I am glad that Marcie apologized. I think that if she wants to run a blog site, she should work on proper grammar and use of capitals! Marcie would be wise to sit back and read your site more, she might get an education.

Too much like a soap opera. Shhesh, people have pretty thin skin. Particularly the Lefties.

But none of us, to my knowledge, have threatened to sue Kate. Thin skin? PKB.

I don't intend this thread to be used for any criticism of Marcie or her blog writing.

Sue for what???

Dawg isn't very perceptive, or he'd have noticed a long time ago that the times I've used this site to criticize other bloggers are few and extremely far between.

I wasn't talking about this site. You do keep it fairly clean, Kate, and I've never questioned that. You know very well that I was referring to your threats to sue Marcie and the CBC, and maybe even the hint of a lawsuit in my direction once upon a time.

If you're going to be provocative and pointed (all good, as far as I'm concerned), you have to expect a little blowback. MWW certainly provides that, but you do invite it, with the photoshopping and all. And, with respect to her, you have failed to meet your own standards on SDA, if I recall correctly (this has gone on quite long enough, and I can't be bothered looking for the piece, but you'll remember it).

Politics, in general, I find populated by people with thin skins and a lack of emotional and intellectual fortitude.

This forum is an exception.

There are a large number of political bloggers who, when disagreed with, get their backs up against a wall quite quickly, and act emotionally hurt.

Dawg - try a little experiment. Search the site for posts about MWW and get back to me with your total.

Who's Marcie? And who cares?

Good on you Kate, this little bit of the Navy is proud of you.

OT - breaking news - It looks like the RCMP will be investigating the Investment Trust (alleged) leak. CTV is expecting a news conference from the ndp critic asap, then the RCMP.

Unbelievable. It's like there are little Canadian Teddy Kennedy and Cynthia Mckinney clones out there.

Wow.

Ah. My technical wizardry hasn't failed me. Four references in total. It was the first one that I was referring to.

If you're going to respond that MWW has posted considerably more about you, don't bother. I know. She obviously has a hate-on for you. But remember how this all got started, over at the Western Standard. It's frankly not very nice to make smart-ass remarks about jails and residential schools when you're trying to score points off a First Nations person, nor to play the photoshop game. That can make the target dislike you. Intensely. And that's precisely what happened.

But threatening to sue co-bloggers for even linking to MWW is what got me irritated, and disappointed, too. That's pretty extreme, it seems to me. Even at her angriest, I can't see libel in MWW's posts, just a lot of dislike. All fair comment, if a large quantity of it.

Anyway, enough from me. At this point I'm just repeating myself. I still think you owe Marcie an apology, though.

Happy New Year.

Kate, ive been around the block a time or two, and i know class when i see it. I have not read marcies stuff, and i dont even know what the problem was, but that is an apology that is in a class by itself. Good for both of you. Just shows you can disagree and still be civil.

BTW, catch the big announcement coming soon on CTV, looks like the RCMP are going into the Goodale issue.

Jolly good show, young Marcie! Notice how she gave a proper unqualified apology; not a Liberal/Bertuzzi style "if somebody was offended by me accidentally snapping 4 of their their vertebrae, I apologize" sorta apology, but a real, Canadian-style apology. Exceptional form!

The little piles of stnky waste left by Dr. Dawg all over the Bloggosphere only bring notice to him continually mistaking his arrogance for some form of intelligence. Every day leaves him further in the past and more mired in delusion.

I think the true nature and character of Marcie came out before the apology and as far as I am concerned she has no credibility and should be banished from all media. Maybe then the left wing media would respect democracy instead of lefty pipe dreams.

kate, you're protected. no one can take down the mighty in mind and resolve. thank god you're on our side.

Dr Dawg -

Kate's e-mails with regard to Marcie's post were not intended to be made public; your obsession with the notion of "she threatened to sue!" is trying to turn a matter which should never have seen the light of day into Mt. Everest.

If your judgement as to what is, and is not, proper etiquette and discourse at a private level is to be followed by every blogger, will you please be so kind as to post the rules for all to see. Be thorough, complete, exhaustive, inclusive, detailed, and rigorous - no recourse to omissions or exceptions will be allowed.

PS - Go to the nearest library. Find a book of the collected works of 'Eric Frank Russell' containing the story 'And Then There Were None'. Read it. Learn about 'MYOB'. Take it to heart. (Maybe even buy a bicycle......)

"fellow-traveller", coined by Leon "Red Terror" Trotsky, was used by Dawg. Trotsky "liquidated"/ murdered dissenters, until Stalin murdered Trotsky. Smear tactic by Dawg? Who is the fellow-traveller? Dawg? >>>>

Meaning

Someone sympathetic toward a certain point of view without being a fully paid-up member of the club.

Origin

First applied to people who inclined toward the views of the Communist Party. Coined by Leon Trotsky. >>>>>
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/135600.html

Joey:

Kate seems to attract a horde of the chivalrous. But it is my business when the CBC censors a public blog post because of threats. It should be yours, too. Or do Conservatives only believe in freedom of speech for themselves?

This "should never have seen the light of day," you say? I bet Mike Klander's saying that about now. And a few other Liberals as well.

I was going to let this go, but when I see commentators who would normally scream about being stifled by the "MSM" suddenly rise to the defence of someone who has, well, stifled a commentator, I can't refrain from pointing out the hypocrisy.

Indeed, another commentator here sums up your dilemma perfectly: he wants Marcie banned from all media to teach the "left" a thing or two about democracy. I think I get it.

Dr. Dawg. "This "should never have seen the light of day," you say? I bet Mike Klander's saying that about now. And a few other Liberals as well."

Mike Klander published his remarks on his blog, which was available to anyone. Kate did not. Let us all drop this and leave it between two people where it belongs.

I'd be right pissed if private emails from me to anyone else, containing information we both knew should be kept between the two of us, were made public by a third party or anyone without the consent of both of us.

BTW Dr., I am part Indian, Anishinabe Ojibway ancestry if you're interested. And I can be as hard on Canadian Indians as Kate can I'm sure. I refuse to even have anything to do with the racist Department of Northern and Indian Affairs. Any self-respecting Indian should say the same as far as I'm concerned. Problem is that there are as large a percentage of Indians walking around looking for free handouts as there are white people.

Making public someone's private emails tells me more than I need to know about Dr. Dawg.

I have to wonder about the ignorance or complicity of the CBC webbie letting the link go.

Some here seem to believe Kate made a threat to sue in her emails. Read them again carefully. Nowhere did she actually say she would sue.

All she wrote was that she'd hold the parties mentioned in the emails responsible for libel. That doesn't automatically mean she'd necessarily sue. But I guess it's human nature to believe, at least in a knee-jerk exitable manner, the worst or most juicy interpretation of a story or post. Why, I've made that mistake myself in the past, but have learned from those mistakes.

Look, the offending link in question was removed, and the person who had put it up apologized for having done so, and Kate accepted the apology.

That's it. What else could there possibly be? Do some people want to milk a non-story or do they want to fight an election campaign instead?

wrath hath no fury like a women scorned...X 2

I live on a native reservation, and anyone that thinks Kate has it wrong should try spending a day on one.

The Liberals parachuted a Native candidate in my riding, but the "Iron"y is... Native Canadians are FINALLY awakining to the reality of what a Liberal government has to offer.

Brian Jean will be re-elected with a higher vote percentage than last election.

Socialism has the same effect on Native Canadians as it does on everyone else in the world...

"Making public someone's private emails tells me more than I need to know about Dr. Dawg."

BINGO . . shows the dawg is a really a snake . . . low self esteem probably

Dr D,

MWW....hmmm I would say calling someone a racist in today's society is pretty strong stuff. Most of us, rightfully so, would avoid those like the plague.

So when MWW uses that highly charged word and dissent have the fuel in her argument to back it up then I think the accusee (Ms Mac) is right to consider it a pretty serious charge. As well, Kate is right to correct the record and enforce it. It is legal and proper. Now this is the first time I have known about KM threatenting to sue...hardly Kinsella like proportions. If it becomes a regular habit, well...KM's reputation to create and defend in the way she fits.

But we all make our judgements. I am glad you have decided to join the merry band this discussion group that our host provides.

As for marcie.....nice going marcie...class for sure.

"Socialism has the same effect on Native Canadians as it does on everyone else in the world."

Colonialism has an even worse effect. You become a second class human being in your own homeland.

A kitten fight at best.

There are few things more boring than watching two women in a pissing match. No matter who wins, each participant has managed to piss herself silly.

There's a visual to take to bed tonight.

Mary
"Colonialism has an even worse effect. You become a second class human being in your own homeland." *snicker*

Yea, I am not a second class anything. The MAJORITY of Native Canadians in my community TAKE ADVANTAGE of living in a colinized country. It is unfortunate there are people like Mary that only know how to be a victim.

Last time I checked, we should ALL be grateful that Europeans set sail centuries ago, to create the lands we all love.

As I said before, socialistic welfare effects Indians no differently than it effects anyone else.

Why don't you set sail for whatever shitty communist nation you adore Mary... Your kind is not welcome in a free and blessed North America.

Cannibalism as defined by CTV.ca: Nasty bloggers, please STFU; you are all the same, don't you know? More: The "expert": speaking from authority. Not so, retorts Ink Wells: it has "charm".>>>

Liberal's comedown shows risks of blogging

Updated Wed. Dec. 28 2005 7:28 PM ET

Canadian Press

OTTAWA — Bloggers cannibalizing one of their own by exposing the offensive Internet musings of a Liberal party executive during a contentious federal election campaign should be a lesson to politicians and parties alike, says one expert.>>
http://www.rapp.org/url/?0FDU3ZXZ
ctv.ca

Oh, no. Is "It" on the prowl again?

"Some here seem to believe Kate made a threat to sue in her emails. Read them again carefully. Nowhere did she actually say she would sue."

Nice bit of parsing, here, Sentinel. Actually, not very nice. "I will hold the blogger responsible, the editors and the corporation responsible for libel," says Kate. Your apologia sounds a bit like some of the Lib bloggers apologizing for Klander. Won't wash with me. A threat is a threat--and it worked, too. Happy?

Dr. Dawg, you may choose to champion whoever you like, for whatever reasons. Having been introduced to MWW & "Edward T. Bear" & now Somena Media through SDA, CanConv & now CBC, I just have to say that she (MWW) is someone I personally would steer clear of and would definitely not champion. That, of course, is MHO but when one googles "somena" and "mental" you get some really interesting links.

If Kate were the only person MWW ever had a "hate on" for, I'd give your arguments credence, but she seems to have a bit of a history. Having run across a few *out there* bloggers, my personal preference is to BAIL...AWOOOGAAA AWOOOOOOGAAA Abandon Ship (as it were).

But again, that's just MHO.

Dawg, go somewhere else. It was you who chose to both publish the emails and then, without any further information - "elaborate" on the content.

You took Marcie at her word when you asked for them - now have the decency to let it drop, out of respect for her apology. It was sincere and unsolicited. It's unfair to her (and me, for that matter) to extend the controversy because of your dislike for me.

It is ironic, however, that you would denounce me for defending myself against libel, after calling for prosecution "under Canada's hate speech legislation (Section 319 [2] of the Criminal Code of Canada)" of Klander on behalf of Olivia Chow.

Knight ogmim wrote:

"I live on a native reservation, and anyone that thinks Kate has it wrong should try spending a day on one."

followed by:

"Last time I checked, we should ALL be grateful that Europeans set sail centuries ago, to create the lands we all love."

Knight, How come you're complaining about living on a "reservation" that was created by non-natives, is owned by non-natives, and is overseen by non-natives? You're FREE to abide by European RULE so what's your problem?

Am I the only one that has noticed when the letters M and W and W occur together the whole thread goes to hell?

Ick. I'm outa here.

I don't see much controversy here, just a happy ending, i.e. CBC and Marcie Abramowitz found out who MWW really is and acted appropriately.

Anyone who creates a hate site dedicated entirely to one other person, who fills it with threatening, obsessive and mildly dissociative ramblings should not reasonably pop up as a learning or reference resource on a taxpayer-funded political forum.

Ms. Abramowitz's unequivocal and sincere apology shows that it was never her intention to attack Kate by handing off the dirty work to someone predatory and unwell. If this is a big letdown for Dawg, he can always join forces with MWW -- you know, become her publicist, and just see which way the wind blows.

Look out Kate! MWW is getting a restraining order for you. Could you just LEAVE HER ALONE!?

/SARCASM OFF

Candace said: "Am I the only one that has noticed when the letters M and W and W occur together the whole thread goes to hell?
Ick. I'm outa here."

Candace, do you deny recently inferring that Kate is a "mud blogger", on par with MWW, at this website:
http://tabaker.blogspot.com/ ? Please, explain what you meant when you implied Kate McMillan of Small Dead Animals is a "mud blogger" on par with MWW.

Anybody got a rolled-up newspaper? The Dawg is again misbehaving. Bad Dawggie!

Dawg, *sigh*... in your response to me above, it's just sound and fury, signifying nothing. That was one of the times your brain shuts off, you lapse into big-word heaven and turn into your evil leftist self...

Like I said on your blog, you leftists don't take time to think, think, think before going on and on... just like a certain MWW. Y'all just don't want to understand a thing...

I'm disappointed, Dawg.

Take a break, boy, and go somewhere to lick your 'nads for a bit...

Kate:

OK, I'll let it drop, although bringing it all here was never my idea.

"You took Marcie at her word when you asked for them - now have the decency to let it drop, out of respect for her apology. It was sincere and unsolicited. It's unfair to her (and me, for that matter) to extend the controversy because of your dislike for me."

I don't dislike you. Thta's why I was disappointed in your actions. I thought they were beneath you, and I still do. If I disliked you, I wouldn't give a damn.

"It is ironic, however, that you would denounce me for defending myself against libel, after calling for prosecution "under Canada's hate speech legislation (Section 319 [2] of the Criminal Code of Canada)" of Klander on behalf of Olivia Chow."

It's not ironic at all. You had no case for libel. Klander, on the other hand, was arguably in breach of the Criminal Code.

Good old NDP. Here is Dr. Dawg, championing the right to free speech by publishing someone elses private emails, and being upset at Marcie for deleting part of her post. The same Dr Dawg who would now invoke the hate law against Klander for something he wrote. Go figure.

You need to spend less time worrying about my business, and more googling MWW's rather sordid history on the internet. I can't believe that anyone who is aware of deeply disturbed this woman is would purposefully set out to give her any credibility whatsoever. Something is clouding your judgement. I sincerely hope it's simple ignorance of the facts.

Dawg
"I don't dislike you. Thta's why I was disappointed in your actions. I thought they were beneath you, and I still do. If I disliked you, I wouldn't give a damn."

OJ
"If I did kill her it's because I loved her ...Right"

I should start taking bets on how long it will be before someone actually does sue Wacky-Williams.

I've been following the MWW issue for a while now and have read much of the back and forths of MWW and her many alter egos between Kate and others.

The whole thing started when MWW misunderstood the sarcasm and wording Kate once made in the heat of political/social policy debate to try and make a point. MWW, I have found in my recent dealings with her, doesn't care to understand what others are really trying to say and takes it upon herself to deem what they're saying regardless of her not understanding. MWW then labels people as she sees fit, with impunity. She has done this most particularly and hurtfully to Kate with incessant, harmful libel. She just won't stop. Like the Energizer Bunny beating the drum of unjustified defamation. It's beginning to look increasingly scary. I can hardly imagine how hard it is on Kate, as strong as she is, and she's VERY strong, I can tell. I mean, Kate's trying to do a good thing with SDA and everything and is very good at it. She doesn't need the harrassment and online stalking of this indubitably disturbed, delusional and incredibly arrogant, myopic individual. I'm not sure what, if any, legal resorts are available in today's Canada to put a stop to this indubitably criminal harrassment.

MWW has failed to make her case to me that her libels against Kate are justified. She merely made up totally irrelevant, illogical comparisons to other statements made by unnamed persons to try to make me believe her claims, but of course, that would never hold up in a court of law. It's not merely totally illogical, her attempt to justify the defamatory label she uses all the time against Kate, but is amazingly stupid as well. I have no doubt that MWW is not only making malicious libels but is also falsely accusing Kate of going after HER, whereas there's no evidence other than a couple of humorous posts poking fun at MWW, period.

Further, I recently asked, over and over again, these kinds of questions of MWW: Does she believe race matters? Does she care what race she or I or anyone is? Does she believe that her claimed racial/ancestral difference from others makes her somehow more special, better, more deserving or entitled to things to which I'm not, purely, exclusively on the basis of race or ancestry?

Guess what? Each time she responded, she ignored the questions completely. Over and over again. Now I cannot help but think she's some sort of an aboriginal supremacist or something. She obviously has some kind of race/ancestry-based superiority complex. Her attitude smacks of "I'm smarter than you; I'm right, you're wrong; think what I tell you or I'll call you a racist forever". Hmm... it's akin to some kind of reverse Nazism, doesn't it seem?

Oh, and also, I should note that I mentioned to MWW that I'm deaf, yet she went on not long after to make a slur as to my intellect. Wow, eh? Here we go with the "deaf and dumb" cliche. What a hypocrite that bigot MWW is! She's the pot calling the kettle black!

I think MWW's been brainwashed by the ultra-far left and has magnified the received dogmas into something monstrous and malicious via whatever intellectual and/or psychological deficiencies from which she's obviously suffering.

I have seen this kind of behavior in someone who actually stalked someone I know for years and eventually was arrested and placed under psychiatric care.

It should be understood that since MWW has been doing this intensive harrassment of not just Kate but others for so long and won't stop, she may feel she needs to do even more to feed her apparently abnormal psychological needs. How far might MWW go?

Scary.

You can see the back-and-forth on Stephen Taylor's and Dr. Dawg's sites for yourself.

Correction:

I earlier wrote:

"read much of the back and forths of MWW and her many alter egos between Kate and others.
."

That should read: "...back and forths between MWW and her many alter egos and Kate and others."

I think that the difference between a post on a blog and private e-mails between individuals has been sufficiently illustrated, but I did want to "chime in" and say to Dr. Dawg that I don't approve of censorship in any form, and am not looking for it here, on Marcie's site, or elsewhere. (Didn't mention it in my comment, eh? Unless there's some kind of "invisible font" that only certain readers can see; if so, please contact me, I'd find such a thing VERY useful...) What I was trying to say is simply that there's a difference between public discourse and private discussion. If that's no longer true - God help us all...................

And CHIVALROUS??? What led to that adjective? Is it now so odd to say anything positive about someone, or to take a concurring side in a discussion? I guess that in the future I'll have to start using the same language and approach as commenters at the Democratic Underground, who are so kind and thoughtful in what they say.

Read Eric Russell yet? The suggestion now holds even more weight than before.