My latest post is up at the CBC Rountable forum.
Posted by Kate at December 15, 2005 12:47 PMTrackBack URL for this entry:
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Like I said, Mark Steyn couldn't have said it better. But I wonder how many of the other writers in this little "competition" will even understand what you wrote.
Posted by: John Crittenden at December 15, 2005 12:55 PMWow,wow and more wow!!!!
Posted by: Iron Lady at December 15, 2005 1:02 PMthe first para . . Harper tells 'em Canada is the best country in the world.
But he does in a very diplomatic way, not a Martin poke-a-stick-in-their-eye-and pee-in-their-cornflakes childish way.
GREAT writing , esp "logical linguini'
Mind if I use that ?? . its super
Posted by: Fred at December 15, 2005 1:04 PMwhilst the Libs are leaking memos about getting trounced in Quebec Pravda is leaking Harpers truthful speech--but all indications are its "the hidden agenda"
I would have thought Paris Stronach would have had her copy of the hidden agenda already revealed.
Good work Kate
Posted by: cal2 at December 15, 2005 1:15 PMVery good reading. Unfortunately, I also decided to have a read of some of the other bloggers and it looks like it is open season on Kate & Stephen.
Your fellow bloggers/columnists also seem to have selective recall syndrome. They can remember when Stephen Harper said "XYZ" and that he has changed his stance but never mention Mr Dithers' 180s on just about everything.
I hope you continue to take the high road and don't get down to their name-calling kindergarden... err I mean Daycare mentality.
Well done, and well written, Kate.
In the early hours of this morning I drafted a similar article for my site, even tying it to the "first to go negative" implications. But a few hours later I decided to just invoke a "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" slant to the post.
No use giving more coverage to this than it deserves.
Posted by: Eiik Sorenson at December 15, 2005 1:16 PMAnother great post Kate....wouldn't it be truly pathetic if Iraq has a greater voter turnout than Canada. I'm trying to decide whether I would prefer to dodge bullets or snowflakes.
I read Glyn Evans post, and he is so far out of his league.
In his post today (and correct me if I'm wrong) but the Stephen Harper quote that follows was made in reference to supporting the Canadian troops that were in Iraq ( I believe that they were somewhere around 30 of them working with US Forces).
"It was probably not an appropriate term, but we support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win." - Stephen Harper supporting the U.S.-led war on Iraq, Montreal Gazette, April 2, 2003.
Posted by: John at December 15, 2005 1:28 PMWow. You're kicking butt & taking names. Good for you!
Posted by: Candace at December 15, 2005 1:33 PMVery good writing, Kate.
But maybe think a bit more about the audience. When you write at SDA and the WS, your audience are generally literate and well read people who can appreciate complex concepts and rational thinking, presented in a condensed and succinct manner. In other words, most of the audience speaks the same language, and have a similar world-view.
A CBC website will have a generally different audience, many of whom may find libertarian and conservative concepts foreign to their thought process. Speaking from personal experience, they're not stupid, just victims of years of spin and bias. Your/our philosophical world-view will be completely foreign to many of them, having never thought about it.
What do you think of maybe "dumbing it down" a bit? Your commentary is a whole new language for CBC.
Mad Mike
Posted by: Mad Mike at December 15, 2005 1:42 PMRead Harper's speech and Q&A from the Liberal website - and want to observe:
a) I took a class from Skagit Valley College's Dr. Anne Will on the subject of antebellum America - great college, great teacher - and agree with his observations on that. He clearly identifies the secession forces correctly - and the political party alignment.
b) He was (luckily) wrong on another Quebec referendum, but is right that the Reform forces won over the conservative movement. Exhibit A: Joe Clark. Exhibit B: Belinda Stronach. Exhibit C: BC Premier Gordon Campbell who clearly had aligned himself with the Canadian Alliance, then with the allied Conservatives.
c) Finally, best for last - this "hidden agenda" rhetoric is nothing more or less than the ignoble (but at least open) attempt of those on the left to create a "straw man" to run against.
Why would the left campaign against Steven Harper's Conservatives with their bold ideas when they can campaign against Jack Layton's/Paul Martin, Jr.'s "Conservatives"?!?!? I hope some of you see what I am saying here - and pontificate accordingly.
Posted by: Josef at December 15, 2005 1:47 PMWell done, Kate. Very well written (concise and articulate). Good on you.
Posted by: Mike at December 15, 2005 1:53 PMJust read the ENTIRE TEXT of Stephen Harper's "infamous" 1997 speech, including answers to questions. Thanks to the CBC for making this available. What character does this reveal? He doesn't agree with the Trudeauian vision of Canada. Arrest him immediately!! There is nothing there, so this will end being another failed attempt to discredit Mr Harper, to show his "true" agenda. This speech is essentially a historical description of the Canadian political culture (and he used the word "firewall" once). So what. If this is the best the Libs and their chattering buddies can come up with, the are truly pathetic. I hope Martin tries to use it tonight; then Harper can show that this man is truly desperate, that he will take a harmless speech, spin it out of context, for personal gain. Can't wait.
Posted by: Phil at December 15, 2005 1:57 PMThose undecided voters, hearing this 'chatter' though, might not want to bestir themselves to look beyond the spin. If it takes breaking down years of spin/corruption/malfeasance into 'beer and popcorn' to outrage Canadians, it's unlikely they'll actually go looking for the truth behind this current smear tactic. And the Libs know it.
Posted by: Iron Lady at December 15, 2005 2:08 PM"So far, so good. Now - would someone please explain to me why speaking such truths out loud is a bad thing?"
Kate, What makes what you said the truth? Why is "bad" in italics? Who is doubting this supposed truth?
Try dropping the cryptic code cute linguini crap. Clever does not equate to effective communication, rather it muddles and only impresses the confused.
This smacks of Gerry over at the NCC stating an obvious self-fulfilling prophecy so later he can say "look at me, see how smart I am."
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 2:14 PMUnfortunately you know the Liberals and their media will not let this go unless the Conservatives can turn it around to bite the Liberals...With all of the important issues to be debated, this stupidness could actually influence the outcome of the election - especially for undecideds. What if the Conservatives suggest that Paul Martin likely has some quotes that he would regret from when he was a young man in his mid 30's (as was Mr. Harper 8-9 years ago) before he entered public life. If the Liberals refuse to accept the entire content and context of Mr. Harper's speech, their sound bytes will stick with Canadians. Susan Murray on CBC Politics today tried to draw these into supporting more recent quotes from Mr. Harper. In that case - it should be war...Mr. Martin currently demonstrates how much he holds Canada in distain. Mr. Martin is above medicare - using his private clinic (with Income Trust!), and registering his ships off-shore instead of fixing the taxation problem that his company is circumventing, and hiring Chinese workers instead of Canadians for CSL...All these are current examples of how Martin truly feels about his Canada...words certainly don'd jive with deeds.
Posted by: ann at December 15, 2005 2:28 PMSpicoli's er uh, Glyn's Ehhhhhhhhxcellent hippie-wannabe antiUS site has an election poll. :)
Posted by: richfisher at December 15, 2005 2:33 PMHmmm... two votes for "dumbing it down". One from the left, and one on their behalf. That's a unanimous vote on something....
Posted by: Kate at December 15, 2005 2:52 PMPaul Martin is a very smart business person. He does what he has to do to ensure that CSL not only stays in business but produces a profit. If he were to change laws to benefit CSL that would be an abuse of power. Every shipping company in the world is structured like CSL.
This country needs a qualified experienced person like Martin. What are Harper's qualifications? Of everyone I've asked nobody knows. Why the big secret?
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 3:02 PMBoudria was a busboy. He seemed to do rather well for himself thanks to Cretin and not his credentials, apparently.
Posted by: Iron Lady at December 15, 2005 3:08 PMKate, I wouldn't say to dumb it down, but I did find that post to be less clear than the first.
Some of that may be because I am American, but I do think that your posts at CBC have been somewhat different than your usual writing style here at SDA. I think that you are a great writer, and an amazing voice in this troubled world, and am thrilled to read whatever you write. But I do hope that you will trust yourself, and not feel any need to be anything but your own genuine self.... Thanks for inspiring and educating us all!
Posted by: Peggy Snow Cahill at December 15, 2005 3:14 PM"This country needs a qualified experienced person like Martin. " . . . to do what ??
Suck & blow at the same time ??
Stand up in front of the world and lie about Canada's Kyoto progress ??
I could go on but Ron is just a Lieberal troll . yaaaaaaawn, haven't the time today to bait fools.
Posted by: Fred at December 15, 2005 3:15 PMHere's a little gem:
http://www.caw.ca/video/caw_article_980925_2e.htm
Posted by: Mrs Thatcher at December 15, 2005 3:24 PMPeggy - to answer your question, the format at CBC forum is different than it is here, where the focus is on lighter, quicker linkage and timeliness. They asked for more of a viewpoint type of commentary, as opposed to the drive-by snark to which I generally devote myself.
Posted by: Kate at December 15, 2005 3:25 PMBTW Ron, Martin did change Canadian law to the benefit of his flagging preference.
Posted by: Kate at December 15, 2005 3:26 PMWhat are Harper's qualifications?
Let's start with how he is NOT a lying, thieving, mafia-friendly lawyer from Quebec.
And if he comes out with a proposal for free lobotomies for anyone still stupid enough to vote lieberal, he will attain near-messiah status.
Posted by: Pd at December 15, 2005 3:26 PM"And if he comes out with a proposal for free lobotomies for anyone still stupid enough to vote lieberal, he will attain near-messiah status."
Let's put Ron's name at the top of that list !!
He won't even have to wait in a loooong long for his cherished Liberal Health Care Rationing system to come to his aid.
Do you think we will notice any difference in Ron's behaviour in the before & after status ??
Probably not.
Shweet :)
Posted by: Fred at December 15, 2005 3:38 PMThe question still remains unanswered.
What are Harper's qualifications?
BTW I'm not a Liberal troll or anybodys troll for that matter. I'm a realist that believes all politicians are either corrupt or become that way eventually somewhat...It's the nature of the beast. Knowing that, I support the most qualified person. At this point it just happens to be Martin. You're welcome to convince me otherwise but you'll have to show me the straight goods not just a bunch of child-like negative rhetoric.
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 3:42 PMRon
You ask "What are Harper`s qualifications"...there are many but one of the most important is that he is HONEST and he will not steal our tax dollars. Can you same the same for the Liberal Party? As for CSL being structured like every shipping company in the world this is just a cop out to avoid taxes and pay low wages...otherwise known as GREED...it`s a Liberal tradition! One other thing....so called "other shipping companys" don`t pollute our great lakes like CSL does! When the CPC forms the next Govt they will close the tax loophole and go after CSL for clean up costs that will run into the multi millions.
Posted by: AlW at December 15, 2005 3:46 PMGood work Kate.
Harper isn't scary.
Its that humans tend to gravitate towards someone that will tell them the good things, even if its a lie. Harper will tell you the truth even if its uncomfortable news to hear.
Examples:
Saddam is a tyrant that needed to be forced out, WMD or no WMD.
Our Health care system isn't a health care system at all. Its an accounting system.
You can't keep peace like hearding sheep. You enforce it with force.
The media is biased, because they are human beings like the rest of us. Humans have likes and dislikes, thats bias. The problem is that the media pretends that they are not biased.
Our biggest trading partner is the US. It is not good US-Canada relations to attack them to score points. You disagree, fair enough, say so, but don't rant from the top of your ivory tower with the clay foundation.
A gun is an inanimate object, just as a knife, a blunt object, even a paper clip is. They don't become a weapon till they are picked up by someone with the intent to do harm with due prejudice. And if the nutcases can't find a weapon, they tend to resort to their bare hands. Banning the weapon doesn't keep the nutcases from doing harm, incarceration does.
The charter is was never intended to award new rights and special statuses. The charter has a NWSC for a reason, to keep activist judges from getting out of hand. Laws are for the benefit of the whole, not a tool to create new rights.
Harper scary? No he's not. Political correctness is.
Posted by: gimbol at December 15, 2005 4:03 PMHonesty is not a qualification it's a trait yet to be demonstrated and to stand the test of time. This is my point precisely, you ask a question then get an off topic response. That's dishonest!
If CSL is polluting the Great Lakes and what they're doing is against the law then they should be charged.
Greed is what fuels business. Without business there would be no jobs...anywhere! Right back to caveman days. The neo-conservatives are greedy too. They lust for power. What about PC Mulroney, he was the most greedy SOB ever to walk this planet.
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 4:03 PMwhat were PMPMs qualifications.
right hand man to Maurice Stong.piloted in there by the old money of baystreet and daddy in parliament.
buys Canada Steamship lines at about age 30-- must pay big bucks between age 25 and 30 at Power Corp. front office. All he did was represent some old montreal family money.
Posted by: cal2 at December 15, 2005 4:07 PMKate,
Your post on the pravada's election site made me feel so good, I fear you might get busted for dealing digital drugs.
Watch out there Kate. Telling the truth can be addictive.
Posted by: Duke at December 15, 2005 4:07 PMSince the question can't be answered we have to assume Harper has no qualifications just a bucket load of bluster.
What's wrong with representing old money. Do I detect jealousy?
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 4:17 PM
Ron you say,
"I'm a realist that believes all politicians are either corrupt or become that way eventually somewhat...It's the nature of the beast"
First, you are conceding the Liberals are crooks
Secondly why not switch your vote to a party with no running start lead on stealing your money ?
Posted by: richfisher at December 15, 2005 4:19 PMWay off topic, but just noticed on CBC Kate:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/12/15/officer-shot.html
The man arrested in the police shooting death in Montreal has been banned from owing firearms since 1999, yet was still able to get permission to own a huge-ass hunting rifle. That's $2 Billion well spent!! While I am mindful of the sacrifice of this police officer and mean no disrespect to her memory or loved ones; this tragedy prefectly illustrates the problem will the Liberals approach re: guns. Mr. Harper would do well to mention this in the debates if it can be done in a sensitive & respectful manner.
Thanks.
Posted by: agenda exposer at December 15, 2005 4:27 PMrichfisher...That's the smartest thing I've read here so far. Yes, I beleive the Liberals are a bunch of crooks. However, I believe the conservatives will become that way eventually but with the added bonus of loss of free speech, rights/freedoms, bigotry and racism.
Ron,
Dare I suggest a novel idea for a Lieberal lefty but perhaps you could do a google search. Look up say Conservative Party of Canada for example. Look under LEADER drop down menu and Gasp! there it is: Biography...
Truth is that the likes of you tend to sling mud and crap than engage in meaningful discussions. You will probably take every third and fifth word from this and spin it into a satanic hidden agenda.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at December 15, 2005 4:39 PMCorrection....Under a conservative government bigotry and racism will increase.
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 4:41 PMAs I undedrstand the history of CSL - PM's daddy Paul Senior was main instigator in selling the Crown Corporation known as CSL to Power Corparation(Maurice Strong CEO at the time)for small change with proviso that Paul Jr. would become owner of CSL at future date. Once Martin family was financialy secure the son would be in position to become PM, an opportunity missed by the father. This was all layed out in an article by Peter C. Newman for MacLeans magazine away back in 70,s. So Martin's qualifications as PM are not very convincing Ron.
Regardless - great second article Kate.
Alex
Winnipeg
Thanks Texas, I will check it out and let you know of my findings. FYI I like to use even numbered words to spin my satanic web. The yin yang is better (it's a more balanced view).
Kate,
Very well done. I violently disagree with the "dumb it down" folks who believe that you should write poorer English prose so the Ryerson educated Tranna weenie crowd will feel affirmed in their CBC bottle fed, Ken Dryden daycare induced prosodic coma.
If any of your fellow bottle feeders on the CBC forum get too snarky, I'd be happy to toss in a few verbal mortar rounds -- gratis -- to clear the stage of any pablumesque Eastern whiners.
We could also call in the JTF to clear them a path home through the snow.
Best,
Plato's StepThong
Looks like this Ron fool is another liberano plant. Or maybe its just because it appears his mind is about as smart as one. PMPM is a crook!!!! Get it? Or do you really enjoy getting ripped off?
Posted by: FREE at December 15, 2005 4:51 PMAlex...Don't believe everything you read. Journalists are experts at nothing other than painting pictures to sell copies. There might be some truth there but where's the rest of the story. Witness Kate and her angst towards the media.
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 4:57 PMCall me crazy but I don't feel ripped off at all. The older I get the better I feel and the happier I've become.
The only plants here seem to be conservative vegetables. All in a neat uniform little row waiting to be harvested.
Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2005 5:04 PMHarper's qualifications:
he's an economist. Most would agree that the economy drives all other issues in the country. Doesn't it make sense to put an economist in charge?
Regarding the '97 speech, I think he should just pick a place and give it again. This would nullify any "hidden agenda" argument. Would show he stands by his words, and if his opinion has changed, why.
Posted by: Norman Lorrain at December 15, 2005 5:40 PMRon,
You're basing your comments about bigotry and racism on what, exactly?
I can mention a number of cases over the past decade of Liberal rule where 'free speech' has become less free - or is this because of the conservatives somehow too?
Ron said:
"BTW I'm not a Liberal troll or anybodys troll for that matter. I'm a realist..."
Why would I call a liberal troll like you crazy? I think liar fits much better. Your words betray a consistency of blather and arrogance that lead nowhere. You make statements on the Conservative leader but provide no logical basis to back it up which is typical Liberal modus operendi.
If you're nobody's troll then I guess you're calling PMPM a nobody.
Posted by: Martin B. at December 15, 2005 5:51 PMRon is really Scott Reid.
Posted by: Iron Lady at December 15, 2005 5:58 PM" Don't believe everything that you read.."
This can only be coming from a liberal point of view.I am sure though that you take as gospel any diatribe written about Mr. Harper.It seems that you have swallowed the line,hook and sinker on the Conservatives being bigots, racists and anti-choice.Some of the worst bigots i have met in my life were liberals,with their smug contempt for people,ideas and values in opposition to their own.
As an aside,i find it amusing when liberals paint with a broad stroke of the brush,Conservative politicians as being possibly as corrupt as theirs.The idea being,since everybody does it,what we did was not so bad,and as the natural governing party of Canada,who else would have your best interests in mind? Sure we steal your money,and waste billions in useless schemes,but we are the voice of you!
Hogwash...
Power Corp runs deep in bloodlines of the statusquo elitists of the Liberal party.Cretians and Martins are part of the "family"
Copps and Gaglianos are more related to the other "families"
PMPMs early career at CSL was an early demo of the Bay street/Sussex Drive intersection where the old money and the politics are thickest.Eastern paybacks at the highest level.
The WEST wants OUT!
Stephen Harper's bio from the Conservative website. Compare it to every other Leader in Canadian politics.
Stephen Harper has spent his political career standing up and speaking out for Canadians who work hard, pay their taxes and play by the rules. His plan for Canada tackles the real issues that matter to Canadians. A Harper-led government would:
Help individuals, families and entrepreneurs get ahead by lowering taxes, rewarding hard work and making it easier to save;
Help our seniors preserve their hard won gains through fairer taxes, better service from bureaucrats and by opposing ‘death taxes’;
Improve the quality of life in communities by improving access to health care, offering choice in child care and tackling violent crime;
Fight waste, mismanagement and corruption in Ottawa by enacting and enforcing tough anti-corruption and accountability measures; and
Stand up for Canada by defending our national interests in trade disputes, securing our borders and treating all provinces with respect.
Born and raised in Toronto, Stephen Harper graduated from the University of Calgary with a masters degree in economics. He went on to work as a members assistant and policy advisor before being elected to Parliament in 1993.
In Parliament, Stephen Harper fought government waste, championed lower taxes and played a leading role in the national unity debate. He continued fighting for these issues when he left Parliament to lead one of Canada's most prominent advocacy organizations.
In 2002, Stephen Harper returned to Parliament as Leader of the Opposition and began laying the foundation for the re-unification of Canada's then-divided conservative movement. In 2003, he achieved his objective by co-founding the Conservative Party of Canada. He was elected Conservative leader in March 2004.
A member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Stephen Harper is the Member of Parliament for Calgary Southwest. Stephen and his wife Laureen have two young children, Benjamin and Rachel.
Posted by: ann at December 15, 2005 6:23 PMMissed the "new family" of Liberals
Paris Stronach and DaddyWarbucks Stronach.
Im just a girl who caint say no, Im in a terrible fix.
I always say come on lets go, just when I orta say nix.
Whatcha gonna do when Paul gets flirty,
starts to talk to you purdy.whatcha gonna do.
sposing he says your lips are like cherries.
a cabinet post , roses and berries.
Spose he says your sweeter than cream.
plaster your face on Pravda this eve.??
Grab that hidden agenda and leave.\
ya caint say no!!!!
apologies to rodgers and hammerstein.
Hey, I just noticed something about Harper: the further away from Ottawa he campaigns, the fatter his staff dresses him.
Remember how Clinton used to break into a southern drawl when stumping in the sticks? Well, it's sorta like that; the CPC handlers accentuate Stevie's "stunt gut" (I'm such a HarperHolic I'm convinced it is a prosthetic device) when he's camaigning in flyover Canada, the theory being is that it plays well politically. Just an observation...
Posted by: Anonalogue at December 15, 2005 7:40 PMA much gentler way of handling the topic than I would have done - you probably get/keep thousands (millons?) more readers this way. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: Rick at December 15, 2005 9:02 PMA translated transcript of the federal election debate conducted in French.... Why French only? Why not a live English translation? Who rules Canada? Here is Martin's answer:
"I believe in a united Canada, strong with two official languages, culturally diverse where Quebec plays a leading role."
Martin said : "...where Quebec plays a leading role."
Repeat: Martin: "... where Quebec plays a leading role."
Take that Canada; Take that Alberta. Quebec rules Canada: Martin said it.>>>>
Excerpt:
Paul Martin: Canadians, this evening you will hear about very different visions of Canada. Mr. Duceppe will begin a process that will lead to another referendum, a process that will end the Canada that generations of Quebecers built with other Canadians, a country that is envied throughout the world. Mr. Harper would like us to go back in time. He is against the Quebec model of day care, Kyoto, and he would like to send our soldiers to Iraq. Mr. Layton does not realize that the fiscal capacity of the nation is limited. I believe in a united Canada, strong with two official languages, culturally diverse where Quebec plays a leading role. I believe in a Canada where economic stability means a strong economy. Canada is a world leader, and I believe in a Canada that will succeed. Thank you. >>>
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/CanadaVotes/2005/12/15/1355088-cp.html
keep kicking ass, kate!
Posted by: shawn at December 15, 2005 9:15 PMQuebec plays a leading role in providing the rest of the country with great goalies and greasy corrupt power mongering politicians. That changes somewhat when Martin Brodeur retires.
Posted by: ABBoy at December 15, 2005 9:29 PMSubliminal messaging here. Dress code for the debate, blue shirt and blue/yellow/black striped tie. Interesting. This IS Tory country. Wonder if they'll switch to red back east? Can't think of why they didn't trust these guys to dress appropriately. They all look alike, and maybe that's the idea.
Posted by: Iron Lady at December 15, 2005 9:36 PMStephen Harper is an honest man and when he speaks you believe him. I'm so tired of the shysters in Ottawa that if they win again I will leave. 'course that's what the Librano$ want, anyone with half a brain is not encouraged to stay.
Posted by: kelly at December 15, 2005 9:39 PMforgot to congratulate you on another excellent piece! right up there with Steyn and Crittenden.
Posted by: kelly at December 15, 2005 9:44 PMRon. Stay with us. Harper's are as follows: Degree in ECONOMICS, I don't know, BA, Masters? Born, raised In Toronto, schooled in Alberta, lives there now. NOT a lawyer. Smart, articulate and handsome. Well liked by everyone who meets him (foreign powers too). He has no desire to be a lifelong politician. Told his entire caucus that if there goal is to stay in Ottawa the rest of their natural lives, leave now. He's BRUTALLY honest, even when it's not to his advantage to be. He has a truly comprehensive vision of where Canada should (could) be 10 years from now and how to get there. Hockey dad (he loves hockey). Good hair.
Posted by: Chazz at December 15, 2005 10:07 PMKate, You may have to ease up on the 3 or more syllable words, your blog mates aren't quite up to those "big words".
Ron, You are suffering form a obvious case of Crainium Insertum Anusium, or in common terms you have your head way up your ass. Wake the hell up already!!!
Posted by: Kuroki Kid at December 15, 2005 11:32 PMdid PMPM say "built with Canadians"
or Quebec "built it on the backs of Canadians."
culture of quebec, take, payola, crime ,greed , corruption, in conjunction with the status quo bay street bankers.
FREE THE WEST!!!!
Bloody well done, Kate! EXCELLENT article.
Seldom have I seen such things said and at the CBC no less.
They may not be able to survive the shock you must be sending through there little shriveled system.
Absolutely marvelous!
And I meant to and forgot to say that you ought to be speech writing for Stephen Harper.
He could not possibly utter those words without some verve!
"Paul Martin is a very smart business person. He does what he has to do to ensure that CSL not only stays in business but produces a profit. If he were to change laws to benefit CSL that would be an abuse of power. Every shipping company in the world is structured like CSL.
This country needs a qualified experienced person like Martin. What are Harper's qualifications? Of everyone I've asked nobody knows. Why the big secret?
Posted by Ron at December 15, 2005 03:02 PM "
Paul Martin is not so nearly experienced as he is connected: Power Corp, Maurice Strong and all those shenanigans over at the UN ( Read OFF and Kyoto- set up the same as OFF and also under US investigation) John Bolton isn't there for nothing.
Paul Martin is not so much an experienced business man as he is a puppet.
Stephen Harper is his own man. Experienced in the areas the country needs: Economics. And most of all he has not been tainted by thievery, thuggery, crime and corruption. That alone qualifies him over and above Martin and his decency and well thought out platform over all the others.
The French debate is over and just to prove there is no left-wing Liberal media bias I am posting the first two lines of a Canadian Press story below.
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A Conservative leader often branded as a right-wing ideologue declared he would love his children even if they were gay, and swore not to use a constitutional loophole to overturn same-sex marriage.
Stephen Harper tried during the first of four campaign debates to shed the intolerance label his opponents have slapped him with on the question of same-sex rights.
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No bias there, what about this line
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Stephen Harper tried to shed his reputation for intolerance by insisting Thursday he would love his children even if they were gay, adding for the first time that he wouldn't use the Constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage.
hey,i can't get into the forum to read it , Kate
Posted by: alf at December 16, 2005 2:20 AMYeah, it looks like someone hacked the CBC blog roundtable and inserted a couple of posts in pig latin! Guess some lefty didn't like the free speech thing....
Posted by: CanRev at December 16, 2005 3:58 AMSpeaking of lefties, here is Socialism's dead end. Socialist "Central Planning" is rigor mortis for human societies. National Socialists in Canada include the following: Martin/Layton/Duceppe/Calvert, et al. The lure of Socialism is strong, indeed. The end results of socialism are shown here. Pollution levels up 54%.
Apply these end results to the "health-care system" in Canada: Stasis, rigor mortis, the patient is moribund. yet, the socialists resist attempts to change the gridlock in healthcare in Canada. Die, Tommy Douglas, Die. >>>>
Paris's anti-car policy 'increased congestion'
Posted by Murtyo
On 12/15/2005 11:23:34 PM PST · 17 replies · 221+ views
Guardian (UK) ^ | Friday December 16, 2005 | Michelle Doyle in Paris
Efforts by the Socialist mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delanoe, to cut car use in the city by narrowing roads and building more bus lanes have increased congestion and are a waste of public money, says a report. It found that since 2001 Paris motorists have spent 62.2 million hours sitting in the jams caused by the roadworks, while pollution levels have risen by 54% >>>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541565/posts
It looks a little odd, for sure. Nothing yet from the webmaster.
Hmmmm...A degree in economics, good hair, hockey dad/family man, dislikes Ottawa, honest, not tainted, handsome but not connected, will lower taxes, help small business and so on.
Translation...A family man theorist with no practical experience with a good barber that wants to be employed but dislikes his place of employment that looks good yet does not network and believes lowering taxes will not decrease services and stimulate business.
Sorry lemmings...No sizzle no steak.
Posted by: Ron at December 16, 2005 9:09 AMRon...and in comparison to Mr. Harper's, the qualifications of your ideal Prime Minister are...?? Any candidates meet your qualifications?
Posted by: ann at December 16, 2005 9:34 AMThe link is broken now, and the forum looks like somebody messed it up.
But please, don't EVER 'dumb down' your posts there. I think we just miss the well-honed snarkery. And there's still lots of time for that.
Posted by: jenkew at December 16, 2005 9:50 AMann...The answer is no I don't think any of the candidates are fully qualified. However, I believe Paul Martin is more so than Stephen Harper.
The real problem is our poiltical system...A system based on connections that rewards ambition rather than attracting and nurturing the very best.
Posted by: Ron at December 16, 2005 10:02 AMRead John Duffy's bilious piece in today's NP. No wonder he's in hiding.
Posted by: Iron Lady at December 16, 2005 11:13 AMHey Iron Lady is the bile making you a bit rusty.
Truth is everybody knows that there are some parents that will take the $100 and spend it on personal items such as beer and popcorn. So what that's their choice and no business of yours.
Everybody knows that Harper speaks in code. Trouble is even party insiders don't understand it.
Try giving yourself a paint job it will help to inhibit the oxidation.
Posted by: Ron at December 16, 2005 12:05 PMHey ron can you explain why the communist brainwashing channel has nuked the forum that Kate has been posting to? Do you think they think that to many people might start to think for themselves? Has it scares the shit out of all the liberano brown envelope crowd so much that it has been ordered to remove it? I think I said earlier that iI was amazed that CBC would allow Kates posts, it took them just a little longer than I thought. Do let the proletariat know what's really going on.
Posted by: FREE at December 16, 2005 12:17 PMFree, Has paranoia set in? I'm not sure why Communists would "nuke" the forum Kate has been posting to. Could you please explain yourself a little better.
Posted by: Ron at December 16, 2005 2:12 PMRon:
"Could you please explain yourself a little better."
That's really funny coming from a blathering "call me crazy" liberal that couldn't be bothered to explain himself in anything he says. Free's post reads crystal clear to me but obviously not to someone with a closed mind.
Let me spell it out for you scottie. The liberano's ordered http://forums.cbc.ca/roundtable/2005/12/facts_about_can.html shut down because the comment are not liberano friendly. Free speech, how uncanadian!
Posted by: FREE at December 16, 2005 2:30 PMFREE
I used to post on the now extinct forums board @ the CBC before the last election.
Asswipers like RON were being barbequed and eaten, it was a grand old lieberal bashfest.
Then one day just like today, poof.
The next thing we'll read will be a
"We are experiencing technical difficulty" message and then total silence, just like the previous election.
This country is a lie.
Well I for one will not just kie down and let these scum ruin my country. If the liberano's somehow get away with rigging this election then as far as I am concerned its time for WAR. We as a nation used to kill commies and totalitarians, which the liberano's are both, what the hell happened?
Posted by: FREE at December 16, 2005 3:16 PMHey Kate, I would really like to here from you on the CBC. Did they tell you why? Do they even answer the phone? Did they threaten a law suit if you spoke up? I think everyone else would like to know as well.
Posted by: FREE at December 16, 2005 3:32 PMRon exhibits a type of thinking common to liberals and socialists. He actually believes the $100 is '"gift" of some kind.
It's not. It's money that working parents have earned, have paid tax on, and now are being allowed to keep - to spend as they goddamned wish to!
What arrogance. What a twisted view of the world, to believe that the money you earn shouldn't be left in your possession because you might "spend it on the wrong things".
Posted by: Kate at December 16, 2005 9:56 PMNow I can add arrogant and asswipe to my resume.
I wish some people would slow down a bit and really ponder what I'm saying. I know there have been some ad hominem moments but that's just me finding sport in needling the politically passionate. Don't take it to personal.
I actually vote conservative provincially and am undecided federally....Surprised?
Posted by: Ron at December 17, 2005 5:36 PMI dont think you had to use a$$wipe and resume in the same sentence because it would be redundant in your case.
Montreal and TO old money along with the family compacts of the Maritimes has run this place from the get go. The intersection of Sussex Dr and Bay Street keeps the rest of the place under their collective thumb. Lawyers and Liars and the Status Quo.
But sometimes the laws of economics even overrule the ruling class.The little forays into daycare and SSM are generally there to keep the small minds of the great unwashed off the greater problem . If we werent so resource rich we would have the equivalent economy to India. If we didnt have the Yanks next door to pull us along we would smolder into a bereaucratic nightmare like Russia.
So thirty years of bungling bereaucracy and paying people pogey to do nothing, buying their votes with their own money has paid off with. - boardwalks to nowhere in Nova Scotia. firestations without trucks in Nfld. a huge pool of unskilled, unmotivated 13 week employees and the resource rich parts of the country crying for tradesman, crying for workers.
so the inefficient plants in Windsor and St, Catherines close after years of union and government supported close, who cares except Pravda..while the Buzzes and Jack Layoffs of the ND, scream for increases and subsidies,
Meanwhile the tarsands plants - the gas plants and the other resource industries that pay the freight in this frigged up country starve for workers.Canada ,
Even Stephane Dion-- Celines sister- said that Canada is the only energy producing nation that has signed the Kyoto Accord.Those arent bragging rights - its a potential disaster.
Believe me, there would be nothing better in the world to an Albertan than to be able to send 4%CO2
down the line to the customers in Ontario instead of cleaning it here.
a good ramble.
FREE THE WEST!!!
Free the west indeed.
A good ramble there cal2. Very clever to bring an expatriate french singer/entertainer into the fray.
As an undecided voter you've said nothing to convince me. Just a lot of jealousy and no integrity.
Posted by: Ron at December 18, 2005 10:04 AMRon's email address might reveal some truths also, and he does love the truth.
Click on his name and see that he has chosen to be known as fyreballs911@yahoo.com
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