"terrorist lists out dated"--not to worry--with the RCMP and CSIS getting permission to track our emails and cellphones the list will soon be full again--updated with the names of Canadians who are not Liberals. That seems to be the only people this government thinks are 'terrorists'--those that speak against the incompetence of them as 'leaders'!

George. I know you probably made that statement with tongue in cheek, but you are dead on right. First, think about those powerful figures and multi-national corporations that are behind the Liberal Party of Canada and who want to exert control over the citizens of Canada. Now think about how dangerous an informed and armed citizenry is to them. To the Liberal Party of Canada these people are indeed terrorists. That's all of us on the right, who never vote Liberal.

The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling. I believe that in Canada the Liberal Party is their front and assists them in implementing their programs. My opinion anyway...

Tra La La La .... nothing to worry about. The Righties as nuts. Everyone knows we Canadians are just too darn nice for anyone to want to hurt us. Nitwit neo cons. Tra La La La. Lord but I love the daisies and Ann McLellan.

"We're not armed, we're not going to be a target," said Jean-Pierre Fortin.

Ahh, the dreams of Mike Al Moor come true: A land where you have no presonal responsibility, no guns, no courage, no principles, no right, no wrong...

CANUCKISTAN!

Ripe for the taking (Jihadists make note).

"we're not armed, we're not going to be a target"

Well well well now little soggy knickers, now you know exactly what it's like being a civilian living in range of Jane and Finch....or a passenger on a "secure" jet.

Disarmed civilians have been dying by the score to prove the Liberal government's flower child theories about armed criminals...why wouldn't this policy be particularly primary to their employees?

"Gordon adds..Canada must recognize "that we are at war" and "invoke a type of war measures act in which we would accept some temporary suspension of civil rights, as opposed to more permanent suspension of civil rights that comes with terrorist bombings,­ death and the loss of freedom."

I would never give up our freedoms to a world envisioned by the CDC. Have you read their forums? A place for dangerous idiots and racists.

"Force always attracts those of low morality."
-- Albert Einstein

Unfortunately, Canada has not learned from history. Nine billion dollars for what, exactly? I'd love to know.

Canada will almost certainly repeat history. It's only a matter of when.

Hopefully, the current regime in Ottawa will very soon, deservedly, fall and be replaced with the Conservatives, who obviously care about the threats facing Canada and will take many more needed measures to help prevent and at least be ready to deal with terrorist attacks with coordination and speed the likes of which we would never see under the Liberal regime.

National security - protecting the integrity of a nation's interior boundaries from invaders and attackers - is perhaps the most fundamental and basic function of any government.

Since 1867, Canadian soil has not been invaded or attacked by Americans, even with the very lightly monitored border.

Since 1867, European nations such as Belgium, Holland, Norway, Poland and France have learned the very painful reality that national security is a "do or die" proposition for their peoples.

It seems that the current generation of Liberal Party leaders are unbelievably naieve about the concept of national security. It's also possible that the current Liberal Party leaders have "hidden agenda" reasons for their weakness on national security - including their recent announcements of increased nuclear-technology collaboration with China. What might the "hidden agenda" be?

How I'd like to have one of those high-muckymuck Liberals AND Wonder Woman's magic lasso right now, the one that makes anyone encircled by it tell the truth.

"So Paul, what the @#@! do you hope to achieve that can only be brought on by the physical and moral disarmament of every Canadian and what's this deal with China, anyway??

I'm confused. We want every law enforcement official armed, but we're concerned about law enforcement officers...

How about this... No law enforcement offcier can be armed beyond what I, a private citizen, can be armed.

If the cops can carry a .45, I can too,

When the greatest threat to the safety and security of the citizens of Canada are OUR OWN GOVERNMENT, it becomes perfectly understandable why their priority is to disarm the citizens.
(This would also explain why this same government continues to shovel dangerous people into this country, then permits them to remain here and run around on the loose!)
The police- here in Toronto- are now looking for a fifteen year old and a sixteen year old, who are responsible for the two latest murders in Toronto. The public is not permitted to know who these kids are, nor what they look like, thanks to the 'Young Offenders Act'!
Well, DUH!

Nine billion dollars buys a lot of adscammers!

John C.
I agree with you that in order to understand why this country is in such a state you have to look beyond the Liberal Party to those who ae pulling the strings in the back rooms.

However, the "terrorists" of whom you speak are not the exclusive property of the "right". I would venture to say there are many liberal-minded people out there who cannot stomach the Liberals in power.

Now, if you could harness the energy in both camps that would be a force to reckon with.

While our border guards refused to man their posts, the Queen's Cowboys in this neck of the woods (Kelowna, B.C.) were busy protecting us as evidenced in this newspaper story:

"John Hannah was arrested as he protested against soaring gas prices last week. An RCMP officer arrested the 71-year-old Gelnrosa man as he held a sign criticizing the oil companies for jacking up gas prices in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina." (Penticton Herald, 10/09/05)

Thank God the RCMP were being vigilant. I can sleep well knowing this dangerous terrorist has been dealt with.

JHPennington, Can that be the full story? Was he obstructing traffic?

The last I heard it was a civil right to walk on a public sidewalk? Freedom of expression and all that stuff.
John Hannah is a real man. Unlike most of us who are sitting back having a drink and watching TV.

Guess I'll drive two blocks to the 7/11 and pick up a 2-litre bottle of gingerale.

Hannah, what a guy! 73s TG

John Crittenden said:"Now think about how dangerous an informed and armed citizenry is to them. To the Liberal Party of Canada these people are indeed terrorists. That's all of us on the right, who never vote Liberal."

You know what John? If you bear this in mind while you read the wording of the Liberals so-called "terrorist act" you can see how it can be interpreted as a draconian law with dual meanings which can be "turned on" by an SCC decree which could give the goverment carte blanche latitude to define "terrorists" as anyone who disagrees with the government. As you read the fuzzy feel-good lexicology in C-36 you see the liberal public policy engineering (multicult,enforcement of the single party socialist secular state defined "values" and prosecution under the ever expanding definition of "hate crimes") emerge as the "thing" that the act's open powers for police were created to protect.

The preamble defines terrorism as a "hate" crime...that seems innocuous enough until you read later in the act that: " political, religious or ideological beliefs " can be defined as terrorism if "hate" is determined to be a factor in the expression of these things!?!!??
Now this may not because for concern until we see later in the legilation that a new concept in the 800 year old british rule of law has been intorduced and defined as "Preventative arrest".

Now for those of you who have openly stated you "hate" the liberals you should take care of your phone and internet communications.

I invite everyone to read the terroist law...tell me this isn't enabling legislation to repress political/ideological/religious dissent towards government. The most chilling thing in the law's concepts and wording is the fact that this law was obviously created to protect government...citizens being protected from terroist acts is secondary to the single party state protecting the mechanism and pecking order of its regime.

So what have we got in Canada's Liberal party Terrorist act? Well:

A law that defines terrorism as having religious, political or ideological "hate" of the state defined values of the liberal creed. We further see that once you have expressed "hatred" in this respect you needn't be tossing bombs or hurt anyone to be put under surveillance or possibly "preventative arrest". Now these things COULD be defined this way and they COULD happen as a result of poor/bad/malicious interpretations of the loose legal constructs and cryptic language in this act....However, it is a fact of history that if a law is written badly which is open to abuse, eventually it will be abused by its enforcers.

Now, add to this "Terrorist law" the dormant legislated powers placed in the liberal's civilian gun control act...which is enabling ( but dormant) legislation that has the legal ability to confiscate every firearm in civilian hands with the stroke of a pen and no debate in parliament, and has carte blanche police search powers to find guns and jail those with guns which have recently been outlawed by Order in council. Here you have a complimentary set of despotic acts that are on the books which essentially, empower the police state. All that is needed is to fully enforce them under the interpretations the government deems "neccessary" for our "safety".

Welcome the nightmare of Orwell and Huxley...I hope you can read these two acts over the snoring of the Canadian public.

Senator Kenny is the exception that proves the rule about Liberal sleaziness and incompetence.

stop immigration

and you

stop terrorism

Course we cant look at the real root cause...

We're hopeless

Putney's Rule--In a democracy, the people, if allowed to do so, will vote away the freedoms that are allowed by the same democracy!
WLM and John C--thank you for saying what has to be said! To all those who state that "if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear"--I always ask them to define 'wrong'!! Then I tell them what is written--that anything can be 'read into' C36 to become a 'wrong'.

Former [Liberal defence minister, a la Trudeau] cabinet minister Paul Hellyer takes up the cause of believers in UFOs

JOHN WARD

OTTAWA (CP) - Paul Hellyer, onetime cabinet minister and a political chameleon who went through Liberal and Tory colours before founding two political parties of his own, has a new cause - UFOs.

Hellyer is to be a featured speaker at a UFO conference in Toronto later this month and organizers are making much of his credentials as a former defence minister in the Pearson administration 40 years ago.

Skeptics are, well, skeptical.

The 82-year-old Hellyer says he believes not only that UFOs are extraterrestrial visitors, but that some governments - the United States at least - know all about it and are covering up.>>> more
link from newsbeat1>>> MacLeans mag>>>

(Original quote: Beam you up, Paul!)

WLM;

Not a far-fetched scenario by any means. Look at the proposal that is apparently coming that would allow police access to all traffic at an ISP without prior judicial approval. Of course the government says it needs the power to combat organized crime and terrorists. However, who is to say the police/government would not resort to those powers if you became a particularly troublesome burr under their saddle.

My problem with these pieces of legislation is that while no one argues with their stated purpose, it is very tempting for authority to use them for other purposes. In the U.S., authorities used the anti-terrorism legislation to prosecute the Beltway Sniper case. And here in Canada, the Duplessis government in Quebec routinely harassed Jevoah's Witnesses and when a fellow named Roncarelli routinely bailed them out (by the way he was not a Witness but merely someone who saw the injustice in what was being done) the government shut his business down until the SCC said they were wrong. In 1970 the mayor of Vancouver used the War Measures Act to rid Stanley Park of hippies.

So you're right. It can happen here. It has before and history has a nasty way of repeating itself.

Hey Maz: I thought Hellyer was involved with some whackey ultra left paranoid conspiracy party called Canada action party.

I ran across a couple of their net surfing executives in my chat room and blogging history....quite the bunch of nuts. Paranoid but in a bad way....left wing Paranoia, which is dangerous...kinda like communism tring to function with a barbiturate addiction.

Paranoia is a good thing if you can focus it rationally and factually....rational paranoia is the feeling that tells you to put on your seat belt or buy fire/disaster insurance....or that all government is naturally inclined lie, rob and control you if you don't watch them closely and hold them accountable.

Moonbat paranoia (such as Hellyer and the nuts in his party) is the feeling that tells you you have more to fear from little green men from space ( or Christians) than your statist socialist government...this is an Moonbat hypothesis made in a welfare nation run by the mafia.

JH Pennington said: " Not a far-fetched scenario by any means. Look at the proposal that is apparently coming that would allow police access to all traffic at an ISP without prior judicial approval. Of course the government says it needs the power to combat organized crime and terrorists"

Yes, another draconian and loosly defined law that could potentially restrict all free e-speech except that aligned with "permitted, state decreed values"...this would dovetail nicely into the anti terrorist scam. I see a day very soon when we will have to encrypt all communications we do not want big brother moderating....however I see the rumblings of the leviathan's paranoia at having a population which is free to communicate beyond their ability to eavesdrop....we see there was some talk of outlawing encryption software as a restricted or prohibited weapon.

Don't ever tell me that there is not tyrant's robes hidden under the nanny state's skirts.

'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded and once they are suspended it is not difficult for anyone who has assumed such emergency powers to see to it that the emergency will persist." - F.A. Hayek

WLM and JH:
RE: Terrorism legislation, gun control, and the Liberal governments...
Bingo! again. Thank you for posting how you view these connections. I happen to also be very concerned, for the same reasons. And your "snoring Canadians" comment is also bang-on, and reflects my experiences when discussing these issues within my circle of family and friends.
At the risk of appearing paranoid by spinning wild-sounding conspiracy theories, factor in the UN world-wide push for control of small arms. Ostensibly for the purpose of saving lives where the rule of law has collapsed, why are these policies finding life in so many "free" law-abiding countries first? (England, Australia, etc.) Why is legislation like C-68 so desperately important that it must be implemented, at any cost, with no verifiable benefit in public safety, and even at significant political cost to the Liberals?
There are too many coincidental attacks on liberty here for me.
Watch if some form of control starts to appear over blogs like Kate's. At that point, all thoughts of "coincidence" should disappear from our minds.
Kate- write down all our addresses and hide them in a safe place. We all may find ourselves fomenting revolution around a flickering candle one day soon...;)

Why the mystery as to whom/what/where/who/when/why AdScam Martin is praying?

AdScam Martin is praying to Judge Gomery Inquiry.
AdScam Martin has been granted his wish/request/prayer request. What is the quid pro quo? Senate seat/Supreme Court seat, & etc.???
The Librano$ cartel is a dictatorship. more>>>

Gomery's delay to push back elections
National Post - 1 hour ago
OTTAWA -- Justice John Gomery's final report on the sponsorship inquiry will be delayed from its due date of December 15 to six weeks later on February 1, pushing back federal elections. Prime Minister Martin ...
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Paul (not a good name) Hellyer had a very fine baritone singing voice as was said by fellow congregants in his own church. (Hello, muddah, hello faddah in heaven.. whose song was that?)
When Hell was finished with armed forces "unification", there were galaxies of little green men/women at Nat. Def. HQ,/Force Canada, Ottawa & CFB/BFC Petawawa, & etc.
Hellyer's motto now is: We're on our way to the stars.
Hope ET will weigh in on this sci-fi stuff. Some is good fantasy; the rest is plagiarism/ me can write that stuff, too.

Long thread? Pressed for time? You must read WL Mackenzie Redux 9:43... about 16 comments down.

The Liberal Government Terrorist Act does seem to be the Liberal Govt. self preservation act.

Nicely fleshed by WLM Redux. See how well it fits with: 6000 Bureaucrats sworn to LIFETIME secrecy oath in 14 government departments.

Then just above.. 12:21 Maz2 points to Gomery Report delayed to February "06... Nat. Post.
Though not the Terrorist act, it is still more Liberal self preservation.

What's next. In the act, Is there any mention of Liberal apointees walking our neighbourhoods soon, with armbands. OK, OK...so that's stretching it, but when is all this Liberal fortress building going to stop? 73s TG

"Nor are they equipped with chase vehicles. As a result, about 1500 vehicles "blew across the border" last year with impunity, as the only recourse for Customs officials is to place a call to the nearest RCMP detachment - which in many parts of the country, are being closed."

Wonder how many of those 1500 vehicles contained drugs and handguns, which won't show up on ANY registry?
What a country...

They will however appear on the Toronto and national news, in an early morning altercation near you..stay tuned!

Is lying a contagious human trait: spread from mouth-to-mouth; lip-to-lip; ear-to-ear; akin to AIDS, SARS, & etc.?
Did witnesses at the Gomery Inquiry spread lies?>>>

T.O. judge decries greed, lies in MFP scandal

MFP report

Canadian Press

Updated: Mon. Sep. 12 2005 12:33 PM ET

TORONTO — A judge who probed a computer-leasing scandal at Toronto City Hall has blasted those involved for disgraceful greed, lies and mismanagement.

In her final report, Justice Denise Bellamy concluded the city's once powerful budget chief, Tom Jakobek, had lied like "Pinocchio'' about a cash payoff he received from an MFP salesman.

That salesman was one-time hairdresser Dash Domi -- older brother of Maple Leafs tough guy Tie Domi.

Dash Domi received more than $1.2 million for nailing the computer lease.

The inquiry heard evidence that he wined and dined Wanda Liczyk, the city's former treasurer.

Bellamy faulted Liczyk for carrying on a two-year relationship with a man who designed software for Toronto, as well as for her role in key changes to the MFP lease.

Bellamy was particularly scathing about some of those who testified.

"A small number of witnesses engaged in a bold pattern of strategic lying,'' said Bellamy.

"Some of the liars forced the inquiry to spend hundreds of hours and countless taxpayers' dollars to expose the lies.'>>> more
http://www.rapp.org/url/?HU63IILQ
ctv

TonyGuitar said: "Nicely fleshed by WLM Redux. See how well it fits with: 6000 Bureaucrats sworn to LIFETIME secrecy oath in 14 government departments."

All I express is a (sometimes) longer expanded version of my basic catagorization of All government, All politicians and Bureaucrats and ALL public policy. The questions we must ask to keep ourselves at liberty in a free nation is simple:

Is this a government/politician/policy which will expand my individual freedom or will it/they restrict my individual freedom?

This is the ONLY thing that matters to me where government/politics are concerned.

Thanks Tony and good catch with the enabling laws for the "secret government"...proof we're about as far from an "open" democracy as a corrupt Banana Republic with a lot of secrets to keep from the public.

Hoping it's not too far O/T, in a nutshell, the discussion above reminds me of the election gag law with its spending restrictions on our freedom of democratic expression (guaranteed by PET's Charter but ignored by the syncophantic SCOC).

To get around it, we can use the newfound power of the blogosphere, got that? This coming election, together we must form a blognet to catch all kinds of pro-Lib/anti-Tory dishonesty and expose them to the spotlight of truth.

What does it cost, anyway? The price of the connection, electricity, what? It's great leverage, right?

I pledge to do my part to stand on guard for thee. http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com

"Is this a government/politician/policy which will expand my individual freedom or will it/they restrict my individual freedom?
WLM Redux has got it in a nutshell. Well done. A short synopsis of great philosophical concepts is usually suspect, but this one is good.
The next question that should come to mind is:
"What percentage of the population sees things that way?"
The answer to that question is where our future lies.
Thoughts?

Mad Mike

Thinking forward? Yes, some of us are. Right here we have:-

The Canadian Sentinel: * This coming election, we must form a Blognet.* to expose dishonesty; to spotlight the truth.

Mad Mike: Pick's up on WLM Redux's note of principle; Does government help or stifle our personal freedoms?

Form a Blognet? Bring clear view to more population? To do things concrete?

These bloggers and more, want to advance, to gain ground / influence.

Our spokesperson, Kate, is advancing our presence, awakening more Canadians . Quite a bit on one person's shoulders. Some of us who can afford it should send her a 20 folded in paper in an envelope for gas or whatever.

I've been thinking about how to concentrate our collective power. Maybe there's an idea or two. Some of you reading this know how to advance a cause better than I do.

It will not be easy. Consider how little MSM space, say, Democracy Watch gets and Doug Conicher [spel?] seems a solid debater / speaker.

We have an ace card though. We have a newness, a promise of giving a voice to individuals and there are millions who only need to discover blogs to join in with gusto. There is growth ahead. There will be a whirlwind when *events* similar to breaking the screcy attempt on Gomery findings happen. That was great Blogosphere publicity, though short lived. 73s TG

It's Duff Conacher, I believe. I have a couple of workable ideas that'll leverage the blognet's power in the next election within the confines of the law as it stands today.

Pressed for time now, so keep an eye on my site. I'll be posting an idea or two perhaps late in the day.

Meantime, floor it, Tony, and enjoy that exhilirating big Yankee-eight torque shoving you forward...