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January 23, 2006

Federal Student Vote Program

Don't let your paranoia go into overload, but there are more details emerging from school voting story that raise significant questions about the judgement of those at Elections Canada in allowing over 700,000 official ballots out of their hands, and into those of Maude Barlow, David Suzuki and the CBC.

Actual Elections Canada voting screens, ballot boxes and ballots were supplied by Student Vote, a program that aims to provide students with a sneak peak at voting during an official election period."

Sent by a reader, who has already filed an official complaint with her school board.

Update - read the comments as more information comes in to clarify what's going on here.

From Elections Canada on the program and sponsorship.;

A total of 455,566 ballots were cast this past week, from Monday, January 16 to Friday, January 20. After studying the democratic process, party platforms and election issues throughout the campaign, students voted on the real candidates running in the 2006 general election. Results were reported from 2,445 schools in every province and territory, representing more than 280 electoral districts.

Read it all, though.


Posted by Kate at January 23, 2006 9:28 AM
Comments

So- this is how the ballot boxes get stuffed?

Posted by: dave at January 23, 2006 9:46 AM

Such obviously fraud possibilities that occams razor suggest fraud.

Vote Early, Vote Often, eh?

Posted by: Fred at January 23, 2006 9:47 AM

Ahem. Obviously => obvious.

More coffee, please!

Posted by: Fred at January 23, 2006 9:50 AM

I have one my kid brought home. Now I have two votes.This was a great idea Paul.

Posted by: Raul C at January 23, 2006 9:51 AM

Good initiative, poor execution.

The ballots given out should have been permanently altered to leave no doubt. ie - a unique hole punch or cutout.

Posted by: BBS at January 23, 2006 9:56 AM

does it surpsrise anyone that he Liberanos would stoop so low and do what they can to win an election...does not surprise me in the least..they are all slimes...everyone of those liberals

Posted by: Fern P at January 23, 2006 9:56 AM

700000, that is enough to throw over all 308 ridings , and handed to CBCpravda.

Posted by: cal2 at January 23, 2006 10:12 AM

This is not good enough.CBC should be made to return all the ballots to the schools and then they should be opened at the school and find out if any liberal ballots are in the boxes or have been removed for use.

What kind of "lowlife"are we dealing with here.

Posted by: Graham at January 23, 2006 10:18 AM

So maybe its time to clean house at Elections Canada ??

Can you imagine the howling from the bleating sheeple in moonbat land if The National Citizens Coalition had been given 700,000 valid ballots ??

My gawd the screams would make Dean's be a whisper

Time to get rid of tha Kingsley dude . . . way to stuck on stupid to run Elections Canada

Posted by: Fred at January 23, 2006 10:25 AM

For what it's worth: keep in mind that younger voters are more likely to vote Conservative and older, retired Canadians tend to vote Liberal. If the Liberals do sqeeze in don't blame the kids and don't blame Ontario: among other groups, blame selfish, selfish older people who don't care about the future of Canada as long as the feddle gubmint keeps sending them cheques.

Posted by: Anonalogue at January 23, 2006 10:41 AM

According to the article, the *count* is sent to the CBC, not the ballots themselves.

Elections Canada deserves criticism on this one, not the CBC.

Posted by: Luca at January 23, 2006 10:41 AM

I predict another "Landslide" for Annie.

Posted by: McScotty at January 23, 2006 10:44 AM

well if there is ballot box stuffing, it should be caught...the returning officer matches the number of vallots with the number of people who signed in to vote at each poll. If there are more ballots in the box than the count should indicate, it will be noticed. Of course, I have no idea what happens when there are more ballots in a box than there should be. For all the counts I witnessed, the numbers matched.

Posted by: dave at January 23, 2006 10:56 AM

It makes me chuckle to think that WE send scrutineers to other countries to watch over thier elections.Do you think we could get some Folks from Poland here in a hurry?.

Posted by: Graham at January 23, 2006 11:03 AM

These ballots could be used to replace unfavourable ballots. Last election the NDP gained a million votes; they went from 1 million to 2 million nationally...

Posted by: Trent at January 23, 2006 11:03 AM

Preparing the Way Forward: Komsomol, Deutsche Kinder, Young Red Maoists, Cuba Si, Katimavik by the PET, & fellow travellers.

Follow the money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Librano$$$$$$$


Financial

BC Ministry of Education
Canadian Heritage
Canadian Labour Congress
Canadian Union of Public Employees
Elections Alberta
Elections BC
Elections Canada
Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario
Enbridge
Encana
Historica Foundation
Ministry of Education of Alberta
Ontario English Catholic Teachers' Association
Ontario Secondary School Teachers' Federation
Ontario section - Canadian Union of Public Employees
Progressive Mouse
School Finder
Scotiabank Group
Shoppers Drug Mart
Weyerhauser >>>
http://www.studentvote.ca/supporters.php

Posted by: maz2 at January 23, 2006 11:06 AM

Dave -- thanks, I feel a little better. I still would feel better with a contingent from Poland here as well...

Posted by: morison at January 23, 2006 11:13 AM

Well we send people to other countries to help keep the vote honest. Do you suppose the phony voters list helps "land-slide Annie" and the 700,000 ballots isn't that just too too bizzare even for the Liberanos.
the shit never stops hitting the fan with these people I can't help but wonder what is coming to the light once we get into a majority position and are able to open all these files
Vote people
Cheers Bubba

Posted by: bubba at January 23, 2006 11:16 AM

Hey Dave,

Your right in assuming that reconciling the ballots with the voter list would help, but we're dealing with the Liberanos. We've got enumerations irregularities in Edmonton center, 700,000 officials ballots, almost 1,000,000 in bougus SINs thanks to HRDC, and a desperate criminal orginization against the ropes. Admittedly far-fetched, but the Liberals can no longer shock me.

Posted by: McScotty at January 23, 2006 11:17 AM

I don't know, I heard some University students talking the other day. Maybe they all deserve the right to vote. Goes like this:

"I'm voting Liberal in this election."

"Really, why."

"Stephen Harper looks scarey."

Oh ya, who are the other candidates?"

"Paul Martin, Joe Clarke, Pat Robertson and Hugo Chavez, and Ross Perot."

Posted by: Hope-in-a-song at January 23, 2006 11:21 AM

Once again, I speak as one of the teachers who participated. I checked with the teacher who administered the activity, and only the count is sent to Student Vote. The ballots are not sent. Ours were thrown out, and I'm sure most of the schools do something similar.

Posted by: Ian H. at January 23, 2006 11:43 AM

Ours were thrown out, and I'm sure most of the schools do something similar.

Dumpster diving, anyone?

Posted by: ol hoss at January 23, 2006 11:53 AM

If Tories get in, please let the first cuts they make be in discretional spending to cut off Maude Barlow and the Status of Women types. If they have such strong support, let their supporters fund them. Same with any subsidies Suzuki gets. Once heard that that fund is worth about $11 billion. That's a lot of lolly for more important things like, say, REAL income tax cuts.

Posted by: Iron Lady at January 23, 2006 12:00 PM

There should be some non-librano scrutineers watching the ballot count tonight and if ANY of these "Librano-youth" ballots appear in legitimate EC ballot boxes, heads should roll.....real ballots sent to ???? with no means accounting for them.. .. ferkissake I can't think of a more irresponsible act by EC....it seems this is another Librano institution due for a corruption shake down.....and the Libranos have the ordacity to send their ballot counters to ensure there is no corruption in foreign elections like the US....this hypocrisy is too toxic to take.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 23, 2006 12:00 PM

I think Elections Canada has it covered for irregularities... I know that both of my parents are sitting at polling stations today representing their parties,, and that all parties have their representatives present to ensure no irregularities. and to ensure the number of votes in the box match the number of voters who were at the poll. also the number of boxes need to match for the riding

from the Election Canada website

Results, Validation and Judicial Recounts:
What Happens After Electors Vote in a Federal Election

Unofficial results

Following the close of the polls, each deputy returning officer in the riding counts the votes for his or her polling station, in the presence of the poll clerk, and any candidates or their representatives, or, if none are present, at least two electors. Before the count, the deputy returning officer must, in the following order:

* count the number of electors who voted and enter the number in the Poll Book

* count the number of spoiled ballots, place them in the envelope provided for that purpose and seal the envelope

* count the unused ballots, place them in the envelope provided for that purpose and seal the envelope

* ensure that all ballots provided are accounted for

During the count, the poll clerk (along with any of the candidates or their representatives who also wish to do so) keeps a tally of the votes for each candidate. The deputy returning officer examines each ballot, shows it to each person present and asks the poll clerk to tally the vote in favour of the candidate for whom the vote was cast. The deputy returning officer must reject ballots that were not supplied by him or her, that were improperly marked, or that were voided by the elector. The deputy returning officer keeps a record of every objection to a ballot made by a candidate or his or her representatives, numbers the ballot and initials it. The decision of the deputy returning officer is subject only by a judge on a judicial recount or on contestation of the validity of the election.

After the count, the deputy returning officer fills out a statement of the vote, recording the number of votes received at that polling station by each candidate and the number of rejected ballots. The deputy returning officer then telephones the unofficial results to the returning officer, who makes them public immediately. Although published, the results remain incomplete until all the deputy returning officers have phoned in their results. The candidates or their representatives who are present at the count have the right to receive a copy of each statement of the vote. The ballots and other election documents are then sealed in the ballot box, which is delivered to the returning officer for the validation of the results.

Validation of the results

Within seven days of election day, the returning officer must validate the results in the presence of the assistant returning officer, and any candidates or their representatives or, if none are present, at least two electors, by adding the totals given on each statement of the vote. The date, time and place of the validation is given in the Notice of Election published by the returning officer at the beginning of the election, so that the persons mentioned above may attend. The validation may not proceed if the returning officer has not received all the ballot boxes and the results of voting by special ballot. The validation must be postponed and every effort must be made to retrieve any missing ballot box. The Canada Elections Act contains specific provisions on how to proceed if a ballot box has been destroyed or continues to be missing.

In validating the results, the returning officer never manipulates ballots. The validation is done on the faith of the statements of the vote prepared by the deputy returning officers. If the statement of the vote is missing, appears to contain an error, to be incomplete or to have been altered, or is disputed by a candidate or his or her representative, the returning officer may open the ballot box to retrieve the copy of the statement. If the copy of the statement of the vote is not useful for resolving the issue, the returning officer may use the information that is written on the envelopes that contain the ballots. The returning officer must not open an envelope that appears to contain ballots; he or she cannot recount the votes.

The returning officer delivers a certificate announcing the validated results to the candidates. On the seventh day following the validation, or as soon as possible after the completion of a judicial recount, the returning officer "returns the writ" of election to the Chief Electoral Officer, after having, at the back of it, declared elected the candidate who has received the most votes.

Judicial recounts

If the leading candidates receive the same number of votes after the validation of the results, or if they are separated by less than one one-thousandth of the total votes cast in the electoral district, the returning officer automatically requests a judicial recount and advises the candidates and their official agents of it in writing. Any elector, including a candidate, may ask a judge (as defined in section 2 of the Canada Elections Act) to carry out a judicial recount. The request must be presented within four days of the validation of the results and must include an affidavit that the count was improperly carried out, that ballots were improperly rejected or that the returning officer incorrectly added up the results at the validation. The applicant must deposit $250 with the court as security for the costs of the candidate who obtained the largest number of votes.

If the judge grants a recount, it must begin within four days of the receipt of the request. Except with the permission of the judge, the only people permitted to be present at the recount are the judge, the returning officer, the candidates and a maximum of three representatives for each candidate. If a candidate is neither present nor represented, a maximum of three electors are entitled to attend on the candidate's behalf. The judge makes the recount from the statements contained in the ballot boxes, or recounts some or all of the ballots returned by the deputy returning officers. If the candidates still have the same number of votes after the recount, a by-election will be held for that electoral district.

As soon as the returning officer receives the judge's certificate stating the results of the judicial recount, and if there is no tie vote, he or she writes the name of the winning candidate on the election writ and returns the writ to the Chief Electoral Officer.

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Posted by: Jim in Calgary at January 23, 2006 12:17 PM

Ok, but wouldn't EC require all 700,000 ballots back, to be burned, or whatever it is they do with them?

How many actually voted in that StudentVote thing? Wasn't it something like 440,000?

Posted by: KRB at January 23, 2006 12:33 PM

Good lord you folk are paranoid... first it was a conspiracy of the CBC and all the leftist teachers. Now it's dumpter diving on the part of some unknown unscrupulous individual who just happens to know which day the ballots are thrown out and wants to search through the garbage of 2000 students and 200 staff (at my school) to find (maybe) 800 ballots, all marked for different parties. Take off your tinfoil hat, take a deep breath and go have some tea... it will calm you down.

Posted by: Ian H. at January 23, 2006 12:48 PM

I agree completely that Student Vote should not use official ballots... but my suspicion (even with all signs against it) is that there is some way to tell that they are not valid ballots for election purposes. For example, the poll officials are supposed to count and initial all the ballots. The DRO is, in fact, supposed to check his/her initials on the back of every ballot before the voter puts it in the box. It would be difficult (albeit not impossible) for someone to put a ballot in the box without elections staff noticing. When at the poll today, I noticed that the ballot box had been covered, I suppose so that it would be harder for someone to sneak an extra ballot in there. So, yeah, a stupid idea perhaps... but not that stupid. To really rig an election in Canada, you'd need a whole bunch of people playing fake scruitineers (i.e. a Liberal volunteering as a Tory). I pray that we aren't that corrupt yet.

Posted by: Michael at January 23, 2006 1:03 PM

I want to know where every one of the 700K ballots are. There's no guarantee that all of them made it to the schools in the first place.

It's insane that they'd let even one official ballot stray from the official voting areas.

Let's get a law written against this ASAP. Student ballots should be printed on coloured paper.

Posted by: kyla at January 23, 2006 1:12 PM

Don't let your paranoia go into overload...

Which of course, in Kate-speak means...Be paranoid. I don't think I'll be holding my breath waiting for a careful follow-up on what real impact this will have on that thing some of us see as reality, since that is, of course, not the point. The point is to churn out conspiracy and to get the minions foaming and frothing. Who knows, though? Maybe this'll be the "scoop" that finally brings you real credibility. The "memogate" that's eluded you (and apparently, Judi McLeod) so far.

Ah, Small Dead Animals...where ideas are put on a spit and slow-roasted over a mesquite fire. Tasty.

Posted by: Ti-Guy at January 23, 2006 1:32 PM

Good lord you folk are paranoid...

All that missing Adscam money will do that.

Not to mention two billion dollars for gun control. There has to be payoffs and kickbacks in that.

Posted by: ol hoss at January 23, 2006 1:48 PM

Ti-Guy, for as much trolling as you do, you dont' seem yet to understand how blogs work. Read the comments above.

The process of weeding out good information from bad is not a bug - it's a feature!


Posted by: Kate at January 23, 2006 1:51 PM

You know, these stupid ballots are most probably nothing but you have to wonder at sending out 100,000's of the damn things unmarked with something obvious like "specimen" "test" all over them. Surely to the most innocent elections person, having almost a million official ballots floating around cannot be a good thing?!

It makes me wonder how much care is taken with all the other ballots before/during/after the election?

It's not that I don't have basic trust in Canadians to run a decent election, more or less, but if you fail to control for even the most elementary opportunities for fraud, it can easily raise questions about the process which in the end ARE damaging to everyone.

Posted by: Fred at January 23, 2006 2:58 PM

I ran the Student Vote at my school, and they don't look like official ballots to me - they say "Student Vote - Vote Etudiant" right on the back. BTW, most of you will be happy to hear that at our school, the Conservative candidate won!

Posted by: jason at January 23, 2006 3:55 PM

I find it fascinating that all of you morons are raving about ballot box stuffing when - given the way in which federal elections are conducted - there is absolutely no chance that one person could cast two ballots.

I mean, don't you remember? You stand in line, your name gets checked off against the registration for your polling station. You walk over to the polling station and get a ballot. You walk behind the screen to mark and fold your ballot. You come back and hand the folded ballot to the poll worker, who drops it in the box, which scrutineers are watching all the time.

How, exactly, do I get to deposit all my extra ill-gotten ballots? (Leaving aside the fact that all ballots, registrations and blank ballots are accounted for... any discrepancy would show up immediately).

I'm wondering if any of you have ever actually voted in an election before. It's the only explanation I can come up with.

Posted by: Craigers at January 23, 2006 4:03 PM

Iron Lady wrote: If Tories get in, please let the first cuts they make be in discretional spending to cut off Maude Barlow and the Status of Women types. If they have such strong support, let their supporters fund them.

Excellent point. Although part of me wishes that they would just transfer the funding to REAL Women of Canada, the whole idea of government "funding" of advocacy groups will always be a nightmare, even if they are ones we like.

Posted by: Roseberry at January 23, 2006 4:29 PM

hicks.

Posted by: Paraniod Conservatives at January 23, 2006 5:38 PM

Ian H., you don't get it, do you? The imbecilic, I would argue corrupt in the Soviet &/or Mafia sense, folks at Elections Canada distributed 455,566+ official ballots across the country in the middle of an election campaign in a program strongly influenced by leftist groups.

There is no excuse for this. None!

The ballots could easily have been another colour or been marked "Sample", "Demo", or "Invalid".

Instead, hundreds of thousands of official Canadian ballots are floating around the country guarded by elementary schools.

If that doesn't strike you as profoundly "stupid", then look in a mirror for a definition.

Posted by: Chris from Victoria, BC at January 23, 2006 5:52 PM

AFTERTHOUGHT: Regardless of whether Elections Canada is partially corrupted by the Liberal Party or not, there is impropriety and then there is the appearance of impropriety.

An election must be free from both. It is simply extremely bad judgement to give an OFFICIAL Elections Canada ballot to anyone other than a voter. This is (at the very best) bad judgement x 455,566.

I strongly support civics lessons in schools. It should be a mandatory class - and mock elections are great. But not with real ballots.

Think, people.

Posted by: Chris from Victoria, BC at January 23, 2006 6:09 PM

The CBC site seems to be breaking the election rules. http://www.rcinet.ca/rci/en/ is streaming their election coverage.

Posted by: Kevin Ward at January 23, 2006 7:24 PM

i was in a grade five classroom today and saw the "ballots"; they were photocopies of the real thing, obviously not the realy thing itself (which is on yellow paper, no?

i wouldn't worry.

Posted by: markdsgraham at January 23, 2006 8:17 PM

Regarding the student ballots and why am I nervous about them...

1. Edmonton Centre proven voter list is corrupt with truck stops, stripper joints and nonexistant address listed for Liberal lawyers and so on. This is a major issue, but realitically who needs ballots then?

2. I live in Calgary, a supposide hotbed of Christian values and such.

Ward 10 elections, 1000+ false ballots for Aftergood caught red handed. Two reasons why this may have transpired:

1. Really stupid people
2. Inside connections

Worse, our Liberal mayor, Bronco, made us innocent Calgary taxpayers pay 60% of the lawyer fees for the Aftergoods and canceled the judges review on the situation.

So join the dots. Liberal mayor helping PC candidate of a closet Liberal premier.

So, what would it be to 'misdirect' a few thousand if not hundred thousand ballots, or even legit ones mixed in the practice ones.

Posted by: tomax at January 24, 2006 2:36 AM

The Liberals wouldn't cheat just because they get paid for every vote, would they? Naw...

Posted by: Platty at January 25, 2006 12:16 AM

Student Votes ballots (in this area at least) are printed on ordinary photocopier paper, have "Student Votes" and the student votes logo on each one. They are larger than regular ballots and printed in a different font type too. They are not torn out of a booklet, like real ballots, nor do they have a serial number or counterfoil strip like real
ballots.

In short, no one is stuffing ballot boxes with student votes ballots, unless someone is bribing poll clerks, DROs, poll supervisors and scrutineers on a massive scale. Given that these people are usually students and seniors, often idealistically 'doing their bit' for Canada's democracy, this whole discussion is rather insulting.

-sis

Posted by: sis at January 25, 2006 1:09 AM

Kate, her tongue firmly in her cheek, I suspect, writes: "Don't let your paranoia go into overload, but there are more details emerging from school voting story that raise significant questions about the judgement of those at Elections Canada in allowing over 700,000 official ballots out of their hands, and into those of Maude Barlow, David Suzuki and the CBC."

First the Left Cabal did a pretty poor job, in retrospect. It was, however, a winding, sinuous path, including a) brainwashing students, b) distributing ballot-like papers to them, c) collecting them and stuffing them into ballot-boxes under the noses of DROs and assorted inside scrutineers, and d) counting them, missing initials, different paper and all, not to mention buggered-up ballot tallies, under the same noses.

The real mystery, however, is how Walter Robinson and Hugh Segal, right up there on the FVC Advisory Board along with Suzuki and Barlow, are ignored by the sharp-eyed rightwingers who have managed to sniff out the latter. Are they now part of the Left Cabal too?

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at January 25, 2006 5:56 PM
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