Kate,
It's disgusting how CTV has jumped all over this story. The headline this morning was " a small but growing number of Conservatives....." From the sound of that,I was expecting at least a dozen more CPC MPs to have jumped on the bandwagon with the four dummies from Quebec. But One? And a known trouble maker at that. How does CTV get' a growing number' from that?
Anything to hurt Harper, eh?

It's worse than that. For most of the day they were introducing the story on CTV newsnet by calling Jamieson an MP!
CTV is having a rough month.

She was on Rutherford this morning and you could hear poor Dave cringing when she talked...the woman is definitely a screecher.

OK, I'm sorry but I have to ask......

Is the entire CTV network stuck on stupid?

Is she the Carol Jamieson who told Clark he didnt have the numbers the night before they lost the vote....need to check my copy of Discipline of Power......

Rob R,
Stuck on stupid or not, there are Canadians who believe them. After all, CTV was crowned with Divinity when they killed off Lucien Bouchard and raised him from the dead on the same day!

On Adler Online Reality Check, 58% of Canadians say that it doesn't matter who leads the Conservatives, the media will bash them.
Methinks the public is smarter than the MSM gives them credit for.
Methinks both the Libs and the MSM should be running scared.

This is the second (the Quebec group last week) time lately that there is a call for Mr. Harper to step down. With the recent polls indicating a Liberal majority it's understandable. He should get do CPC a favour and get out quick so they have a chance in the spring election.

Can Harper offer anything substantive other than being anti-liberal. It's not selling.

Jamieson makes me think of Cindy Sheehan and MWW. Old birds of a feather...

I'm watching this nonevent over a mere half-dozen undercover moonies. Seems the MSM has no scruples wrt making a mountain out of an anthill, as usual. Bugger the MSM.

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com

I shouldn't do this but I'm gonna..
Forgive me, Kate, here goes,
"CTV, Canada's most trusted news network and ,Lloyd Robertson, Canada's most trusted anchor".
Says Who?

CTV is just as anti-C(c)onservative as the CBC.

After all, they force Jane "Deep Throat" Taber down our gorges every Sunday. And are teamed with the Globe.

Mark
Ottawa

Here I go with the broken record bit again, but this is another incidence of total focus on the Holy Trinity of Canadian politics, that being The Leader, The Leader, and The Leader.

Stephen Taylor has a snippet from Garth Turner who at least gets it right - there's more to a political party than one individual. Or at least, there should be.

But the vast majority seem to see everything in terms of personality cults.

And while there is a solution, I don't see it happening any time soon.

Pity.

Steve,
The Liberals have no hope in Quebec. NONE! With no hope in Quebec, the Liberals will not and can not win a majority. Ain't gonna happen.

The 'three' Quebec renegades are not star candidates. Ms Jamieson is a typical Toronto bitch. Her musings are not going to have any long-term effect.

Let me repeat Steve: The Liberals have NO HOPE in Quebec. NONE!

I'll stick with Harper and let the cowards, the bullshitters and the disloyal write another chapter in the Red Tory Blues.

"Ms. Jamieson, who helped recruit Belinda Stronach into the party's leadership race which Mr. Harper won, accused Mr. Harper of colossal political missteps in not reaching out to those who had worked for Ms. Stronach."

Now you know where she is coming from and also it tells you volumes of her lack of political smarts when she promoted the air head Belinda as leadership material.
However she knows where the dollars are and where her bread is buttered and will have her nose up Belinda's ass as long as the money flows.

The Carolyn Parrish of Tories, isn't she? Anybody noticed how much coverage CTV is giving Frank Stronach lately? If he's not welcoming Katrina evacuees to West Palm, promising a trailer park for thousands, but he's flying a sick young cancer patient on his private jet to Calgary for treatment the boy can't get in Ontario. Big news on CTV. Frankie's going Hollywood - or at least, Ottawa.

That's right Anslem. I'm getting sick and tired of hearing alleged "conservatives" telling us we have to "moderate" or stay in opposition. And I'm not knocking all Red Tories here. Many a Red Tory have been completely supportive of both the merger and Harp's leadership, and I'm grateful for it. But a few scattered malignant cells are doing their best to become a full-fledged tumour in the Tory Party, in an effort to ensure a Liberal victory. Their Liberal friends in the media are only too eager to help them.

Instead of "reaching out" to these unreachable ass clowns and losers, we should be pursuing a principled conservative agenda (e.g. deep tax cuts, public sector reductions, major healthcare reform INCLUDING private insurance options, and an elected Senate). Such an agenda would send the last of those wimps running for cover under the Liberal banner. (Or maybe the Green Party like our former fellow Blogging Tory Craig Cantin. For a laugh, check out his site. He's parroting this same CTV report as confirmation he made the right decision to bolt to the Greens.) It would also clarify where we stand in the public eye and give us a host of terrific wedge issues with which to peel support away from our opponents and toward ourselves.

Why is this one woman's views worthy of repeated national media attention again? Oh yeah, that's right, because it fits in with the media's preconcieved agenda driven story line.

And what's with her being "another" one coming out against Harper? It reminds me of the early days of the Soviets when they wanted to show the world they had military capability but lacked the armament - they'd have those big military parades and circle the same missles back around the front of the parade grounds over and over again.

Consider this - there are hundreds of "party organizers", MP's and other Conservative officials, yet they have to go back to her as an example of party dissent. Isn't that evidence of the opposite of what they're trying to portray in their story line?

The Toronto Slop and Pail is a bigger Liberal suck-up machine than the CBC, even when the CBC is functioning.

Was it Gloria Galloway who wrote the hit(hate)-piece trashing people of the Christian faith for trying to "take over" the CPC? One would think Galloway was describing criminals or terrorists.

Perhaps Gloria is gunning, to use a Murphyism, for some of that "comfy fur" enjoyed by Pamela Wallin, Jim Munson, etc.

Sorry Doug, but must beg to differ. If the whole emphasis of in the media was on leadership, how is it that PMPM gets a free pass. I have seen him in various outfits curiously designed to make him fit in, but the media refuse to make a circus out of this. If GWB is a man who can't find his a** without the help of his father, why not PMPM. Can you, or anyoone else claim that all of the Liberal caucus - let alone the party - is happy with his "leadership"? Oh, wait a tic. There was Shiela Copps, MP, and one time Deputy PM. But that chick, unlike Jamieson, is just whacked.

I will grant you that Harper is not the ideal leader. I will also grant you that there may not be such a creature, and that I have been bewithched, bothered and bewildered by the MSM. But to laud PMPM as the type of leader that Harper is not, to hold these leaders to two separate, divergent and ideological driven standards, this is not an obsesion with leadership, but duplicity.

And here's a passing fancy. Why not talk to Shiela Copps. Ask her if she knows anyone in the Liberal party - she must still have some contacts; who signs her checks? - who is disinchanted with the leadership of PMPM. Just a thought.

I had to turn the clip off halfway through - CTV was given a golden opportunity to shine as a REAL newscast, without having to watch their backs or try to one-up the CBC, and have instead, it seems, spent their time auditioning as the next CBC. How disappointing; how typical.

The argument for a principled agenda is also an NDP one, which leads to principled defeats. The last time you found an outsider you won.

There's no real anti-Harper story here. The dump'm movement has what 6 people?

Is Gloria Galloway any relation to the loud mouthed liberal MP Roger Galloway. You know the clown that comes up every now and then, he dumps a bunch of critism on verious liberal policies. He barks a lot, gets lots of publicity, his next step is to abstain from or completley miss any crutical vote on the topic, then happily dissapears again. Rutherford has had in on his show several, I think it is for comic relief.

Steve, at 7:27 you said, *Can Harper offer anything substantive?*

C'mon Steve, an old hand at politics like you knows full well the *substantive* stuff will not appear on any side until just the right moment, leading up to the election.

Anything placed on the table now will not only go stale, it will be ripped at by detractors similar to.. [you posibly?]

There are several general messages and general policies in TV spots and you can view them at the CPC web site. The real guns don't come out until the Martinites start showing up over the hill.

You Steve, in the mean-time, must be powerfully proud of the daily stiffening of secrecy measures your Liberals are forcing into place. The Newspaper Association is screaming Blue-Murder about this as a ploy to break the Freedom of Information act into little pieces.

The clamping down with life-term oaths of screcy forced upon 6,000 employees in 12 departments.

Steve, are these the actions of a self assured government, or actions of a government losing public confidence and respect?

Are you a person of *Blind Faith*? Do you think evidence listed at the CBC website and http://BendGovt.blog.ca is not relevant because the Librals *are good-hearted*?

Pardon me Steve, I have to go lean over the back balcony now. 73s TG

Tony, I'm no Liberal. I've never even voted and I'm 57. Just never could bring myself to do it.
Do you expect a different result each time you vote and it never happens. If you vote, you can't complain.

Um, that makes no sense Steve. But thanks anyway.

I thought B.S was the "Trojan Tory"...

Actually, Steve, you've got it backwards. If you can't be bothered to vote, when people in Afghanistan and Iraq are facing possible death just by SHOWING UP, then you have absolutely no right to bitch.

Voters vote, and based on the results, the government is elected. If all you want to do is sit in your LaZBoy and bitch, if you can't get your ass off the couch to vote, even if you "waste" it on an independent or other protest vote, then, in my books, you DEFINITELY do not have the right to bitch. You've abdicated your voice in a democracy. If you can't be bothered to vote, then don't expect me to dry your tears when our "democracy" shows its true colours; a single party state. Here's hoping we actually GET to vote again.

People who don't vote are worse, IMHO, than those those who vote blindly for the same party, year in & year out, regardless of track records.

Revolutions are won by those willing to risk all against those who can't be bothered.

Steve, I think we are all tired and beyond really thinking. If you are not a Liberal, then I misunderstood, so thanks for giving me the motive to state the *case*, and don't bother to take anything I said seriously.

If you look near by, you will find where TB correctly accused me of not spelling Lynyrd Skynyrd properly, but he referred to me as *Doug*.

I made the usual excuses, addressing him as Cerbius, a link in his comment, and then I accused him of naming me Paul. I looked at it and laughed out loud. 73s TG

Candace, you are seriously delusional if you think your vote counts and you live in a democracy. Your vote is an illusion. You don't vote to revolt. You act. Voting isn't a revolutionary act.

By voting, you are contributing to your dream state. If you approve and promote voting you can't complain...that would would be a sore loser.
You agreed to be involved.

A NDP supporting relative of mine told me that there was a "put the boots to Harper" movement afoot in Ontario back in May when the non-confidence votes were being planned. Had a vote actually succeeded, Harper's leadership was in immediate jeopardy. It wasn't just Belinda's defection that was to hurt Harper's conservatives...it's also Clarkish remnant Ontarian conservatives that can never support a Canadian vision that includes a strong voice for the west. So long as Ontario conservatives stand on guard to torpedo the party's chances there never will be another alternative to the Liberals. Maybe that's the way they like it.

In my opinion, the old, Ontario-centric Tories were as deeply bound up in Ottawa's back-room personal power politics as the current Liberals are now, so it's not surprising to find out that old Tories such as "Prominent Toronto Tory" Carol Jamieson would have used Liberal-style dirty tricks against the upstart Alliance, who were seen, after all, as a party of Western outsiders -- and vaguely frightening rubes at that.

But it's a bit of an eye-opener that some of them are still doing a slow burn. In her call today for Harper to step down, Jamieson contended that Harper's first "colossal blunder" was in not treating Belinda and her team, which included Jamieson, with the respect they deserved. In retrospect, Harper's judgement was commendable, because when Stronach later dropped her scruples to her ankles and ran red-faced but happy to the opposite side of the House, she showed that she is all power, and no accountability -- perfectly suited for the Liberals, and the opposite of what a conservative should be.

Harper, on the other hand, is overflowing with accountability, decency, scruples -- all the things one could ever dream of in a conservative politician. Unfortunately for him, and doubly so for the political right in Canada, he became leader at the same time that a circling of the wagons in the MSM had resulted in a virtual Liberal monopoloy on political coverage. He spent year after year being branded, coast to coast, on radio and television, and in newspapers, as a "scary" man. His character has been miscast, and recreated by professional liars. It is unfair, to put it mildly, but it is simply too late for him to be remade as a warm, electable man. In politics, the truth will always lose to "what everybody thinks".

It's time for the Conservatives to trot out a Rona Ambrose or so, and put her in the starting gate and see what happens. What's the worst that could happen -- the Conservatives lose Ontario? The MSM, lazy as they are, would have to start from scratch, at a time when, largely thanks to people like Kate and others in the blogosphere, they will no longer have the advantage that they once did.

I feel a lot of sorrow and a sense of self-injury just for writing this. I will always be a lifelong fan and supporter of Stephen Harper -- he's the kind of guy you could trust with your money, your house and your wife. Watching this thoroughly decent man press on, day after day, fighting the good fight to keep this country on the moral high ground has been both humbling and deeply inspiring.

EBD:

I don't even trust my father & my priest with my money, my house and my wife.

No, you trust them with your heart.

So Harper should step down because he didn't reach out to "all" those Belinda supporters?

If I'm not mistaken Belinda sold out for a liberal cabinet seat.

Now who was it that abandoned who?

EBD,
Switching leaders everytime the MSM and Liberals tell the Conservatives to, is exactly the wrong thing. Why would Conservatives take advice from the Liberals? If they were not worried they would want the Conservatives to keep Harper. Someone with principles, honesty and the real intention of changing things is not what the MSM and politics as usual crowd want.

From a Left Coast perspective Rona Ambrose who? To keep trotting out Ontario and Quebec politicians seems to be more of the same. A rising star she may be but maybe the Conservatives need a stable of rising stars. NOT A SINGLE conservative leader who will change the status quo will be approved by the MSM.

As far as Steve goes, who gives a rats ass. You don't vote so you are part of the problem. I am sick of the whiners who don't vote yet consistently say they don't trust politicians yada yada yada. How many races last time were close? So Steve, go away until you will play.
Enough

Conservatives dump their leaders too quickly (Thatcher for the ever spectacular John Major) and Liberals keep their leaders too long. Obviously the question is 'where is the Liberal Party and why aren't they asking the same questions of their leader'? Is 5% in the polls more important than a leader who has precided over the decline of public health care and watched while Quebec and western alienation have skyrocketed? Jamieson should switch to the Liberals and asks these questions of her new leader.

Last week on CTV's Question Period.
Jane Taber's who's hot and who's not.

1. Hot - Adrienne Clarkson for arrogantly naming a women's hockey cup after herself.
2. Not - Ralph Klein for sticking up for the rights of Albertans to keep their paychecks. AND Craig Oliver said that actually Albertans aren't really hostile to Canada. They just want another Peter Lougheed who will reach out and share with Canada. Wasn't Peter Lougheed one of the flakes who tried to demand that Albertans vote for the Charlottown Accord?

Note to Carol J and her ilk: When Harper goes the party is finished as western Conservatives bail on it like they did on the Mulroney PCs ...is this your intent?

An eastern leadership (PC)controlled federal conservative party will be a depopulated regional rump.

First of all, this Jamieson bitch is not a Conservative. Neither is Joe Who, or Dried-up Orchard. These insects are about as Conservative as Belinda suck-on-daddys-tit Stronach is. The former word conservative has been redefined to actually mean Conservative, rather than Liberal plant.

And who cares what some so-called conservatives think in Ontario. There are plenty of us here who are just as fed up as anyone in the west, if not more so. I for one (born and raised in Toronto), go by the definition of Conservative. I despise Liberals in any of their chameleon disguises.

CPC must decide to call, raise or fold

EDB, I like what you spelled out there. The tarring of Harper in the press. The media gets away with character assasination from what I can tell.
I rmember taking all that in, but I never bought because while I kept looking for hard evidence, [some black mark for reference memory], there is still no nugget of real evidence.

Nice long thread here. Speaking of nuggets..

BlogWorld Overview up date to August/05.

This from James Thesis..yours free..
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A Pew/Internet Study dated January 2005 states that:

• 7% of the 120 million U.S adults who use the Internet say they have created
a Blog or web-based dairy. That represents more than eight million
people.
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Full page over view thumbnail at;
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You can download the full 145 pages or just follow along on James site, one chapter at a time. Enjoy. 73s TG

Harper's integrity and unwillingness to play politics the old-fashioned way is what is throwing off the media and Red Tories. He will not serve up pap for a soundbite on prime time news. If the tories dump him, they're a party I no longer want to have anything to do with. If Bob Rae's head swells as is it is wont to do, he'll have a go for the Liberal leadership, probably win because he's 'connected', and Ontarians, who loathe him, will dump the Liberals to post-Mulroney status. Good piece by Greg Weston in today's Toronto Sun. How Coffin could be a nail in the Liberal party. Now, CTV is announcing a 'judge' is asking for a delay in the release of Gomery I and II in fairness to Chuckie and others going to trial. Weston is saying that if all interested parties plea bargain, nothing will come out at trial, effectively eliminating the last chance for a broad, wide-sweeping scrutiny of Adscam.

Note to Carol J and her ilk: When Harper goes the party is finished as western Conservatives bail on it like they did on the Mulroney PCs ...is this your intent?

Bang on W.L. Mackenzie Redux. The CPC will never gain power without the West. The Liberal party can. Therein lies the difference.

The Parliamentary system in Canada is badly broken. To fix it you must have a leader whose integrity is above reproach and whose values are not for sale. Harper is that man.

The tactics to remove him as leader and discredit him grow more transparent and desperate every day. That tells me he is on the right track. And he has thusfar won every bet he's placed.

I will always fight for the right to NOT vote.

If politicians can not inspire support, thats their problem.

IMHO, Mr. Harper has earned his position and deserves another run.

Oh, and CTV is sorta clueless.

Individual politicians may have to inspire support, but citizens must take responsibility for themselves. Sounds like the wishywashy liberal thinking of government taking care of everyone.
Vote or not but quiet down if you don't participate in the process.
enough

Is the entire CTV network stuck on stupid?

I think they're stuck on being a weak, subsidized, protected company who won't hesitate to stab in back anyone who might expose them to foreign competition.

Isn't it odd that the people in Canada who consider themselves to be the smartest and best, the Toronto elites, are also the ones who are most fearful of testing their skills in the international arena. What losers.

There is no requirement to vote nor should there be.

And no where does it say one must "quiet down" if one does not vote.

There should not be a requirement to vote. Australia has chosen that route and it is silly. Voting is a privilege. If you wish to toss that away then fine by me.

If you will not participate in democracy ie. by voting, then shut up. It is as simple as that. Why waste my time and others with comments/diatribes/rants when they had their chance to make a diference? If someone can not get off their butt and vote why should anyone care enough to listen?
enough

I never said I do not vote.

Are you called "enough" because people get enough of you right away?.

Hehe Trish,
Sorry, did not mean to infer that you do not vote.
I am tired of pople complaining about politicians, the government etc. then saying they didn't vote. Participate or shut up. (not you!)
"enough" is because i have had enough of the Liberals, the socialists, the current state of Canada.
Fair play for those groups to be tired of me.
enough

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What happened to the other post on Carol and Magna?

It is a politicians job to turn out the vote.

If Mr. Harper wants to win he has to get ALL his ducks in a row for election day.

Support and loyalty from his conservative base has to be earned.

IMO, a strong leader will get that support and weak one will not.

Personally, I think Mr. Harper has earned the right to another shot at being PM and I hope he succeeds but he has a very tough row to hoe.

There are back stabbers and fair weather friends all around him.

Makes one realize why it is that President Bush values loyalty so highly.

Peter Loewen: You know how things go in the blogsphere, so many conspiracies, so little time and space.
Sometimes, the facts just get confused.

Yah, have you heard about the conspiracies about ALL the oil companies jacking up the price of gasoline!!! It has nothing to do with increasing input costs or of the costs of generating gasoline. Dan McTeague is in quite a tizzy about those mean old oil company MONOPOLIES.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125576643773_51/?hub=TopStories

Hate to say it, but I'm with Peter. Where's the Carol/Magna stuff? Hope CTV/Liberals didn't send Bruno over to whack your knees, Kate. It would be something they'd do, just because they can. I think we should all take a deep breath. Conservative coffers are overflowing with people who donated to the party, and presumably they know who's leading it. They've also increased membership, again, with the full knowledge of who the leader is. This is all a push by the Libs and their friends to create the appearance of chaos within the ranks. The battle is being won on the ground, on the doorstep and in the blogsphere. Tune out the MSM and life will be sweeter. Can you imagine how bad this story would be if Don Newman and the CBC were on it?

Hey Enough, I got that letter too. I think it's from the Liberals, frankly. They can't shore up the same financial support the Tories have, so they're using Paul Martin's offshore companies to plead for money/investments for whatever cause they espouse today. Don't send money or promise to marry this woman or her daughter, okay? They're probably Liberal, and God knows, we don't need any more of them in this country.

Harper said he would not respond to the dissidents.

"The Conservative leader who wins, the leader who brings Conservatives together and unites them, is a leader who, frankly, ignores such people.

"It is a leader who does not spend his time attacking other Conservatives, it's a leader who spends his time attacking the Liberals and that's what I intend to do.''

Harper said he will win the next election not through the media, but by reaching out to people locally.

The stepped up attacks have added another piece to the puzzle of when that election will come.>>> more
http://www.rapp.org/url/?DXD32MG7
ctv

Damn right this is an attack by Magna and there thieving Liberal friends but you will never see this in the biased media we have in this country today even National Post has this story running no facts checked just another sound bite attacking the only honest party leader in Ottawa.I mean come on people take a good look and what have you got Limousine Jack, Mr. Dithers, and a seperatist. Damn right the left is panicing.

Maz, amazingly, I did a post including the same quotations of Harper, but based on Canoe News. I found evidence of media bias there.

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2005/09/more-manipulative-msm-bias-against.html

As I said, "speed of light"... about the blognet.

Pretty sure that Carol Jamieson is not Nancy Jamieson.
About 10 years older than Nancy who was only 25 when she told Joe that he didn't have the votes. Didn't Nancy Jamieson try to get the nomination in one of the Ottawa ridings during the last election.
I hope Carol Jamieson is more successful with this latest attemp than her rumoured involvement with the Enza Supermodle campaign.
All here...

http://capitalxtra.on.ca/queercapital/cx102/cx102_enza.htm

Here's Carol Jamieson's webpage for her unsuccessful run for Toronto council

www.caroljamieson.com

Vitor reconsidered the Magna post after talking privately to one of the people named. I also talked to him, and after explaining his involvement (or lack thereof) in more detail, I agreed to revisit it.

I invited him to write a brief response, which I offered to post as an update/retraction, but he said he would prefer to have it pulled in its entirety.

Which was fine by me. There was nothing that wasn't factual in the original post - Vitor decided that he'd accept the explanation that the ties were coincidental so he removed it. As my post hadn't been up that long, I chose to delete it, as I hadn't added anything by way of my own commentary.

In the time I've been posting here, that's only the second such deletion of a post - I forget the other. Don't read anything more into it than I just explained.

Sounds like Kate is now in bed with Magna and the Liberals, given her Brisonesque response.

Yup, I'll be waiting by the mailbox for my cheque.

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Perhaps you'll want it written to your ad firm. :)

Peter