Watching the reaction from some in the "progressive" camp over Harper's habit of closing his speeches with "God Bless Canada", my suggestion to our incoming Prime MInister is this: Faster, Please.
The greater part of the success of the Bush administration's ability to win elections lies, not in the electoral support of the so-called "religious right" (which is more media mythology than reality) , but in their ability to provoke the "loony left" to come unhinged in front of ordinary Americans.
When a conservative invokes God, no matter how generically, the left cannot help but expose their seething intolerance of all things Christian - thus, shining a spotlight on the highly selective nature of the "diversity" they champion.
The Paul Martin Liberals started well down this path during the last election campaign, the last few days illustrated by the bizarre behavior and "warnings" (abortion! child labour!) erupting from the leader himself. What Conservatives can do now is to quietly keep pushing them along on that path. With a little luck, and the inevitable cheerleading from media, a few more "God Bless"'s might just encourage the type of Harper "Derangement Syndrome" from "progressives" that helps keep US Democrats out of office.
See above.
Addendum:
Fact Checking the Calgary Herald:
Gore warned that Harper wants to remove Canada from the Kyoto accord, which the United States signed under former president Bill Clinton, but has refused to ratify under President George W. Bush.
See also: Who knew Beausejour was in Texas?
Green Canuck to Gore: "Right on, dude!"
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How did such a scary-looking guy EVER manage to invent our beloved Internet?
Oh, and I love how disconnected his comments are from reality.
Posted by: Mike H at January 26, 2006 12:27 PMSo true.
It's not just big oil (although his transition manager, Derek Birney was appointed to Trans Canada Pipeline) it's also the big defense and areospace contractors that Birney works for.
The average guy can vote for a party but the real power is the money.
New government...new lobbyists/masters and bills to pay.
Posted by: steve at January 26, 2006 12:33 PMYeah, I'm sure that $1000 is enough to put Harper in their back pocket
Posted by: Andrew at January 26, 2006 12:34 PMEspecially when Harper wants to ban all union/corporate donations with the Accountibility Act
Posted by: braaten at January 26, 2006 12:37 PMAndrew - its a $5,000 cap for corporations, but the point is taken.
Speaking of which, has anyone seen an article comparing the relatives merits of the US polictical funding system versus the new Canadian one?
No surprise seeing Gore flinging accusations about politicians being beholden to monied interests - its what he's used to.
JasperPants
Posted by: JasperPants at January 26, 2006 12:40 PMMaybe if Mr. Harper had the money "blessed" by Buddhist monks prior to accepting it everything would have been cool.
Posted by: Shawn at January 26, 2006 12:41 PMThank god that guy is not my president! You know the democratic paty of the pre-late 60s was actually pretty level headed. Now they are a bunch of nuts!
Posted by: sherwood Baker at January 26, 2006 12:45 PM
Living proof that the left is histerically
deranged. The evil Bush and the evil Harper.
How have they become so deranged? Histeria
is their only response to anything these days.
Also, Gore shows he knows nothing about Canada;
he's living in hid own fantasy world.
With Al Sore-loser chiming in and Fat Pantload Moore putting in his two cents last week, all we need now to complete the Looney Left Trifecta is to hear from Peace Mom Cindy...
Posted by: Bruce Strang at January 26, 2006 12:48 PMGore couldn't even carry his own State of Tennessee in 2000. What a power base he has.
Think he's been sipping the same Kool-Aid some of the Libs have been into these last couple of years.
Now that guy is scary!!!
Posted by: Robert at January 26, 2006 12:49 PMPoliticians should have to take IQ tests - and get at least 120.
Posted by: Candace at January 26, 2006 12:51 PMDoes anyone remember SCTV? For you young ones you can rent SCTV DVD's (Bob and Doug Mackenzie)
One skit that starred John Candy was Dr' Tongues 3D house of.... (name any liberal attack ad)
The 3D movies were supposed to be scary but of course they never were.
"Dr Tongue's 3D house of childcare ooohh wasn't that scary ooohhh I bet your scared."
"Dr Tongue's 3D house of GeorgeBush ooohh wasn't that scary ooohhh I bet your scared."
"Dr Tongue's 3D house of MilitaryOfficers ooohh wasn't that scary ooohhh I bet your scared."
LMFAO
Democrats . . their own best enemy !!!
Posted by: Fred at January 26, 2006 1:02 PMActually JasperPants its $1000 for corporations and $5000 for personal contributions. Get your facts straight before you start correcting others.
Posted by: braaten at January 26, 2006 1:03 PMCan someone please tell me what an "ultra-conservative" is? I keep hearing/reading this term describing Harper which strikes me as patently false.
What is it that these left wingers expect? Are you only worthy if you sell your sole to their leftist agenda? I'm starting to get a little tired of being in the same room getting sprayed by their spittle every time someone has the temerity to disagree with their vacuous view of the world. Why can socialists not take a chance and try to think outside of the box for a change. They have completely stunted dialogue and debate in this country. What's more important, working together to make this a better country or unquestioning devotion to a set of unworkable ideals?
Posted by: potato at January 26, 2006 1:03 PMone question: who drew Al Gore out of hiding, shaved him, put him in front of a podium, and thought that anyone would care what he has to say?
As far as Kyoto is concerned, certianly i'm not the only one who recognizes that it has done little but establish a global market for the trade of pollution rights. Frankly, I'd like to think that maybe, with the step we've taken in this election, that we can move away from being a country that immediatly cow-tows to whatever the international consensus maybe at that moment.
Also, I'd really like to see some hard science backing global warming. So, far all the research that I've done has shown that there are good points on both sides of the debate, and that global warming has become the most politicized issue science. Science is not supposed to be politicized.
All i want is some conclusive evidence that the sky really is falling, before we go ahead and cripple our economy, is that too much to ask?
It's still all about the oil. Don't these wackos have any other tunes?
I wonder if it is possible for Harper to sue Gore and take this snivelling little loser for every cent he has. It"s about time that these mentally challenged fools put their money where their mouth is.
I think Al's going to pop an artery in that photo!!
I think the left needs to know that all parties had the advantage of big corp donations. The accountability act will correct this. The parties that currently get the fewest big donations from enterprise sized companies have the most to gain. You'd think they would be happy with the Conservative plan to clean up in a way that will limit the capabilities of all parties the same, including the Conservatives themselves.
Gore should be the last to talk since the Canadian Tories seem to have taken a position just slightly left of the Democrats in my mind. All needs to shut that pie hole and quit wagging that finger. It isn't becoming. Actually, in this photo, he looks like what a new prisoner at Oz might look like when he gets trapped in the showers....in a suit.
Posted by: TrustOnlyMulder at January 26, 2006 1:05 PMExcerpt from article;
While John Bennett, senior policy adviser for Sierra Club of Canada, isn't certain of how much oil companies and their executives donate to the Conservatives, he's noticed their language on Kyoto is similar.
"They've talked about the need for a made-in-Canada plan, which is exactly the terminology Stephen Harper used," Bennett said. "They've talked about targets for Kyoto being unreachable -- that's similar."
See how irrelevant the left has become? They've been reduced to pointing out similarities in conservative thinking.
Posted by: ol hoss at January 26, 2006 1:09 PMAl has tar sand in his head. Does anyone remember this guy named Paul Martin (hint: not the one who plays for the New Jersey Devils)? He had lots of oil folks lining up to give him financial support. Lots of photo ops of those meetings. Anyone care to post some?
Harper is in office for not even four days and the libs (and their friends) are still playing the demonizing tricks that lost them power.
Should Harper jump on this and make anti-American statements??????? Oh wait, there is a double standard on that subject...
Posted by: John at January 26, 2006 1:10 PM"Faithism" my new coinage.
As we all know a "rascist" is a term for a person winning a debate with a liberal. "Islamophobia" a term for rational people with a VERY rational fears of losing their heads (while all around them also lose theirs), "homophobia" a term for people who are very accepting of homosexuals but aren't hip enough to enjoy "gay pride" parades, so voila, let's drive 'em completely nuts and call our left-lib fantasists FAITHISTS. God Bless Canada!
Posted by: Peter Leftcoaster at January 26, 2006 1:14 PMHas anyone else noticed that political parties of this day and age are the same as the old parties in name only? There were actually several good Liberal Prime Ministers and Democratic Presidents at one time. Hell, in those early days there were Liberal-Conservatives and Democratic Republicans.
I think all that took a big turn in the '60s. There were probably more than a few who "inhaled" only a bit. Starting with Trudeau, the left have become more and more moonie. That is just my observations.
BTW: I just read the price breakdown of gas at the pumps here in Texas and it says in fine print at the bottom of the list - $0.02 per gal - CPC Funding.
I'm making this up.
In Texas.
In America.
Mmmmm, better get on it Stevo.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 26, 2006 1:17 PMMoonbat alert! Wow, he didn't just talk to Bush, but also Blair & Howard. I can hear the screams already.
Posted by: Candace at January 26, 2006 1:19 PMIt is not a bad strategy, radical or reactionary groups on either end of the political spectrum tend to scare the much more moderate (average) voter. If you mention "god" on a handful of occasions (typically in a harmless fashion like "God Bless Canada") you will face the wrath of some of the most radical elements within the Progressive spectrum.
When you've done this enough times and hurt their credability you can move onto other topics to bait them with "Women should be informed of the risks, and reminded of their options prior to having an abortion".
Although, at the same time I think he should also take some reasonably moderate positions to recieve the wrath of the radical right; that is replace the gun registry with legislation which forces gun owners to recieve training on the usages and storage of guns (with serious penaltys for misuse or improper storage).
Posted by: NoOne at January 26, 2006 1:23 PMfor potatoe:
an ultra-conservative is a broad and incompassing term that refers to anyone who presents a dissenting opinion outside of the narrow liberal view of tolerance.
basically anyone who checks out this blog
hello my fellow ultra-cons!
Posted by: Ryan at January 26, 2006 1:26 PMFirst lie by Harper. During the campaign he promised a free-vote on same-sex marriage but he said 'it wouldn't be a priority for his government'. Today he announced that it is something he wants to see "sooner rather than later". Sounds as though it's a priority now.
Posted by: Todd at January 26, 2006 1:28 PMThe Conservatives were funded by oil money in alot of ways. This physician, along with thousands of Albertans donated hundreds of dollars to the Conservatives to get elected. We don't want to see a Kyoto plan or carbon tax that will kill the economy here and personally cost us thousands in lost wages and reduced property values. So yes, indirectly we get our money in Alberta from oil royalities and for some via direct jobs working for oil companies. With current rules, the big companies are unable to influence political parties in Canada directly, unlike Power Corp, Big Banks, unions, etc did with the Liberals in the past.
Posted by: matts at January 26, 2006 1:29 PMspent the entire morning conversing with Mr.'s Bush, Blair, Howard, who next? Angela Merkel? ...whose popularity has soared since her not having to be a "scary" Christian Democrat is being exposed.
Posted by: marc58510 at January 26, 2006 1:38 PMTodd, how does "sooner rather than later" make it a priority? Sounds like he is simply keeping his word on one of his election promises.
Posted by: Platty at January 26, 2006 1:49 PMdoes anyone think that Harper should just call everyones bluff and table all the controversial stuff immediatly, knowing full well that no one has any desire to topple the gov't?
i know it won't happen, too much fuel for the left-biased media, but it would be fun to see an NDPer vote against SSM, haha that'd be the day
Posted by: Ryan at January 26, 2006 1:54 PMNoone:
Yeah, Tory ideas are so radical, eh?
Perhaps the Left would like to see legislation PROHIBITING a woman from being informed of the risks and of the options to abortion once she gets pregnant.
EPW
Posted by: evilprinceweasel at January 26, 2006 1:55 PMTodd said
"First lie by Harper. During the campaign he promised a free-vote on same-sex marriage but he said 'it wouldn't be a priority for his government'. Today he announced that it is something he wants to see "sooner rather than later". Sounds as though it's a priority now."
Could it be that he wants to get past this issue as soon as possible, and move onto something more important. If he allows a vote on SSM today (that is whether the issue should be revisited), regardless of how it goes, he would be able to resolve the issue before the end of the session; if it is successful, then they can introduce legislation which gives SS couples a civil union will all the legal rights give to mariage (making him seem reasonably moderate, and at the same time winning a symbolic victory for hard-line conservatives). If the motion fails the issue dies for the rest of the term.
The impressive thing about a strategy like this is it would outrage all the kooks on both side of the issue making, while at the same time making most (average) Canadians see it as a reasonable solution to the problem; the result would be that Harper would seem very moderate while making the liberals and the NDP seem extreme.
On a side note, there are many liberals who would support such a motion if the Liberal party forced them to vote against it they may leave the party (either join the conservatives or sit as an independent)
Posted by: NoOne at January 26, 2006 1:56 PMTodd,
If he had said "later rather than sooner," how long would it have taken for you to claim he's delaying that vote until he can win a majority and then get it passed?
Posted by: D.J. McGuire at January 26, 2006 2:01 PMgood call NoOne
but i think that Harper, being the pragmatic that he is will most likely put this issue on the back burner, until after his gov't is defeated and he can try for a majority. With more support in the house he could try and table the "civil union" compromise.
Posted by: Ryan at January 26, 2006 2:02 PMWhoops, I stand corrected...sorry braaken & Andrew.
JasperPants
Posted by: JasperPants at January 26, 2006 2:03 PM"Yeah, Tory ideas are so radical, eh?
Perhaps the Left would like to see legislation PROHIBITING a woman from being informed of the risks and of the options to abortion once she gets pregnant.
EPW"
That's kind of my point; the vast majority of ideas brought forth by the conservatives and their members are reasonably moderate (even the old reform party was predominately moderate with a few more radical ideas)
The point is that the average Canadian is too "polite" to want to be associated with radical ideas from either end of the political spectrum; if Harper makes some moderate stands that enrage both ends of the political spectrum the general public will be more likely to support them.
Its like an argument I had this weekend (it was about child care and I was on the pro-tory side); when someone links privately run child care to child abuse they lose support from the majority of people who are listening. When they lose the suport of the majority, the majority will disassociate themselves with the position that the more 'radical' person took.
If you can get every kook from victoria to bonavista to attack you the average person is more likely to support you.
Posted by: NoOne at January 26, 2006 2:04 PM
Is the left now going to be infecteed with
Harper Derrangement Syndrome, HDS, similar
to the BDS in the US?
i agree NoOne
however, the left-wing kooks seem to command respect from the media, who create simpathy for their positions. whereas right-wing kooks are all fundamentalists, biggots, rascists, capitalists, and religios-zealots...
Posted by: Ryan at January 26, 2006 2:10 PMNoOne, mandatory training for firearm owners was legislated by Kim Campbell and in place by 1994. "Safe" storage laws go back a lot longer.
RJM
Posted by: RJM at January 26, 2006 2:15 PMWasn't it Al Gore who took political contributions from a nice gentleman named Suharto back in the 1990's. Nice fellow that Suharto, except all the killing and torture and stuff. Maybe Gore should stick to his knitting.
Posted by: Arkantos at January 26, 2006 2:16 PMFalse. Clinton signed Kyoto, knowing full well that it would be rejected by the Senate - which they did, voting against it unanimously - 3 full years before Bush came into office.
Well Kate, I guess you can blame the United States senate which was closer in partisan numbers at the time the Kyoto bill was rejected.
I think it is quite absurd for you to speculate that this was his[Clinton] motive, since you weren't in his office when he made the decision. just saying.
SSM. Let's remember that this was really just advocacy muscle-flexing spearheaded by a few dedicated "gay" lawyers and because it's clearly in the "progressive file" it got to be a big deal. My sense was that there wasn't much of a groundswell in the "gay community" (to use the orthodox phraseology for expediency). It's like Nationalized Babycare; as a bewildered woman said to me once, "There's not much of a call for it", and there wasn't.
That's the tragedy of Canadian governance of late; a tiny advocacy group, funded by BigGovBucks, pushes a "progressive" agenda, the "progressive" AM (antique media) piles on, and the rest of us ordinary schlubs, the great lumpen left, centre and right, look on blinking and mystified.
Posted by: Peter Leftcoaster at January 26, 2006 2:19 PMTodd,
My goodness do you have a vivid imagination. I just listened to Stephen Harper's speech and following press conference in which he outlined his party's prioities and didn't once hear SSM. The fact is that it is fundamentally clear just what his priorities are. (I couldn't resist) They are the points laid out in the sentences and paragraphs that contain the word priority.
In all honesty, the conservatives could point out that the sun rises in the east and there will be a moonie or three that see a secret agenda to change the laws of physics.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 26, 2006 2:22 PMFirst lie by Harper. During the campaign he promised a free-vote on same-sex marriage but he said 'it wouldn't be a priority for his government'. Today he announced that it is something he wants to see "sooner rather than later". Sounds as though it's a priority now.
Posted by Todd at January 26, 2006 01:28 PM
First lie about Harper lying is brought by ... Todd!
Congratulations Todd , what took you so long?
If that's a lie, how's Ontario's McShifty working for ya ?
It's an obvious nod to Bush saying 'God Bless Canada' and decidedly creepy in a Canadian political context.
The US has greatest national debt and the greatest war contractors and oil tycoons with the greatest tax payer funded banking accounts in the entire globe. They will be given our oil and water and their defense contracts.. Bush is paid for...they just need Harper to bend us over.
Canada was the first Iraq. They tried to invade us once. There are a lot of Canadians buried in Ontario over that.
Posted by: s at January 26, 2006 2:27 PM"When a conservative invokes God, no matter how generically, the left cannot help but expose their seething intolerance of all things Christian - thus, shining a spotlight on the highly selective nature of the "diversity" they champion."
I'd respectfully modify that sentence, changing "Christian" to "Judeo-Christian". Also the highly selective "diversity", I'd change to "superficial diversity".
The Left in North America, pretty much as the Left in EUrope share these tendencies:
1. A hostility to Judaism as well as Christianity, while giving Islam a "pass" on ethics, behavior and tolerance. (Part of the Stockholm Syndrome of self-guilt, a variant of which is also seen in the Left's blaming the United States for the 9/11 Islamofascist atrocity.)
2. "Diversity" is actually a sham for attacking, by toxic dilution, traditional Western values and institutions. The "diversity" encouraged is strictly superficial-by gender, race, sexual orientation, marital status, etc.
REAL diversity, diversity of thought, is forbidden. A Leftist must accept in full the crypto-fascist secular dogma of the left. Any dissent is shrieked down-"religious intolerance!", "forbidding a woman's right to choose!", "homophobia!", etc.
Of course, shrieking down people with different ideas is just a variant of the "ad hominim attack", attacking the person, not his/her message. The Leftists, with their vacuous dogma, don't want to engage in any real debate with non-Leftists, particularly eloquent ones. Invariably, they loose when they do so.
hey s,
let them invade again though we'd be fine since the stench of your bs would send then reeling
jeepers
Posted by: Chris in Ontario at January 26, 2006 2:41 PMOkay, you guy's are scaring me. You keep bashing Gore like this, and, and... You'll wake the Tipper Beast!!!
Tipper will start wanting content rating labels on Blog's.
There you go, next it will be NetNanny for Blogger's. Don't fuck with Tipper man... she's a rightwing, left handed, something or other with weird 50's hair and a hate on for Ozzy.
"Blame Canada"
Posted by: JoeCalgary at January 26, 2006 2:42 PMI'd respectfully modify that sentence, changing "Christian" to "Judeo-Christian".
Wonderful, now we have hyphenated Christianity to go along with hyphenated Canadians.
Posted by: ol hoss at January 26, 2006 2:46 PMSmall s, You are welcome to your pal Gore. I am not interested in debate where theatrics reach the apoplexed gall-stone attack stage over a mild *God bless* discussion.
Is Gore giving a demo of attack tactics he used in Viet Nam? Maybe that is just a mild expression of intolerance. Tiresome. TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at January 26, 2006 2:48 PMO/T but gag warning in effect: CTV has 'bought' a reality TV series Canada's First Great Prime Minister. Contestants get to define and 'create' the ideal PM. Timing is interesting given that Stick Chick will likely be running for the leader. Papa Stronach is shameless in his attempts to buy his daughter some credibility. Programme to be hosted by (GAG ALERT) Seamus O'Reagan. Sigh. Bring back Doctor Quinn, Medicine Woman. I'm tired of slimy Liberals and the friends they support.
Posted by: Iron Lady at January 26, 2006 2:49 PMI'm a bit oddity here. I'm a regular reader of this blog but I'm a leftie. Nevertheless I think Harper deserved to win the election even though I don't support him for a variety of reasons which you folks might find interesting.
I for one am not happy with the way the Liberal party conducted their campaign. Finger pointing at Harper instead of cleaning house earned Paul Martin a long overdue pink slip. The Liberals became arrogant that's political parties with no real opposition do.
Keep in mind that this is only a minority government. The conservatives have the most seats but most of the population voted for left of center candidates. Canadian politics haven't made a tectonic shift to the right. If anything it's let's make a deal time.
The Liberals need to do some serious housecleaning. Paul Martin's ejection is long overdue, the man didn't have what it takes to make a good PM.
And I do its a good thing that the political spotlight has shifted to Calgary. The old Ontario/Quebec troika wasn't doing the countries politics any good.
You done good Calgary my hat's off to you. The next two years should be interesting.
Jose
Posted by: Jose Garcia at January 26, 2006 2:53 PMno offense Jose but i think i've heard everything you just said repeated over and over on the CBC. i know this election was a small step, but it was a step in the right direction, and i hope this country continues its journey.
Posted by: Ryan at January 26, 2006 3:02 PMHey TexasCanuck,
Then you obviously didn't listen to the reporters questions at the end. They asked him about SSM and he stated what I said above.
I'm all for civil unions... as long as it's for everyone. Get government out of the marriage business totally and let churches handle that.
Texas Canuck:
"...secret agenda to change the laws of physics."
And of course when that happens, the ship of state runs straight into Hans Island.
We are a rock and will not roll.
Congratulations Prime Minister Stephen Harper; sovereignty is not a negotiating point in the balance of trade!
This is all working quite nicely so far.
CPC? Coalition? Hi-ho, comrades: from Moe Strong & Paul who? >>>
CPC & Other Parties
The multi-party cooperation and political consultation under the leadership of the Communist Party of China (CPC) is China's basic political system.
The system means that the CPC is the only party in power in the People's Republic of China while under the precondition of accepting the leadership of the CPC, the eight other political parties participate in the discussion and management of state affairs, in cooperation with the CPC. * * **
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-09/02/content_1061737.htm
Al Gore on one had is saying he doesn't want to run for President. On the other hand he is getting some very extensive media lately.
I expect a "draft Gore" movement to continue to grow. Read More and see what you think.
Gore is not a foolish man, lets not get caught up in the name calling and other tactics of dirty politics.
TIZ
Posted by: TIZReporter at January 26, 2006 3:22 PMYes Jose,
The first thing your party needs is a *Liberal* leader.
Paulie used his position in Canadian government to borrow massive amounts of money in order to take over Canada Steamship lines.
He did not have any collateral, but I will reserve opinion on the distant chance that he may have been tempted to use political promises as financial backing.
Having taken over CSL and many other corporations and then consolidating power and wealth by various means such as avoiding Canadain taxes by registering enterprises in
Barbados and other places offshore, one could say Paulie was more of an industrialist Czar rather than a Liberal.
Paul built budget surpluses by starving our National Health System costing several people
their lives due to extended waits for medical attention.
One has to wonder how many of those lives would have been saved if the $Billions of dollars lost in more than 219 scams stringing back to 1993 had been applied to our Health Care System.
I will resist the suggested label to apply here, but *Liberal* is not what I had in mind. TG
I'm waiting for the anti-americans to start raging about Gore sticking his nose in Canadian affairs.
I'll give em 24 hours before I point out the blatant hypocracy.
Oh and Todd, don't get stuck on stupid okay.
Posted by: gimbol at January 26, 2006 3:29 PMHarper gets slapped down...
US rejects Harper's Arctic Plan
"There's no reason to create a problem that doesn't exist," David Wilkins said Wednesday as he took part in a forum at the University of Western Ontario in London. "We don't recognize Canada's claims to those waters..."
Posted by: steve at January 26, 2006 3:39 PMAl just forgot to have breakfast... it's not good to swear on an empty stomach.
Posted by: Tipper Gore for President at January 26, 2006 3:40 PMMr. Angry?
Posted by: Les Mackenzie at January 26, 2006 3:44 PMActually, most of you may not know this, but there is no formal treaty in existance which recognizes our definition of the Artic borders, other than NWT border, Yukon, and Nunuvit. The waters above are completely in dispute, and have never been formerly acknowleged as Canadian territory. International treaties do exist recognizing our mineral rights, but not our rights regarding who owns right of way through the NW passage. In fact, maps from other nations depicting the north, often show the NWT as the end of Canada's territory. It is actually a serious situation, which has been put off for much too long.
Posted by: JoeCalgary at January 26, 2006 3:54 PMI am always amazed at the bigotted anti-Christian remarks coming from "progressives." Their ignorance and intolerance is so hypocritical!! Oooh no, Harper dares to mention God. As for Kyoto, it is political science, in fact total fantasy. Volcanic activity in one year puts more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than two hundred years of human activity! CO2 represents 5% of all greenhouse gases, and human activity 3% of CO2 emissions - .15% of greenhouse gas emissions. What's next, outlaw water vapour! Canada has an opportunity to look at carbon monoxide, to reduce these emissions with clean energy technology. Then we can share our technology with the world, particularly the developing world, so they can modernize without polluting. Besides our Kyoto commitment is impossible without reducing us to the stone age. It's amazing that the radical enviromental movement finds an ally with anti-modernism. You know, the ones who don't think Africans should have electricity because they would just sit in their huts and watch TV! The drivel coming from one of the references, blaming the USA, essentially calling it a backward society (compared to the progressive world of course), is typical blindered reasoning. I don't recall the Americans, in spite of their mistake in invading Iraq, targetting civilians for execution, as Hussein did and the "insurgents" do now. BTW, the US has done a lot of good in the world, which anti-American bigots never mention. Gore the bore.
Posted by: Phil at January 26, 2006 3:58 PMPut another way, international Law says that it's fair game up there. Harper is exactly right to put a base in and some ships. Possession is 9 tenths the law, and if you can't protect it, you can't keep it. If we wish to impose soveriegnty over the Artic, we must get there first. Tuktiuktuk doesn't constitute ownership of the island chains in the artic.
Posted by: JoeCalgary at January 26, 2006 3:59 PMStill trying to figure out how to make a baby.(SSM)
Posted by: george at January 26, 2006 4:00 PMI enjoyed watching Primetime Politics on CPAC that one evening when John Bennett went up against a professor of earth sciences from the U of Ottawa, and the professor proceeded to eat Bennett's lunch.
Kyoto tries to tie climate change to production of carbon dioxide, a development that has only been really tracked for what, the past hundred years or so? It seems to reject the previous millions of years of climate change as immaterial compared to the effect of CO2. Not only that, the left fails to realize that Kyoto will do nothing to reduce actual POLLUTION, including many toxins that can be much more easily linked to deteriorating health and air quality. Then again, it's a lot easier to take the Bushies to task than to question the efficacy of a protocol that will still allow countries to pollute (provided they have the dollars to buy the credits).
Rather than giving money to the Russians so we don't have to change our polluting ways, can't we use that money to clean up our own act?
Posted by: Reluctant Ninja at January 26, 2006 4:13 PMIf favouring the status-quo on abortion (i.e., no restrictions whatsoever), and civil-unions for homosexuals, is "ultra-conservative", could someone please tell me what would constitute "ultra-liberal" on these same topics?
Requiring leadership candidates to perform an abortion on live TV perhaps? Divorcing one's wife and marrying one or more men to show you're really "with it"?
The extremist language of the left is in and of itself evidence of their own extremism.
Posted by: Richard Ball at January 26, 2006 4:22 PMPhil...I refuse to have a battle of wits with unharmed person.
Posted by: steve at January 26, 2006 4:23 PM"Phil...I refuse to have a battle of wits with unharmed person."
whoa! Where did you dig up that fosil?
Posted by: Les Mackenzie at January 26, 2006 4:39 PMDear god, you have to check out this article, it totally proves climate change
http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm
And this one too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
Posted by: NoOne at January 26, 2006 4:45 PM"Canada was the first Iraq. They tried to invade us once. There are a lot of Canadians buried in Ontario over that.
Posted by s at January 26, 2006 02:27 PM"
You're so right on the mark with that. I can still recall the stench of all the mass graves in Southern Ontario. The torture rooms, the murder and mayhem. Thanks god we stopped them!
Posted by: Axeman at January 26, 2006 4:48 PMHey Big Al, do us a favor don't you preach to us about our leader's & we won't preach about yours, good god you still don't know if you won or lost yet! Ooops did I say God, By the way can we still say God save the Queen? Ooops did I say Queen, sorry about that Iam just not sure anymore, Merry Christmas Oooops there I go again, you politicaly correct lefties have just got us rightie's too confused but God Bless You Anyway's, Ooops used it again!
Posted by: bryan at January 26, 2006 4:59 PMFunny, my many greats grandfather's diary says it was more of a barn party than a war... 1812 I mean. Didn't we almost burn down Washington in a fit of peak in return? How many poor Americans suffered needlessly at the hands of sadistic Canadian troopers bent on pillage and rape. How many needless deaths as a result of drowning when forced to drink Maple Syrup by the godless French.
Posted by: JoeCalgary at January 26, 2006 5:00 PMKyoto (Ky/o/toe): the art of removing massive amounts of money from hapless Canadians so as to enrich dictator's and tyrants from third world countries, who in turn use that money to buy weapons from the Russians, British, Chinese, French, and Americans... instead of just spending it at home.
Posted by: JoeCalgary at January 26, 2006 5:04 PMStill trying to figure out how to make a baby.(SSM)
Look at it this way, there's no need for abortion. heh
Posted by: ol hoss at January 26, 2006 5:07 PMWhat I find interesting about the SSM debate is how it's okay to claim that gays and lesbians are discriminating against freedom of religion as long as it's YOUR OWN religion. There are several religions such as the United Church which do allow marriages for same-sex couples. Why should THEIR religion be deemed as not valid? Or is it freedom of religion for only certain religions that is allowed?
Posted by: Todd at January 26, 2006 5:09 PMMr. Potato, "Can someone please tell me what an "ultra-conservative"
When appealing to simple minded bigots with code words it is sometimes necessary to super size them with an adjective.
If "He's a Jew you know" doesn't scare them, then make it a greedy Jew.
If "He's a fag" doesn't scare them, then make it a flaming fag.
If "He's just a Nigger" doesn't scare them then make it an uppity Nigger.
If "He's a conservative" doesn't scare them then make it a far right ultra conservative.
Dr. Tongue, a former student of mine, just couldn't grasp the concept of the adjective.
Posted by: Professor Codswallope at January 26, 2006 5:13 PMAre you not alway's amazed at how certain outspoken American's like to tell Canadian's what is best for us, good God most American's don't even know where Canada is & if they do, they think we live in igloo's, eat nothing but bacon & are all hockey player's for god sake, Geeeez their I go again using God.
Posted by: bryan at January 26, 2006 5:14 PMDon't forget that at the outset of the 2004 campaign, the Martin Liberals conducted a series of push polls over the phones (only in strategic areas of Ontario, where it mattered), asking those who answered if they would be more likely or less likely to vote for the CPC if they knew it was being run by a small group of extreme right-wing Evangelical Christians.
Of course, the objective of the poll was to have the word spread that what was being alleged was, in fact, true. (A "when was the last time they beat their wives?" kinda question.)
This most disgraceful of all political dirty tricks was forgotten in the media, which is unusual (not really, because the media are Liberal shills) because in the same campaign, Harper was hunted down by the media and asked if he would personally apologize for the staements/actions of others.
Can you imagine the uproar in the media had the CPC down the same, except substituting Evangelical Christian for Hindu, Muslim or, let's take the analogy to its extreme conclusion - JEWS.
Imagine if the CPC phoned up people and said, "Would you be more likely or less likely if you knew that the Liberals were being run at the top by a small group of Jews?"
We know how the media would have reacted.
Posted by: Sean at January 26, 2006 5:27 PMGlobal warming:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WEATHER/01/26/ukraine.cold.deaths/index.html
tell them!!!
When did we start having right wing science and left wing science?
There is a consensus in the scientific community on global warming. There are a variety of models to be sure and the issue isn't as black and white as wether or not the earth is say 6,000 years old or a few billion.
Global Warming has its skeptics to be sure but prevailing wind of the evidence has pretty much flattened them in the past three years.
Regardless of what your political afiliation is the scientific consensus is fact not fantasy.
But I'm not bothered if you don't believe me. I actually think we're going to be fine regardless. Advances in alternative energy technology over the next 10-15 years are going to render Kyoto superflous. There's plenty of commercial incentives to move beyond fossil fuels anyways.
Kyoto is basicaly a stick but we've got a pretty big carrot on order.
The US and Canada should be more with it when it comes to energy. Just look at GM and Ford, they're big push towards SUVs isn't doing them any favours now. We don't need to be giving the asians yet another competitive advantage over us.
P.S. You'll have to excuse me if my earlier comments seemed to parrot what you've already heard. I live in the UK so other than sticking an oar in the Canadian blogosphere I have no exposure to Canadian media.
Jose
Posted by: Jose at January 26, 2006 5:36 PMGlobal Warming has its skeptics to be sure but prevailing wind of the evidence has pretty much flattened them in the past three years.
"Wind", good description. They can't even predict the weather seven days ahead.
Posted by: ol hoss at January 26, 2006 5:49 PMSean,
There may not have been a specific reaction to the incident you are describing but there has been a reaction to the Liberal parties tactics. A signifigant number of people turned their backs on the Liberals precisely because of they way they've been behaving politicaly.
I may be lefty but that doesn't mean the Liberals automaticaly get my support. Historicaly I've tended to see them as the lesser evil however.
Note that Sam Bulte a Liberal MP got taken to task by a bunch of Left leaning bloggers. They're blogging gained signifigant traction and may have played a decisive factor in her losing her seat.
Jose Said
"There is a consensus in the scientific community on global warming. There are a variety of models to be sure and the issue isn't as black and white as wether or not the earth is say 6,000 years old or a few billion"
How can you have a concensus when a large portion of the worlds best climatologists refute the claim, discredit the evidence supporting human created global warming, and demonstrate their own evidence that suggests the variation in global temperatures are caused by long standing temperature cycles?
You can't claim that Global Warming is even based on science because for a scientific conclusion to be reached you must impartially look at the evidence; our society looks at evidence that supports global warming as gospel and yet treats all opposing evidence with hostility. 10 Years from now when "Global Warming" starts a "Global Cooling" trend people will still be talking about how we have to Tax the Oil industry before the world freezes; 30 years from that the world will be afraid of Global Warming again ...
Posted by: NoOne at January 26, 2006 5:56 PMNoOne, just a heads up:
Go to the very bottom of your link on Wikipedia and note the process that is open to this particular 'information' source'.
"This page was last modified 09:47, 21 January 2006."
It is worth noting that anyone can edit, however they choose, biases included, and many are not aware of that fact yet.
Actually I think, at least from what I've read and I'm as skeptical a bastard as there is, that the consensus is pretty much in on the fact that Global Warming is happening. What there is not consensus on is what, if anything, is causing it.
To even begin to suggest that Kyoto, which only deals with Carbon dioxide. Which is a naturally occuring element on the earth, and necessary for our own survival, while ignoring every other chemical we spew into the atmosphere, and telling us we are going to die if we don't do something about it, is specious at best.
Frankly, Kyoto plays on the fears of the ignorant, and is without question the most useless, poorly thought out, waste of energy ever to come from the international community... so you know it has to be French. Just kidding.
That accord is almost specifically designed as a wealth transfer tool created by the European community in the hopes that the North Americans would be stupid enough to sign it, thus potentially hobbling our industry and providing a leg up in competitiveness for the Europeans.
Canada, in it's infinately wishy washy way (read French) bought in to this hook line and sinker... the worst part is, we can do so much more on our own, if we but try.
Get rid of it, put it out to pasture, and tell the European Community "Nice try".
Posted by: JoeCalgary at January 26, 2006 6:20 PMImagine if Martians landed on our planet and the first thing they saw was the politician Al Gores's photograph. Might they not conclude that our politics was stupid? Dangerous?
We could explain that many of us had not caught the demagogic plague . That many of us were trying to connect the dots between politics,philosophy,socioecology,culture, integrity and simple human decency.
With luck we could get a pass mark on the Martian hygeine code.
Gore didn't invent the Internet - but he made sure that it grew as fast as it did. In the process he was integral to kickstarting the vast new economy that now employs tens of millions of people.
He did this without ever becoming President.
Bush has done nothing but lose jobs.
The reason that Republicans keep winning elections is two fold: A complacent and biased media (For example: Limbaugh), and rigged elections (Ohio/Florida)
Posted by: Jeff at January 26, 2006 6:38 PMHere is one approach...
The Anti-Kyoto
World's largest polluters will work with industry to address climate concerns.
"The inaugural meeting of the Asia Pacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate began today in Sydney, Australia. Nearly half of global greenhouse emissions are produced by the six nations participating in the summit—the United States, Japan, China, India, Australia and South Korea."
Posted by: steve at January 26, 2006 6:41 PMAnyone who uses the words "consensus" to back up a scientific argument is treading on thin ice.
Please go back to the main page and reread the post with that title, again, to gain an understanding of how powerful a force "concensus" is, and how meaningless.
Posted by: Kate at January 26, 2006 6:44 PMTo suggest that a transfer of wealth needs to occur in order for all countries to be competitive and their citizens to be free (read: political freedom is not even remotely possible without economic freedom) is not ridiculous.
However, to attempt to redistribute wealth through an agreement that makes people believe that their climate and environment will be improved is patently ridiculous.
I can't help but wonder how many European countries, faced with the unsavoury prospect of cancelling Third World debt and unfair farming subsidies, opted instead to create a backdoor agreement to toss a few dollars at developing countries in order to keep them down while absolving themselves of the responsibility to clean up their own backyard.
Too many people hail Kyoto as an environmental achievement while ignoring its effects: stagnating development in the Second World, continuing to ignore the reality of dwindling fossil fuels and their potential effect on the standard of living in the First World, and allowing the production of other toxic elements to continue. Rather than taking a leadership role in their own countries to develop a reasonable timetable to eliminate pollution and nurturing 'green industry' (how many auto jobs in our country could be saved by dedicating resources to smart car technology/production?), they took the easy way out by placing blame on a relatively inert gas that promotes growth in plant life and tossing around token subsidies. I simply cannot understand how anyone who professes to be on the left on the political spectrum could support this.
Posted by: Reluctant Ninja at January 26, 2006 6:49 PMTHAT proves climate change? My @ss it does!
Posted by: Shel at January 26, 2006 6:57 PM
I haven't been able to find much scientific evidence supporting the Global Warming skeptic crowd. If you point me in the direction.
Its going to be interesting to see what's to become of these global warming sceptic think tanks that don't seem to publish anything other than press releases after the funding dries up from the oil industry.
In any case I'm not ultimately interested on preaching any cause. We could very well see a closing of this debate within the next ten years.
I find the case for global warming very compelling but I'm optimistic that we'll be able to deal with it.
And I agree Kyoto isn't the answer, investing in new technologies is. I'd like to see more government leadership here but the market may very well have the matter well in hand over the next fifteen years. Alternative energy technology has always been high-tech's ugly stepsister but there are encouraging signs that it may take off.
I'm hoping to be tooling around in an electric sports car in about twenty years time. It's not as crazy an idea as you might think. We've already got models that can do 0-60mph in four seconds flat and they're only going to get better.
Posted by: Jose Garcia at January 26, 2006 6:59 PMI haven't been able to find much scientific evidence supporting the Global Warming skeptic crowd. If you point me in the direction.
www.lomborg.com/
Jose:
A good discussion of the use and misuse of statistics involved in AGW theory:
http://www.climateaudit.org/
A good place if you're really into math, but there are also some good discussions here regarding scientific policy (not directly political) with respect to publication and funding.
Look in the 'links' section as well as 'weblogs and resources' on the right sidebar. There are links to sites representing different sides of the argument.
Posted by: Jon at January 26, 2006 7:47 PMReluctant Ninja wrote:
To suggest that a transfer of wealth needs to occur in order for all countries to be competitive and their citizens to be free .... is not ridiculous.
Actually it is. Transfer of wealth is wealth destroyed. INVESTED wealth, or capital accumulation, is the ONLY route to prosperity. Sadly, tho, the progressives think of global capital investment as "exploitation".
KATE is absolutely right about the spurious notion of scientific "consensus". Scienfific proof is not a popularity contest.
Posted by: Peter Leftcoaster at January 26, 2006 7:58 PMThe Right Honourable Stephen Harper, The Prime Minister of Canada.
Hail to the Chief!
Harper's first post-election news conference a model in efficiency, brevity
OTTAWA (CP) - He hasn't even been sworn in yet, but in a 22-minute heartbeat Thursday, Stephen Harper placed his stamp on the country's highest elected office. >>>>
http://cnews.canoe.ca/
ultra con sounds a heck of a lot better than leftist fascist. I am not a church goer but from now on I will put
" ... God bless Canada ..."
at the bottom of all my email.
Posted by: Robert Bedet at January 26, 2006 8:25 PMNo. It is called sucking up. Mr. Harper did not allow a CP question today. >> andrewcoyne.com
CP: Nolo contendere.
Posted by: maz2 at January 26, 2006 8:32 PMRobert Bedet- As an athiest leftie I can testify that we don't all go into fits at any mention of the G word. They're are nutty athiests and nutty religous types on both says who say nutty things.
It's good for a laugh but I won't read too much into it. Religon and secular thought are both here to stay but there's going to be plenty of rhetorical shots over the bow.
Posted by: Jose at January 26, 2006 8:51 PMAl Gore: (H/T Maurice Strong & Earth Charter)>>>
This quiz was created by Ken Crossman
and originally located here. Enjoy!
Did Al Gore say it? Or was it the Unabomber?
It may be more difficult to decide than you think.
Each quote below is either from Al Gore's Book Earth in the Balance or from the Unabomber's Manifesto.
After each quote choose either Gore or Unabomber.
At the end hit the Grade Me button and the quiz will be graded and you can view the correct answers. You will also have the opportunity to view the documentation. To be fair, I should point out that while Al and the Unabomber identify the "problems" similarly, they part on the solution.
Al wants a "Global Marshall Plan" with enforcement across national boundaries while the Unabomber prefers the idea of revolution.
I got the idea for the test, by the way, from a column by Tony Snow. >>> quiz here:
http://www.crm114.com/algore/quiz.html
Agreed, Peter. I'm just reluctant to use the term 'investment' because many lefties hear it and automatically assume 'OMG EXPLOITATION BY CAPITALIST FASCIST PIGS!!!!11!one'
To make it more clear, we can't expect global prosperity without also expecting that we will have to compete against newly prosperous societies.
Posted by: Reluctant Ninja at January 26, 2006 9:14 PMCome on folks. Why do you have to lets facts get in the way of a good story?
Posted by: wade at January 26, 2006 11:42 PMNinja has it right. Kyoto does nothing to address the real concern, metal pollution. Our reliance on fossil fuels and mined resources has taken toxic metals stored in the earth and distributed them into our atmosphere.
I am speaking of various metals like mercury, thallium, nickel, barium, aluminum, silver, strontium etc.
Chemicals can be biologically transformed. Carbon dioxide can be addressed with increased plant life and we may see the use of such supercrops like Hemp being introduced again.
We even has electronic technology available know that can neutralize carcinogenic substances like benzene and PCB's.
Unfortunately metals are not capable of being dealt with, aside from putting them back into the earth or shipping them out of our atmoshere.
The incorporation of various metals into our air, water and food supply has resulted in the massive influx of degenerative disease we see today, from cancer to BSE.
Runtaller
Posted by: Runtaller at January 27, 2006 12:08 AMJose,
The arrogance of your Liberal Party continues through fools like you. First, you lost the election! Secondly, your leader resigned and third, you've watched the Conservative Party (regardless of it's/their names) seat count grow over the past 4 elections.
Listening to you (and the CBC) and all of your pathetic Ex-Leaders blabber on about how Canadians have given you a 'time-out' is laughable at best. You're so preoccupied with 'when you're going to get back in power', you've lost sight of how you're going to get back in power.
The ball is in our court now!
Worse yet, you haven't even scratched the surface of your problems. 1.) Your party is losing support in Quebec, Ontario, and just about everywhere else. (this process is just starting) 2.) The Liberal Party is broke (to say the least) 3.) Harper's popularity is steadily rising (and his term hasn't even started yet 4.) You have ABSOLUTELY nobody in the party who can turn this thing around (for leadership)!
Keep pretending that Canadians have given you a 'time-out'... haha! You guys are starting to sound like General Motors!
And the grand-finale.. of your parties long-term demise is the following: What are you guys going to apply policy on? What are you going to do when Stephen Harper 'isn't scary' anymore?? What are you going to offer Canadians? The next sign of your fate will be the loud 'thump' of Mr. McGuinty falling on his ass in the next election in Ontario! What will you say then??
Watching the Liberal Party has been like watching a pack of wolves taking down a caribou.. Except... you guys are the caribou..! You're not dead yet, but you're dying (and quicker than expected)!
The tectonic shift has already happened, my friend. It started a long time ago; however, if you close your eyes and pretend it's not happening... IT'S STILL HAPPENING!
Au Revoir!
Posted by: singlethreat at January 27, 2006 1:43 AMsinglethreat, I donated more to my candidate & the CPC in the last two years than I ever have to a political party in my life, plus donating precious hours of my time (away from my child & my job that supports my child) and you totally embarassed me in the first 2 lines so I quit reading.
Quit being a jerk.
Jose has congratulated us on our win, agreed with some (not all, but some) beliefs, and you come across as a complete idiot. Take a powder.
Jose, thanks for joining into the conversation. Kate, forgive me for overstepping.
Jose, re: "I'd like to see more government leadership here" - so would we all. Canada 'signed on' to Kyoto yet gave a free pass to polluters in the largest provinces. What a crock! The oil industry in AB has invested billions in retrofits and IF production remained the same as in 1990 (a wee bit of a flaw in Kyoto, one has to ask) would have reduced emissions by anywhere from 15-30%. However, production increased so the VOLUME increased. Funny how that works.
If emissions aren't measured by a standard (per barrel, per whatever) then... what's the point?
Posted by: Candace at January 27, 2006 3:05 AMI think its well understood that our economies are going to get bigger and this is going to be driving increases in emissions. In the long run we need cheap carbon neutral energy. Until then being a bit more effecient wouldn't hurt.
Pretending a problem doesn't exsist isn't helpful but it isn't the end of the world either. Nations that adapt to new realities quickly will gain competitive advantages over ones that don't.
"I'm waiting for the anti-americans to start raging about Gore sticking his nose in Canadian affairs."
gimbol:
Indeed.
How is it we get all huffy when the US Ambassador chimes in on Canada but it's OK for the Gore-Moore-Big Bore Network to poke their noses in our affairs?
Gore's perfidy was on full display when he accused Harper of "working for big oil interests". I suppose he thinks the US public and media have short enough memories to forget that HE was responsible for the largest oil profiteering scam in US government history when he sold off the emergency US crude oil reserves at fire sale prices to the Gore family patron Armand Hammer's Occidental oil...a sort of US version of Moe Strong. Hammer proceeded to develop their new Gore given Elk hills reserve destroying the fragile habitata and traditional indian lands it resides in....so much for "father earth" Gore...the man's a liar, a hypocrite and a cheat...hardly one to be handing out moral advice.
Gore has all the qualities of a modern liberal demagogue: toxic hypocricy and engaged in cutting back room profiteering deals for monopolist patrons. He also shares Martin's phoney nationalist bigotry.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0300teapot.htm
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/armand-hammer/
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 27, 2006 8:29 AMWhy on earth would anyone in Canada care a whit about what failed politician Al Gore says? It'd be like John Turner or Kim Campbell criticizing the US.
Doesn't Big Al have a more important mission, like improving the internet he invented?
Sometimes my broadband connection slows down. Man, I hate it when it does that.
As for SSM, despite the poor optics of expediting a free vote (ie, SSM isn't one of the CPC priorities & we have some pretty big issues like Accountability to resolve), would it not be wiser to expedite this while the libs are without a leader to whip the vote against changing the definition of marriage?
mhb23re
(email is above username at Google webmail service)
Googling & Google: Gore on the Internet? China & Google/Google. .. via LGF>>
Two Versions of Google
tiananmen - Google Image Search.
tiananmen - Google Image Search in China.
Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2006 10:51 AMMHB- Harper has to woo the center. I wouldn't hold your breath for a fight on SSM.
Posted by: Jose at January 27, 2006 11:14 AMStop talking about Kyoto. The US Senate defeated the treaty by a vote of about 95 to 0. The US will NEVER ratify the treaty and it has nothing to do with Bush. Kerry, Kennedy, and just about every other left wing loonie Senator voted against it. Any president can sign a treaty but until the Senate ratifies the treaty, it doesn't mean anything.
Posted by: John J. Simmins at January 27, 2006 11:59 AMCandace,
I have also been a member of the CPC and Reform/Alliance and I supported my CPC Candidate both in their campaign office and as a scrutineer.
Yippity doo-daw.
If you don't believe that the Liberal actually believes that they are entitled to step back into power, then we are not watching the same 'CBC'!
They are not entitled to power.
Posted by: singlethreat at January 27, 2006 12:10 PMWhat do Democrats do when the National Anthem is being sung?
I think the Democratic Party and our Liberal Party should consider changing their names. They've both 'lost thier way'.
Cheri, I'm an American conservative and have been active in the Republican party, and as a believer in the two-party system in the U.S., frankly I'm frightened by the takeover of the Dems by the left of its constituency. What Democrat activist does not look on someone like Joe Lieberman as a "sellout"? Whereas I strongly disagree with people like Olympia Snowe or John McCain, but I don't consider them "sellouts"; I think they help the party to stay center-right (instead of far-right, where many activists would like to go, probably me included). A party has to have a balance - enough activism to give it some ideas, enough centrism not to scare voters away. The Democrats are only scaring voters away, and as badly as the Republicans are running the House (which I think they are - really a horrible job), they will do well in elections this November because the voters will not trust the Democrat candidates - the more so the more the candidates give in to these anti-Bush fantasies. Now, you might think Republicans would be happy about this situation, but many of us are very concerned b/c this is the situation that has led to poor behavior in the House leadership in the past 4-5 years in the first place -- they know that the Democrats are tanking, have no real leadership or platform, and are becoming more hysterical as they become more centrifugal, so who do they have to please? Their constituents, and themselves. But a higher responsibility to the country? Sadly, many have abandoned those ideals, and it's because they knew they could, because the other party couldn't, and can't, mount a serious fight. I'm very serious -- it's very depressing to those of us who believe in having two serious, viable choices. And I haven't even mentioned the Democrats who feel abandoned by their party; I have a good number of friends in Texas who feel that way. Don't want to be (or vote) Republican, can't vote Democrat anymore.
Posted by: Meg Q at January 27, 2006 2:18 PMWhat i tried to post on Green Canadian (not a real blog) and was unsuccessful.
Look dear eco-friends; until China and India fully agree and comply with kyoto; ANY pitiful reductions in this part of the world are the equivalent of saying "Ok no peeing in the shallow end of the pool!!" Meanwhile you have two large fat kids (China & India) taking large chunky shits in the deep end, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year!
What the world is finally seeing is that Kyoto is unrealistic and unimplementable...a Ruse.
Posted by: Monty at January 27, 2006 2:33 PMMeg; I guess the only thing black and white about partisan politics anymore is who's the bigger crook/liar. I would have loved to have the leisure of voting for someone like the Green Party this time but it was more important for me to vote OUT corruption. Only once, in a provincial election, have I EVER wasted a vote by writing 'none of the above'. I can tell you and my fellow Canadians one thing; if I get the slightest whiff that Harper and the Conservatives have lied; God help them.
Posted by: Cheri at January 27, 2006 2:54 PM"Are you not alway's amazed at how certain outspoken American's like to tell Canadian's what is best for us, good God most American's don't even know where Canada is & if they do, they think we live in igloo's, eat nothing but bacon & are all hockey player's for god sake, Geeeez their I go again using God."
Indeed. I am equally amused at how certain people assume all Americans are lazy, fat, dimwitted, blow hard, warmongering, religious nutcases who torture puppies for fun and eat kittens' souls for breakfast to maintain their growing girth. They have absolutely noting to contribute to any conversation whatsoever because they obviously know nothing but baseless ethnic stereotypes and their experiences with the most dangerous weapon of all, an oppressor of society, cold-hearted capitalism which of course will never works out but they continue to go out of their way to attack freedom loving communist states worldwide. States so hungry for attention they are forced by the Americans to sacrifice like minded kin and young babies in massive blood rituals to get it and have now branched outward seeking new sacrifices in neighboring countries to help speak to power.
Terrible, Terrible people they are...especially the ones that feel the need to speak, irregardless of their interests in or knowlege of the matter.
...oh you forgot one stereotype. Guess. Eh? :P
Posted by: Dan F. at January 27, 2006 3:21 PMWell, Cheri, I'm sure it will turn out that there are probably some incompetents in the Conservatives and also people who are easily corrupted by interests in Ottawa . . . it happens in every party. It would happen to the Greens if they got elected. You have proximity to power, money, and influence, and someone or some organization makes you some offer . . . you rationalize it, saying, oh this would help my cause/my constituents/the party/whatever. Usually no one knows, or has to, certainly at first, but it will warp a politician over time. ALL politicians take some money, obviously, but whether or not they have the strength of character to avoid "gray-area" donations is another matter.
However, I think the Conservatives, overall, will be okay for a while because much of their heritage comes out of an idealistic background and they have worked so long and hard for this -- and if anyone is tempted, I'm sure they know the media would pounce! We're all sinful men who need carrots andsticks, whether Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green, Bloc, whatever!
Posted by: Meg Q at January 27, 2006 3:22 PM Meg; I forgot to mention I did support the Tories willingly and hope they don't make a liar out of me. I have done a lot of writing/talking in their defence. When the Reform party jumped into bed with Joe Who's party I was very much against the principle of it. Then after so much flack from him and a few other 'blue bloods' I thought screw you, you were wiped off the electoral map, we're saving you and so on. Then adscam came along and it has been my biggest drive to see an end to the Liberals at ANY cost. Even when it meant losing so many of the principles of the old reform party during their last Party convention. That's all old news, I see they need to conform and be more mid-stream etc. I just hope they don't lose their way too much.
I went to a Town Hall Meeting last fall with Rona Ambrose, who said, she wanted to be elected to make a difference, but was TOTALLY unprepared for the power of Lobbyists. She said you have no idea how powerfull they are. Hopefully that will be her first order of 'business' as a member of the governing party.
Our apologies to all Canadians. Apparently our former Vice President was let out on pass for a few days and forgot his meds!
He's really quite harmless. Just ask Al Qaida.
Posted by: John at January 27, 2006 5:07 PMal bore does not have a clue. I am an American who thinks al bore should just drink his koolaid and shut up. I like P.M. elect Harper but i would hardly call him ultra consertive.
Posted by: yochanan at January 27, 2006 9:38 PMHarper is never at our vast right wing conspiracy meetings.
I think Dear leader Rove is starting to notice.
You need to edit your post. The Kyoto protocol has *never* been submitted to the US Senate, by Clinton or by Bush.
The US Senate stated it's opposition to the treaty in a resolution, but your write-up implies that the treaty was submitted to the Senate for ratification and that the Senate voted it down. It's a small point, but you're not telling the whole story. (Neither is the Calgary Herald for that matter, but you should even if they don't).
The Herald's statement is factually correct. They just neglected to include the words "and under President Clinton" to the end of the sentence.
Posted by: issachar at January 28, 2006 5:43 PM