make that theft of a $50,000 ring.

Ooops sorry, Sven said he didn't steal it . . he "pocketed" it.

Sounds like a plausable defence for Guite et al in thier upcoming trials.

Maybe Ding-Dongwall could use the defence "that $350,000 success fee wasn't theft because I just "pocketed" the money.

Amazing. Once again this site reinforces the reputaton of conservatives/Conservatives for intolerance. "Her Majesty", "nipple clamps"? Keep on cranking out those tired and offensive stereotypes.

Hey Liz, you say that like it's a bad thing. The problem with you moonbats is that you tolerate just about anything. There is no good or bad in your world, just things to tolerate. It's sad, really, that you are so easily deceived.

Get a life!

If you want to know who is cranking out tired and offensive stereotypes about gays, take a look at the stuff they publish.

Wasn't that ring more like $65,000?

Geez, that ring keeps getting more expensive all the time. I thought the pants issue was settled after the National Post ran a campaign asking for donations to buy Svend a new pair of pants. I remember John Manley crossing the floor to donate a few bucks. Eventually some tailor offered to make him a new pair.

Does anyone find it strange that the police readily offer Svend 10 grand for hurt feelings when people like David Milgard and Guy Paul Morin have to go after them with a battery of lawyers when demanding compensation for wrongful convictions - convictions that were the result of shoddy police work.

Politicians, it doesn't matter what stripe they wear, they all look after themselves.

"Keep on cranking out those tired and offensive stereotypes."

Sure thing. Hey, what are you doing speaking when not spoken to, female? Back to the kitchen with you!

There, happy now? ;-)

"make that theft of a $50,000 ring"

It was valued at $10,300 in the item I linked to.

If you want offensive have i got a tirade for you! It offends me that it is no longer a criminal offence to commit sodomy in this country! It offends me that commies and socialists are allowed into this country. It offends me that people like Sven and Guite and other Liberano friendly scumbags can commit theft and get away with it! It offends me that fags are trying to recuit children in our country! It offends me that people are so stupid they actually believe anything PMPM and his henchmen have to say. It offends me that Alberta is still in this commie country! It offends me that people like Elizabeth G-G are not in a mental institute were they belong.

"Amazing. Once again this site reinforces the reputaton of conservatives/Conservatives for intolerance."

Sorry Liz , are you expressing intolerance to conservative intolerance of theft?

I'm sorry but your terrible intolerance of theft intollerance can not be tolerated.

$10,000?
Why didn't they just give the guy a bandaid and a new pair of pants?

"It offends me that it is no longer a criminal offence to commit sodomy in this country!"

Making sodomy illegal again would criminalize the relationship that Paul Martin's government has with Canada's taxpayers.

"It offends me that people like Elizabeth G-G are not in a mental institute were they belong."

And, what in your professional opinion, is she suffering from that merits her involuntary admission to a psychiatric facility?

"It's masochism delivered by sadists"

Elizabeth is really Scott Reid, so ignore it.
How much did that poor bastard get when Cretin throttled him for protesting? What about all the students who were pepper sprayed on Cretin's orders? Talk about YEARS of pain and suffering. Maybe they can borrow Svend's lawyer. The more people read this crap, the more they realize the left has lost it, is without scruples or integrity, and ALL THE BLOODY SAME.

Dear Elizabeth,

I am really sorry to hear that you were offended by comments on this website. Maybe you don't know how to make your computer go to a site more suited to your tastes. I feel your pain and suffering. Now lighten up! Maybe you don't see the problem with Svend getting $10,000 for a pair of pants and a bo-bo on his leg. I do. I am offended that my government does things like this. Now go away and play with your crayons.

Do good libertarian-minded conservatives no longer believe that the police should be held to account for excessive behaviour? Or do you just make exceptions when it's actions against a homosexual you don't like?

Before you say Svend received special treatment, read the article and remember that his $10,000 was a small part of the $70 million in settlements the RCMP made.

When will the average Canadian get a settlement for all the pain, suffering and embarrassment that Svend has inflicted upon us for so many years?

Silver lining to the report:

He may run in Vancouver Centre against Hot Cross Hedy (TM) Fry. A person even more contemptible and much less entertaining than Svend Pocketingsome..

"Or do you just make exceptions when it's actions against a homosexual you don't like?"

If old Svensy was a Lutheran Minister that was convicted of stealing a $50,000 ring to give a babe that he met on a beach in Cuba, he wouldn't have a hope in hell of continuing a political career.

Homosexuality is Svend's Kryptonite shield in our cowardly correct environment.

Cal:

That's not the issue. To repeat my question: Do good libertarian-minded conservatives no longer believe that the police should be held to account for excessive behaviour? Or do you just make exceptions when it's actions against a homosexual you don't like?

Do good libertarian-minded conservatives no longer believe that the police should be held to account for excessive behaviour? Or do you just make exceptions when it's actions against a homosexual you don't like?

In this instance, I answer with a question: was the police behaviour actually "excessive", or was it just an appropriate response to a bunch of loud, aggressive protesters and rioters? I figure it was mainly the latter, regardless of what the overthenthitive desk jockeys of the complaints commission might have determined.

Fair enough, Dudley. And thanks for addressing the question. If that's the case - and it may bem I don't know - then the post should ask why so many people received settlements. Singling out Svend and then making homophobic jokes just isn't necessary. Instead, it's a bit pointless, tasteless, and probably indicative of a person who has a general intolerance toward homosexuals.

Peter

Why does Peter bother visiting if he's so easily offended? Anybody in their right mind would be offended by Svend's payout. He's a poster boy for the left here in Vancouver, and even the idiots here are offended. Given the week we've had with Dingbat and his expenses, this is just another slap in the face. A toast to anal fissures everywhere, particularly those in Ottawa ....

Iron Lady:

Re: "How much did that poor bastard get when Cretin throttled him for protesting"

That was the only positive thing that Chretien did during his stay in Ottawa. I smiled when that left wing asshole professional protester got taken down by Jean. It must be the Librano thing. :-)

Iron Lady, are you suggesting that everyone else who had a claim similar to Svend's arising from Quebec City should get a settlement, but not Svend? Or are you saying none of them should have?

BTW, I am not that easily offended. I am just annoyed by reactionary, intellectually lazy, and illogical conservatives. You do nothing for the cause.

I'm just opposed to frivolous claims, such as Svend's. Wonder what would have happened had one of his PLO buddies hit him with a rubber bullet mistaking him for a suicide bomber as he minced around the Middle East? We can all find something that has deeply wounded us and is probably good for a buck or two, but hey, get over it. As for that sucker mugged by Cretin, didn't he try to file assault charges against the PM and failed? I'm sure he did. Most of these rent-a-mob types are career protesters. Pepper spray and rubber bullets come with the job, I suspect.

Dear Elizibeth: I am an old guy who is lucky enough to have grandchildren. I find it very difficult to explain to them some basic golden rules to live by when our Government is so crooked and dishonest. Stealing and cheating is wrong. It does not matter the political stipe. The same rule applies. Please do not equate those of us who oppose stealing and cheating with one political persuation.

Peter yes I do think the RCMP should be held accountable for their actions but do you think a pair of pants is worth 10 thousands dollars you jackass!!!!!!You probably think the pensions and pay raises are well earned by our MPs.So go put the tin foil hat back on and sit in the corner until you realize that your just another liberal moonbat.

Hey a patriot. First, why don't you go ahead and use your real name? Second, I am not sure if you read the article, but the settlement was also for pain and suffering. It's actually pretty reasonable, considering he was shot with a rubber bullet.

I have no idea what this has to do with pensions or MPs salaries.

Finally, you should relax. Take a deep breath.

Hey all - I'm not sure how much I'll add to this comment thread - but for what it's worth, I am a gay canadian and I'm disgusted by Svend's politics, his theft and this 10K award. I don't "recruit" children in this country. I'm actually quite conservative politically, and I have many gay friends who feel similarly. Please don't think that the media's portrayal of the "gay voice" represents us all.

Thanks

Let's stay on track here. No pair of pants, not even Svend's is worth $10,000. He got caught STEALING a piece of jewelry worth that might have been worth more than $10,000. The fact that he is a self-confessed sodomite has nothing to do with those two facts. Peter LowOne, if you are so annoyed here, ask some guidance from someone who can show you how to make your computer not go here. It ain't gonna change. Sorry if that sounds a little harsh buddy.

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"and probably indicative of a person who has a general intolerance toward homosexuals."

Right Peter , you are bringing .... "You're a homophobe" to the discusion, check got that.

And we'll look forward to hearing from you the next time a gay guy does something terrible somewhere.

I can't believe how poorly all of you think. The original post is a farce, and your comments are, too. The fact that Svend stole a piece of jewlery is independent of whether he is deserving of money from the RCMP. One does not bear on the other.

Richfisher, I am sorry, but the references to pain and suffering and nipple rings were just a little too stereotypical. You wouldn't get away with a post on a black recipient of a settlement spending his money on watermelon. And you all know it.

Finally, why would I post something when a gay person does something bad?

Peter my name is Shawn Taylor Ihave served my country in the military for 21 years and Iget a piddly little pension bit thats not why I did that time Idid it for my country and now all I see is graft and coruption among our elected officials who are collecting gold plated pensions and that include that thieving bastard sven .And if yuor not outraged by this then where are your morales.Imean this pervert wanted to lower the age of consent to 12 years old.

Also its to bad that rubber bullet didn't nail the moron in the head just like that poor smuck at the Vancouver hockey game we would be one pervert short in this country.

The original post was funny, afuckingjoke, if you don't get it or like it that's too bad.
glorious and free..
we stand on guard for sve

Peter "I can't believe how poorly all of you think", "one does not bear on the other"??!
fuck you!
you are the only one bringing up the issue in the first place

I'm sorry, Mr. Lowen, I've calmly sat here and read your opinions, but you simply can't assert that "I can't believe how poorly all of you think", and expect to maintain any degree of credibility. The use of the universal qualifier in the categorization of an agglomertaion of people of normally distributed thinking skills is never justified. Good night.

And as to the matter of Mr. Robinson, I think we would all be better off if we would learn to distinguish between the human rights issue of freedom of choice in private personal relationships (including homosexuality) and the political issue of gayismists.

They're not the same, you know.

If an individual works hard, is honest, and does their best to live up to their obligations, I don't care if they are green, red, purple or opaque, and I don't care what they do in their personal homes and lives. Several of my very dear friends who work their asses off to earn a living, are gay. Radical gay activism has really hurt the gay community among sympathetic people.

Seven years or so ago, I was in New York with my dear sweet mother. Little did we know it was the day of the gay pride [arade. Thank God she and my five year old daughter were trapped somewhere in the Empire State Building queuing for the observation deck when the parade came through, because it was simply obscene. DISGUSTING.

News to gays: heterosexuals really enjoy sex too. However, during the thousands of years of dominant mainstream hetrosexuality, we have refrained from marching down Fifth Avenue naked spiking our tounges out of the charciture of a labia or a penis in front of unsuspecting children, their parents and grandparents.

If you want to be seen as mature, responsible, contributing members of a society deserving of respect, you should absolutely require your mouthpiece special interest groups and public parade managers to portray you as such, and not sex-mongering freaks.

Also, the heterosexual community should stop it with their campaign to redefine words like marriage. For as long as the language has existed, English speaking people have understood that marriage means the legal and (until the left broke it down) almost always permanent union between a man and a women. That is what the word means and has meant for centuries and millenium, developed organically with a long standing history within our language and our culture. You CANNOT change that kind of thing. It is what it is. If you want your own word, make it from scratch. There are innumberal combinations of alphabetical letters. Just pick one.

Furthermore, you currently have the power, if you so choose, to declare whatever beneficiary you want, to enter into a mortgage with whomever you want, and to grant power of attorney to whomever you may want. You've come a long way. Congratulations. Enough.

How much of the bill did Robinson pay when he slipped over a CLIFF, AND HAD TO BE DRAGGED UP TO THE TOP. The ring was worth over 63,00 dollars, and the only reason that he copped out was because he was warned that they had him on tape. He used to run some f the highest exense accts flying all over the world with his lover, and the best Hotels, he got kicked out of China, and tried his best to help his Muslim buddies in Kosovo, and when one goes into a protest parade, they know that it can be dangerous, so one goes into these parades at their peril, if Robinson had not been who he is, he would not only have received nowt, but charged for trespassing and being a public nuisance. But he is a former MP who have lots of friends with the Elite of Ottawa. ( Ottawawa: Objiwa meaning: "Goose that dines on it's own droppings!" or is that "Bulls"?

Stephen. Parksville BC ww 2 vet.

How would I find a place to get some background on Robinson,I heard he came into the country illegaly from the US and or a draft dodger, anyone help me on this?

By the way, I thought it odd that when Robinson came up to the top of the cliff at Grouse Mountain outside of Vancouver hiking,( Probably looking for envirenmental offenses so he could shut down the park ) with the help of the people that pulled him up, I heard him answer a question that was asked by the lefty kissy feely liberal media, " what were your thoughts Mr. Robinson while you were laying down there, what kept you alive?, his reply???? "My lover, thoughts of my lover and how I miss him." not how the hell am I going to get out here, why didn't I carry a cell phone with me so that I could contact someone in an emergency of any kind, meeting up with a strange bear being one of them, starting a fire to attract with the smoke, no he just cuddled up to himself and waited for the great white father to come and rescue him in time to see his lover once again. And him an educated MP going hiking with no emergency equitpment is an example on his possessed mind with the devil Communism, retarded to say the least. I see he is thinking of running against another leftie Heddy Frye, that will be interesting to see if he gets one vote. Interesting to see just how many Canadians have gone nutier than I think they are.

Stephen Parkville BC ww 2 vet.

Twenty five years ago I thought that the homosexuals were being mistreated by the others. I'm satisfied that progress has been made on that front.

Now I'm starting to think that the gayismists are mistreating the others. Progress on that front seems prescient.

What ever happened to the simple concept that we won't proscribe your sexual behaviour as long as you GET A ROOM! Sorry to be blunt, but flirting in public is clearly ok (for some values of flirting); humping is not (for all values of humping). I know, values, values, there's the rub. (Say, do I get a pun award for that?)

Not bird nor plane nor even frog, it's just little old me, Underdog.

"What ever happened to the simple concept that we won't proscribe your sexual behaviour as long as you GET A ROOM! Sorry to be blunt, but flirting in public is clearly ok (for some values of flirting); humping is not (for all values of humping). I know, values, values, there's the rub. (Say, do I get a pun award for that?)"

I don't suppose you'd consider running for office Tony? I'd vote for you, surely to God I would.

It astonishes me that a dangerous lunatic such as Svend is being so richly rewarded by the "Liberal" state after all the horrible stuff he has done to make Canada look bad on the international stage.

Recall his fawning support of the Milosevic Serbs' genocide of the Kosovar Muslims? What about his snooty arrogance right in the face of IDF warriors when trying to walk into the West Bank to kiss Yasser Arafat's ass? What of his support of Saddam's murderous, inhuman, internationally malevolent regime?

Hey, I've a hole in the crotch of my sweatpants. Where's my check for, say, $500 for my own suffering therefor?

Svend draws a gold-plated Parliamentary pension check, an $85K/annum salary working for a union (given to him right after the Librano judge let him off for stealing a $64K ring) and now a $10K check for a pair of ripped trousers?

I hope no one would assininely dare suggest that any sort of criticism of Mr. Robinson for anything would be tantamount to "homophobia". People shouldn't view a person's gayness as immunity from being held responsible and punished for any kind of wrongdoing.

But Svend Robinson seems to have been granted some sort of immunity by the state, along the lines of "diplomatic immunity". That is the problem.

Oh, oh Canada.

Please come back, Kate! Your site is getting out of hand.

Glad to see that so many of you (not all) have further demonstrated your lack of clear thinking skills. I'll try to make this clear: Svend was mistreated by the police, as were many many other people in Quebec City. The RCMP admitted this, and they agreed to a settlement, to him and many others.

Whether he is gay, or was a bad MP, or holds hands with his partner in public, or is a bad hiker, or anything else is irrelevant to the facts of what happened in Quebec City. Those things are irrelevant to the justice or injustice of his settlement. To bring them in is to display a lack of clear thinking.

Peter, I'm sure you weren't referring to me. Were you? If you were, read my comments more slowly and carefully. Sometimes emotion can cloud one's judgement, both on the left and the right.

I'm on record as stating I don't give a damn about what stuff people do in the privacy of their own bedroom. The state seems, however, to treat people differently on this basis these days, and that is wrong. Don't you agree?

And, Peter,

Can you prove that Svend was "mistreated by the police"? That all the violent leftists were mistreated?

So what about the settlement? A settlement is not proof of anything and you know that, right? Nothing is admitted in a settlement, so it's irrelevant.

Weren't the police only doing their job?

Stephen:

The settlement gave Svend money in recognition of his pain and suffering, so there is some culpability there.

To be clear, I think you've lapsed in your thought just as others have. You object to Svend's settlement on the grounds of what he did as a politician which you (and I) found distasteful. All of that is irrelevant (as is his sexuality) to whether the RCMP admitted to mistreating him. Which they did. Also irrelevant to whether he and others were deserving of a settlement is the fact that he stole a ring.

peter

The police were told to apologise for Svends "mistreatment". In Svends little world and the world of the lefties like you Peter, he was mistreated. In any normal view not even close. You pay a price for participating in a riot.
The settlement to Svend when he has paid no price for his legal transgressions, shows how out of whack Canadian society is.
enough

Peter, I never made any connection between the other stuff and the incident that led the taxpayers to pay ten grand for a pair of pants. I merely put a lot of facts out there as we were on the subject of Mr. Robinson. I regret any perceived connection on your part between what you indicated and the ripped pants.

I don't believe there was any real "suffering" on the part of Mr. Robinson. Just 'cause the Mounties apologized (as probably ordered) doesn't mean that in reality Svend actually suffered. If he did "suffer", then it was almost entirely in his head, as we know he suffers a lot that way, or perhaps it's an act? A real hero would not have bawled like a baby about something so insignificant, after all. Gimme a break!

Anyway, I hope he learned a lesson for his own good: don't place yourself in unnecessary danger and then blame others for the injury/suffering you incur as a result of your own failure to foresee what's coming to you should you not stand way back.

I don't care if the Mounties apologized. That doesn't absolve Mr. Robinson for his own stupidity which indubitably played a causative part in the injury (Some injury, eh? Wonder how much Bill Clennett got as a settlement for the Cretch rearranging his face; it should be far, far greater than what SR got for his pants).

Whatever happened to common sense? It's become a rarity these days, replaced with knee-jerk political correctness. Are you sure YOU haven't lapsed in YOUR thinking, Peter? Is it any less possible for it to happen to you (or Svend) than for anyone else? Food for thought.

With all due respect. And without sarcasm, lest it be perceived.

Stephen:

This was the first paragraph of your entry: "It astonishes me that a dangerous lunatic such as Svend is being so richly rewarded by the "Liberal" state after all the horrible stuff he has done to make Canada look bad on the international stage."

You obviously were implying that you didn't think Svend was deserving of the money because of all the damaging things he has done. You can say otherwise. Or you can just admit that you were wrong.

Stephen never said that, Peter, Sentinel did.
Are your other opinions similarly incorrect?

Stephen McAllister is The Senitel.

If I am wrong on this, I apologize. I prefer to use people's real names rather than pseudonyms.

Peter

No dice, Peter. You didn't say McAllister, you just said Stephen, which a reasonable person would construe to be a reference to Michaud, that is, the one Stephen who has participated in this act.

When discussing the characters in a play, Peter, I prefer to use the names of the characters, not the actors, in order to avoid being gratuitously obtuse to the context, and casually ingracious to the sensibilities of others trying to enjoy the show.

Hmm. Good point, Peter.

But...

Think about this: If it had been Stockwell Day instead of Svend Robinson, would the RCMP have bent over backwards for him? I doubt it, as the Liberal gov't would never order them to apologize to Mr. Day as they would deem him not-politically-correct, which is apparently a greater offence in their eyes than another person's supporting genocide of Muslims in Kosovo, of Jews in Israel (supporting the intifada is effectively that) and supporting Saddam, who had the Kurds gassed to death just 'cause he didn't like 'em and so on.

I apparently wanted to highlight that there's a double standard as a prelude to the issue at hand, the shocking payment of ten thousand dollars to some professional left-wing extremist who deliberately placed himself into harm's way during a riot perpetuated in part by extremists wearing gas masks and chucking molotov coctails and rocks all over the place. The very idea that ANY ONE of those individuals would be compensated at all is mind-boggling!

I was trying to help people realize that people of various extreme left-wing persuasions are treated with favorable preference by the state under Paul Martin's Liberals today as compared to regular folk, especially those of conservative orientation. Do you disagree that left-wing extremists get greater respect and rewards from the Liberal state than regular folk? Do you wish to believe what the Liberals and the biased MSM tell you to believe? Can you not see the blatant double standard here? Don't you see that there is now increasing state/MSM pressure bearing upon the population in terms of making them feel they'd better "get with the program" as prescribed by the Orwellian Big-Brother "Liberal" state?

However, I didn't mean to claim that Mr. Robinson's being a leftist nutcase actually had any bearing upon the ripped-trouser settlement. The settlement should not have happened, regardless of who may have had his pants torn; the police were doing their job as ordered. That those who issued the orders forced the police to recant is bizarre.

How can we maintain law and order if the police are terrified of the consequences of getting in trouble for doing their job, for heaven's sake? The state has the police handcuffed as well as the military, the CSIS, the Auditor General, the Ethics Commissioner, etc. etc.

Peter, it's a far, far broader issue than a $10,000 check for a pair of fecking pants.

In my humble opinion.

Peter Loewen, The Canadian Sentinel never revealed his actual name.

Why would you?

Tony: In each case, I was responding to the Senitel's claims, and quoting the Senitel. Obviously, I was referring to him. You'll also notice that he (Senitel) responded directly to these. Sorry for the confusion. I obviously prize clarity.

peter

Perhaps it's Mr. Loewen who has demonstrated a lack of clear thinking skills.

And it's spelled "Sentinel", Mr. Smartypants.

Senitel: I thought you were Stephen McAllister. If you wish to say otherwise, please do. I'll start referring you to Senitel from now on, to avoid confusion.

Mr. Loewen claimed he was responding to the Sentinel.

Then why did he use the opening address of "Stephen:"?

I am honestly quite embarassed that I constantly spell Sentinel incorrectly. Sorry.

Peter, let's forget it.

It's silly to get worked up over a pair of pants, isn't it?

Besides, I've had a bit of Italian red wine.

Obviously I did it because I was under the belief that Sentinel is Stephen McAllister, who used to comment on this blog frequently but dissappeared at the same time Sentinel arrived - like when your father goes and Santa appears on Christmas Eve.

We better cut it out, or Kate's going to be royally pissed at us for turning the thread into something it isn't...

Just so, Peter. Even after you've seen mommy kissing Santa Claus, if you try to talk about your father in a public conversation via references to Santa, people are likely to (1) be somewhat confused, (2) be at least slightly suspicious, and (3) look at you funny.

And, Sentinal, I don't think this is off topic, appologies to Kate if she disagrees. I think it is important to keep references clear in discussion of matters of some civic importance. In the case of this thread in particular, references to Mr. Robinson's sexuality are not relevent; references to his criminal behaviour that should have had him disbarred but now has him employeed in legal council at a public sector union, and the possible political culpability of the state police in the matter, is relevant.

References matter.

I'm in complete agreement with you, Tony. Svend R., regardless of with whom he likes to spend his private time, should've been disbarred at the very, very least for his grand larceny yet instead he reaps all kinds of rich rewards.

Meanwhile, we regular, law-abiding, quiet, polite folk continue to suffer under the burden of high taxes which partially go towards people like Robinson, Dingwall, Coffin, etc. etc....

We've a right to question what happens to our tax dollars and when high-profile elitists get a slap on the wrist when we might get a prison sentence.

I was afraid we've turned this thread into a "chat room" even if we're on topic. I hope Captain Kate will have mercy on us.

Tony:

You are right about names. Again, I am sorry for the confusion.

I am afraid that whether Svend stole a ring should have no bearing on whether he got a settlement from the RCMP. It certainly should bear on whether he practices law, but not whether he receives a settlement. I don't think this is debatable.

Peter

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And I do think it is debateable, Peter, unless one presumes the impossibility of the settlement being politically motivated, as opposed to, say, motivitated by a sense of fair play and justice.

A western Canadian farmer goes to jail for months becuase he did something with *his* harvest that's not even illegal in Old Canada; Mr. Coffin has to promise to be home in time for his favourite TV show, at least on weekdays, and he has to lecture impressionable students on *cough* ethics. And Mr. Robinson gets to play toy lawyer funded by extortion.

Fortunately, all the universities Coffin's been assigned to by the Liberals are in Quebec (AFAIK), so absquatulation remains an option.

(And, Maz2, buddy, I appologize if you're actually autistic, but have you no social skills at all? Is it completely oblivious to you that a handfull of people have been trying to have an interesting discussion here for the last day or so, and you just walked into the room and farted? Sorry, Kate.)

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Tony: Agreed on maz2.

Under the conditions you've specified, it's worth questioning Svend's settlement. But then, what matters are not his past actions, or his sexuality, but the larger corrpution which would allow this settlement. I think to ascertain that, we'd have to have a better sense of what the other settlements were for, and for how much.

Peter

"Absquatulation"? Not again, Mr. Big Word Guy? :-)

(And, Maz2, buddy, I appologize if you're actually autistic, but have you no social skills at all? Is it completely oblivious to you that a handfull of people have been trying to have an interesting discussion here for the last day or so, and you just walked into the room and farted? Sorry, Kate.)

And leave Maz2 alone; he's very helpfully informative. We all appreciate his breaking news. It takes a lot of effort and committment.

I salute you, Maz2.

And any "windy flow state" of, what was it, bloviation, relating to him has no bearing on anything. We all do it sometimes.

Guess what, Peter, I more or less completely agree with your last comment.

Maz, I wonder why PMPM's priest changed his mind? Ah, perhaps a particularly generous deposit into the rectangular basket on the stick?

I think I just drank the Communal wine...

Tony:

Let's call it a (happily resolved) day.

Peter

Peter: done. Sentinel: sigh.

Go Maz2!!!
:)

Svend Robinson and his playboy.
Lyrics.

Who wants to buy this diamond ring.
He took it off the table,but that doesnt mean a thing.
This diamond ring doesnt shine for him anymore.
And stealing diamond rings doesnt mean what it meant before.
So if youve got someone whose love is true.The government works for you.

This stone is genuine like love should be.
Lying in the forest, more pain and suffering.
This diamond ring can mean something beautiful.
Back in politics , its my dream coming true.
And then your heart wont break like mine did
If there's a pardon behind it.

This diamond ring can be like a stepping stone.
lots of attention ,that my mind so bold ,
constantly demands, without so much as told.
you can have a record, you can do some time.

More bloviation (snice werd) :
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October 03, 2005
Paul Martin vs the Pope

Angry in the Great White North has added another entry to his list of Church vs State posts. Looks like the Pope is going to bring down the hammer, which means Paul Martin and his pet priest Father John Walsh are in trouble.

The Pope and a synod of bishops are considering making it an across-the-board policy that politicians who vote in favour of legislation that runs counter to an issue of morality will be denied communion in any parish church.

Paul Martin will have to drop the phrase "good Catholic" from his resume. And Father Walsh might have to look for a new job. Under this rule, Walsh's attitude that politicians get a special pass on actually being moral Catholics is rightly identified as so much hogwash. Walsh either plays by the new rulebook or looks for a new team.

Bet this ruling, if adopted, is going to affect a lot of Liberal, Bloc, and NDP MPs. Expect a lot of howling about separation of Church and State, which to these people means one thing: whatever I do is fine!

I don't expect Pope Benedict to be particular worried about upsetting the likes of Paul Martin. Do you?
Posted by Angry at>>>>>>>> SDA