The concept of one government department hiring lobbyists to try to influence other departments must be:

a) the ultimate proof that the Liberals have destroyed any effectiveness in the public service; or
b) that the Liberals are corrupt and like handing money to their friends however absurd the reason.

Mark
Ottawa

h/t to my Mom.

Inopportune time: The MSM keep saying these investigations are bad timing. Bad timing for who? They don't say bad timing for the liberals - just bad timing. She says it is great timing for Canadians.... they can see the truth before they vote.

Typical Lie-beral bull, how can Kim Doran or anyone with a shred of intelligence, claim that this isn't a conflict of interest?

According to Angry, Kim Doran's consulting firm contributed big time to the Liberal Party. If this is true and no value was received by taxpayers for this payment, this is ADSCAM, part 2. We desperately need a regime change to get to the bottom of the corruption and kickback culture that permeates federal Liberal politics.

Wait a second... I'm not sure I'm getting all this, so could somebody correct me if I'm off base.

The Liberals gave money to one of their own consultants to go out and lobby the government to add money to one of the Liberal's own programs? That sounds like the Liberals were trying to falsify the level of support for a pet project of theirs just so that they could say there was public support and thus justify its continuence.

Am I getting that right?

This kind of stuff makes taxpayers heads explode.

Just what is going on here? Is there REALLY no end to this? Just when the electorate's eyes are popping like 'organ stops'over the most recent Liberal Party of Canada revelation....here comes another!
Yesterday, the MSM reported that Martin announced funding specifically targeted to mental health programmes. Do you think that was intended to benefit him.....or the rest of us!?

So now we have to measure the time between scandals in hours?

More allegations of Liberal fraud or incompetence?

Remember none of this has been proven in a court of law.

I'll believe it when I hear it from Peter Mansbridge.

I can't comment further as the matter is under police investigation.

$155,180 Million Reasons to Vote Liberal!

Kate, you need to have an odometer type of rolling numbers on this site counting the money the Libranos have stolen.

LOOOOOL!

Martin has stated it is the Opposition(read CPC) making these allegations--funny--it is Tom Godfrey in the Toronto Sun that reported this first. I wonder if the Civil Servants are finally unafraid to come forward--do they smell a change of government and feel safer bringing these things into the light of day?
With an honest and open Whistleblower law these things could not go on forever like they do now. Think of how much money could have been saved if honest people could report the slimy practices of, at this point, the Liberal government.

Do not look directly at the Martin-Liebrano meltdown fireball. You will go blind.

I see to recall one of the blogs (SDA or Western Standard) running a piece a while back with Scott Brison speaking at a press conference referring to a "number of investigations" that are currently underway - The accokpanying photo showed Paul Martin giving Scott the evil eye basically saying "Shut up about that!" - jog anyone's memory?

Okay, this now makes torpedo number three.

Yesterday, PM Paul Martin suggested the Options Canada stuff was 10 years old. To Gilles Duceppe on CPAC it was all pretty fresh in his mind. Dauphine apparently has some close Paul Martin connections.

This new "nuclear fireball" (kudos to Shaken) is dated 2003.

I wonder if this blood is fresh enough, for the forensic scientists. This is unbelievable, call in "CSI: Crime Scene Investigators". They will need to look at every department across the board.

I guess torpedo number 4, can't be far off.

Liberal election ship, crippled badly, taking water fast. Life boats are about to be manned.

Watch for the last salvos from the guns, before she goes under. So keep your helmets on.

Hans,
And I can just see Belinda swimming around after jumping shilooking for "the biggest log" to grab ahold of.

Ok,, this is crazy,,I cant believe this one. Dont they have caucas meeting and cabinet meeting to go over stuff like this. If this country elects even one Liberal MP on the 23rd we deserve everything we get. A member of the Lib exec, getting a grant from one ministry to lobby another ministry, I want to see the accounting on this down to the last penny. They are not even trying to hide their arrogance anymore. Totally Disgusted

Heading out for some beer and popcorn so I have something to enjoy while watching tomorrows scandal release...for joy for joy!

You just got part of it right(surecure). The part that makes me vomit is that likely the main purpose of it all was to pay $380,000.oo to one of their contributers for nothing other than "fraternizing" and possibly a "verbal" report.

This kind of blatant manipulation and theft of taxpayer dollars would never happen in a place like Hans Island, where the rule is law and law rules.

Anyone here notice how an investigation by the RCMP never has a conclusion to it???

Currently there are 33 different supposed investigations underway involving the Liberal Party.

What happened to the 19 separate investigations into Shawinigate?

What happened to last spring's investigation into the Reid/Dosage blatant bribery of Grewal affair?

It's become obvious that the RCMP is securely in the back pocket of the Liberal Party of Canada, and high time an independent investigation agency be created so that we make the appropriate convictions, and throw these politicians, bureaucrats, and other related white collar criminals behind bars where they belong for a long, long, time.

hey doug: do you think belinda is now eyeing a new job. Official leader of the opposition?

While it is likely impossible to accurately track money misappropriated and lost by this government (though I would like someone to try), we can track the number of police investigations involving them. Is is not 35 now with the two latest additions?

I am incredulous. Whenever stuff like this happens, and it's all the bloody time, it's also learned of the players' ties to one another, and they're all Liberal and Liberal cronies. I've covered scandals on TCS, describing the many ties that just add up to a huge pile of steaming crap...

I see a pattern... extreme corruption, waste of tax dollars, cronyism galore, seemingly in everything the Liberals do... it's as if they're all about using tax dollars for personal enrichment and luxurious enjoyment... such is the culture of entitlement...

A leak a day about corruption inside the Liberal government... it suggests that most likely the Liberal Party has discontents hellbent on destroying the Party because of its leader's treatment of all who refused to kiss his royal ass...

To sum it up: the Liberal Party is about the exploitation of Canada and Canadians for the enrichment of loyal Liberals...

They could care less about Canada and Canadians.

We don't need them. Never did.

i guess this is number 35 the redcoats are chasing. if this keeps up the RCMP will run out of mounties.

spike: you realize of course that the mounties are understaffed; they haven't seen an increase proportional to population growth in 15 years.

(This from a source who is in my community)

For example another officer who is my aqaintance was assigned to the Picton case in which some 20 prostitutes are looking at the wrong side of the lawn. The officer's section is supposed to have staff of 7 yet are filled with 3.

Then we expect the mounties to "hold the line".

I'm sure they would like to hold the line, but when leadership institutes what amounts to decimation, how is that going to happen?

I have a pretty good idea where I will be placing my ballot and you can be assured the party does not have an "L" in it.

Funny how a speech of Harper's 10 years ago proves he's evil, while another scandal, also 10 years old, is to be dismissed because Martin is now in charge and things are pristine under his management. As posted elsewhere, Elections Canada is now looking into Options file.

Love the "reaction"!

More connections between Capital Hill and the federal Liberals and the Coalition for Gun Control?

http://www.capitalhill.ca/eng/default.asp?id=23

Mark Quinn was at one time a Special Assistant to the Deputy Prime Minister.

Mr. Quinn is another lobbyist with the Capitol Hill Group.

Mr. Quinn is also the registered lobbyist for EDS Canada. This is the same outfit which landed all those large computer contracts from the Canada Firearms Centre.

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/ec/lrrs/registrationSummary.do;jsessionid=000
0sZ2fyCyExg2BpUJIpCQ5MEu:vdd1k0er?browse=1&language=eng®Id=9161

Make of this what you will. However given the links between Ms Doran and the Coalition for Gun Control it might worthwhile to list off who has been getting all the Canada Firearms Centre contracts and look at their lobby connections to the Liberals.

Ironlady, Martin WAS in charge 10 years ago as Finance Minister. For heavens sake, if the Finance Minister is not ultimately responsible for and in charge of financial controls within the federal government, who is?

Those pundits in the picture Kate provided via the link just above actually look much more intelligent than the pundits we've seen being interviewed by the likes of Don Newman and Craig Oliver... they'll tell it like they REALLY see it.

However, they don't seem to like what they're hearing at that precise moment... hell, look at the little guy with his hands on his face... how dare Paulie scare the little people like that?

WarHammer,
Why do you think Harper wants an independant Prosecutor in place. Exactly for the purpose of putting some of these criminals behind bars. We need to see a few perp walks in this country to get some confidence backin the Federal Government.

This habit of conservatives assuming something is wrong just because it appears to be wrong is getting very tiresome. The Canadian public is not going to put up with this. These unwarranted allegations imply wrongdoing on the part of the people we Canadians trust and are inconsistent with the Liberal values which have made Canada great and being a Liberal the envy of the world. Shame on you.

I am sure Ms. Doran didn't get this contract just because she's a Liberal. I'm sure she worked very hard for the money and the taxpayers got real value for their money. The Justice Department would no more grant this kind of fishy contract than libel a former (Conservative) Prime Minister- or the entire department needs a house cleaning. How ridiculous can you get.

Clearly conservatives don't understand Liberal values (or the value of being a Liberal.)

None of these allegations have been proven in a court of law. They're just allegations. The CBC wont' even touch ... .

Terry,

Over the past twelve years, we have seen the Liberals grow increasingly tired.

We have seen them grow increasing arrogant.

Where there is smoke there may not be fire, but when a forest fire starts roaring and racing, it sounds like a freight train.

Those more experienced than you have learned how to recognise the signs and sounds.

Tired.

Is someone(s) telling the RCMP to halt, cease, & desist? Why? >>>

RCMP says standard procedure followed in public handling of leak probe
OTTAWA (CP) - The Mounties insist there's nothing untoward about the very public nature of their mid-campaign investigation of the income-trust issue. >>>
via cnews

Doran....what a bobblehead....got$76,000 per month for what?? Her advise?? On what?

THE PUNDITS REACT.

ROTFLMAO

Terry

That is one of the most subtly scarcastic posts I have ever seen. Well done Terry ROTFLMAO!!! Brushing away tears.

Syncro

TerryGain terrific up to and including that last line...

Synco,

My aim was of course to humour my fellow travellers and sound so much like a lame brained Liberal that some might be on the verge of taking me seriously before realizing I was putting them on.

I think that subtle sarcasm is a satisying way of dealing with people who are beyond contempt.

" Clearly Conservatives don't understand Liberal values (or the value of being Liberal)"

Priceless!!! I suppose someone could do the math and come up with a figure. I would guess the mean value of being Liberal at say..........$45,000.00/month.

Syncro

"THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM" - a perfect description of Paul's current problems, taken from cbc 'anchors away' (CSL) broadcast 2003:

Professor Elizabeth DeSombre studies the effect of flags of convenience.
“Ultimately it is, unfortunately in this world, a trade-off between the amount of money you’re going to make and the level of standards you’re going to accept,” says professor Elizabeth DeSombre. She studies the effect of flags of convenience at Wellesley College near Boston.
DISCLOSURE: Paul Martin would say ‘I have no choice but to play by these rules. I mean, everyone else is doing it.’
DeSOMBRE: To some extent he’s right that he has no choice but to avoid playing by the rules is a better way to put it. I mean, this whole process has driven maritime industry out of the advanced industrialized democracies because they can’t afford it.
DISCLOSURE: It’s what some people call ‘the race to the bottom’?
DeSOMBRE: Absolutely.

May he rest in peace!

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Now I understand the timing of the winter election.

Does anybody think the Libs knew this was coming, and that's why they were trying to hold off until post-Gomery II? It would have bought them time to either bury it, or distract voters with more goodies. The Libs look like a party of jaded swingers who have just come off a 12-year bender.

Hey !!!!!
That's a picture of Craig Oliver's clone at junior sycophant, er, uh interview school.

He can't blink either, poor gaffer!

If the Liberals win a min. I think it's revolution time, old school style.

Nah, Mark, it won't be a Liberal minority. A few days before the election Ralph Klein or some Conservative backbench MP will say something (or be quoted out of context to appear) scary or stupid. Then, spooked Ontario voters (who apparently scare easily) will stampede back to the Liberal party. With the Ontario sweep, the Liberals will form a majority government.

Ed,

Lieberal Majority? Puleeeeeze. I've established sarcasm squatting rights on this site. Please show some respect to those of us lining your pockets and don't do this again without my approval.

Terry, I'm being totally serious. The Liberals are not polling down in single digits alongside the Communist party, but are instead leading polls in Ontario and within the margin of error of the lead nationwide. This suggests to me that Canadians in general (and Ontarians in particular) are fundamentally dishonest and will reward the Liberals with a majority.

Come on Ed. This internecine warfare isn't doing either of us any good. I've posted a dozen sarcastic blogs here there and everywhere today in order to get my point across and you have to try to top me. If this keeps up I'll change my name to Rodney.

Canadians will no more re-elect this incompetent Liberal bunch than they would ignorantly show that they don't appreciate how blessed we are to have a neighbour like the United States.

But if they do, there sure as hell better be a separatist movement in Albera 'cause if these eastern Canadians don't get it now they never will.

Terry-Rodney, I wish I was being sarcastic, I really do.

Terry and Ed: Terry I hope your right. Ed I hope your wrong. Mark, Mr. Parker Hale is ready to go.

Greg, I fully agree with your last post, except for the last statement, Lee Enfield.

Syncro

Greg, I hope I'm wrong too. But I don't think I am.

Just boggles the mind. The events of the last two weeks is just makign my head spin. How can anyone justify voting for these crooks after all of this.

Is this a reflection of "Canadian Values"?

canajuns will continue to vote for a culture of entitlement and kickbacks that has become ingrained into the system for more than three generations. Its a creeping socialism that is taught from cradle to grave. (whats next for the Libs---offer free funerals to retirees?)

Ed if you are right and there is a Liberal sweep, (and this of which you cynically espouse of is an Ontario based irrational fear of change) then make your self readied for a change of the most radical, and most terrifying you could never have imagined...

The like of which I am loath to tell you of...

Say, am I the only one not to receive an "entitlement" in the last dozen years? If I remember correctly, that was about the time they 'downsized' me from the military,found an error on my tax return and went after an unemployed guy with the ferocity of a pit bull.

This of course begs the question: If none of these illegal spending of taxpayer's dollars had happened, just what would the real tax rate be today?

This off of another discussion forum....concerning the GunScamdal.

Someone has been doing some digging....

Who is David Rodier?

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I just went to Strategis and did a search on CGC.....this name and file details was included below Kim Doran.

Anybody got any ideas?

I notice that government funding is BLANK.

Consultant Lobbyist Detail Report 2006/01/07

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Please note that the text appears in the official language in which it was submitted by the lobbyist.
Reg #:005 Lobbyist #:0016060 Doc #: 1-2003079-3

B: Lobbyist and Firm Information:

Surname: RODIER Given Names: DAVID Initials: Prefix:
Title: CONSULTANT

Firm: COMMUNICATION ET STRATEGIE INC.

Business Address: 300 - 66 QUEEN
City: OTTAWA Province: ONTARIO
Postal Code: K1P 5C6 Country: CA
Phone #: 613-235-0221 Ext: N/A
Fax #: 514-235-9694 Internet: drodier@comstrategie.com
Effective Date: 2003/03/19 Termination Date: N/A

C: Client:
Client: COALITION FOR GUN CONTROL

Principal Rep.: WENDY, CUKIER
Business Address: 1301 SHERBROOKE STREET EAST
City: MONTREAL Province: QUEBEC
Postal Code: H2L 1M3 Country: CANADA
Phone #: 514-528-2598 Ext: N/A
Fax #: 514-528-2598 Internet: CGCMONTREAL@COMPUSERVE.COM

E: Subject-matter(s): Areas of Concern:
JUSTICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TAXATION AND FINANCE

F: Subject-matter(s): Particulars:
Legislative Proposals : MAINTAINING CANADA'S FIREARMS CONTROL LEGISLATON
Bills of Resolution :
Regulations :
Policies and Programs :
Grants or Contributions :
Contracts :

G: Government Institution(s):
JUSTICE CAN. PRIVY COUNCIL OFFICE
SOLICITOR GENERAL CAN. TREASURY BOARD OF CAN.

H: Government Funding:

I: Contingency Fees:
No

J: Communication Technique(s):
ARRANGE ONE OR MORE MEETINGS GRASS-ROOTS CAMPAIGN
INFORMAL COMMUNICATION(S) MEETING(S)
PRESENTATION(S) TELEPHONE CALL(S)
WRITTEN COMM. PAPER/ELECTRONIC

Other Beneficiaries
Reg #: 005 Lobbyist #: 0016060 Doc #: 1-2003079-3

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Here's a hit

Quote:

Offices / Ottawa

NATIONAL offers seamless communications expertise in the nation's capital.

David Rodier
Senior consultant David Rodier assists NATIONAL-Ottawa and specializes in public affairs and strategic communications for the private sector and government organizations. Prior to joining NATIONAL, David served as a senior consultant for another public relations firm. He was also an aide to a federal Minister for almost seven years, for whom he served as the liaison with MPs from Quebec and Atlantic Canada and was responsible for many political files.

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Here's one more:

Quote:
David Rodier
Senior Consultant
NATIONAL - Ottawa, Ontario

David Rodier is a versatile communications expert with over 15 years experience in planning and executing high profile media events and providing policy, strategic and communications advice to elected officials and senior officials from the Federal Government, national non-governmental organizations and private sectors.

Rodier joined NATIONAL Public Relations in January 2005 after working as a senior consultant in Ottawa for another Montreal-based public relations firm. He was also an aide to the Honourable Allan Rock at both the Department of Justice and Health Canada for almost seven years. He served as the liaison with MPs from Quebec and Atlantic Canada and was responsible for many political files.

Rodier has also worked on an abundant number of high profile government issues, including the Newfoundland Schools Constitutional Amendment and the Federal Government’s Organized Crime Bill, as well as the Tobacco Control and HIV/ AIDS files. David’s proudest career accomplishment is his role in the adoption of world precedent setting picture warning labels on tobacco products. In 2002, Rodier was the recipient of the Non-Smokers Rights Award of Merit for his work on tobacco issues.

Rodier has developed strategic communications plans in several sectors including health, pharmaceutical, telecommunications, mining, oil and gas, international relations, engineering, public security and aboriginal affairs. He is also involved in several community endeavors covering children’s advocacy, HIV/AIDS, tobacco and gun control.

Rodier served as Quebec’s Tour Director for the Prime Minister of Canada in the recent federal general election. He managed a staff of 15 that was responsible for the organization and execution of all Quebec campaign events attended by the Prime Minister.

Rodier holds a B.A. in History from McGill and an L.L.B. from the University of Ottawa, having completed his B.A. in English and his law degree in French.

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His company was sold to National Public Relations in Montreal.

An article I found has a list of Communication et Strategie Inc clients at time of sale....

Includes:

Privy Council Office
Industry Canada
Canadian Millenium Scholarship Foundation

CMSF has a list of recipients of awards....including an RMC student.(I thought you didn't go to RMC unless DND sponsered you to become an Officer?)

http://kmvoice2.tripod.com/kmv/scandal/050103_cnw.htm

I ran his name in the Strategis search and he did not come back as a registered lobbyist, but when I searched under Coalition for Gun Control he came up.

His termination date is the same as most of Kim Doran's projects.........incidentally....2005/06/10...now look below:

Ottawa, June 10, 2005
2005-041

Canada Will Assume the Presidency of the Financial Action Task Force in 2006
Related Document

Backgrounder

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Minister of Finance Ralph Goodale today announced that the Government of Canada has agreed to take on the Presidency of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) for a 12-month period beginning July 2006.

The FATF was established by the G-7 group of nations in 1989 in response to mounting concerns about the growth of money laundering. In 2001, its mandate was expanded to include terrorist financing. The Task Force examines money laundering and terrorist financing techniques and trends, reviews national and international policy efforts and recommends additional measures for action.

The announcement of Canada’s assumption of the Presidency was made earlier today in Singapore as part of the FATF’s annual Plenary Meeting. Frank Swedlove, Assistant Deputy Minister of the Financial Sector Policy Branch at the Department of Finance Canada, will act as the FATF President during this period.

"Canada plays a leading role in the fight against money laundering and terrorist financing," said Minister Goodale. "Canada is committed to maintaining a strong and viable anti-money laundering and anti-terrorist financing regime."

The FATF’s recommendations represent the global standard against which all anti-money laundering and anti-terrorist financing regimes are now judged. The Task Force is made up of 31 countries and territories and two regional organizations, which represent nations in the European Community and the Arabian Gulf. It also cooperates closely with a global network of FATF-style regional bodies that represent an additional 120 countries.

Remember Elie Betito and "take your NRA gun loving ass back......"

I ran Apotex..........his name came up.....same termination date......2005/06/10

Barry Sherman........Apotex........2005/06/10

Jack Kay.......Apotex.......2005/06/10

In fairness to some....is there a set time period which expires and has to be renewed?

There's a sh*tload of lobbyists with that termination date..........WTF? Somebody got a reasonable explanation?

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Well done people. This is the type of stuff that really makes a difference. Keep digging and send it

I found the money laundering bit regarding Rodier just a tad funny in an absurdist sort of fashion. You don't suppose they were doing reseach were they?

8 straight 11 billion surplus budgets. That would be something to crow about if the money was spent on the shameful spectacle of homeless mentally ill who I step over every day on the corner of Burrard and West Georgia in Vancouver, reconstructing what was once the 4th greatest military in the world, improving the record of the most expensive medical system which currently ranks 28 out of 29 of countries with state provided medicine or actually providing state funded daycare as opposed to talking about it for 12 years.

The Liberals are great at sucking our pockets dry but not so great at government. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They have had too much power for too long.

That being said I believe that Harper is a two faced traitor who has wheeled and dealed together with Gilles Duceppe to get to where he is and who is rubbing his hands with glee as to how to dismantle Canada as we know it and feed it to his friends the Americans.

This is the man who could not answer the first question posed in this campaign "Do you love Canada".

But the Liberals placed Harper in the position to send our sons to Iraq, sell our oil and wood cheap to the Americans, and divy of the spoils with his ally Mr. Duceppe.

That is why I am voting NDP.

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