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December 4, 2005

Canada's paper of record: sheer class!

"Christmas is fast approaching, and with it, the dilemma of what to give the less likable people in our lives: office mates, ex-spouses, born-again Christians."

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AdScam Chretien wishes a tax-free holiday to AdScam CSL Martin.>>>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1533742/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2005 10:46 AM

AdScam Chretien & AdScam Martin wish you a tax-free holiday; preferably in the tax-haven of the Barbados$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Paul Martin's patriot games
The Winnipeg Sun ^ | Sunday, December 4th, 2005 | Editor - Winnipeg Sun

Posted on 12/04/2005 6:38:02 AM PST by fanfan

Prime Minister Paul Martin should put his money where his mouth is. Or, to put it another way, maybe he should plant his assets where his heart is.

Last Tuesday, the opening day of the two-month-long election campaign (heaven help us all) Martin declared: "I love Canada."

Well, that's good. We expect that would be the sentiment of the vast majority of Canadians.

The intention of his proclamation was to throw aspersions on Conservative party Leader Stephen Harper who gave a very long-winded response to the simple question: "Do you love Canada?"

The question itself is curious, of course, and points to an intense central media bias against anyone who is not a Liberal. The implication in the question is that non-Liberals don't love Canada.

It is a contemptuous question and assumption.

We don't doubt that Martin loves this country.

After all, it's arguably the best country in the world, despite the weather.

But there are varying levels of love so let's look at just how much Martin really loves his country.

Martin has lowered the Canadian flag on his Canadian Steamship Lines freighters and hoisted up other flags for crass profiteering.

That might suggest that Martin and his fabulously wealthy family care more for the almighty dollar than they do for their country.

Canadians would have reason to be outraged if outside of Stornoway, the official residence of the leader of the Opposition, the flag of Barbados or Vanuatu flew there instead, so that the resident could avoid paying Canadian taxes.

But that is exactly what Martin did and his sons still do with CSL.

They simply have to hoist up another country's flag and bingo -- it's tax freedom day forever!

How do you like that brand of patriotism?

For the past 12 years, millionaire Martin has refused to lower the taxes of over-burdened Canadians and yet he and his firm and his family get a tax-free ride. It's a real slap in the face to hard-working middle class Canadians.

By lowering the Canadian flag on seven of his CSL tankers, Martin's family firm has saved untold millions of dollars in Canadian taxes.

By raising these so-called flags of convenience, Martin also saved many more millions of dollars by allowing him to flout Canadian labour laws and pay his crew members a fraction of what Canadian crews would have to be paid and also to violate more stringent Canadian environmental laws.

Martin can wax eloquent and cry crocodile tears over his love of Canada. His actions clearly show a man who cares more for his own bottom line than he does for the well-being of his country.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1533742/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2005 10:49 AM

Here is a gift for the gullible Martin lovers on your list. http://www.goldjewelryontheweb.com/noframe/items/101426nf.html

Posted by: blueright at December 4, 2005 10:59 AM

The author of the article is a lecturer at York U. in humanities. I suppose her vast experience as a bartender was a fine sigue into that position.

Posted by: Shaken at December 4, 2005 11:12 AM

Check her out more here. Looks like she is about to serve up a lecture.

Posted by: Shaken at December 4, 2005 11:14 AM

The people who write for the Globe and Mail probably know more transsexual prostitute performance artists and Wiccan polyamorist women's studies professors personally than they do ordinary middle-class evangelical Christians in nuclear families.

Unfamiliarity breeds contempt.

Posted by: Loyalist at December 4, 2005 11:18 AM

That's what the Press Council of Canada is supposed to deal with: This type of anti-inflammatory rhetoric. Expect more from the Globe the better Harper and the Tories do. In fact, I'm willing to bet once the screetching in the MSM begins to make Anne McLellan sound muted and demure, it can only be because the polls they aren't publishing are showing the Tories surging ahead.

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Posted by: Shaken at December 4, 2005 11:26 AM

Really, speaking of lack of class, it's quite astounding. Take an event like Halloween where portraying witches as ugly, evil, and demonic, is really "just a bit of harmless fun" -- but a light hearted swipe at christianity is a horrible thing.... feeling a tad insecure are we?

Posted by: stageleft at December 4, 2005 11:42 AM

feeling a tad insecure are they?

When they're all of their meds,
the right wing paranoia thing really kicks in.

Posted by: steve not in ontario at December 4, 2005 12:01 PM

No stageleft, just fed up with the artsy-fartsy bull$hit garbage we've been paying through the nose for, celebrated by a hypocritical "inclusive" press.

Posted by: Shaken at December 4, 2005 12:03 PM

Choose:

Born-again Librano$ Martin, aka Flowers Power CSL vs Sum Dim Jack Layton.

Harper is at home with his wife and family.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Where the Leaders Are

OTTAWA (CP) - Itineraries for the federal party leaders on Sunday, Dec. 4 (all times local):

Paul Martin - Liberal Party

OTTAWA: Photo opportunity with Mrs. Sheila Martin. Tivoli Florist, 282 Richmond Rd. 12:10 p.m.

-

Stephen Harper - Conservative Party

No scheduled events.

-

Jack Layton - New Democratic Party

VANCOUVER : Dim Sum with Vancouver Area NDP Candidates. Floata Restaurant. 400-180 Keefer Street. 10:00 am >>>
via cnews

Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2005 12:19 PM

Stageleft: "but a light hearted swipe at christianity is a horrible thing.... feeling a tad insecure are we?"

If you want to get a handle on how anti-Christian this "Stageleft" chap is, try doing the following searches on his site:

http://www.stageleft.info/index.php?s=ramadan
http://www.stageleft.info/index.php?s=christian
http://www.stageleft.info/index.php?s=muslim
http://www.stageleft.info/index.php?s=christ
http://www.stageleft.info/index.php?s=mohammed
http://www.stageleft.info/index.php?s=xmas
http://www.stageleft.info/index.php?s=christmas

You'll notice that he capitalizes "Mohammed", but not "christ". Capitalizes "Ramadan" but not "christmas, not even "x"mas. Capitalizes "Muslim" but not "christian". Poor form!

Posted by: Anonalogue at December 4, 2005 12:19 PM

Thanks Christine Sismondo you insensitive bitch. I will pass that book along to some ardent followers of Islam ... in your name!

I find born agains' less than a comfort in my life-style, but I wouldn't try to shame or embarrass them. Especially at Christmas. Only a bottom of the barrel socialist central Canadian hack would be so crass and intolerant.

I suggest either send them a card or do nothing at all.

Have a laugh at Duke's Place
http://dukemcgoo.blogspot.com

Then come back here eh?

Posted by: Duke at December 4, 2005 12:27 PM

OOps correction .. the name above is not meant to be the fivilous author of the silly book in question, but rather the idiot By JESSICA WARNER who wrote the piece in the globe. My apologies.

Duke

Posted by: Duke at December 4, 2005 12:30 PM

I suppose if Christians blew up a few wedding celebrations and lopped off a few heads, we would get some respect or at the very least, appeasement.

Posted by: rebarbarian at December 4, 2005 12:30 PM

Weel, Stageleft, I suppose it all depends on whether you are Good Witch or a Bad Witch. I don't recall seeing anyone mocking Glenda on Halloween. And I didn't see Ms. Warner handing out any candy with her little jest.

Flying out of the Broomcloset schreeching simply doesn't reflect well on one's desire to gain equal footing in the arena of Spirituality. How many people connected Wicca with the Green skin witches of Halloween _before_ certain pagans became so loud about it? Hoist on one's own petard, I'd say.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at December 4, 2005 12:36 PM

My email to the rag


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051203/BKMOND03/TPEntertainment/Books

"Christmas is fast approaching, and with it, the dilemma of what to give the less likable people in our lives: office mates, ex-spouses, born-again Christians."

Where do you people get off printing this kind of hate speech? Would you print stories about "less likeable" Jews? or Muslims? or Sikhs? or any of the other religions?

Pathetic what passes for journalism these days.

I expect a retraction, and an apology from this bigot to myself and the many Christians in this country.

Posted by: greg at December 4, 2005 1:02 PM

First thing Monday morning I'm cancelling my subscription. They're never going to change unless you hit them where it hurts - in the pocket book (realistically, I doubt they'll change even then but, at least I'll feel better).

Posted by: Boudica at December 4, 2005 1:03 PM

Can we classify this as hate speech since it makes a pointed mockery of some Christian denominations stance of alcohol?

Posted by: Anna at December 4, 2005 1:05 PM

Anna--kick back,take a breath and pour yourself a Martini...if you don't know how to make a martini, I could refer to this article in the Globe.

Posted by: stubblejumper at December 4, 2005 1:15 PM

Personally I wish this stuff could get through without the caterwailing, we are all too sensitive...but...to be consistent the Globe and Mail should apologize. Either they have a policy or they don't.

I personally am not offended but then again born again christian is a particular sect of christianity to which I do not belong.

The appropriate comparison would go something like this

"....what to give the less likeable people in our lives: office mates, ex-spouses, born-again Christians (or insert your favourite least likeable subsect of your least favourite religon, wahabist muslims, orthodox jews, brahmin hindus, opus dei catholic christians, stalinist communists etc etc)"

Silly ain't it.

Globe editor deserves a slap across the back of the head for that one, unless of course she is female since we wouldnt want to be accussed of violence against women. So the appropriate punishment should be the same sensitivity course that Margaret Wente wrote about. I am only half kidding.

They were wrong to let this one through. Write, subscription cancel and press council complain away. The stepped in something they should be nailed for it.

Posted by: Stephen at December 4, 2005 1:36 PM

Can you imagine the uproar if they'd said Orthodox Jew instead of born-again Christian? Or how about Musim extremist? Open season on Christians at Bellglobe Media, and it's only going to get worse now that the Toronto Star is gobbling up shares. What a country.

Posted by: Iron Lady at December 4, 2005 1:48 PM

Letter to the editor:

What to get for people you don't like - like born again christians?? Perhaps next time you publish an article like this you could ensure that the content be more inclusive with regards to Canadas rich diversity and use "born again muslims" or "fatwa issuing mullahs", "instead of born again christians." Hint: this is the kind of thing that gets by you when you are busy staring at your navel.

Posted by: ward at December 4, 2005 1:53 PM

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=press+council&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryCA

Here is a list of provincial press councils...they are the national newspaper so I would suggest you complain to your local one and it will go up the chain.

Those of you in Southwestern Ontario, BC interior and lower mainland and Alberta (since the comment concerns parties that predominate in those regions) ensure the article is brought forward to your local pastors/ministers...they should be the most offended. If they arent, thats their problem and they deserve the slams they get because they wont defend themselves.

Posted by: Stephen at December 4, 2005 1:55 PM

The Globe & Mail - home of Canada's most bigoted mental midgets, a pure expression of the true nature of the elitist Ontarian mindset (the province with the lowest average IQ, and that's only a little skewed by the chromasomally defective liberal caucus in Ottawa). Globe reporters - press imposters, one and all, now published from the basement at Liberal HQ.

Vote liberal - let the corruption and incompetence continue! Bequeth to your kids Zimbabwe, with Martin as the dimwit analogue to Robert Mugabe!

Posted by: globesucks@liberalHQ.com at December 4, 2005 2:02 PM

But witches ARE ugly, evil and demonic. What's yer point?

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at December 4, 2005 2:03 PM

Hey Boudica:

Why wait till Monday, You can cancel your subscription right away with an e-mail...that's how I did it.

Posted by: John at December 4, 2005 2:09 PM

Witches are a funlovin' bunch...that Mongomery gal, married to Darren on Bewitched, was really very cute and sexy. She also had the occasional martini.

Posted by: stubblejumper at December 4, 2005 2:11 PM

OT:
The CPAC-SES tracking completed last night shows the Liberals still
in the lead (LP 38, CP 29, NDP15, BQ 14, GP 5). The Liberal up-tick
was concentrated mostly in Ontario. Our daily Leadership Index which scores the leaders each day shows Martin fared better yesterday than both Harper and Layton.
On the best PM front, unsure has mathematically surpassed Stephen Harper (Unsure Best PM 20, Harper
Best PM 19) although still a statistical tie.


Decided Voters
LIB - 38% (+4)
CP - 29% (+1)
NDP - 15% (-5)
BQ - 14% (NC)
GP - 5% (+1)
*17% of Canadians were undecided (+3)

In Quebec:
BQ - 52% (-2)
LIB - 30% (+6)
CP - 9% (NC)
NDP - 6% (-2)
GP - 3% (-1)

Best PM
Martin - 30% (+1)
Unsure - 20% (+7)
Harper - 19% (-3)
None - 13% (+2)
Layton - 10% (-6)
Duceppe - 6% (-1)
Harris - 2% (-2)

Leadership Index (Daily composite of the Leaders' Trust, Competence
and Vision)*
Martin - 82 (+6)
Harper - 49 (-11)
Duceppe - 30 (-13)
Layton - 25 (-5)
Harris - 8 (0)

Posted by: steve at December 4, 2005 3:01 PM

Re the SES poll

Two words: Weekend Polling.

Tracking polls consistently show liberals rise on weekends.

It may fall further tomorrow (full Sat. and Sun sample with the trailing three days) but will rise again for Tuesday's and Wed's releases.

Posted by: mitch at December 4, 2005 3:31 PM

Hey wingnuts. Could you possibly suggest to your more 'enthusiastic' Con-supporters that not every person in Ontario is a communist Liberal! Everytime you spew crap like that you make it that much more difficult for us Con's in Ontario to convert others here.

Shift down a couple gears and we will win this one.

Posted by: Only human at December 4, 2005 3:38 PM

The most interesting thing about Jessica Warner's article is that it ends calling for readers to "epater les bourgeois," as though most Globe readers belong to some other class. Warner -- an urban state employee and an officially certified intellecual writing in Yorkville's national newspaper -- evinces a fascinating, and rather disingenuous, need to imagine herself an opponent of the prosperous and the powerful. All before going back to her government job.

Mark F. Proudman
mfp@canadianreview.ca

Posted by: Mark F. Proudman at December 4, 2005 3:44 PM

Your setting yourself up here 'Only human'. Sit back and strain to withstand the hot winds of the wingnut barrage.

Posted by: stubblejumper at December 4, 2005 3:45 PM

Articles of this nature are self-serving crap at its finest. I mean really, does anyone really read G&M outside of TO? Who cares what some hack has to say about any religion.

My apologies for the 'wing-nut' comment.

Posted by: Only Human at December 4, 2005 4:04 PM

Nothing wrong to make fun of (or insult a bit) born again Christians. But as someone said above, likewise we should/must accept the same kind of disrespectful writings about all groups in society.
If we get upset about every insult or negative opinion about 'us' (whatever 'us' happens to be) someone might have, then what does that tell us about our sociaty?
Unfortunately, freedom of speech is not a valued concept in Canada, neither on the left, nor the right, it seems.

Posted by: Johan i Kanada at December 4, 2005 4:08 PM

For some silly reason i decided to buy a Globe and Mail today. See what the enemy was saying, i guess.
Blood pressure raised as i saw the repeated mistruths. "Harper raised the same sex marriage debate"
Not one more Globe and Mail will i buy or read this election.
To top it off is this article mentioning born-again christians.
Work for the Conervative victory. Perhaps a goal can be stopping this aquisition of a stake in G and M by the toronto star. Maybe this will make them think twice this election and keep it a little cleaner.
There was also the interesting article via nealenews.com regarding a Martin heckler getting thrown in jail for 4 days. Now there is you democratic deficit.
enough

Posted by: enough at December 4, 2005 4:36 PM

People are dummer on weekdays?

Posted by: steve not in ontario at December 4, 2005 4:38 PM

Crap ... I want someone to give me that book for Christmas.

Posted by: sheila at December 4, 2005 5:10 PM

Personally, I'm atheist, but this really bothers me. Like many have said in these comments, why is it ok to make fun of christianity but not any other religion?

Posted by: Mike D at December 4, 2005 5:12 PM

Headline in yesterday's National Post:

CAW President Endorses a Liberal Minority
Hargrove tells members to vote strategically

Headline in yesterday's Globe & Mail:

Liberals Touted by CAW Leader
Hargrove's endorsement bitter pill for NDP to swallow.

Notice that in the headline alone the G&M distorts the story and actually puts a pro-Liberal spin on it before even reporing the news.

Well, there you go again.

Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2005 5:17 PM

Only Human,

Welcome to the club fellow Ontarion. The ribbing you'll get is mostly good natured and you are allowed to give as good as you get.

At the end of the day most of the people on this forum, but by no means all, share a few common goals. But being modern conservatives it makes us a fractious bunch.

I welcome the help in letting others know Ontario cant be painted with one brush, just like every other province, region or city.

Now back to tarring all Liberals as thieving eastern dominated criminals.....

Posted by: Stephen at December 4, 2005 5:21 PM

Where is your sense of "outrage" only human? Peole who believe in God should not be targets at any time - people who tolerate crooks with sublime stupid "dear caught in the headlights" confusion; should be. Get your ducks in a row.

Posted by: Jema54 at December 4, 2005 5:24 PM

Part of our problem is we have let this type of
bias go by, doing nothing to let them know it is
unacceptable for years.

If we cancel our subs and write letters to the
paper in enough volume for the paper to notice
each time they decide to slander Cristians or
any other religion they should hear about it and
it eventually gets noticed. There are millions of
people who read the blogs but do not comment.

Any of their other bias and lies should be
noted. There are American blog sites that do
just that, read the paper and give the paper,
usually the NYT, and we know about them, and
do it on a daily basis.

We are all tired of our medium lies and distortions and their ignoring any good news about Iraq or S.Harper.

We are the ones who get hurt while they continue
the usual behaviour, happy in the knowledge nothing will be done by the conservatives or the
public. We have had a lilberal government for
years for this very reason, people tend to
believe what is written there. I know I did for
too long in my life and now I see the bias so
clearly it is hard to even read the lies they
write. I just do not bother 95% of the time.
The internet is the answer and we should use it
for the facts and the truth.

Posted by: cjg at December 4, 2005 5:27 PM

Okay, I'll bite. I'm a born-again Christian. We are not all abstainers from alcohol, we're not all obnoxious Bible thumpers. However, that is how we are perceived by liberals feminists and gays etc. So we have our work cut out for us. Let's quit bashing those we disagree with.
Jesus said, "Love your neighbour." He also said, "Love your enemy."

Posted by: Jack at December 4, 2005 5:29 PM

nonomous said...

I don't think there is anything 'Christian' about the west's views on torture. The Salem witch trials of 1692 used torture to elicit confessions. Until around 1700, drawing-and-quartering folks was a familiar public event in England. The pageant included castration, evisceration and finally extraction of a beating heart (if possible).

During the 1600s, broadsheets started running cartoons of torture victims, making its use a political liability. The indignation one can generate with cartoon of some poor soul's unjust suffering is still an amazing political tool. Broadsheets educated 18th century army and a that army was critical for political survival.

The left's use of the 'torture' issue is entirely self serving. When torture serves their purposes, it is simply called something else, 'abortion' for example. What else would one call sucking out a baby's brain, or ripping its arms off with a vacuum hose? >>> more
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136206&postID=113360618325187802

Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2005 5:36 PM

Anyone who paints any collective the size of Ontario with a single colour is just being juvenile. After all, I think Quebec is a problem because I think Napoleonic Law is incompatible with Common Law in modern Canada.

But for me to suggest that all citizens of Quebec support Napoleonic Law would be absurd, because I only need one counter example to defeat my suggestion: Western Standard columnist Pierre Lemieux at http://www.pierrelemieux.org/

Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2005 5:40 PM

What about the fact that it's a book review? Isn't that sort of up there with blog, or editorial, in terms of the standards that people expect of it?

Posted by: Ted L. Nancy at December 4, 2005 5:40 PM

Martin buys a *********** wreath. Wishes you a happy **************. Says he will be home for ************. Hopes you get all you wish for at ***************. Merry ************, Paul, Jr. (Keep your profile down at **********).

The word *************** is not mentioned: it's a Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "wreath".

Martin maintains low profile
OTTAWA (CP) - After taking most of the weekend off while his key rivals toured British Columbia, Prime Minister Paul Martin shopped for a wreath with his wife Sheila on Sunday in his only public event before heading for Newfoundland and Labrador to kick off Week 2 of the campaign for the Jan. 23 election. >>> via cnews

Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2005 5:48 PM

Some people come here to get angry, some to have fun, some just to think. Who is wearing which hat changes from day to day, it's not a very linear thing. The reason this particular topic has struck a note, I think, is because it is representive of the consistently one-sided perspective taken by the G&M while claiming not to. Fraud, it's called.

It's one thing to take a comment goodnaturedly when it's seen as part of thoughtful rhetoric and wit. It's something else entirely when it comes from an organization fraudlently supporting the decline and fall of Canada.

Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2005 5:55 PM

rebarbarian. "I suppose if Christians blew up a few wedding celebrations and lopped off a few heads, we would get some respect or at the very least, appeasement."

Actually, that's not a bad idea. I have a few names. No need for a hat, just start with the shortest ones, sorta like choosin' straws.

"The Globe & Mail - home of Canada's most bigoted mental midgets, a pure expression of the true nature of the elitist Ontarian mindset (the province with the lowest average IQ, and that's only a little skewed by the chromasomally defective liberal caucus in Ottawa)." Now that's funny.

All these creeps hating Christians so much almost makes me want to start going back to church again. I remember a United Church in Souris, Manitoba that had a great rifle range in the basement. As I remember I used to save up my allowance for a box of 22 shorts so that I could spent half an hour in Sunday School and a couple hours at the rifle range. I bet there are no churches like that in Canada anymore.

Posted by: John Crittenden at December 4, 2005 6:46 PM

Did you see Martin with that wreath? When asked if it was a Holiday or a Christmas wreath, he stood there for a while and said "it's a $240 wreath"

The son of a bitch is Catholic and can't say its a Christmas wreath.

And people say this guy is the best choice for PM? A guy who can't even stand for his own convictions?

I've got no use for lefties that think having a Christian belief is an affront to those who aren't Christians. They're just assholes...

But I've got even less use with a guy who will not stand up for what he believes in because getting elected again is more important than personal convictions.

That's not leadership, that's just plain dishonest. Mind you, this is the Liberal leader we are talking about...

Posted by: Mafia Boy Part Deux at December 4, 2005 7:09 PM

As a straddler on the fence between agnosticism and basic belief in some form of Supreme Being, I must admit that Jessica Warner's piece in the Grope and Flail shows her up to be a complete and utter ass.

Now wonder so many Christians I know can't stand the flippant pissants that pass as an anemic excuse for a chattering class in this country.

Posted by: Garth Wood at December 4, 2005 7:25 PM

Does anyone actually believe that Christmas is about religion anymore? I think your biblical event was hijacked along time ago by corporate interests. I wonder if God foresaw that his son's birth would be such a lucrative venture. I hope he is getting his royalties, assuming he holds the patents. Maybe we should have a Christmas IPO or something.

Show me the money!

Posted by: Rocks Off at December 4, 2005 7:28 PM

Does anyone actually believe that Ramadan is about religion any more, or should the G&M make fraudlent comments about Muslims too?

Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2005 7:35 PM

What about "less likable people in our lives" such as born-again Liberals, i.e. Scott "Kiss My Ass" (should you be so inclined) Brison and Bouncing Belinda?

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins at December 4, 2005 7:44 PM

It's not a Christmas Tree.
We now call it a Tree of Illumination.

Please change your programs.

Posted by: steve not in ontario at December 4, 2005 8:03 PM

I don't know what pisses me off more today, the Globe and Mail's never ending collection of left-wing 'bigots' or a Prime Minister that doesn't have the 'brains' to seize an oportunity to state emphatically that a Christmas wreath is a CHRISTMAS wreath.

BTW, will our dear exempt media ask the PM why he paid so much for the wreath? Did the $240 price tag include a kickback to the Liberal Party of Canada?

Posted by: anselm at December 4, 2005 8:22 PM

I have found a way for Mr. Martin to save $6.48 on that wreath.

Posted by: Shaken at December 4, 2005 8:30 PM

Martin paid $240 for a wreath? Yup, he's in touch with the average Canadian...

Posted by: Candace at December 4, 2005 8:57 PM

What else should we expect from a leftie rag like the Gloom and Maul.

Posted by: Robert at December 4, 2005 10:10 PM

Shaken, NIIICE!
Let's copy that tactic like it was Che's...

Posted by: Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man at December 4, 2005 10:17 PM


NDP endorses theft and perversion. Jack Layton endorses the endorsement. >>>>>


Svend Robinson acclaimed as NDP candidate

http://www.rapp.org/url/?N95MBOUT
ctv.ca

Posted by: maz2 at December 5, 2005 7:42 AM

"...It's not a Christmas Tree..."

...It worried Mitra Sen when pupils at her school were not allowed to take part in multicultural celebrations because their parents didn't want them to be exposed to different cultural and religious beliefs. Afraid these kids would be deprived of an enriching opportunity to learn about Canada's diversity, the Scarborough elementary schoolteacher came up with an unthreatening way to broaden minds and encourage an appreciation for differences: the peace tree....

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1133736612353&call_pageid=1109682110623

Posted by: JM at December 5, 2005 9:09 AM

I think Liberal supporters and voters should have a good enema before they go to the polls.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at December 5, 2005 11:45 AM

It's funny... The most likeable person in my office when I worked at a dot com was a devout Baptist. He really was an odd fit for that bunch, but he is probably the most fundamentally decent people I have ever known. There are very few people whose words and action are 100% in sync and Ted was one of them. I never agreed with him on religious issues, but it was hard not to respect someone with that much integrity.

Posted by: Sean at December 5, 2005 12:14 PM

I sent the following letter this morning:

Edward Greenspon, Editor-in-chief
The Globe and Mail

Dear Mr. Greenspon,

The Sunday, December 3 edition of the Globe and Mail contains a defamatory reference which I find offensive and unacceptable.

In the Entertainment Section, on Page D7, in an article entitled 'We'll take manhattans', Jessica Warner begins her review of the book 'Mondo Cocktail: A Shaken and Stirred History' by Christine Sismondo with the following statement:

"Christmas is fast approaching, and with it, the dilemma of what to give the less likable people in our lives: office mates, ex-spouses, born-again Christians."

The reference to Christians is not only insulting to Canadians of faith, it violates the standards of the Ontario Press Council and the spirit of the Ontario Human Rights Act.

On their website (under the heading 'Where The Press Council Stands'), the Ontario Press Council states:

"Newspapers should not identify people by colour, race or religious faith unless the information is indispensable or is pertinent to a story or headline."

While the Ontario Press Council has not adopted a formal code of conduct, the defamatory reference noted above clearly violates several other codes referenced on the OPC website, such as the British Columbia Press Council Code of Practice:

"Unless the information is directly relevant to the news story or opinion column, newspapers should avoid publishing material which encourages discrimination on the grounds of race, colour, ancestry, gender, religion, marital status, physical or mental disability, age or sexual orientation."

Finally, the defamatory reference noted above clearly violates the spirit of the Ontario Human Rights Code:

"Under the Ontario Human Rights Code, discrimination because of religion (creed) is against the law. Everyone should have access to the same opportunities and benefits, and be treated with equal dignity and respect, regardless of their religion."

Could you please investigate my complaint and let me know what the Globe and Mail is prepared to do to redress this situation?

Sincerely,

I will post the Globe's reply if/when it is received. For anyone else wishing to take action, the relevant references are as follows:

egreenspon@globeandmail.com
www.ontpress.com (Ontario Press Council)
www.ohrc.on.ca/english/guides/religious-rights.shtml (Ontario Human Rights Commission)

Posted by: Muttering In Manitoba at December 5, 2005 12:15 PM

The Creed of AdScam Martin & The Disciples as practiced/lived fully by the Librano$$$$$$$$$: The Law and the Profits. First Lesson today is The Law. Profits was in 1993.
Oyez, oyez, All rise. Here come da judge.... Judge Bev, that is.. Chapter One: Throw out/trash Trudeau's constipation, er constitution. Do whatta you want to do, if it feels goooood....>>

Chief Justice: Put rights before Constitution

OTTAWA - Judges should feel "emboldened" to trump the written word of the Constitution when protecting fundamental, unwritten principles and rights, Canada's Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin says. (National Post)
via primetimecrime.com

Posted by: maz2 at December 5, 2005 12:46 PM

Well every year I shrink the circle of friends I buy for as my friends are christian I simply say that it's too hard to find stores selling christmas goods.

So instead we have more time to visit,


Thats what walmart wants is it not?

Posted by: DrWright at December 5, 2005 2:37 PM

As a disbarred lawyer reduced to selling life insurance and used cars it feels good to actually look down on someone else. Welcome to the barrel born agains.

Posted by: Jake at December 5, 2005 7:37 PM

$240.00 wreath....

"Did you see Martin with that wreath? When asked if it was a Holiday or a Christmas wreath, he stood there for a while and said "it's a $240 wreath"

The son of a bitch is Catholic and can't say its a Christmas wreath.

And people say this guy is the best choice for PM? A guy who can't even stand for his own convictions?"

Well the guy actually DOES stand for his convictions..he just WORSHIPS MONEY and POWER, that's all....his convictions just aren't YOURs.nor mine.

Posted by: eastern paul at December 6, 2005 12:28 AM

Shaken ; I couldn't stop laughing when I read your short, full of picturesque imagery, comment. Visions of Screetcher and paulie and BS , stinking to high heaven in a LONG poll line...no toilet in sight...- THANK-YOU so much for making my day better!!

Posted by: Jema54 at December 6, 2005 3:39 AM

Here is the Globe and Mail's reply to my letter sent yesterday:

Ed Greenspon, our editor, asked me to respond to your email letter of this morning.

You are quite right, the reference to "born-again Christians" that appeared in the Jessica Warner book review on Saturday was unacceptable. We acknowledge that the comment, though an attempt at humour, would be offensive to many. We are very sorry for having let this slip through our editing process.

The editors who are responsible for the Books section, and who report directly to me, have been made aware of their error and regret their lapse in judgment.

In tomorrow's Letters to the Editor section, we are publishing another letter of complaint we have received, which, we believe, sums up the nature of the offence rather well. In doing so, we are drawing wide attention to the error we made in publishing the offensive line.

While the genie can never easily be put back in the bottle, we hope that this exposure, as well as our record of sensitivity in this area, will reassure readers such as you of The Globe and Mail's commitment to conduct itself in an unbiased, nondiscriminatory manner.

Sincerely,

patrick martin
comment editor
the globe and mail

Posted by: Muttering In Manitoba at December 6, 2005 10:01 AM

"our record of sensitivity in this area"

That's hilarious! Remember that comic from earlier this year that had the Globe and Mail writers outside their offices burning bibles?

Posted by: Toronto Tory at December 6, 2005 6:45 PM

Muttering...

good for you. As I said, if people dont raise the issue then the abuse you receive is understandable.

As for the others complaining about the apology, it is pretty clear to me. Accept it and move on. The editors who made the mistake may be snickering in the background going "EXCUUUSE MEEE" but until you catch them doing that you should accept the apology at face value.

If it made them more sensitive to the fact that we arent living in a world where anyone is "the majority" anymore, then that is good.

Muttering please take a bow....

Posted by: Stephen at December 6, 2005 9:21 PM
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