Cool summary or not, it's a sore stomache and not much else.

Doesn't matter what is said or reported or alledged etc. THE GUYS ARE UNTOUCHABLE and nothing bad will happen to them. They will simply move on to the next.

Even it they are slapped on the wrist, their pals will more than make it up to them once the dust settles.

Just like the commerical of the battery bunny .. the corruption just keeps going and going .....

"amnesiac Liberal-defending friends"

Um, who are these mythical people? This just goes to show how far gone into the realm of fantasy the right has travelled. The left has pretty much left it up to the Liberals to defend themselves, only jumping in on the occasions when the right has launched into ridiculous conspirazoid territory. In many cases the left has even joined in on the accusations. Yet you right whingers still cannot make your case without it involving telling lies about the left.

Central Canada already knows the federal Liberals have conducted themselves scandalously and that the Liberal PMO was possibly pulling the strings. They aren't any dumber than anyone else. It didn't help that Mulroney did the same thing i.e. with the CF-18 maintenance contract back in his day - they, like us, have always known that politics is a game of con men and brown envelopes. I can't wait until they vote liberal again so that all of these people who think illustrating scandal in a paint by numbers fashion to narcissists who have supported regional double standards for over a century of federal governance are going to get another dose of reality - the west will never "get in". Wake up and smell the greed. This re-election will make the west even stronger and better off in the long run because they'll learn once and for all hopefully that appeasing the center once again and praying for common sense and clinging devotionally to some kind of delusional inevitable justice isn't going to improve the democratic deficit one iota. It'll finally make a majority of the bleeding hearts in the west trying to use the rigged table in central Canada focus on the fact that things will not change unless significant constitutional changes take place... even separation. It comes to how badly you want to be respected.
short term suggestion to the conservative party to see how serious you are about less tax: pledge to take the GST off gas... it's much cheaper than the 4.5 billion dollar bribe the Libs made to the NDP and it will do more for your aspirations than any of your ass-kissing to central Canada has done so far. It will also put your campaign of reducing the size of government into a nice and easy slogan that everyone in Canada can't help but support (Liberal cabinet ministers, enviro-guilt industrialists, and crown corp. flunkies excluded)and remember and salivate over every time they gas up.

Robert, you are such a drama queen.  There are several "amnesiac Liberal-defenders" in my family, and yet I don't think applying that label to them makes them leftists in any meaningful sense of the term as applied in Canada in the early twenty-first century.  I have watched in silence for months while you have dragged your chip-spawning shoulder all over the blogosphere, sometimes having a good point, mostly just getting your back up even when the slight you've detected is a product of your own febrile imagination.

Honest to Christ, pal, take a couple of weeks off, willya?  According to posts you've made elsewhere, you're forty years old (or thereabouts), but you write like a twenty-year-old frat boy who's trying to impress the existentialist chick in PoliSci class enough to get laid.  And that's not including the posts you write on your own blog (or should I say "blahg"?).

Grow up!

mersault,

are you a resident of Alberta? or one of the other Western Provinces.

Last poll I saw the Liberals were in the lead in every province except Alberta.

If you are an Albertan you have a right to complain loudly, the Liberals use Alberta as a foil, the way the GOP uses Northeastern Libereal Intellectuals in the US.

If you are in any other province I think you have less reason to spout off.

And if you are Albertan explain to me if you seperated why you would include "have not" provinces that you would have to support.

BTW it is a great summary and it is why if you you should vote for the candidate most likely to defeat the Liberals in the next election.

Heck I would vote NDP or Bloc if I thought it would get rid of these guys. The house needs cleaning and the Liberal party needs to be burned to the ground so it can either whither and die or be reborn as something relevant, i.e. other than a patronage machine.

Thanks for a head's up on the summary. I'm collecting the data as it comes out on all these scandals. Next election, we need to make sure Canadian don't rely on their famous short memory.

Right now, Canada's leaders are in the same boat as the people we abhor in other corrupt governments.

Please put an 's' on Canadian, so that my last post makes sense. Oh hell, I'll rewrite the sentence before the grammar police step in.

Next election, we need to make sure Canadians don't reply on their famous short memories.

Had a typo there too, nevermind.

Thw hell with "reportos....I'm a Canadian and I want my country back....we can start with indictments of the Liberal turd men who stole Taxpayers revenues to fund their damn election.

No "report" on their capital crimes is good enough!!! We want indictments and REAL punishments dealt out to these traitorous scum!!

bourque.com >>

The rise and fall of David Dingwall
Part 1: Charting the politician’s climb to power
By STEPHEN MAHER Ottawa Bureau

Editor’s note: This is the first of a two-part series about the career of David Dingwall. Part 2 will will appear on Monday.

OTTAWA — This can’t be the way David Dingwall wanted to finish his career.

It’s the afternoon of Thursday, Sept. 29.

Papers across Canada are full of stories about the travel and hospitality expenses of Mr. Dingwall, master of the Royal Canadian Mint: tens of thousands of dollars spent on gourmet meals, luxurious travel, and the kind of personal expenses that most people pay themselves: golf fees, car, home Internet link-up, newspapers, water, a $1.29 pack of gum.

Mr. Dingwall — the object of scorn in two languages, coast to coast, in print, on the radio, TV and online — issues a statement at noon, announcing he is stepping down as mint boss.

He gives one parting interview — to CTV’s Rosemary Thompson — in a coin shop at the mint’s Ottawa headquarters.

He starts out smiling, pleasant, mild, animated. He is wearing rimless glasses, a black suit and a subtle gold tie.

“Is this your decision or were you forced out?” asks Ms. Thompson.

“No. It’s my decision. I spoke with the prime minister earlier this morning. He was very gracious, very supportive. But like he, and I, we know what’s at stake here. It’s a very different environment than what we’re used to,” he says, with a rueful giggle.

“But I made these decisions for personal reasons and, more particularly, because of the distractions it was having on the Royal Canadian Mint.

“I’m so fond of this institution, and the people, both in Winnipeg as well as in Ottawa,” he says, smiling wistfully.

“We can’t afford distractions. We have to be very focused.” >>>> more
http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Front/459248.html

Stephen, I appreciate your concern. Yes I am a resident of Alberta but I think it's something for every province to be concerned about. Just because Alberta is the obvious foil now doesn't make the less obvious manipulations and double standards in the other provinces less troubling. I.E. even though Quebec benefits greatly "financially" from the present imbalance and indirectly making Alberta a foil a significant bloc of them still want out even after all of the appeasement...which should tell everyone else in English Canada [i.e. Ontario in particular] everything we need to know about where continued preferential appeasement to any other province would go in the future. I think they've seen the dysfunctional machinery for quite a while that everyone else is just kind of waking up to and how vapid and self-serving it truly is... Alberta is today because of the NEP and continual Liberal support in Ontario despite Alberta asking for some recognition of their concerns... Hmmm... Quebec gets almost everything it wants on top of transfer payments and they still want out. It has to make you respect our French brothers for what seems to be a deep and personal form of philosophical and patriotic integrity. If they didn't speak french it makes you wonder if the rest of us would have thought more about it sooner. Giving Ontario goodies at the expense of other provinces won't make Ontario competitive and stronger in the long run either... I think Ontario is still stuck in the infantile mode of wanting more while knowing things are falling apart but still wanting to pretend that nothing needs to be fixed, because they are still the favorite child and in love with their preferential treatment - as is natural... so my concern as an Albertan is still a concern for them as well to ask them to consider constitutional change to redress democratic deficit no matter who wins the next election. The country needs to be reformed into a democracy and one with less tax, and the regional political imbalance should end if keeping the country together is truly everyone's primary goal - end of story. I would prefer straight out constitutional reform to balance the democratic deficit as a westerner but I'm being realistic in saying that talking about separatism anywhere in English Canada flat out might be the only way to do this. For every province's benefit in the long run as well as for the solidarity of Canada, not just Alberta's.

It isn't 'distractions'that David Dingwall is so concerned about, but ATTENTION towards the activities of his favourite institution. (When paper currency becomes torn and worn out, it is returned to the mint for 'disposal', and fresh money is issued. Question: How much paper money has been returned to the mint for 'reprocessing' in the past ten years?)

Robert Mclelland, and other Liberals. You are rightly ashamed of the alarming extent of patronage and fiscal crimes your Federal Liberal party has pulled off.

However, you naturally don't want to abandon
your Life long Liberal principles and ideas. Many of those ideas are based upon generosity , so I don't blame you.

You would prefer not to vote for a badly corrupted Liberal party, so what do you do?

Very simple. Provide yourself with an honest renewed Liberal Party by voting CPC and giving the Liberals some time out to clean house and regain credibility again. New Leader and all the good stuff.

That's really the way politics in Canada have worked over many years, don't you think?

The Conservatives under Mulrony were suspected of going astray, so the Liberals were voted in. Long terms of office seem to lead to corruption though.

To correct things, Canadians elected the Liberals. Don't you think it's time to switch back, even if it's only for one term?

Give your Liberal Party a chance to purify itself. Federal Liberals have, after all, lost the public's respect and trust.

Please, do not extend your Party's suffering by voting Liberal again. At least not this time. '3s TG

To Tony Guitar your living in a dream world. "Kick them out so they can regroup!" The last time we had Trudeau's reigh of terror so they regrouped with Killer Cretchen and the weasel MR. Dithers. Now the Consertavies who bought the souls of the Reform party are getting advice from Mulroney. Don't you realise its not left, right or centre, its all political BS to keep the scam going. Canada needs to seperate from Ottawa/Hull.
The gomery report. Another scam. Not one of the crooks will be held responsible. Gomery was appointated by the present government, PM in particular. Who do you think is paying him? Who do you think he's loyal to? Why do you think testimony was released now? Don't you think the brain dead electorate will have forgotten all about it?

Tony,

When you say liberal "generosity" .. remember ... it's they are being generous with other people's money ... yours and mine. Scew them and also remember, "God bless the child that got his own".

There is ample opportunity in what's left of this country for nearly everyone, even the down trodden and less fortunate, to earn their own god damned living as stay the hell out of my pocket. Our taxes our nothing but grand theft.

This is a small wealthy county with a very very big government ... why?

"Robert Mclelland, and other Liberals. You are rightly ashamed of the alarming extent of patronage and fiscal crimes your Federal Liberal party has pulled off."

I used to be a conservative supporter. In fact, I voted conservative in the last election. But the way the party has moved to the far right and the way the conservatives have been acting made me walk away from that support. Now, the Liberal party would have been the next best fit for me considering how they've moved to the right in recent years but the scandals surrounding them and the fact that Martin is a such a piss poor leader has landed me in the NDP camp. Sorry to burst your little imaginary world bubble, rube.

"This is a small wealthy county with a very very big government ... why?"

I suggest that a detailed demographic breakdown of exactly who is voting Liberal and why would answer that question. American elections are often statistically broken down by age, race, sex, etc.; where is the demographic breakdown of Canadian voters?

Garth Wood says, "Grow up!"

Frankly that you think my immaturity is more disconcerting than Kate's lies tells me all I need to know about your morality and values; you have neither.

Pravda (CBC) has the latest Demands by the Bolsheviks, (NDP,c/o Comrade Red Jacky Layton.)

NDP sets conditions for backing Liberals
Last Updated Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:56:37 EDT
CBC News

NDP leader Jack Layton says the Liberals must meet some of his party's policy priorities if the government wants NDP support in Parliament.

* INDEPTH: Minority government

Jack Layton (CP file photo)

The minority Liberal government needs backing from other parties if it is to survive confidence votes, and the NDP is the most likely source.

Layton said Sunday that the NDP wants the Liberals to:

* Demonstrate support for public health care and stop what the NDP calls increased privatization.
* Take action on climate change.
* Get the U.S. to address the softwood lumber issue.
* Protect workers' pensions.
* Address ethical issues.>>>> blahblahg
http://www.rapp.org/url/?3B84OQIW

Well, now I know, Robert:

You can't parse the written word.

And here I thought you had a maturity problem.  Instead, it's a faulty intellect.

Ah well, the end result's the same in your case.  Enjoy your irrelevance.

I don't want to sound like a broken record here, and I'm not just trying to be entertained by Godfather movies. But once Gagliano's affiliation with the Bonanno crime family was publicized it was an event that the flow of time and news stories can't erase.

For a capo in the Bonanno to be knowingly appointed to the government post responsible for financial transactions between the public and private sector is simply a statement that powerful people in Canada are completely brazen about their objectives.

The flow of events can move on, the "cartel" that ET writes about can manage the information flow with their Librano partners, but it changes nothing.

Gagliano "never eats alone." He is a man who is responsible to the same bosses as is Don Vito Rizzuto. There are hierarchies above and below them.

Once a government gets into partnership with the Bonannos, they can never get rid of them. The Bonannos don't simply walk away because one high-profile member managed to get some publicity. Their presence in the Canadian government is a signal and a sign that points to the kind of corruption festering there.

What we are not able to see from the things listed by the Gomery inquiry is how many people that should have testified were silenced before anything ever came up. How many people were never called before Gomery because there simply wasn't a sufficiently provable basis?

You have to assume that the items revealed conceal a deeper level of strategy and practice that never see the light of day.

To Robert: Jean? Is that you?

It's a bit funny. Liberals don't deny that the Liberal party needs time out to refresh with new leadership and a fresh slate in the ethics department.

So the logical way to achieve that is to vote CPC. Charging out of your corner, arms flailing and declaring you are going to vote NDP, just means you are reacting, not thinking. That's the worst thing you could do.

The NDP and Liberals are now both compromised and marginal. They need each other. They may as well be a coalition.

Your voting NDP will only serve to return a pathetic hamstrung mix to Ottawa, thus extending the Liberal Party agony until a non-confidence vote releives them of their pain.

No. it's clearly in your own best interest to vote CPC, otherwise when the Liberals do go down in a non-confidence smack, the public may write them off permanently, especially if another party with a name like *Social Credit* rises to fill their shoes.

All emotions aside, can you honestly deny the obvious logic in this? TG

The gomery inquiry has made it obvious we are living in a country controlled by a scandalously corrupt government. Apparently many of you are feeling considerable outrage concerning this matter. Some of you seem to resent the fact that certain politicians appear to have affiliations within the mob. Naturally you are right to feel this way, it's a very ugly matter. However consider this.
:Every nation is ruled by a government.
:Every country needs money.
:Money doesn't grow on trees.
:A country makes money by dealing with other nations.
:All of the world's riches are finite in value.
:Some nations are better at making money than others.
:The world's riches are not distributed equally.
:Money = Power
:Power corrupts.
:The more money a country has, the more powerful it becomes, and the more corrupt it's government. This is also true vice versa.
:The greater a nation's wealth, the greater it's ability to provide for it's population.
:A corruption free "nice" government would not be able to defend itself from "corrupt" maneuvers employed by corrupt governments of other nations.
:Corrupt activity = Fradulent and morally depraved activity.
:Mafia = Organized secret society of criminals.
:Criminal = A person who commits a crime.
:Crime = Illegal, evil, shameful acts.
:Fraudulent and/or morally depraved actions are crimes.
:Mafia = Corrupt government.
:Mafioso = Members of government.
:Few people would go to work if not for the want of a personal gain.
:Our government leaders are people.
:Morally depraved, "corrupt" people are more likely to commit crimes such as theft, deception, and exploitation to satisfy their want for personal gain.
:Corrupt governments lead by corrupt people = Powerful, wealthy nation.
:A nation's government has the responsibility to protect it's population.
:The wealthier countries can spend more on national defense.
:Because the world's resources are finite all nations are in competition with one another for a greater portion.
:Self preservation is an inherent trait posessed by every living creature.
:If something is more powerful than you, it becomes a potential threat.
:The pursuit of power, and the competition among nations for wealth means that weaker nations are less able to defend themselves from exploitation by other countries who want whatever resources they have. (Think about how after the U.S. invaded Iraq and then took control of Iraq's oil.)
We are fortunate to live in Canada. Despite having a government lead by creepy, morally defunct, theiving swine. We don't have bombs detonating in our front yards. We are not forced to work in rice fields while someone points a loaded weapon at us, in exchange for a crappy bowl of rice at the end of the day. We are however forced to pay taxes. Sadly some of that tax money is stolen by rich gluttonous sleazebags. Despite the fact that some of that dough is taken from people who work themselves near to death, sometimes at two or more jobs, to make enough only to pay for some basic necessities.
Wake up people. Adscam is not the only scam the liberals had going on to pick our pockets, it just happens to be the one we caught them at. Corporations give money to political parties all the time in exchange for a favor or two. A company has no other reason to exist other than to make money. The majority of every political party's income is "donated". Is anybody really stupid enough to believe a corporation would give money away without the promise of making more in return?
It's a cruel world where nice guys finish last. Our country would not be as nice a place to live if it wasn't for the fact that it's always been managed by a gang of deceitful greedheads, not a group of honest nerds.

It is interesting that the Conservatives have become so successful at fundraising. At the same time the Liberals have had a gigantic drop in their fundraising efforts.
Asides from the bad press from Gomery and Dingwall etc. could there be a connection to the Adscam money funneling? They still lead the country in polls. Money that was stolen or donated by recipients now no longer being funneled in. I hear praise (rare) in the MSM for the Conservatives successful grassroots efforts, yet have heard little on what is going wrong with the Liberal fundraising. There would seem to be more of a direct tie to Adscam revelations and the huge drop in money raised/solicited/stolen. Just off the cuff, i think that the differing amounts between Liberals and Conservatives could be directly attributed to money not being stolen or illegally misdirected.
enough

Enough

You are bang on.
Crap like adscam goes on and on until something happens to stop it. So the act shouldn't be confused with how it all came to light.
I'll be brief.
Everyone in the liberal caucus knew that a room of comfy fur existed, the problem they had was that the liberal party has become adept at dispersing funds at incredible rates during campaigns....frankly their greedy. But that statement still doesn't give the answer on everybodies mind about why adscam came to light.
Why? The LPC was desperate for money. No problem, just funnel some out of the government budget to a greatful contractor will be a gracious donator to the party.
Now heres the fly in the ointment. At about the same time that this filthy lucre was suppose to be going into the liberal party coffers, it was let slip (no doubt by an anybody but Paul leadership contender) that Martin was skimming off the top for his own ambitions.
Martin seemed to be able to find donations from almost anywhere, while the party was going broke.

The liberals are not mad as hell that adscam happened. There just po'd that one of their own was skimming off the top for himself instead of for the party....when they where all doing it.

There's nobody quite as righteous as a reformed whore.

Robert is MWW, hopefully it'll go away soon and take it's moonbat friends

Vincent Lacroix? Who is Vincent Lacroix?

Where is Vincent Lacroix? >>>>

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Vincent Lacroix 2004 Individual Liberal Party $2,500.00
Vincent Lacroix 2004 Individual Liberal Party $2,500.00

http://www.boundbygravity.com/SEC/ECSearch.aspx

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MONTREAL - It's been more than seven weeks since the Autorite des marches financiers (AMF), Quebec's investment industry watchdog, and the RCMP raided Norbourg's offices and the homes of chief executive Vincent Lacroix, who the AMF accuses of masterminding a massive embezzlement of client funds. Those raids followed six weeks of investigation by the Mounties and months more by AMF officials. And still no one has been charged with a crime. (The Gazette)
http://www.primetimecrime.com/