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September 7, 2005

Fact Checking The Globe And Mail Updated


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Update - Stephen Taylor (who has never sent me down a wrong alley before) was burned on this one and offers apologies and background. Questions about the accuracy of his post were first raised by readers at Angry At The Great White North, (where Steve has also posted an retraction and additional thoughts). Instead of quoting either one, I'll suggest you go read what they have to say.

I join them in extending my apologies to Carol Jamieson, Brian Laghi and Gloria Galloway.

To Stephen's "source" - whether your misinformation was intentional or not, my advice to you is the same as theirs - violate our trust at your peril. The blogosphere is an interactive media that does not move information in a one-way channel, in the way that traditional media does. The material you send is served up for commentary, verification, contradiction, feedback and when necessary, retraction.

Thus, feeding us politically-motivated misinformation is a very dangerous prospect - our correction protocols are quite unlike the mainstream media which protects erronious sources and misreporting by issuing little paragraphs in the back pages. Corrections on the blogosphere are - as you will have probably realized by now - quite capable of becoming bigger and more interesting than the original post.

If an independant "mea culpa" from the original source isn't forthcoming, don't be surprised if there's more digging into this one.

Posted by Kate at September 7, 2005 4:12 PM
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Comments

I'm going to be careful this time in case it's another of those wonderful mind-messings... fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me, right? :-)

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 4:15 PM

Ah, yes. This time you didn't fool me. The "screen shot" is yours, Kate. The "Grab and Fail" didn't own up to its error, did it?

Perhaps it's not an innocent error. Perhaps it's of the ilk of the famous Rathergate affair? Betcha Libranoapparatchiks Laghi and Galloway will be unapologetic. I've watched Laghi before, I believe it was on "Politics" and "Question Period" and had no trouble detecting his anti-Conservative bias. I would hope he and Gloria would repent, but I hold not my breath.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 4:28 PM

Jamieson is a director for the EDA in Etobicoke Lakeshore. It took me 10 seconds to find that on Google. And you can say that's not an important position, and doesn't qualify as an organizer, but another director is John Capobianco, and he's quoted as an organizer all the time.

Anyway, Galloway's not a good journalist. She's as bad as fact checking as most bloggers, in fact.

Posted by: Peter Loewen at September 7, 2005 4:58 PM

Old page. People who aren't members of the party can't be EDA directors.

Posted by: biff at September 7, 2005 5:02 PM

The Mop & Pail? Subject to swill. Switch to National Post not perfect, but better. '3s TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at September 7, 2005 5:18 PM

That page was updated this spring.

Try again.

Posted by: wonderdog at September 7, 2005 5:19 PM

Kate and Stephen McAllister,
You just gotta go to "Comments Please" and check out Radwanski's latest piece... especially comments from our good friend "DON".

Posted by: old squid at September 7, 2005 5:22 PM

Peter, I, too, found on the ELEDA that Carol Jamieson is listed as the director of that EDA.

BUT did you notice that on the EDA website, the information is outdated; it refers to the CPC's "interim policy document" and alludes to the upcoming convention of last March.

Maybe you have seen updated proof that she's as you claim, but here's where I looked:

http://www.etobicokelakeshore.ca/About%20Us.html

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 5:27 PM

Old Squid, what's the URL for "Comments Please"? I'm unfamiliar with that site.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 5:28 PM

Peter, am unable to find any evidence that Carol Jamieson is even currently a member of the CPC. Besides, so what if she has the opinion as given by Laghi and Galloway? So what? After all, all kinds of current Liberals criticize the party and its leader, yet these "journalists" don't have any record I can recall of using those Liberal members in their articles on the Libs. Certainly I don't remember them trying to make the Libs look bad.

What link, if a different one from the one I provided, did you see proving Jamieson is currently a Tory, and in good standing? I'd appreciate its provision, thanx.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 5:37 PM

Wait. Now I understand what Biff said about "old page". Guess I'm not that quick, after all.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 5:38 PM

Mr. McAllister,
Sorry I can't provide you with the requested URL but if you Google "Comments Please" you'll find it.

Posted by: old squid at September 7, 2005 5:40 PM

Mr. McAllister,
Oops! Too much on Google. Try this:
www.commentsplease.com/collection/client/
index.cfm

Posted by: old squid at September 7, 2005 5:46 PM

Ok, I'll try again. It's proving a little hard. Anyone else know the URL, just in case my fishing trip sends me home empty-handed and embarrassed?

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 5:48 PM

Ah, thanks, Old Squid! I'll now go and see what all the hubbub is about, bub...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 5:49 PM

Oh, my God! Warren Kinsella (and with the ignominious Barney doll I've criticized him for), Paul Wells (the hit-and-run sarcasm artist who showed up on SDA without the 'nads to stay and justify his moonbattery), Rick Mercer (I needn't say anything about that Paulie syncophant who loves his checks from the taxpayer for all kinds of moonbattery)...

Now I'll go see what they're talking about and maybe say something too...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 5:55 PM

Old Squid, I gave them my two cents. If anyone else wishes to see what I said about Don, plus Paul Wells, go to:

http://www.commentsplease.com/collection/client/

And click on the comments thread link for Adam Radwanski's "Episode #368 of Stephen Harper vs. the World".

Don asked for it. He was saying mean stuff about me behind my back. Reminded me of some kind of elementary-school rivalry. Betcha he'll be "off to the lake" again...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 7:11 PM

Peter L., are you still there? Am waiting for proof...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 7:12 PM

Canadian Press, aka Communist Press, does not ask the question; "Who would vote for an "off-guard" party?" Which party looks like a bunch of jerks, incompetents/sillies/fools $ etc.?

Notice Canadian Press says "Harper's MPs"; they are not Harper's MPs. Harper does not own them.

Notice Canadian Press says "Liberals"; not Martin's Liberals.
Subtle propaganda/cunning deployment of words/negative Harper & positive Liberals/ & etc.

Notice the words: "trigger an unwanted election"..Unwanted by whom? AdScam Martin, of course.
This is propaganda/spin/manipulation by the Canadian Press, aka AdScam Martin's socialist regime's trumpeteer.

Canadian Press is indeed the Librano$$$$$$$$$$$ mouthpiece.

Compare these "story" headlines: any other questions to be implanted in the Can sheep's heads?>>>>

Harper's MPs caught offguard
HALIFAX (CP) - Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's call for an immediate general election caught some in his own party offguard at a national caucus meeting Wednesday. Full Story

Liberals to avoid confidence measures that could trigger election
OTTAWA (CP) - The Liberals are leaning against introducing confidence measures in the House of Commons this fall that could trigger an unwanted federal election, sources said Wednesday...
canoenerws

Posted by: maz2 at September 7, 2005 7:20 PM

That place is disgusting taxpayer funded lesbian Xmas cards sent out by Don, Worn, Gillies Dushep; Ack laydon, Parl Carrish & etc. & Red_green, too, also. Never find that its's taxpayer funds: what will GiGi think when the expose on SDA hits the airwaves??? The suspense is killing>>>> What has jean lafonde been up to? A weekeend with Pierre Pettigrewsomehair in Paree?>> Sacre bleu/rouge.>>


Having seen many of Mr. Halifax's various posts one can only picture an unclean room, a kerosene lamp, a computer with a cleft-palated malignant dwarf with a hard-on against humanity eargerly punching the computer keys with his toes.
Posted By Don / Posted At 9/7/05 9:15 AM

Having seen your posts, Don, one pictures spaghetti stained paper bags of stolen government money, some stuffed referendum ballot boxes, and a fithy cot where immigration visas for hook...strip...campaign wokers are processed.
Posted By MSFan / Posted At 9/7/05 9:27 AM

Posted by: maz2 at September 7, 2005 7:29 PM

Maz2, don't forget that Don also said on "Comments Please":

"You mean the guy that goes into demonic rants whenever Kate posts an "altered" piece because he's slavishly willing to believe any kind of hooey? Yeah, McAllister, the Moonbat King.
Posted By Don / Posted At 9/7/05 2:18 PM"

When he thought he was safely out of my reach. Funny he calls ME a moonbat. Very funny. Look who's talking.

BTW, I'm not slavishly willing to believe the hooey coming from the Libmob and their mouthpieces in the MSM...

Don can't understand, btw, that nobody's perfect, except, of course, Libranos like him...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 8:21 PM

Besides, look at the first comment at the very top of the thread in which I was careful not to automatically fall for the mindprank, as I learned to watch for...

How humanistic, that Don, that purportedly compassionate "Liberal", suggesting I'm of lesser intellect than he... the once-blessed Liberal, currently on the outs...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 8:28 PM

Let's all read about Candyman Martin, aka AdScam Martin, aka CSL Captain Martin & his palsy Maurice Strong & the cash from Saddam & more: Prime Minister Paul Martin, Jr. on the take from Saddam? Where is Jean Chretien now? Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Excerpt:
Among the cast of characters in the complex scheme were Tongsun Park, a South Korean who played a central role in a 1970s Washington influence peddling scandal, and Iraqi-American oilman Samir Vincent, both of whom have been charged with federal crimes in connection with the oil-for-food program.

Also involved were Canadian businessman and longtime U.N. aide Maurice Strong and Cordex Petroleums Inc., a now-bankrupt Canadian oil company whose major investors included Strong's son Frederick and CSL Group Inc., a holding company owned by Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The findings came out of Volcker's year-long investigation into corruption and mismanagement in the $64-billion humanitarian aid program, which began in 1996 and was shut down in 2003 after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.>>>>
Reuters: http://www.rapp.org/url/?H43833QM

Posted by: maz2 at September 7, 2005 10:06 PM

A new slogan for the G & M?

"The Globe & Mail...Mistakes are Bound to Happen"

Posted by: DoubtingThomas at September 8, 2005 1:45 AM

Coffee boy! Get me a double latte! Pronto!

Posted by: Don at September 8, 2005 11:04 AM

Don't you just love the narrow parochial views of the TO based "national" media? G&M epitomizes it.

The messages in the multitude of these little partisan planted items , misquotes, misrepresentations and openly biased scribblings are obvious to westerners.

The mop and pail mimics the attitude of the insular, central elite ruling class and their political machine.....the messages we get from their decades long MSM misinformation campaign against western political movements (Reform, CA/CPC) and western political leaders is, specifically :

1) The status Quo political order which now exists in TO, Montreal and Ottawa (oligarchial central control of the national political/economic agenda) will do anything to resist change. Nothing is too immoral, perverse, illegal, or unconstitutional where preserving the current de facto single party state and its publicly indoctrinated dogma is concerned. Westerners, conservatives, confederalists,constitutionalists and other free thinking dissenters to the single party order, must be publicly ostracized/stigmatized and politically marginalized.

2) Western politics/politicians/parties or political movements promoting democratic accountability and open government process in the federal system are the antithesis of the established single party cabal and must be relegated to political estrangement and public ridicule...Their agenda for demoracy and confederal equity must be eclipsed by associating them with sinister motives. This must be done by a long term media campain of slanderous innuendo and unsubstantiated rumor.

3)No western leader or political party (unconnected to the established liberal-corporate patronage order) will ever be allowed to govern Canada...this will become evident when the CPC follows MSM orders and removes Harper for an eastern "progressive" ( read:liberal) leader...once the party has been sold out to the central corporate-political patronage order, they will miraculously become "acceptable" by the MSM.

This message from the central Canadian MSM is quite clear to westerners and particularly Albertans. The harder co-opted disinformation whores like the G&M attemt to crush the movement towards federal accountable democracy and support the degeneracy of the single party state oligarchy, the more western mainstream voters see separation or refederation or firewall politics as a viable option to Eastern political belligerency.

Keep it up GTA MSM...you make a 1000 western separatists a day.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at September 8, 2005 11:49 AM

Sorry, Don, no latte for you today. Your friends the truckers refuse to deliver the raw coffee beans. Hell, they won't deliver pretty much anything to anyone. Thanks to your fellow moonies, the whole province is pretty much out of everything. Could lawsuits be in the offing? I would hope so. Suing the truckers for breach of contract could help make them think twice in the future about "striking".

BTW, I'm sure that if GG Clarkson likes my coffee and Mary Walsh loves my 'cinos, then a double latte'll getcher rocks off, man. You're lucky to get served. The boss would probably get mad if I refused to serve moonbats... just kidding.

Gotta get back to the daily grind as long as there's still something to grind... ;-)

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 8, 2005 1:21 PM

I guess we'll find out tonight when Carol Jamieson and the rest of the current Etobicoke-Lakeshore board meets. I'll look for the correction tomorrow -- not in the Globe, but here and on Angry's site and Stephen Taylor's site.

Posted by: Eddie at September 8, 2005 2:55 PM

Well, it looks like I won't have to wait until tomorrow for Angry's retraction...

Posted by: Eddie at September 8, 2005 4:36 PM

McAllister! Fooled again! Perhaps you would like to regale the folks here with a rant on "Modern Polling Theory" now that we've laughed your ass off of "Comments Please." I think your weird and warped conspiracy fears will find an eager audiance here.

P.S. Make sure that tin foil hat is firmly on your head. Make sure the bedroom lights are on. Pray for dawn.

Posted by: Don at September 8, 2005 5:32 PM

Eddie - I've been aware of the developments for a couple of hours - I was waiting for Stephen and Angry to post, before updating my own, as my original linked back to theirs.

Posted by: Kate at September 8, 2005 6:00 PM

Heh, heh, Don...

Speak for thyself. We don't wear tinfoil hats around here. Anyone wear a tinfoil hat? Didn't think so. You, on the other hand, do wear an asshat.

If you think I was laughed off of CommentsPlease, well, hey, it's ok to have fantasies... hmm... wonder how you and Meaghan Walker Williams are getting on lately? Betcha you love her gargantuan, feminine arms that dwarf even mine...

Seriously, we all make mistakes, as I assured Mr. Taylor in his comments section. I know I have, and am not afraid to admit it, am I? Sometimes I need to have it pointed out to me, as I do have to work on that pesky self-discipline thing. Kate's helpful enough to crack the whip if necessary. :-)

Too bad most Liberals and MSM elites will not demonstrate much integrity nor humility. That's why I sometimes rip into them with passionate abandon...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 8, 2005 7:17 PM

And, Kate, don't lose too much sleep over an honest, human mistake.

After all, put it in perspective wrt what Paul Martin is doing to the country... on purpose. Know what I mean?

At least you have integrity and humility.

Paulie just has power. He must feel so empty. Poor ole Paulie.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 8, 2005 7:23 PM

You know what? That partisan combat with Don wasn't all that fulfilling as I thought it would be...

Maybe I'm growing up a little more? There's got to be better ways to obliberate the Liberal Party of Canada.

Time for greater focus...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 8, 2005 8:01 PM

I don't know who Don is, but he is reasonably humble with his victory and has a sense of humour.

Stephen takes it like a realist. I like the atmosphere here. No charging with broken beer bottles.... well hardly any. '3s TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at September 8, 2005 10:41 PM

Well, what do you know? The CTV just had to apologize for wrongly reporting that Lucien Bouchard was dead. See?

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/09/08/CTV_apology_bouchard20050908.html

See? Everyone has these brainfarts...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 9, 2005 5:07 AM

Rathergate: One Year On

One year ago tonight the Rathergate scandal broke, as CBS News and Dan Rather used obviously faked documents to try to influence the course of a presidential election—and got caught red-handed.

Here’s our CBS Killian Document Index, telling the story of LGF’s part in exposing this MSM episode of infamy, as it happened.

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littlegreenfootballs

Posted by: maz2 at September 9, 2005 5:37 AM

Whats the problem?

Its not like the MSM doesn't do it.

The reason his contention was accepted so readily was because we have seen this crap so often before.

I'm willing to let it go this time, he did something that the MSM is prone not to do, say they where wrong.

Posted by: gimbol at September 9, 2005 6:40 AM

September 09, 2004
The sixty-first minute

Today's big Boston Globe story on President Bush's Air National Guard service is based on memos to file from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian: "Bid cited to boost Bush in Guard."
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/007760.php#007760

"I'm going to be careful this time in case it's another of those wonderful mind-messings... fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me, right? :-)
Posted by Stephen McAllister at September 7, 2005 04:15 PM"

Posted by: maz2 at September 9, 2005 9:59 AM

Mike Duffy is >>>>>>>>>>>>> r-e-d.>>>>>

Bouchard's not dead yet
By SUN MEDIA


Lucien Bouchard. (Photo: Canadian Press)

A stalwart Quebec separatist was pronounced dead before being revived moments later.

CTV Newsnet interrupted its regular news coverage just before 2 p.m. yesterday with a "Breaking News" logo. Anchor Kate Wheeler, citing a Radio-Canada report, announced that former Quebec premier and Bloc Quebecois leader Lucien Bouchard had died.

Veteran broadcaster Mike Duffy began to chronicle Bouchard's political past, then quickly corrected the error after Bouchard's law office called to say he was alive and well -- and even at work that day.

Posted by: maz2 at September 9, 2005 11:50 AM

Jeez, I don't know what's become of the Duff. Not too long ago I thought he was one of the finest political reporters. Maybe money did something to him...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at September 9, 2005 10:22 PM

No mea culpa from the original source yet. How's the digging going? Not very well I'd guess since not one of you seems to have picked up a shovel. Well, I suppose Stephen and Angry may have used one to dig the hole the coward is hiding in.

Posted by: Eddie at September 10, 2005 3:32 AM

I don't, and never did have access to Stephen's source, so it's a little hard for me to "dig" from here.


Posted by: Kate at September 10, 2005 2:55 PM
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