyn but different. When these guys speak I listen. I could name a few others.

I wish there were another way out of this mess but I don't think there is. There will be a world wide war with these barbarians from the Middle Ages. It's already started. This is the main reason I'm against firearm legislation. One day, if the nations of the Western World don't deal effectively with this situation, their citizens will. Canada will not be spared when that day arrives.

I agree with Al about the Tar Sands.

Kate: You're in error. It is entirely clear, it has always been clear, and it will continue to be clear. The left HATES western civilization, except for the creature comforts it provides.

I look on the Cartoon Caper as a very constructive developement. Multi-culti is now stone cold dead. Even the euro-effetes get it.

This story is about the rule of unintended consequences. The feckless west, long focused on its middle class guilt and fear and loathing, gets slapped in the face by the Islamists. But this is temporary. The Islamists are simply incoherently nuts. If not backed by the Americans, the Afghani jihad would have been destroyed as fast as a cruise missle wings to its target. The sane among the west, in other words the vast majority, need not fear these disorganized, immature cowards. If a couple of FBI pettifogers in Washington had done their job, Mohamed Atta would be rotting in jail, September 11, 2001 would have been another beautiful late summer day in NY and Washington. The Taliban of Europe have neither a foothold nor will they ever get one. It all about using the tools we have to assimilate. Surely everyone now knows that accomodating these nutbars any further is folly. I don't fear the Islamists and I don't like them either. Trudeau got it right in the 70's. We just need some more leaders ready to not accomodate and say, "Just watch me!"

We do have such a leader. His name is George Bush and with perhaps the best of intentions he's managed to throw a lot of gas on this fire. Most of the world sees an upsurge in terrorism as a consequence of operation Enduring Freedom. Only the party faithful seem blinkered to the connection.

John, Hear! Hear! on VHD, Steyn but different. There's also that great English physician-commentator, Darylrimple. Check him out if you're not familiar with him. A formidable mind.

Compliments on who above referred to 9/11 to now as the "Phony War": indeed.

Religion of Peace: Yes it is, in fact! In Islam there are two territories in the world: dar al-Harb (House of War) and dar al-Islam (House of Submission, or House of God). PEACE is when we're all in dar al-Islam. Multi-culti is war by the insalment plan; the failed attempt to introduce sharia law in Ontario was part of that war on the instalment plan.

Congratulations to the Globe for its editorial Feb. 4, "Their wild overreaction", and to Rex Murphy for his column, "In the name of God, stop the madness" (full texts are sadly not online).

From the editorial:

"The uproar underlines an alarming tendency in Islamic societies to lash out at the West at the slightest provocation. When a few simple drawings, however controversial, can trigger outrage from Cairo to Khartoum, it is clear that something is askew in the psyche of a civilization. To put it plainly, the Islamic world has a chip on its shoulder.

It is commonplace in the Islamic world to blame the West for nearly everything that goes wrong...

In truth, most of the Islamic world's problems - from economic stagnation to political paralysis, from the oppression of women to poor levels of eduction - are homegrown. By and large, these societies have failed to come to grips with the modern world and as a result have fallen far behind much of the rest of the planet..."

From Rex:

"...Whole swathes - not all, be it noted - of the Muslim world believe that if their religious sensibilities are offended, they have both the right and the duty to threaten violence and death to the offenders...

Furthermore, they are insisting that their values and their code apply outside their own religion and their own countries. It is astonishingly insolent. Considering the treatment that some in the press in some of those countries accord Christians and Jews - a recent mini-series on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Lebanon and Egypt, the frequent anti-Semitic editorial cartoons -it is levitatingly hypocritical as well...

It is worth noting that however offensive the cartoons of the Prophet may have been, they cannot be as offensive as the many real suicide bombings that have been executed in the Prophet's name...'

One member of the MSM earns its keep.

Mark
Ottawa

And a Mulsim view from Der Spiegel:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,398853,00.html

'Best-selling author and Muslim dissident Ibn Warraq argues that freedom of expression is our western heritage and we must defend it against attacks from totalitarian societies. If the west does not stand in solidarity with the Danish, he argues, then the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest...

"The cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten raise the most important question of our times: freedom of expression. Are we in the west going to cave into pressure from societies with a medieval mindset, or are we going to defend our most precious freedom -- freedom of expression, a freedom for which thousands of people sacrificed their lives?

A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth...

This raises another more general problem: the inability of the West to defend itself intellectually and culturally. Be proud, do not apologize. Do we have to go on apologizing for the sins our fathers? ..

How can we expect immigrants to integrate into western society when they are at the same time being taught that the west is decadent, a den of iniquity, the source of all evil, racist, imperialist and to be despised? Why should they, in the words of the African-American writer James Baldwin, want to integrate into a sinking ship? ..

Freedom of expression is our western heritage and we must defend it or it will die from totalitarian attacks. It is also much needed in the Islamic world. By defending our values, we are teaching the Islamic world a valuable lesson, we are helping them by submitting their cherished traditions to Enlightenment values."'

Quite.

H/t to "Arts and Letters Daily":
http://www.aldaily.com/

Mark
Ottawa

Jose,

You do realize the Enduring Freedom was the invasion of Afghanistan, right? Iraq was Iraqi Freedom.

"Wind 'em up tight!"

In keeping with Kate's 26 January recommendation:

'Watching the reaction from some in the "progressive" camp over Harper's habit of closing his speeches with "God Bless Canada", my suggestion to our incoming Prime MInister is this: Faster, Please.

'The greater part of the success of the Bush administration's ability to win elections lies, not in the electoral support of the so-called "religious right" (which is more media mythology than reality), but in their ability to provoke the "loony left" to come unhinged in front of ordinary Americans.

'When a conservative invokes God, no matter how generically, the left cannot help but expose their seething intolerance of all things Christian - thus, shining a spotlight on the highly selective nature of the "diversity" they champion.'

My question: Is there anyone out there any good at writing Muhammed limericks in Arabic?

Who is reclining on the theological La-Z-Boy?

"Not all those sympathetic to the insurgency in Iraq or resistance in Palestine are comfortable with the theological justification of suicide attacks on civilians."

From ""Insults and injuries", The Guardian (of course), Feb. 4:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1701935,00.html#article_continue

Mark
Ottawa

Jose: Bush throwing gas on the flames?

That is stuff and nonsense. Bush didn't cause the slaughter of 3000 innocents on 9/11. Bush responded with strength and resolve. You only need to listen to bin Laden who sees people as "strong horses" or "weak horses" -- that's all these medieval madmen understand. Bush inherited the legacy of decades of weak-horse appeasers (yes even Reagan cut and ran!) ending with his eminence hollywood-rock star-first black president-lip-biting feel-your-pain Clinton. And he's still at it, the seditious bastard.

Danish Muslims Threaten Violence if Koran is Burned

At the radical Islamic propaganda center IslamOnline.com, we learn of a Danish nationalist group’s plans to burn a Koran at a rally: Danish Muslims Warn of Burning Qur’an in Planned Rally. (Hat tip: Link Mecca.)

CAIRO, February 4, 2006 (IslamOnline.net) – Danish Muslim leaders warned on Saturday, February 4, of grave consequences if copies of the Noble Qur’an were burnt in a rally planned by Danish extremists to protest Muslim anger over cartoons mocking Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

“All hell will break loose, if those extremists burn the Qur’an,” Raed Halil, the head of the European Committee for Defending Prophet Muhammad, told IslamOnline.net over the phone from the Danish capital Copenhagen.

Burning the Danish embassy, however, is just fine. >>
LGF

Jose,
It's people that think LIKE YOU that are the real culprits in the WOT.

I'd like to suggest to you that you roll over, go back to sleep, while the real men and women go about eliminating this threat.

You can wax your balls too and marry your boyfriend while you're at it.

It is time that western democracies understand that there is a war on. Serious consideration to enforcing treason laws is warranted by the current climate. Scenes of British Muslims chanting slogans such as "UK you will pay" or signs referring to the "Fantastic Four" suicide terrorists of July 7th demand a response.
As time goes by these groups become stronger and bolder with each success. It is time we give them the fight they have been trying to pick with us for years. This is our society which they chose to join. We grant these new comers the same freedoms as all others. Some of them use them in order to fund wars, attack other religious groups, and try to turn their communities into annexes of the Middle East.
The radicals feel able to say and do what ever they please with no obligation to their "adopted" countries. If they are not willing to integrate with western society they must be removed or destroyed.
I will not tolerate a foreign man with a foreign religion, and foreign customs and laws attempt to impose these tings on me or my society. When he came here he knew of our customs, laws, and beliefs. If he found them objectionable he should not have come or should leave. If he has chosen to request and has been granted membership in western society through citizenship he must meet the obligations and standards of behavior that citizenship brings with it. If he actively works against the society he has adopted such as the Kadar family he is guilty of betrayal and should be charged with treason.
Internally it is the police who must defend us. They are not right now. If they were they would apply the law. If they government was performing its duty it would order the police to apply the law. This would cause riots or worse. However, it is better to make your enemy respond to you, rather than you to your enemy.
As a member of the armed forces I am prepared to use violence to defend our western society and beliefs from attack. It is time for myself and colleges to be let of the leash and get this war over with. Several groups and counties are doing all they can to undermine and weaken us from within and without. Europe's handling of the Nazi problem shows what we can expect if we wait. With the stakes set by the Iranian nuclear programme the problem with the Nazis could well end up being small in comparison.
The response to some simple cartoons has done wonders unmasking the savage in our midst. Now we must act. We all owe a debt of gratitude to the staff of Jyllands-Posten.

What if you don't subscribe to any religion but unrestrained neanderthal theocratic mob politics puts you in a position where your civil sensibilities are intolerant of this? It's not socially sentient demonstration, it's not principled dissent, its frenzied tribalism focused at warring with anyone or anything that is not "with" the mob.

I swear if this unevolved monkey crap ever happens in this nation I will be pushing for mass deportations of the sypathetic and the agitators.

Again the domestic Muslim leadership who are supposed to be so evolved and beyond the politics of the mob and terrorism have been conspicuously silent in condemning such barbaric behaviours.

Mark, I too was impressed by that great column by Rex. I can't imagine that anyone at the Globe or the CBC even talk to him. He seems so completely outside their respective company lines.

the cartoon proved its point

Perhaps the CBC will make a film of Mohammed having his gonads waxed.

On a more serious note, the Danes deserve our support and admiration. There was a time when Canadians were known for standing by their friends and allies. In response to Muslim threats, perhaps the blogosphere should launch a "buy Danish" campaign?

I am on my way out to buy a block of Danish Havarti, a delicious cheese.

The Danish embassy lists its email address as ottamb@um.dk -- a brief email note of support, saying that a purchase has been made might be an idea.

Mark Proudman

An update: Ibn Warraq has in fact renounced Islam. The Spiegel identification was deceptive. Read his reasons:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s386913.htm

Mark
Ottawa

Malloy, re: "do we wait for another 9/11 and another 3000, 4000 or 10000 deaths of inoocent civilians before we in North America do the cheapest thing all around ...DEPORT THEM ALL...NOW!!!
MASS DEPORTATION before we have a situation like France and the UK have right NOW..before it is too late."

Malloy, I beg to differ. There are many peaceful law-abiding Muslims who do not deserve this type of suspicion and treatment. It is the extremists who must be targetted and dealt with. Sadly, Western/European governments have been too lenient, too lax in dealing with the extremists, but obviously this must change and soon. What would help would be more support from the moderate Muslim world in speaking out and putting the hotheads in their place. I can understand why individual moderates may be reluctant to speak out, since they may have relatives in ME or Islamic countries, but certainly the moderate leaders should be more front and center in opposing the extremists.

Western and European governments need to bring much more presure on the governments of western-friendly Islamic nations to bring extremists within their borders under control.

As for those Islamic nation governments who are openly anti-western and advocating/supporting terrorism and jihad, the only solution there will likely be UN led sanctions or more likely military action to oust the extremists.

anonymous_sailo: There was no "invasion" of Afghanistan.

Before the fall of Kabul to the insurgent Afghan Northern Alliance in November 2001, and the consequent collapse of the Taliban regime, there were no foreign regular combat formations in Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance did receive air support and assistance from special forces (both US and British); that however is not an invasion. Substantial foreign ground combat forces--including Canadian--only entered the country after the Taliban had been deposed by indigenous Afghan forces, and those foreign troops entered with the agreement of the Northern Alliance.

This is no mere semantic quibble. Describing what the US and UK did in Afghanistan as an "invasion" tends to equate those actions in people's minds with the real invasion of Iraq. That equation implicitly and wrongly calls into question the legitimacy of NATO and Coalition actions in Afghanistan, which have been authorised by the UN Security Council.

Mark
Ottawa

As I expected this rubbish about not showing pictures of Mohamed is selective crap.

I came across a site (via The Gates of Vienna) that shows many pictures of Mohamed – lots of them are Islamic. It also shows what might be the three phony cartoons that may be at the heart of this Moslem - breaking news - “outrage”. These hapless bozos are the most unstable, insecure, easy to manipulate, losers imaginable. Please check out this site:
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

IMHO, the left IS clear about whose side they are on.

The Baathists (sp?) are a national socialist party (as were the German Nazis).

The left love Castro and Chavez.

The left has never met a dictator they did not like or at the very least appease.

Eason Jorden (the head of CNN at the time) admitted to being blackmailed by Sadam in the NY Times and THAT was ignored and excused.

February 03, 2006
A Fatwa a Day Keeps the Jihad Away

Yesterday afternoon it looked, for a time, like the first official fatwa had been issued against The Jawa Report's own Dread Pundit Bluto. On closer examination it turns out that Bluto gave himself a fatwa. Doesn't he know that fatwaing yourself makes you go blind?

Here is some more fatwa worthy material. Again, if you sit on a Shura council or are a Mullah, please be specific as to which Jawa Report author gets the fatwa. If you are one of the elusive 'moderate' Muslims we keep hearing about, then sorry to offend you. But, better to offend the moderate and expose the extremist than to forever pretend that the extremist doesn't exist.

(NSFW) Pigs and Muhammed (follow link) and Muhammed eating flying pigs.

A goat and Muhammed over at No Mayo.

Since Zombie's server got overloaded our good friend Beth backed up the archive of Muhammed images through history.

Remember Piss Christ? Sobek has Piss Muhammed.

>> http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/155412.php

My above comments to Malloy notwithstanding, I must add that I agree with the sentiments expressed by Mr. Mullen and Mackenzie Redux above.
Well put.

Joe "canuck" (I doubt it)
Look mate we cannot screw around anymore with the muslims. It is too dangerous. We cannot sift through lists of islamists and say oh maybe this one is moderate or maybe slightly extremely moderate or moderately extreme or extremely moderate today, maybe not tomorrow but maybe yes next month or next year. etc etc etc
IT TAKES TOO MUCH TIME and costs WAY too much money. The enemy is AMONG us and as long as it is permitted to co-exist the threat to us is very serious right NOW!
When will they strike here; how many will they kill this time.... Who is responsible if thousands of innocent civilians living their lives peacefully are immolated tomorrow?
This threat must expunged forever. NOW!

Ironically WWIV or (is it V now) started over a cartoon.

Just goes to show you what a bunch of clowns we got deciding earth's future.

WW1 was started with a single gun/bullet, so we got a single cartoon.

Future historians will state:
"Indeed the pen is mighter than the sword."

I say Nuke Iran just in time for the Super Bowl commericals. Of course I"m kidding, but as the bumper sticker said:

"a nuke a day keeps the terrorists away"

Then again another one said:
"nukes have a habit of messing up your day"...

cheers
tom

"Mohammed, Prophet of Islam is known as the "Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. Nothing can be further from the truth.

This article is just one of a series that I will be publishing regarding sadistic cruel nature of Prophet Mohammed. In this article I will prove once again, that Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death"

I have read all of the links on this and it becomes clear to me that islam is a bogus religious movement. They claim that mohammed is the word of god but with the truth on his conquests he is a terrorist! My opinion on islam has been strengthened by this to the effect that this cult needs to be banned in the western hemisphere. A terrorist has taken the words of Jesus and distorted his reasoning for the conquest and creation of a totaliritarian regime. Mohammed is a terrorist dictator and totally against all of Jesus's teachings; and as such the muslim cult must be banned in Canada.

Everything I have found about The War of the 12 Cartoons ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here-

--link-

Scroll backwards to find them all

Well I gues I'm losing patience with, ahem "extremists" of all types.

I believe in: don't get mad...get even.

And the more sand gets kicked in my face, well lets just say I don't give a fuck who gets their religion insulted.

BIG sticks a comming down....

Iran contracts decree fans Prophet cartoon furor

TEHRAN (AFP) - The international outcry over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed has intensified as Iran said it would cancel deals with countries in which newspapers had reproduced the images.

The list, which already included Denmark, where the 12 caricatures first appeared last year, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway and Spain, expanded Saturday to take in New Zealand and Poland...

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=47723&highlight=iran

The new Conservative government could deal with two problems for the price of one by immediately relocating the entire Canadian feminist appartchik to the Middle East as part of its commitment to increasing foreign aid.

Arab-European League will launch Cartoon campaign (first one denying Holocaust)
AEL ^ | February 04 2006

Posted on 02/04/2006 1:13:11 PM PST by knighthawk

After the lectures that Arabs and Muslims received from Europeans on Freedom of Speech and on Tolerance. And after that many European newspapers republished the Danish cartoons on the Prophet Mohammed. AEL decided to enter the cartoon business and to use our right to artistic expression.

Just like the newspapers in Europe claim that they only want to defend the freedom of speech and do not desire to stigmatise Muslims,we also do stress that our cartoons are not meant as an offence to anybody and ought not to be taken as a statement against any group, community or historical fact.

If it is the time to break Taboos and cross all the red lines, we certainly do not want to stay behind. >>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571877/posts

The cartoon here:
http://www.rapp.org/url/?W5IPFJGN

If I remember correctly the U.S. was attacked on 9/11. Which means, war was declared on the U.S.A. Not only was it attacked but the cowards used American citizens and American planes to do their dirty work. No country, well maybe Canuckstan, would sit on their duffs and turn the other cheek. The U.S took the war to them. It's too damn bad they didn't have the guts to demolish everthing. No-one wants to see citizens of these countries killed, but how the hell do stop this without the death of innocents. And, who are the innocents? Try as you might - your not going to be able to figure out the good seed from the bad. It is a problem that we in this country are going to have to deal with. I believe in freedom of religion. This nation was built on Christian values because that was the values that our fore-fathers brought with them from France, Britain and Europe. Like it or not they are Christian and the majority in this country adhere to those values whether we are religious or not. I am so fed up with these political nut cases that are offended by the statement - God Bless Canada. I have spent most of my life in the study of world religions. Some of the philosophies I have adapted to my own life. I have come to realize that all religions had something to add to civilization, but I have never been able to find anything in the Islamic religion that has given some sense of stability or righteousness to this world. It was founded on barbarism and from the looks of it - it has not matured into anything other.

We are going to have to make a choice very soon. Do we allow more into this country. There is no way you can get truth out of people who have spent their lives in denial and brainwashing. How do we look at our Islamic neighbours that live in our communities. I can tell you how we will be looking at them - with alot of skepticism. So what do we do? When you cannot figure out who your enemy is you must take the exceptional other option. They will all be condemned. We will have to deport them regardless if they have become Canadian citizens.
Now, you go ahead and condemn me for being racist. That's all well and good, but when the chips are down we will all become quite fierce in the protection of our love ones. It is a great future we have ahead but it is one we will not be able to ignore or hope that our national gentility can overcome. There won't be any national gentility.

A cult by any name is a cult never the less. I reserve the right as a free man to ridicule any and all cults. I just bought some Tuborg beer and a nice hunk of cheese. Islam wants a war? Bring it on!

There's also that great English physician-commentator, Darylrimple

Yikes! John, I love Darylrimple.

He can be found at City Journal:

http://www.city-journal.org/

(Hit the search authors tab.)

He's the British equivalent to Charles Krauthammer. Both are psychiatrists. Darylrimple is a better writer who lays bare the stupidity of the Liberal pc and multi-culti nonsense that has infected Britian. (We have our work cut out taking back our English speaking heritage from these leftists moonbats in the US, Canada and Britain.)

Muslim stores in Toronto are boycotting Danish goods. They are pulling them off the shelves and disgarding them. Has everyone got this picture! What will it take for the Lefties here on this board and elsewhere in Canauckstan to understand what is going on. Do you not believe it is about time we boycott our delightful convenience stores that are run by the Muslim - Canadians to express our displeasure at them standing up for the Barbaric actions of a few. Maybe the few are acting out but it seems that the many are with them. Since we don't have the weapons that these Muslim idiots have then we can attack where it really hurts - in the pocket book. Oh, but that does sound cruel doesn't it Joe Canuck.

This will make sure no western govt gives aid of any kind to Hammas. Seems like Iran is imposing their own sanctions by breaking deals. Time to get tough and face the facts many have been telling us for years. This is a war on our civilization. Jews were rounded up in Germany, Japanese in the US and Canada. (at least we didn't kill them) Time to round up all Islamic followers in Canada and the US and the rest of the western world. Europe better open their eyes, after insulting the US for years, they will come crying help us. To hell with them. Muslims are destroying anything danish. Lets send them to Hans Island. Stop all immigration from muslim countries, deport all those in Canada and the US, stop doing business with any business owned by a muslim. Close their schools.
Seize their assets if any money or goods has been sent back home. Tell them, WE WONT TAKE IT ANYMORE. You want to live in Canada, be a Canadian. There will soon be a census in Canada, so we will be able to identify all of these terrorists. If these crazies riot outside of their own country I hope the police and army take appropriate action, with machine guns, and slaughter the bunch of them. Until they are killed in action this will continue. Maybe they will think (if they are capable of such a thing) twice before rioting again. Those not killed should be arrested on put on a Sea King for a trip over the Atlantic and dumped. And, where are all those virgins coming from. Too bad someone who communicates with the other side cant make contact so these idiots would learn their friends are burning in Hell. John Ashcroft said it best. Christianity-God sent his only Son to die for us, Islam-send your son to die for them. And to think mothers encourage their sons to do this. When Osama straps a bomb on, or the clerics strap on bombs, maybe I will change my mind. Thank God we have Harper and not Martin or Graham to deal with this. Martin would give them all refugee status in Canada and say, what good little boys you are. This should end multiculturism once and for all.

I can tell you how we will be looking at them - with alot of skepticism.

Amen to that. What disturbs me is that none of the alleged "moderate" Muslims here(US), there and anywhere have taken to the streets in mass protest against Islamic homicidal abominations. Maybe they aren't free to do that in the ME, but they sure as hell are protected in Europe and NA.

Their silence is deafening. I would have left Christianity if it was as barbarian. I would have demanded reform.

I've got to admit I want Muslims out of the US entirely. I never thought I would ever make such a statement in my lifetime about anyone. What more evidence does the insane leftists of the "all cultures are equal" crowd need to see that Islam is a fascist cult bend on our disruction? It will never assimilate into the values of a secular democracy.

Thank God for the internet(and Kate) that Yanks and Canadians have a forum of common values.

and "canadians" demontrating in halifax.
ship them back.

Give the guns to the Ladies we will get the problem solved. LOL.

Satirical comment is the right of free people.
Religion, politics, business, societal groups of any description have no protection and in fact deserve none.
The nature of the Islamist response tells us all we need to know about their committment to freedom.

Our free society owes these people nothing and yet they wish to impose their will on us.

I resist.

Yes, Malloy, I am a 'Canuck'. At times, I have to admit I am not very proud of it, especially when our own government nutbars insult Pres. Bush and Americans in general over issues like Afghanistan and Iraq. That aside, hopefully Canadians and Americans will no longer be insulted by the dittsy likes of Carolyn Parrish, or Paul Martin trying to score voters by bashing one of the few leaders in this world (GW Bush) who has had the guts to stand up to the Islamofascist trash.

Yes, it will be difficult if not impossible to separate out all the shades of Islamic mindsets as you point out. But we have to try, or we are no better than the fanatics we are trying to protect ourselves from. And there are things western governments could be doing right now to send the proper message to extremists/terrorists, but they are not. For example there are several hundred known dangerous criminals, extremists, and terrorists is Canada right now, who are evading deportation orders. There are known terrorists in Canada who have been fighting deportation (on our dime) through our courts, some for over 10 years. Why has the Liberal gov't. allowed this to go on for so long? It seems to me that a good place to start would be to clean up the mess in this area that the Liberals have left us with. Thank goodness Paul Martin is gone. His pathetic stance with respect to the Kahdrs for example ("Well, they are entitled to their own opinions") simply uderscored his governments' inability to deal with the threats properly.

Stern action where stern action is warranted, yes, Malloy. But please, do not make the mistake of joining in on lynch mob mentality, and harming innocent people in the process. That is not our way, Malloy. It IS however, the way of the extremists and terrorists.

Sigh. Eventually Western Civilization will have had enough of these barbarians. When that happens I would not want to be standing too close to any of their leaders. We know who they all are. And we know where they are.

Think about it. Could anyone be more vulnerable?

Now think about something else. Think about the politicians who want to disarm all of us "peace loving citizens".

Now ask yourself a question. Who's side do you think these politicians are on?

Democracy in a Cartoon

Muslim apostate writer Ibn Warraq defends the West: Democracy in a Cartoon. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

The great British philosopher John Stuart Mill wrote in On Liberty, “Strange it is, that men should admit the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their being ‘pushed to an extreme’; not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case.”

The cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten raise the most important question of our times: freedom of expression. Are we in the west going to cave into pressure from societies with a medieval mindset, or are we going to defend our most precious freedom — freedom of expression, a freedom for which thousands of people sacrificed their lives?

A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

Unless, we show some solidarity, unashamed, noisy, public solidarity with the Danish cartoonists, then the forces that are trying to impose on the Free West a totalitarian ideology will have won; the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest. Do not apologize.

http://www.rapp.org/url/?ZKEDCFO
der spiegel via LGF

the Amazing Retecool (Dutch)

http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C

Way back, I said the press is free to do so, but not a wise time when so many muslems are just looking for a reason to flare up.

I had no idea , to be honest, of just how steamed the fundamentalists were and how mad supression has made them.

There is a large progressive population in Iran who want to continue their yuppie goals.
I wonder how long it will be before they get organized and take back their country.

The burning of several embassies and the targeting of whole countries for Jihad Muslem boycott, all due to a little comic disrespect.

Power of the press and playing with fire. TG

Any idea or bets on how the Canadian Gov't will be "Confronting Barbarism"?

The US gov't has come out on the side of the mullahs.

Hmmm! Well to borrow a bon mot from an earlier thread (was it maz2?),

"If your opponent is of a choleric temperament, seek to irritate him" - Sun Tzu

I figure, if we're determined to perfect the "Killing Joke", as per Monty Python, we could do worse than this: -

{Excuse me if this has been linked already, but here's a very piquant bit of, if you will, 'black humour', on the mores of a "significant minority" of our Muslim brethren}: -

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19093_Its_In_The_Koran&only

It's both commentary on and links to, a rather elegant 'Gilbert & Sullivan'-like vid/audio, IMHO very very clever, and albeit perhaps 'gallows-humour', - to me its hilarious.

Actually haven't had a such a laugh about what we're (ALL OF US IN THE WEST!) facing since that report a few years back (AP stringer) out of Gaza about Israeli Defence Force women stripping on their tanks in front of impressionable youths, then whipping a pistol out of their G-strings to gun down the so-entranced lads. Heh.

but this vid. Wow. And verse by verse accurate well beyond the 'wince' factor...
You sure won't see it on MSM, so go, enjoy! Good commentary by the filmmaker and others on the rationales and motivation for its creation, too...(available in Quicktime, WMP, etc...instant play on highspeed)

Just might be the next 'meme' in this shortcut we're taking in the Great Clash of Civilizations..

Gosh. Fancy me being on the same side as the White House and Westminster on this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=376117&in_page_id=1770
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2006-02-03T202815Z_01_N03197247_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-USA.xml&archived=False

Walk into a biker bar, go up to the guy with the tattoos and tell him you just (had sex with) his mother. After he stomps you senseless, maybe with some of his buddies piling on, ask yourself this:

"Who's the asshole?"

The ME is that bar. (I note that the protests in Europe are of a different order entirely.) If you're going to create a provocation, don't be surprised if someone gets provoked.

Uh, Europe is the "bar", here, no? Europe is where the cartoons were published.

so where is the outrage from the "normal" and peace loving islamists?

In the collection of Mohammed offensive drawings,
I think the "Dali" of Mohammed is kinda cool.
and of course the selection showing Mohammed's left ball hanging out of his swim trunks.... ufff.

I am getting this idea, that the rule of no depictions of Mohammed is not from the Koran, it is just the dogma, like Catholics had regarding not eating meat on friday, oh yeah, "fish isn't meat"

I had no idea the Danes made such excellent cheeze,
but I always liked B+O stereos and teak furniture.

There are a number of Danish speaker manufacturers who make superb speakers. Dynaudio's bookshelf speakers, for example, once they've been broken in for a few hundred hours, are a really, really great speaker, with a really honest midrange.

Yeah, sure, EBD, except that Europe isn't where the violence is going on. Just protests, boycotts, all the sorts of things that I thought were allowable dissent in a liberal democracy. No?

The ME, on the other hand, is a violent place. Being smart-ass there can get you killed.

UPDATE: But as usual, The Onion was ahead of the curve. This is from 1997:

Crazed Palestinian Gunman Angered by Stereotypes

HEBRON, WEST BANK—In an emotionally charged press conference Monday, crazed Palestinian gunman Faisal al Hamad expressed frustration over the stereotyping of his people.

Enlarge ImageCrazed Palestinian Gunman Angered By Stereotypes

Faisal al Hamad, seen here shrieking anti-U.S. slogans, says that "not every crazed Palestinian gunman is exactly alike."

"As a crazed Palestinian gunman, I feel hurt by the negative portrayal of my people in the media," said al Hamad, 31, a Hebron-area terrorist maniac. "None of us should have to live with stereotyping and ignorance."

He then began screaming and firing into a busload of Israeli schoolchildren.

"It hurts that in this supposedly enlightened day and age, people still make assumptions about other people," al Hamad said. "We should not rely on simple generalizations. Each crazed Palestinian gunman is an individual."

Al Hamad said that he himself has often been unfairly stereotyped. "Any time I enter a crowded temple with fully loaded AK-47s in both hands, people just assume I'm going to open fire," he said. "That really hurts."

"Yes, I sometimes do gun people down in the name of the One True God," he noted. "But there is so much more to me."

Life imitating art imitating life. (Thanks to reader Brian Sament for the link). > Here:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39190
via instapundit

Goading >>>>> does stupid things

Hmmm! Well to borrow a bon mot from an earlier thread (was it maz2?),

"If your opponent is of a choleric temperament, seek to irritate him" - Sun Tzu

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
For goading, go here:

the Amazing Retecool (Dutch)

http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Red River said...

Wretchard,

The Dutch are brilliant at goading others into doing dumb things.

William of Orange incited the pamphleteers into demonizing Charles and incited a near-rebellion that brought William to power.

William later goaded France and Louis XIV into pulling the trigger early on France's many plans to take over Spain and England's empire.

Denmark, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, and England are where European democracy and capitalism were born while France and Spain groaned under the yoke of despotism.

Freedom runs very deep in Northern Europe!! >>
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136206&postID=113904825134206942

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/15/wqueen15.xml

"Queen Margrethe II of Denmark has called on the country "to show our opposition to Islam", regardless of the opprobium such a stance provokes abroad."

She continues:

"We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy.

"We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance."

"And when we are tolerant, we must know whether it is because of convenience or conviction." "

"If you're going to create a provocation, don't be surprised if someone gets provoked".

So what would your solution be when someone considers, say, the consumption of pork to be a provocation? Or considers your wife's exposed face as a provocation? Who would be causing the problem in those scenarios? And what reasonable person would say in response, "hey, if you're going to create a provocation, don't be surprised if someone gets provoked".

Dr. Dawg, about "liberal democracy"...
"The whole history of the world is summed up in the fact that, when nations are strong, they are not always just, and when they wish to be just, they are no longer strong." Winston Churchill. Sometimes, you simply HAVE GOT to kick ass if you want your society to continue forward.

I keep hearing that Islam is a religion of peace. Well... either that or it's not.

I personally think Islam CHOCK-FULL of misogynistic, paternalist, good-for nuthin' sons 'a bitches, all of whom are just itching to start rioting and set a few more tens-of-thousands of cars on fire, and that's just in Europe.

So what's going to happen in the liberal democracies of western Europe? Either the Muslim unrest continues to escalate (most probable), or the authorities show considerable courage and come down on the S.O.B.s BIGTIME (less probable; see Churchill quotation above). Or... do ya s'pose the common, traditional, NON-Muslim people of western Europe would take up the challenge, as it were, that these annoying Muslim jerks have laid down? Naw, that would take some guts to... you know... answer them in a fashion they would understand.

Suggest anybody out there who hasn't read Mark Steyn's article "It's the Demography, Stupid" looks it up posthaste; great read.

I guess these western European democracies could wait until they turn into Chechnya, with Copenhagen filling the role of Beslan, the Eiffel Tower and Arc de Triomphe doing W.T.C. duty, etc,... hmmm... no Todd Beamers to be found "over there", I fear.

Actually, Joe, the editors and, yes, cartoonists who are graciously hanging onto the diamond that is free speech seem mostly to be found "over there" at the moment.

Our stereotypes of Europe are being challenged by recent events. I have doubts that the line would be drawn so courageously "over here", even though we're dealing with a milder and, by and large, a more assimilated bunch of people.

Anyway you slice it, Islamists are going to have to understand this: In the west, murder is not a reasonable response to being insulted by a cartoon. Ever.

I agree with most of Joe Canuck's comment to Malloy, but what I want to know is how we try to separate out all the shades of Islamic mindsets. We must try, or we are no better than the fanatics we are trying to protect ourselves from. Come on - let's get real here. We let them in, we give them lodging, food, allowances until they are settled. They are able to keep their culture, start their schools, build their mosques and then spit in our faces. Their brethern back in the old country are carrying on like a bunch of medeaval barbarians, and you don't hear the Imans or the ordinary people breathing a word about this. Ever wonder why. You see they agree with them, how else but to change our Western Society are they going to be able to take over the infidels. Your comments are just another version of this sick politically correct - bleeding heart society. You might have it watered down a bit but you are adhering to the nonsense that they spout on MSM. Enough already, these Muslims in our country had better get their act together shortly or we will forget we are a polite people. It's long past time to deport that Kadhr family, get these so called refugees through the courts and on the next boat out of here. It's quite apparent to me that you certainly were'nt around during the second world war. Well we didn't know our enemies then either, so the next best thing was to round them up and keep them in a safe place. Not so much for their safety than for ours. Believe it or not those immigrants at that time understood the reasoning for it. It's just the modern era citizens that seem not to understand. So - what must we do to appease their offspring - pay them or apologize. Well my friend, this is going to happen again. Just wait until we are attacked, and then we will see how all that correct jibberish you have been spouting will change.

Having worked in the ME in the mid seventies I am of the mind the infidels are several decades late in unleashing the nuclear dogs.

Jypsy ontario, there are quite a few steps we can take before we have to "round up the whole lot of them" as you imply.

Deport the hundreds currently under deportation orders NOW.

Stop allowing known terrorists from abusing our hospitality, our wallets, and our courts for years on end, and once and for all deport this trash.

Under the liberals, terrorists have had a much easier time with Canadian Immigration and our judicial system, than have perfectly harmless people who simply happened to overstay their visitors visas. This sort of BS should have been stopped years ago, but the Liberals were too stupid and too corrupt to make the necessary corrections.

Reverse the current policy of allowing virtually anyone of ME or Islamic origins into our country. Screening has to be much more stringent, but even the most rigorous screening won't catch all the bad apples at the gates. Once allowed in to Canada, newcomers should be asked to study, understand, and respect our laws and customs and should be on a probationary period. Make it known to them that we will not tolerate those who support, sympathise with, or join extremist groups, cults, or religions. Deport those who don't fit the bill.

Christians don't make fun of other people's religion. It's that "do unto others..." thing. And if someone does need correcting due to offensive behaviour a Christian sure doesn't do it with childish cartoons.

But then it's obvious these scribes aren't Christian. So, the loony tunes can be forgiven for being ignorant.

Looks like the Phoney War in Europe is over.
Time for the main event.

"So what would your solution be when someone considers, say, the consumption of pork to be a provocation? Or considers your wife's exposed face as a provocation? Who would be causing the problem in those scenarios? And what reasonable person would say in response, 'hey, if you're going to create a provocation, don't be surprised if someone gets provoked'."

It seems that common sense departs when there are fresh, juicy Muslims to bait. Of course, this is a matter of degree, EBD, as you well know. There's a difference between making jokes, say, about the Catholic confessional and depicting Christ sodomizing a child in a series of cartoons anent the pedophile priest scandal. The one would no doubt offend some people. The other would elicit demonstrations, boycotts and no doubt recourse to Canada's hate speech laws.

Depicting Mohammed is by itself an act of sacrilege to believing Muslims, terrorists or not. As you should know, it's considered idolatrous. Going further and mocking him is the icing on the cake.

As I think I have noted, most Muslims are just ordinary folks trying to get by like anyone else. This slap in the face has prompted demonstrations and boycotts in Europe. If you like freedom of speech, why shouldn't European Muslims have some of it too? Is the right to dissent only for newspaper editors?

The ME is a powderkeg, on the other hand. Anyway, I've shot my bolt on this mess over at my place.

Joe, I can point to passages in the Bible that are homophobic, misogynist, paternalist, vengeful and so on. Some Christians, judging from the same-sex marriage debate, are right behind them. The point is that we should look at the average, not the extreme, in both religions.

Depicting Mohammed is by itself an act of sacrilege to believing Muslims, terrorists or not. As you should know, it's considered idolatrous. Going further and mocking him is the icing on the cake.

So what. It's a damn picture not worth killing people over. They need to get over it. In the west we run across offensive images - Piss Christ, for example - from time to time. Jews are systematically vilified in Arab newspapers and textbooks daily. No hypocisy there!

The irony is that Mohammed with a bomb in his turban is so damn apt. Why should a non-Muslim self-censor himself if that image is his perception of Islam. The Muslim nutballs have certainly reinforced the image.

If you like freedom of speech, why shouldn't European Muslims have some of it too?

Thay have. Perhaps you missed the irony of British police guarding the protestors with their vile murderous threatening posters on the streets of London. They are free to write lettors to the editor. They are free to appear on radio and tv. They are free to write books. They are free to have a protest march. They did.

Muslims are very adept in utilizing our freedoms in the west while employing murder and mayham too. I could give a damn about their sensitivies. 3000+ of my countrymen died hideous deaths because they were infidels worthy of destruction.

Those Mohammed cartoons should have been more offensive.