August 25, 2005

Marc Emery, Still An Idiot

"Prince of Pot" Marc Emery addresses the controversy swirling around his "jailhouse blog" remarks directed at Justice Minister Irwin Cotler*;

In one diary entry, I refer to Irwin Cotler as a Nazi Jew or Jewish Nazi. This has had some people very distracted. I want to explain these remarks and the circumstances under which these diaries are written.

When you are in jail for behaving peacefully and honestly, as I always have, it's very legitimate and rather predictable to resent the authority that has put you there. Jail is no place for peaceful, honest citizens who behaviour has harmed or threatened no one. Who is the Attorney-General of Canada? Irwin Cotler. He is the chief political officer of the prohibition, of the courts, and he is directly responsible for any Canadian who is incarcerated under his watch as Justice Minister.

So Irwin Cotler has done this to me, make no mistake.

So at one point in my jailhouse ruminations, I use the term Nazi Jew and Jewish Nazi. Let me explain what I meant.

A Nazi is a person who inflicts pain, punishment, incarceration or death on any human who is behaving peacefully & honestly. However, a thug on the street who beats you and robs you, is not a Nazi because another precondition is that a person who inflicts pain, punishment, incarceration or death must believe in an ideology that gives moral permission to behave that way.

The Nazis not only inflicted pain, punishment, incarceration or death, they believed in an ideology that specified the use of pain, punishment, incarceration or death to achieve their desired social control goals.

Anyone who inflicts pain, punishment, incarceration or death for peaceful & honest behaviour, and believes idelogically it is permissable to do so, this is Nazism, no matter what label this person puts on their own behaviour.

Mr. Cotler is Jewish. As I said earlier, I have higher expectations from people who shared a background of persecution. Mr. Cotler knows extremely well the perniciousness of governments in meting out punishments for peaceful & honest behaviour. He understands history.

Yet his ideological belief in inflicting pain, punishment, incarceration or death for the good of the state is identical intellectually to the Nazi philosophy, and a betrayal of his persecuted roots. Now he is the chief political officer in charge of a massive pogrom against the cannabis people, and that is why I was enslaved in a jail for 62 days. There can be no doubt, that when I was in jail, Mr. Cotler's authority of me, and his sanction of my imprisonment, and his ideological belief as expressed by his actions, that inflicting pain, punishment, incarceration or death, Mr. Cotler is living & breathing his duties with a profound philosophy of Nazism permeating everything.

Well, I'm glad he cleared that up.
This Attorney-General wants to send me to jail for the rest of my life. And I have every confidence that if I am put in a US jail, no one in Canada will ever see me alive again. The DEA/USA is not going to make it possible that I'll ever get out to rouse the world's conscience. I am a permanent enemy of these Nazified forces that are surging through North America these very anxious days for all of us in the cannabis culture.

So if you see remarks about these diary blogs in any newspaper story, please set them straight as to what our struggle is about. And our struggle is one of worldwide peace, love & understanding in an anxious age of state barbarism. The menacing forces of government are waging this vicious war against our beloved people. Make no mistake, its a war. Thats how the DEA sees it all. A War.

When they capture the leader of the enemy, what do you think they do to him?

I've not seen many Marijuana Party members in "action" so it's perhaps unfair to draw conclusions from a small sampling. Still , there seems to be a pattern of self-obsessiveness and paranoia that pops up frequently enough among declared party members that one wonders - does heavy pot use have this effect on personality? Or are those with personality disorders simply drawn to organizations of this type?

And then, there's the question of logic impairment and its impact on decision making. Quite apart from one's views on marijuana legalization (I'm more or less ambivalent) - you would think that someone who attaches himself to a cause that could result in lengthy imprisonment would pick something a little more profound than the right to inhale fumes from a burning twig.

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You have to wonder if Emery would have the same support if he had tried to move another illicit substance -- like grain -- across the border. Of course, he would have wound up a refugee on the American side with the Canadian govt trying to extradite him were this the case.

Posted by: Sean at August 25, 2005 12:38 PM

I have used pot from time to time for either it's analgesic effects or simply for the euphoria. If it vanished from the planet, I wouldn't get too upset.

However, since it's here and likley to remain here, the last thing we should do is legalize it.

It would then be more government cash to use against us and the quality would plunge. There are also many people who stay off of welfare by indulging in this underground economy. Do you want them on welfare instead? I am talking mom and pop operations. Home based small biz if you will.

Worried about Hell's Angels, the Orientals, the Latinos involved in organized crime ... what's the difference? It's them or the Liberano's ... pick your criminal group. At least the non government criminals provide value for money.

Posted by: Duke at August 25, 2005 12:40 PM

I've been smoking pot since the mid 70's and I know it should remain illegal. Many people I know do not agree but everyone of them thinks that this idiot belongs in a U.S. jail for breaking U.S. laws. How does that old saying go? "If you cant do the time don't do the crime"

Posted by: FREE at August 25, 2005 1:00 PM

Marijuana laws are antiquated, yes.

BUT that is no excuse for calling the Justice Minister a "Nazi-Jew" and saying he epitomizes "a profound philosophy of Nazism" and expecting the media to look at you as anything but a wingnut.

Emery has no credability.

Posted by: Ted at August 25, 2005 1:11 PM

“In the future, everyone will be Hitler for 15 minutes.”
James Lileks

Posted by: TimR at August 25, 2005 2:16 PM

For the record, I have never used drugs of any kind. But it's time people started informing themselves about hemp and about this silly dependence on oil and the so-called oil shortage. It's time people started to educate themselves about issues of the day. And, with the Internet, self-education has never been easier.

A word about hemp and the oil and paper industries.

Hemp (marijuana) could replace most oil and energy needs and totally eliminate foreign dependency on oil imports. And it could significantly reduce or eliminate the negative ecological impacts of these polluting industries.

At one time marijuana had a promising future as a fuel. Rudolph Diesel in 1896 assumed the diesel engine would be powered by a variety of fuels, especially vegetable and seed oils. Like most engineers then, he believed that vegetable fuels were superior to petroleum. The hemp plant is the most efficient producer of vegetable oils.

In the 1930's, Ford Motor Company also saw a future in bio-mass fuels. Early Ford vehicles were run on hemp. But the problem is that hemp is renewable, cheap and clean...and the petroleum or coal sources are limited, expensive and dirty.

By volume 30% of hemp seed contains oil suitable for high grade diesel fuel, as well as aircraft engine and precision machine oil. Henry Ford's experiments with ethanol promised cheap readily renewable fuel. If you think methanol means compromise, you should know that many modern race cars run on methanol. And the first two drafts of the U.S. Constitution we written on hemp paper.

But Hemp was a threat to certain corporate giants of the time. William Randolph Hurst began referring to hemp in his newspapers by its spanish name "marijuana". This did two things: it associated the plant with Mexicans and played on racist fears, and it misled the public into thinking that marijuana and hemp were different plants.

By 1937 the Marijuana Tax Act was passed, which marked the beginning of the end of the hemp industry. Ever since then we have been supporting an oil industry that pollutes the air we breath and a forestry industry that, well, cuts down trees in order that they be ground into pulp for newspapers.

So much for big business being interested in the welfare of the general public. As always these bastards were and still are interested only in money. And so we pay high oil prices for a fuel that should not even have a market and read newspapers that lecture to us that that is as it should be. Bastards all.

Posted by: John Crittenden at August 25, 2005 2:31 PM

John C.: The article you are commenting on/trolling on, is not about the history or origin of marijuana or hemp laws.

It's about the vile comments by a discredited individual which are shocking and offensive to most thinking persons.

Do you have any comments to offer on this subject, without distracting into to a smoke and mirrors lecture on the history of marijuana laws?

Emery once said he didn't care how squeamish Canadians were about the use of his Nazi comparissons of people like Irwin Cotler, he cared about their "veracity". Emery is a wash-up, and his rambling assault yesterday on Minister Cotler and the historical significance and meaning of the terms 'holocaust', 'genocide', and 'nazi', is just pathetic.

Posted by: Ted at August 25, 2005 2:42 PM

Ted. I'm not supporting this idot Emery. Don't confuse things. I am not quoting Emery. I could care less about this guy. Do some research into the history of the oil industry and paper industries in the US.

You comments about me commenting on the history of marijuana laws is plain silly. I did no such thing.

Instead of accusing me of defending this idiot or the use or marajuana, deal with the facts I've stated. Refute them. Go ahead. I'm listening.

In the meantime, educate yourself.

Posted by: John Crittenden at August 25, 2005 3:03 PM

I should have added that drug pushers belong in jail. Emery is a drug pusher and he flouted the laws of another country. He will pay for that and he should. Advocating the use of hemp in no way advocates the use of marijuana.

And read some of my other posts before you accuse me of trolling.

Posted by: John Crittenden at August 25, 2005 3:08 PM

It is foolish to put some one in jail for any time at all for consuming something that grows everywhere and can hardly be stopped.

It hurts no one for this guy to smoke any plant he wants. No one is harmed. Think about that. No one was harmed by this man.

He did not attack anyone. He did not try to force anyone to join him. He did not frighten anyone. He did not harm anyone. He did not commit fraud. He did not steal. He did not assault any one. He did no harm to anyone anywhere except, big maybe, to himself.

Why does that warrant jail time? Much less the remainder of this poor saps life?

You people defending these laws against people's right to their own bodies are the ones who are 'over-reacting'

Clearly anyone who thinks that the law placing this poor boob in jail is a 'just' law are the complete Nazis. You think you should be able to impose your beliefs on everyone. Even when others do not share your 'faith'.

Why is he in jail? He should definately NOT be in jail for this. He is non-violent and has caused no harm to anyone.

Posted by: Bruce at August 25, 2005 3:20 PM


The bio mass and vegie fuels will not work over the long haul. The total energy input to get the bio fuel is greater than the resulting energy that will be released when burned. Yes bio fuel does have a small place in the total energy picture but it can not replace oil.

There was no and there is no "secret conspircy" of oil companies stopping other fuels types. It is just pure ecomonics it is cheaper to pull it out of the ground than to grow it above.

Posted by: Spencer at August 25, 2005 3:23 PM

Bruce, he broke a law that he knew existed. When you are caught speeding, you get a ticket. When you hit someone, you are charged with assault. When you sell seeds to a plant that is deemed illegal in the US, they will want to put you in jail. When your grow-up is discovered in Canada, you go to jail.

What's wo difficult to grasp about the concept?

What part of enforcing a law makes it Nazi-like?

Posted by: Candace at August 25, 2005 3:27 PM

Emery should be in jail. He broke the law. One can agrue that he broke a law in Canada that is not being inforced very well but this is not about Canadian laws being broken is about US laws. We have a treaty with the US and we must honour it. (Would you like them not to honour the treaty if a US citizen broke a Canadian law and hid in the US) Emery broke US law and knew what he was doing it. He was even thumbing his nose at the US. He makes all Canadians look bad even if you agree with him about pot. It is one thing try and change Canadian law it is another to work against another countries laws. If the tables were reversed Canadians would be blowing gaskets about US messing with Canadian internal policy.

Posted by: Spencer at August 25, 2005 3:37 PM

I think the war against drugs in the US is a total failure. So I'm not arguing that people who use drugs should all go to jail. But the hard drug industry, and that does not include marijuana, is a disaster and helps finance terrorism and street gangs as well as destroy a huge number of people. So maybe we need a different war on drugs. Maybe we should jail for life the pushers and king pins. I would agree with that. But putting someone caught with a small amount of drugs for personal use in jail for years is not only silly, it is insane. And it's unfair. And it's a burden on society just to keep them there.

I don't have an answer but I do think that much of the problem resides with the courts and the laws they administer. The police put the bad guys in jail and the next day they're out on the street, doing the same thing. Not fair to us or to the cops. If I had children in school that were being preyed on by these guys I know that I'd be very upset.

Spencer, I don't really agree with you. It takes a lot of money and energy to pump oil out of the ground, ship it around to the other side of the world, refine it, and then pipe or ship it to where it's needed. And it takes a lot of energy to cut down a tree and process it into paper. I think the oil industry is indeed controlled by large multi-national corporations that are only interested in control and profits. Hemp could, on the other hand, be grown close to where it's processed.

Speaking of the Hemp industry, it is a very interesting exercise educating oneself about it and reading the history of it's early use in the US. I had no idea until I did the research. There is much good reference online from sources of high credibility. I actually brought this subject into this conversation because hemp is where marijuana comes from. But it is indeed a very useful crop, or could be. Can't paint everything with the same brush.

Posted by: John Crittenden at August 25, 2005 4:06 PM


My father-in-law is trying to get into hemp production for the reasons you listed. He is being blockaded at every turn because of idiots like Emery who are trying to hijack the discussion about an entirely useful product to further their marijuana addictions.

I say we execute the little shit and all of his friends so that we can move forward with hemp.

Here's a link for you, BTW:

Posted by: Sean at August 25, 2005 4:40 PM

Sean, thanks for the link. I've bookmarked it. Good luck to your father-in-law. I agree totally. That's my point. Maybe I didn't make it well enough. I was trying to relate it to the topic of this post, which was about marijuana.

The more I read about hemp the more I like it. It can indeed be used to produce almost everything oil is now used for.

It's the same as sunshine and the proposal to put solar panels on a number of roofs in a city. There are better ways than we are pursuing today. Funny that many of them are free aint' it?

If the US and Canadian governments put as much money into a hemp industry as they put into nuclear power we could be totally free of our dependence on Middle East oil. Alberta oil will be required for many years in any case. But the future is alternate energy, and hemp is a leading source. And it is as easy as growing wheat, except that you get three crops a year instead of one.

Posted by: John Crittenden at August 25, 2005 5:15 PM

Sean and John C.

When I travelled through Chile 35 years ago I can confirm that hemp was widely grown as a commercial crop and can attest that smoking it would give you a sore throat and nothing else. You could even go into stores and buy large bags of hemp seed being sold as bird seed.

I don't know the details of the efficiency of hemp oil relative to the energy inputs but I believe ethanol production is little more than a subsidy for corn producers. As Spencer stated, it has been far cheaper to pump oil from the ground than plant and harvest crops. I believe the cost to produce Saudi crude is somewhere in the $2-$3 per barrel range.

Browse through the following blog for some interesting calculations and didcussions of energy useage and replacements.

Posted by: John B at August 25, 2005 6:28 PM

Another good link John B. Thanks

Posted by: John Crittenden at August 25, 2005 6:56 PM

Marc Emery couldn't tell the difference between Nazis and his nutsies.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 25, 2005 6:57 PM

In honesty, this is probably the most inane comment section I've seen about a topic in quite awhile.

Despite the (usually high) quality of Kate's blog, given the discussion in here, if the quality of the electorate is reflected, it's now clear to me why the Liberals remain in power.

2 things.

1. Spencer: This should be insightful. Which organization currently acquires and holds the most patents on electric cars? (They acquire an average of 2 per day).

2. Emery is benign. The state enforcing arbitrary laws with force and forcible confinement is not benign.

Posted by: Andrew at August 25, 2005 10:08 PM

Where's that motley crew of frustrated non-bylined National Post "Free Emery" crackpots now?

I said it back then: this guy will do far more harm than good to the legalization movement. Sure enough, here he goes: Irwin Cotler, Jewish Nazi. This is exactly why I've become anti-legalization: potheads are nuts, and there's no worse a role model (or more pathetic a site) than a pot-addled adult. When you start demonizing a very intelligent, high-achieving individual like Cotler (whose only serious flaw was joining the Liberal party), comparing him to Hitler while rambling on in paranoid incoherence, you've made the case for marijuana prohibition self-evident.

Posted by: NCF TO at August 26, 2005 1:11 AM

Maybe I'm just stupid, or haven't followed the details here, but I don;t see the problem.

Did he violate a Canadian law? If so, stick him in jail or whatever the usual punishment is.

If not, why is he in jail? He violated an American law with no Canadian equivalent?! So what, unless he's stupid enough to cross into inthe US.

My understanding, pitiful as it is, is that extradition is used for crimes that are common in both countries affected. (Hence thre Swiss, who consider it a civil matter if you decline to pay your taxes, don't extradite people or bother to respond with information to foreign tax authourities for not paying their US/UK/whatever taxes) Extraditing someone to the US to face quite serious charges for something in Canada that's a misdemeanour would be a travesty.

Like I said, I've been on the moon for a while, so I haven't followed this very closely, someone let me know if i missed a turn somewhere.

Posted by: Fred at August 26, 2005 2:37 AM

Andrew, don't underestimate us. Just because we're not tight-assed elitists...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 26, 2005 4:27 AM

Despite what I persinally think about this man's (Emery) crass self serving agenda...he really IS being scapegoated. When the DEA run in some of the politically connected big time finaciers who keep the smack and crack trade running, then you can convince me their "war on drugs" is run without a political/nepotistic bias.

Pulling Emery through the international wringer is like swatting flies with a sledge hammer while winged dragons fill the skys. Maybe go after the New York and LA capitalization cartels that fund the major drug buys. It's easy to hang some pathetic little hemp seed salesman ( who was hiding in plain sight) in public while well heeled friends of the government covertly fund expensive party elections with donations made from their illegal drug import profits...the CIA, Wall Street profiteers and the Liberal party are just 3 of the many legitimate organizational front players who aren't too "idealistic" to dip their beaks in the vast profits the clandestine marketplace the prohibited drug economy provides.

Emery's "crimes" pale in comparison to those who play big in a black market drug economy which represents 400 billion a year...that's larger then the GDP od 90% of the globe. Don't tell me dusting Mark Emery in a public show trial will even dampen the enthusiasm of the real players who dabble in the incredibly profitable tax frree market of illicit hard core drugs.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at August 26, 2005 12:42 PM

I can't wait until something that you believe to be harmless is deemed illegal.
Neither condoning or condemning the remarks, I beleive that there were many things Nazis deemed illegal that would appear harmless to most outside observers such as being homosexual or marrying a different race.
One day, hopefully, it might be illegal to be a closeminded twit that uses the term "it's the law" to justify every heinous deed perpetrated on another person by the state.

Posted by: Jim at August 26, 2005 2:28 PM

"And it is as easy as growing wheat, except that you get three crops a year instead of one."

Er, not as easy as wheat in some senses. Yes, it grows faster and you can get more crops in a growing season (depending on where you live). The bad news is that it is tough to harvest and can thrash the hell out of normal harvesting equipment.

My father-in-law has some equipment that is used for harvesting hemp only. He put a lot of work into modifying it so that it won't get jammed up with hemp or just plain have the blades torn off the front of the unit ten feet into the field.

I don't see hemp replacing oil because of the production costs, but it would help, especially when it comes to creating plastics.

Posted by: Sean at August 26, 2005 2:58 PM

Well, now, Nazis believed that the German people, by virtue of their genealogical descent, were entitled to rule over all kinds of territory which had once belonged to their ancestors but which for thousands of years had belonged to other peoples. And that they thus had the right to take that land and do to those peoples whatever was expedient for the purpose. Whereas Zionists believe that the Jews, by virtue of their genealogical descent, have the right to rule over all kinds of territory that had once belonged to their ancestors but which for thousands of years belonged to other peoples. And they claim the right to take that land and do to those peoples whatever is expedient for the purpose. And many, perhaps most, Germans were not Nazis, but did recognize that the German nation did gain advantages from following the Nazi programme, whereas many, perhaps most, Jews are not Zionists, but do recognize that the Jewish nation gains advantages by following the Zionist programme. So, only a monster and an anti-semite could ever draw any comparison between a Jew and a Nazi.

All right, that's enough comedy. I yield to no man in my abject contempt for Irwin Cotler, and I'd cut him up for fish bait as soon as look at him, but no, it's plainly insane as well as disgusting to call him a Nazi simply because he declines to refuse to do his duty under the law even when that doesn't suit you. Perhaps for the first time in his wasted life, Cotler is doing nothing wrong here, and Marc Emery, who is a fool for not recognising that he has more substantial problems to deal with than any imaginary shortcomings on Cotler's part, is much worse than a fool for this filthy little stunt.

Posted by: ebt at August 26, 2005 3:24 PM

Anyone here ever watch Fox News on a "grey market" dish before it was available in Canada? Well, line're stealing, and you should turn yourselves in to face felony theft charges in the Unites States NOW.

Wow, don't see many of you moving.

Of course, some of you fine folk on the right have a penchant for making "quiet" racist comments. This kefuffle over supposed anti-Semetic responses -- which looks to most outside observeres I've talked to as an amateur attempt by Cotler's friends and associates to suck the 60% public support Marc Emery has -- is a red herring.

The neo-conservative penchant for free speech seems to be a little lacking here. I've lurked on these blogs for a while, and you people certainly weren't calling for have Captain Ed shipped to Canada a few months ago for violating the Gomery ban, were you?

While I don't agree with Emery's violations of Godwin's Law, I see his point. Take here for example: most of the "dialogue" on these blogs seems to be nothing more than legal sophistry or the every popular "nazi pothead doper" name-calling garbage. How would you feel in a similar situation?

Oh yes, I forgot...neo cons think they allowed to discriminate against Italians by talking about the "Librano$" because that's socially acceptable! My, a bit of a double standard now, isn't there?

To personalize this: a close friend has severe epilipsy, a licence to use medical marijuana (pharmaceuticals don't work for her) and is alive today because of it. She has a handful of grand-mal seizures per year, as opposed to 90+ before starting to use marijuana.

She often gets quite angry and points out the discrimination shown toward legal cannabis users is tolerated by others who wouldn't think of discriminating against a black person, or a gay person, or an immigrant.

This discrimination, oddly enough, is fought against by the cannabis movement using the same anti-defamation tactics used by B'nai Brith, the ADL and the CJC -- and it will continue.

Posted by: Tim Meehan at August 27, 2005 2:21 AM

Though I have not read all of the comments here, something that stuck out was that Emery broke American law and thus he should do the time in an American prison. This is flawed logic at best. There some things to consider here.

First, if a customer orders marijuana seeds on the internet, where was the crime committed? Remember, Emery paid taxes on all of his income and has had tacit approval of the public and government for a number of years.

Second, should Salmond Rushdie be sent to Iran to face the death penalty for writing "The Satanic Verses", a book critical of the Qu'ran? Mr Rushdie has broken Iranian law and the government of Iran has declared that he must be put to death. No wonder he is in hiding. The point here is that if Mr Emery is to be shipped off to the United States to face a sentence for a crime he committed outside of American jurisdiction, should some one like Rushdie not also be sent to Iran? Just think of the logic you guys are using.

As per Mr Emery's credibility, how has it been damaged? He made some comments that were perhaps senseless and certainly controversial but how has that damaged his credibility? You are talking about a man who has given away million of dollars without so much as a passing thought. He has been actively involved in the effort to legalize marijuana, a cause he believes in deeply. Aside from some controversial statements and some ideas concerning addiction that I think are some what out to lunch, Emery has been completely accountable and up front...hell, the afore mentioned things have been a result of his being accountable and up front.

Though I may not agree with everything Mr Emery says or does, I can find no rhyme or reason behind his extradition or even calling him an idiot. He certainly is not that.


Posted by: Ethan at August 27, 2005 2:26 AM

I cannot believe the ignorance I am reading on this board. Marc Emery is a civil right hero. The comparison rings true if you are a member of the persecuted minority that is the cannabis culture. Every study that the government has ever done on Cannabis ends up reccomending legalization yet thousands and thousands of Canadians are still sitting in prisons over Cannabis. Polls show 58% of Canadians support legalization, yet thousands upon thousands of Canadians are stigmatized for using a substance that is less harmful than tobacco, coffee or alcohol, and given criminal records when they have hurt no one. Marc Emery stands up for all us closet smokers who are too afraid to speak up for ourselves for fear of losing our jobs, or facing criminal records ourselves. Make no mistake we are a "culture". We have our own poets , authors, music , art and hero's (Marc Scott Emery) and persecuting us for our beliefs when we are a completely peaceful, loving community, is genocide. Irwin Cotler should realize that this is an unjust persecution and he dishonours his ancestors by partaking in it.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed:to you it shall be for meat. –Genesis chapter 1 vs 29 –King James Bible

? “You are doomed! You make unjust laws that oppress my people. That is how you keep the poor from getting their rights and from getting justice. That is how you take the property that belongs to widows and orphans” Isaiah chapter 10-Good News Bible

This applies very well to prohibition laws, which mostly target minorities and the poor. They make widows and orphans by jailing people for possessing the plants given to us by God himself, and then steal from those widows and orphans with the proceeds of crime legislation.

Posted by: DrGreenthumb at August 27, 2005 2:37 AM

The pro-emery comments in this thread are part of an organized campaign to influence public opinion organized by pothead admirers of Emery on his website. They have posted a link to this article and encouraged people to come and defend Emery, their great leader.

MEANWHILE Today in the Ottawa Citizen...

'Prince of Pot' under fire for anti-Jewish slurs:
Marijuana activist called Irwin Cotler a 'Nazi-Jew' on website
The Ottawa Citizen
Sat 27 Aug 2005
Page: A1 / Front

Marijuana crusader Marc Emery has found himself under fire this week as web-loggers scrutinize the content of his websites, including a posting from his "jail blog" last summer in which he called federal Justice Minister
Irwin Cotler a "Nazi-Jew."

With the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration after him, the case of Mr. Emery, B.C.'s "Prince of Pot," has become a cause celebre. Since his arrest a month ago, he has been facing possible extradition to the United
States for selling marijuana seeds to U.S. customers.

Supporters of Mr. Emery, who calls himself "the leader of the marijuana people around the world," include federal NDP leader Jack Layton, who has argued against the extradition.

Mr. Emery, 47, was serving a three-month sentence in Saskatoon last summer for passing a joint at a marijuana rally when he wrote the "jail blog," which he dictated to associates over the phone, who then posted it on the Internet.

In it, he complained that Mr. Cotler went from being a human rights advocate to a justice minister who, as attorney general, allows for the prosecution of cannabis users.

"I thought the term Jewish-Nazi, or Nazi-Jew, was an oxymoron until Cotler became the Injustice Minister," Mr. Emery's posting said. "What a disgrace he is to his Jewish roots. He should -- so much -- know better."

In June, the content on Mr. Emery's main website --, which he edits, publishes and uses to help sell millions of dollars' worth of marijuana seeds -- prompted NDP House leader Libby Davies to write to one of Mr. Emery's employees, Chris Bennett.

"I have been extremely disturbed by the tone and characterization of the Minister of Justice, Mr. Cotler, as a Nazi Jew and the Gestapo," wrote Ms.
Davies, who has tried to help one of Mr. Emery's associates, Renee Boje, who also faces potential extradition to the U.S. "I have been advocating
for Renee against the extradition and will continue to do so, but find the anti-Semitic characterization of Mr. Cotler based on his religious beliefs to be very offensive and completely counterproductive."

Four days after Ms. Davies' letter was posted to the site by Mr. Bennett, Mr. Emery -- temporarily taking a view that the Nazi metaphor "disengages almost everyone" -- wrote he had a better word for Mr. Cotler: "capo."

"If you're going to make comparisons," he advised, "the term for Irwin Cotler might be 'capo.' These were the Jews during the Holocaust who were fated to deliver their fellow Jews to their death ..."

In this case, Mr. Cotler would deliver his fellow Canadians to his American "masters," Mr. Emery's posting explained.

Earlier this month, a doctored picture of Mr. Cotler in a Nazi uniform, with a caption calling him a "neocon-kapo," was removed by one of the site's
administrators after it had been posted by one of the regular participants of the site's discussion groups. Several weblogs, including, later began to draw attention to that posting and to
Mr. Emery's "capo" comment.

On Monday, the same regular member on posted a cartoon that depicted an Israeli soldier shooting a Palestinian in the back. An
Orthodox Jew with an exaggeratedly large nose then says to the soldier "Hush... We Don't Want to Wake Him Up" while gesturing toward a large, dozing, globe-headed figure labelled "world opinion." A man in a kaffiyeh,
checking the pulse of the sleeping figure says, "Wake Him Up? He's Dead ..."

When Mr. Emery, who is out on bail, was asked by the Citizen about this cartoon in an interview Tuesday, he said that while he didn't endorse it, it was "probably legitimate political commentary."

On Wednesday, Mr. Emery changed his view, posting a statement above the cartoon saying "This illustration is offensive to our Jewish friends and cannot possibly help our cause ... You will create embarrassment for
me, and when I am facing life without parole for my political and cultural activities, I don't want you offending potential allies or supporters who may be Jewish and completely alienated by your posts."

An administrator then banned the person who posted the cartoon from the site.

In an interview with the Citizen, Mr. Emery explained that when he originally used the term "Nazi-Jew" he was in a very emotional state.

"When you're in jail, you can be seized by despair," he said.

Yet, he said that while he did not wish to be "insulting" to Mr. Cotler, ultimately he believes the Nazi metaphor is fair.

"To me, a Nazi is a person who would inflict pain, punishment, incarceration or death on anyone who's acting peacefully and honestly," he said. Mr.
Cotler, he said, fits into the category.

Mr. Emery said it is his respect and admiration for Jewish people that is behind his belief that Mr. Cotler should be held to a higher standard.

"I have a great sensitivity to the Jewish pogroms and I'm very steeped in knowledge about them. I love studying Jewish history, cultural history. A
lot of people have always thought I was a Jewish wanna-be," Mr. Emery said.

David Matas, chief legal counsel for B'nai Brith Canada, said it trivializes the atrocities of the Holocaust "to call everything that happens in
this world with which you disagree Nazism."

At the same time, Mr. Matas said Mr. Emery's use of the metaphor, although "totally inappropriate," is not an act of anti-Semitism, a brand of hatred which, he said, is generally based on conspiracy theories.

"I don't think this guy is in that business," Mr. Matas said.

He said, though, that Mr. Emery should restrict his criticism to Mr. Cotler's record and leave his religion out of it.

Mr. Cotler declined to be interviewed for this story. A spokesperson said because Mr. Emery is facing possible extradition, Mr. Cotler does not want to risk prejudicing the case.

More troubling than Mr. Emery's own comments, according to Mr. Matas, is a posting on by Mr. Bennett, the manager of Pot TV, an Internet-based show connected to the same website, is the husband of
Ms. Boje, the woman whose extradition Ms. Davies has fought against. In a reply he posted to Ms. Davies' letter of concern about anti-Semitism, Mr. Bennett
wrote that Mr. Cotler is "required" by his religion to be prejudiced against people who use cannabis for religious purposes.

"There are certain elements of Minister Cotler's religion (laws against paganism, witches, etc.)," Mr. Bennett wrote, "which would require him to be prejudiced against my wife's case, and I believe this can and does influence him."

Mr. Bennett's posting goes on to say that the capital punishment the Old Testament prescribes for witches, homosexuals, adulterers and others would make the Torah "hate literature if it were written today."

The posting also says that "These same prejudices are at the root of the Bush Administration's war on cannabis and comes from their Christian bias."

In his posting, Mr. Bennett said he has expertise on the Bible, having written two books on the subject, which, among other things, make the case that both the Old and New Testaments are full of positive references to marijuana.

In an interview, Mr. Bennett noted that he does not single out Jews. Anyone who practises one of the big three monotheisms, he said, would be equally suspect of such prejudice against religious users of cannabis.

Despite the posting's statement that biblical anti-witchcraft law "can and does influence" Mr. Cotler, Mr. Bennett said in the interview: "I don't
think that Irwin Cotler, necessarily, is making his decision based on that."

Mr. Matas said Mr. Bennett's postings go beyond Mr. Emery's use of Nazi metaphor, and are an attack on Judaism. He added that reasoning like Mr. Bennett's is also responsible for a lot of unfair commentary against
both Islam and Christianity.

"I can understand people disagreeing with Bush. Half of America disagrees with Bush, but that doesn't mean that there's something wrong with Christianity just because Bush is Christian," he said. "Religion is subject
to the dictates and interpretation of the individual people who are religious."

When asked about Mr. Bennett's statement, Mr. Emery said he wasn't in a position to evaluate the claims of Mr. Bennett, whom he referred to as a "scholar." He added, though, that he has never looked at the issue that way.

"I don't interpret people on their religion," Mr. Emery said.

According to Mr. Matas, the comments of Mr. Emery and Mr. Bennett do not sound like true anti-Semitic hatemongering, but the two are discrediting a legitimate point of view by their "wildly over-the-top" language.

"They're just not thinking straight," he said.

Posted by: Ted at August 27, 2005 8:00 AM

"The pro-emery comments in this thread are part of an organized campaign to influence public opinion organized by pothead admirers of Emery on his website. They have posted a link to this article and encouraged people to come and defend Emery, their great leader."

Just like if there was a website being critical of your fellow Klansmen You'd probably go there to try and defend him you ignorant bigot!

Marc is a civil rights hero and you are not fit to wash his feet.

Posted by: DrGreenthumb at August 27, 2005 11:47 AM

i must say im surprised how stupid a few of you people here really are.
i dont smoke pot but i know when i see something that is wrong.
this emery person has done nothing wrong but give people seed to grow something they wanted.
regardless of whether he wants people to smoke it or use the plant for our better benifit, as i see it, he opposes the nature of the beast and anyone that opposes that beast is not a bad man.
anyone that opposes the use of a plant with great potential should see whats its like to suck on some gasoline.
this jewish slurr is nothing more than a likening to wrongful persecution.

the plant in whatever form, unless you abuse it by mulling an addiction..does less damage than the sugary and fatty and chemical food we currently feed to our children and the air we will leave them to breathe, let alone the legal drugs that we do already allow them to injest.
what is worse, pot or the hundreds of drugs that have killed, maimed and injured all while being determined to be safe enough to prescribe.
we all drink our alchohol, allow a new man made medication,let it do its damage, forget that and then turn into hypocrits.

all the while we consider what we are doing best practise?
give it a rest guys.
it sickens me to hear humans talk about how oil is a cheap source of energy.
do any of you realise how much it has fucked the earth.lucky for you we only live so long and after we have wrecked it we will be dead and wont care, as long as we had it ok! didnt we??... its like shitting in your own bedroom and leaving it there cause its easier. actually its not cause a turd will break down and not cause damage for centuries to come.
oil will run out and our grandchildren will wonder why we were so careless in our choices. human greed will be showcased to have ruined a beautiful thing that provides life.
we are pushing it beyond our and its repair.

we already know that hemp or other natural sources for fuel and paper and building would be much better than clearing out all our non sustainable resources, safer and in fact cheaper in the long run. a shame we look at what we can get from oil in the short term and a shame that a war is based on oil because the government has, without forthought and still lacking hindsight placed such a high emphasis on it.
its no wonder, even with a democracy that we are still doing this. heck, still the people are unconvinced.
the people have been given a good dose of thought do we think we have a democracy when the government uses techniques to mould the populations needs and nulls any political uprising against itself. think about it hard.
this is what is really happening.

humans took a wrong turn many times and one of them bad choices was to prohibit hemp. one was to cut down old trees for uses that hemp could attend to, one was to entertain oil as fuel and one of them was to allow the cotton industry free rain to chemically pollute and kill the earth.
the people payed the cotton farmer, its lead ons and the chemical company that made it a worthwhile crop made millions at our very own natures demise.

we have prohibited the pot plant and to a good extent allowed a quicker earth destruction and a huge killing of innocent life, human and animal.

theres a theory that in the short term oil companies will do very well. long term if you made them pay for what they destroyed in the process then it would cost us 10 dollars per litre.

we can engineer machinery that can deal with biodiesel, does anyone hear even see the advantages of using the plant kingdom as a primary source.
what is at the bottom of a food pyramid?? why do you think nature has this as a working concern at all. why shouldnt we be using it instead of arguing about it.

heck we even have the petrol companies smearing ethanol with lies about how our engines wont last long enough.ingenuity of man can come up with ways to deal with something like a plant.

we can engineer harvest machines that can deal with strong stems from a plant.the strength of it is well worth the efforts.
we couldve made hemp farming so much more than what we have.
simply we have not spent the time on the we have backed ourselves into a wall.

as for emery, if you read the law that supposedly allows his extradition..he should not have been touched.
likely that the laws need to be updated, but the way they are now america has wasted even more money on the wrong goals.
clearly the death penalty or life imprisonment for spreading such seed contravines the very written law that america seeks to extradite him with.

we could argue all day about whether he is bad for giving people the ability to get stoned for much less than it costs to get drunk.
seeing as the laws on the cannabis plant as a whole has not been individualised, but lumped under the phycoative label and held back for its other good, the man will walk victorious.
an eye for an eye may be fair but killing a man that has helped kill no one reeks of unjust law.

i give credit for the way canadian law is written and developed, whether emery escapes through the hole, dosent matter. it is all part of us seeing and developing best practise.
he has just helped it along to make it quicker.

if manking gets anything from this emery thing it might be that the plant should be looked at differently than what we curently do.

Posted by: rudolf at August 27, 2005 12:38 PM

Mr. Emery tries to state what a great tax paying citizen he is. Do we have anything other than his word that he has paid income taxes on the sales of cannabis? Was he charging G.S.T. on the sales of the drugs?

Posted by: pettifoggery at August 27, 2005 2:31 PM

"The pro-emery comments in this thread are part of an organized campaign to influence public opinion organized by pothead admirers of Emery..."

Let me repeat what I said earlier:

"This discrimination, oddly enough, is fought against by the cannabis movement using the same anti-defamation tactics used by B'nai Brith, the ADL and the CJC -- and it will continue."

Expect more and more of us here with every passing day.

Posted by: Tim Meehan at August 27, 2005 6:00 PM

After reading your rather lame attempt to discredit Marc Emery and the cannabis reform movement in general for the comparisons being made between the current crack down and scapegoating of the cannabis culture and that of the horrors faced by the Jews from the Nazis only a generation ago. Such comparisons are best made before they are completely fulfilled and realized, rather than afterwards when they will be of little use to the victims. History often repeats, especially when history is not regarded for the important lessons it holds.

Only a few years ago, the American Politician Newt Gingrich (a former pot smoker) suggested that anyone smuggling more than an ounce of the herb into the US should be executed, and former Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates said "Casual drug users should be taken out and shot". Republican Representative Dan Burton backed the death penalty for drug traffickers, but when his son Dan II was convicted of felony possession of marijuana with intent to distribute in 1994, the elder Burton asked the judge for leniency. Republican Congressman Duke Cunningham also advocated the death penalty for drug dealers, until his son Randy was convicted of having 400 pounds of pot. He pled for mercy for his son. Also, there seems little talk on foreign policy, in either Canada or the US, about the execution of drug dealers and users in a number of eastern and middle eastern countries, like China, where their organs are sold afterwards, with the fatal shot depending on the need for what organ was to be salvaged and sold, often to foreign recipients (more money in that than soap).......

Considering this, is not the Drug War Holocaust already happening and on the threat of intensifying due to the combination of the War on Terror with the War on Drugs? Are the ideas of "Drug War Executions" not almost acceptable on the American political scene already as they have become in other countries in the Mid-East, Asia and Africa ?

The US Prison system currently holds 2.5 million people, that is 1 in every 120 Americans. Comparatively in Canada the ratio is about 1 in every 750. The reason for the over 600% increase in jail population per capita in the US is directly related to the failure of the War on Drugs. With 5% of the World's population, America harbors more than 25% of the World's prisoners, making the one time Land of the Free the world's leading jailer. ( I ask anyone, is there any greater definer of freedom than the amount of people a country holds in its prisons?) Irwin Cotler wants to bring American style drug laws to Canada and if he is successful then we can begin to see massive increases in people jailed for non-violent victimless drug offenses and our jail populations grow by 100%, 200% , 300% until we reach the 600% increase that is being experienced in the USA.

People like Mr. Spector who are afraid of this analogy, hold that the difference in numbers is too much, so the analogy does not hold true. I don't see the need to wait till marijuana users are being taken out and shot on a daily basis, as the usefulness of the analogy will be defeated when the numbers reach those proportions, as well be the chance for change. What is important is to note that the systematic events which lead to cultural genocide are in place, and the fertile ground for an increase in these violations of human rights and liberties has already been laid.

As a reporter, Mr. Spector's religio-political loyalties and the bias they create are both obvious and well known and require no comment here. But one wonders how a Canadian Justice Minister such as Irwin Cotler, a former human rights lawyer and a man so familiar with cultural scapegoating and persecution would be overcome with the same sort of evil he started out to fight against.

Even a 100% increase in per capita prison populations would be astounding to most Canadians. But a 600% increase in the prison population of our closest neighbor? and Cotler instead of alarming Canadians to this horrible fact, tries to bring Canada on board to the American war on Drugs, and seems intent on seeing a number of Canadians sent to the American Gulag to face 10 years or more for watering plants, selling seeds or using medical marijuana. Further, the direction Mr. Cotler is taking Canadian marijuana policy and his decision regarding the extradition of people associated with this plant goes against that of the Canadians Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs which recommended legalized regulated marijuana distribution and the conclusions of the similar House of Commons report which recommended decimalization, as well as every major Canadian poll on this subject. Mr. Cotler has betrayed Canadian Values and in this area his loyalties lay with the White House Admiinistration and he is the Canadian perpetuator of their insane War on Drugs.

Sincerly Chris Bennett,
Manager of Pot TV

Posted by: Chris Bennett at August 27, 2005 6:45 PM

I would like to point out something: seeds are not drugs. You need to be able to grow them, before you can get drugs. If you took a handful of marijuana seeds and through them into a field and had them grow naturally, you would have to be lucky to get much in the way of 'drugs' out of them. Getting the 'drug' takes care and human involvement.

How many people on this site think that pharmacies are immoral for selling cold medications to meth producers? Because it seems to me that Emery is about on the same plane as them, and marijuana is a drug that is considereably less dangerous than meth.

The basic quality of all drugs is that they help alleviate human suffering. We have all taken drugs at some point, whether it be aspirin or booze or whatever. The important thing is to allow people to find the proper drug to end their suffering, and to encourage them to do so responsibly.

And if you think that so-called recreational drugs are not about suffering, I dare all the booze drinkers to stop. Never drink another drop again, and then tell me if suffering was never involved.

Posted by: Jack at August 27, 2005 7:36 PM

I can't believe some of the comments on this site concerning jailing Marc Emery and other Cannabis Users. Though I believe stongly in your right to have those opinions and vocalize them, I'm completely apposed to government laws backing such view points.

Gladly those hateful views are only held by a small minority in Canada, But even if those views were held by the mojority, our Government through the Seperation of Powers philosophy or checks and balances should in most cases weed out unjust laws that attack minority groups and cultures. Our Charter of Rights is meant to protect minorities from the majority.

Chris Goodwin

Posted by: Chris Goodwin at August 27, 2005 8:27 PM

Pressure, sadness, isolation, frustration and helplessness makes people lash out. Name calling should not occur. This outburst was a tantrum born of rage, discomfort and fragility. I am 100% certain that prisoners talk hourly contains this anger and bitterness expressed towards those whose actions resulted in them being institutionalized. Human beings have frustration thresholds. Although I agree personal attacks should be aired privately Marc's statement in his jail cell blog was merely the ramblings of a anguished man in a troubled moment. Truly.

Posted by: Carol at August 27, 2005 8:49 PM

I love this quote and I hope I can use it:
"The basic quality of all drugs is that they help alleviate human suffering. We have all taken drugs at some point, whether it be aspirin or booze or whatever. The important thing is to allow people to find the proper drug to end their suffering, and to encourage them to do so responsibly.

And if you think that so-called recreational drugs are not about suffering, I dare all the booze drinkers to stop. Never drink another drop again, and then tell me if suffering was never involved."

Posted by: Jack at August 27, 2005 07:36 PM

Jack, Do I know you? This sounds like wise words from Jack Herer.

Posted by: Madd Maxx at August 27, 2005 9:14 PM

you know whats happening here with the NAZI term.

emery has called him a nazi for helping putting him into gaol. whatd he go to gaol for..a trafficking charge for passing a joint or something?

now this time cotler is going to be asked to sign off on the emery extradition when marcs political beliefs are the reason why he was arrested.


in this world we arent supposed to be rascist nor attack one over political belief, colour, sex, sexual orientation..whatever.

most ironinc thing that i can think of at the moment is that cotler will likely send marc to gaol for his political beliefs, whats worse being called a nazi jew by marc or being a marc emery that can get the gas chamber in america and definatley sit in a cell to rot for the rest of his life???.

id rather be called a name anyday than lose my life for political belief.

Posted by: rangi at August 27, 2005 10:02 PM

What in the world is a "gaol"? I think what you meant was "jail".

Get some perspective, Rangi. We in Canada and the US don't persecute people unless they break the law. Besides, he's being extradited to stand fair trial, not being summarily whatever like in the tyrannical regimes the left is wont to love.

You have very much more to learn about this part of the world. Pay attention to conservative-minded people and you will. Listen to leftist morons and you'll become one.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 27, 2005 11:11 PM

Marijuana laws have never been based on anything but dishonesty backed up with violence by the government. Pot is the single best plant on the planet, but the law regards marijuana as almost as bad a murder.

Every particular politician in power for over 80 years has had to adhere to the government's claims that marijuana is bad.

The truth is that marijuana is good, and the government is evil, and that is really why marijuana is illegal.

The problem is that the entire system, from the Prime Minister on down for 82 years has been dishonest and violent in their attitude and behavior regarding cannabis. There is an entire global system of pot prohibition, with the U.S.A. and the U.N., in which Canada is a minor component.

Marijuana is illegal because for thousands of years a few people have been able to use violence and dishonesty to control a lot of people.

It was in the context of that history that it became possible for marijuana to be made illegal and for hemp to be made illegal at the same time.

Hemp and marijuana are the same plant. They are different from each other in the same ways that different human races are different from each other.

Pot prohibition history is vital to understand.

For instance, see:

Pot prohibition started with racism against Chinese Canadians, and was re-inforced by racism against Mexicans and Blacks in the U.S.A..
Behind the scenes, there was political corruption to put the hemp industry out of business at the same time as marijuana was made illegal.

The entire world's political economy is based on the long history of violence and dishonesty, which has turned into the present system of social control through dishonesty backed up with violence.

The fractional reserve banking system, also known as the debt engine, is the worst overall manifestation of this entire system.

However, the single, simplest symbol of that system is pot prohibition.

When the system develops for so many decades into a global phenomenon, one can not fairly blame one particular individual, even a particular Justice Minister, for the current state of the rule of law, and their possible duty to enforce that law.

However, the truth is that pot prohibition is a tool of persecution, and despite the paradox of Marc Emery making more of a marijuana martyr out of himself by attacking the Justice Minister, who has the theoretical power to overrule the courts and not extradite Emery to the U.S.A., nevertheless, according to Emery's own definitions, Colter's behavior IS part of the global fascist plutocracy that has controlled the world for a very long time, and still is controlling it now.

Posted by: Blair T. Longley at August 28, 2005 12:33 AM

your way off base here. I love listening too uneducated ramblings from people who have no clue about pot. I am now dumber having read your idiotic comments.

Posted by: dan at August 28, 2005 8:12 AM

im sorry i dont spell gaol the way you spell jail.
obviously WE have much to learn from other countries... maybe we went to different schools. maybe you spell colour color and i dont.
that doesnt matter..

but being a conservative would be right? and lefts would be morons??

myself i dont know what i am. unconvinced surely.

maybe im a coloured bisexual moron conservative that belongs in gaol.. or dont they make them?

i dont care what i come across as but if listening to conservative means not understanding the law or more importantly the reason behind it i dont want to be like you.

if you think im a pot smoker that should go to jail for'd be wrong on both counts.

While marc has broken the american seed law, conspired to grow pot and recieved money, atleast i can see the extradition treaty is another law and agreement between two countries and it is presicely that law that is being used to extradite him, yet it actually gives him protection against extradition..mainly because of the difference in sentences between the two countries signing the MLAT and because of the more or less political reason for his arrest.

is the penalty handed down in america even under a fair trial going to be way more than what he was going to get in canada if he where even arrested by canada?
then going by the different laws, he shant even be sent to america.

that treaty protects its people against facing particularly harsh penalties that itself doesnt beleive in.

you see canada does not beleive in execution nor overly harsh cannabis related sentences, nor extraditing someone that was obviously arrested for political reasons. it all makes good sense to me, good on them for that.

i agree he has broken the american law, totally agree and normally he should face trial for it.

it just seems the other law is there to protect sovereignty your own laws and you may see what i am talking about.

if you dont like it then why dont you change the law so that next time someone like emery can be put in gaol or exectuted for it.

it may be hard to do that though because the majority of canadians wouldnt vote for it and thats why the law is the way it is currently.

had he been an underground dope dealer with no political ties. then it would be ok.. oh and also if canada had similar veiws against cannabis to america.
but no stephen, they dont, not currently.

its clear that america has cannabis as a schedule 1 prohibited drug and canada has it lower down their list of priorities.

surely someone like the minister of the DEA shouldve known this. maybe she shouldve thought twice before she opened her mouth about her reasons for arresting marc.

maybe she shouldve realised that she was asking canada for someones life for selling seed, which afterall is something against their belief.

either way itll be interesting to see what pans out.

Posted by: rangi at August 28, 2005 10:56 AM

Alot of people have missed the point of this discussion, and have dove straight into the extreme political polarity between those who support and those who oppose the legalization of marijuana. It is not a question about who's who, and where everyone stands relative one another. It is about the potential harm to society by marijuana and the rights of the individual (or in many cases the whole state or province).

It is little known that marijuana was banned with little to no scientific explanation or research to support it. ( To this day there is still not enough research to say it is definately good or definately bad, however, a large majority of studies weigh on the postive end of the spectrum.

This being said, many people are demanding to know why the DEA has refused to allow anyone to study this plant. The response? "Not consistent with the public interest." Well, how many more of the hundreds of millions of cannabis smokers, religions, farmers and people must they need to ask before it is consistent with public interest? Why not prove everyone wrong with real evidence?

The US war on drugs, whose intention is to eliminate drug use and the harms associated with drug use, has done the exact opposite. The reasoning behind the war on drugs is, if you educate the population about drugs while simultaneously taking the source of drugs out, you will see a decline in use rates. This has been proven to be completely misguided. Use rates are not affected by accesibilty, in fact, use rates and supply increase as it becomes more profitable to traffic in drugs. The market becomes super-inflated, while use rates remain the same. It can cost up to $6000 for a lb. of pot in the US, compared to $1500 in Canada. Ask yourself now why there is so much appeal in running pot across the border?

The harms associated with marijuana, seems to be a high priority in the US, with sentences carrying enough weight to end someones life, when the reality of the substance is completely un-substantiated and not yet justified.

Why does a pot smoker go to jail for life, when rapists and murderers get off in less than 10? Why were the prison guards in Abu Ghraib given 1 year, when Marc Emery who has sold seeds, should go to life in prison? Why should the harm of one joint, one 2-3 hour "high" that is described as "mellow and relaxing," that is not physically addictive, that cannot kill, that affects no one but the user, which is a medicine, a religious belief, and is used around the world in almost every country on the globe, putting people in prison for any more amount of time than a murderer or than a rapist?

The War on Drugs causes far more harm than it prevents. Why is no one talking about the car accident rates associated with marijuana? The murder rates associated? The theft and addiction associated with marijuana?

Take easy money away from gangs.

Take gang-related violence off the streets.

Take pressure off borders. Allow border-guards to focus on important problems such as guns, bombs and terrorism.

Control of production and consumption is placed firmly in the hands of the people. No more additives or dangerous grow-ops.

Regulation can occur.

Harms can be minimized.

Information can be honest, available and well-researched.


Stop persecuting religions.

Stop persecuting otherwise law abiding citizens.

Stop breaking apart otherwise law-abiding families.

Encourage trust in government instituions.

Stop wasting TAXES, and allow them to go towards far more important social problems.

Focus on addiction and dependancy, like we do alcohol and tobacco, rather than blame a substance over individual responsibility.

When will we stop and think?

Posted by: John at August 28, 2005 6:00 PM

Marc Emery must have made the connection between the drug war, the Christian Crusaders, The Spanish Inquisitors and the Nazis...They were all scapegoat persecutions based on the St. George model.

Sure looks like a lot of people here could use a read of Lysander Spooner's classic 1875 essay Vices Are Not Crimes in order to understand that vices are harms that we do to ourselves and crime implies harm to another person or their property.

There is such a thing as unjust laws...the history books are full of them.

The drug war is immoral. Temeperance, prudence, justice and fortitude are the Cardinal virtues of St. Thomas Aquinas and drug prohibition doesn't measure up to a single one.

Vainglory...wanting your way so badly that you would willingly harm another person.....meting out criminal records for vice is vainglory defined...

Next some people here have suggested that Marc Emery ought to be deported to face "American justice."

Do people no longer believe in the right to face a jury of your peers? Marc's peers live in Vancouver, not Seattle.

What about the Magna Carta and the Rights of an Englishman to make the case that the law is an ass......the right to ask the jury to test the justness of the law.....Is Marc Emery not entitlled to those protections?

And what about justice in the form of the jury of his peers mete out the punishments?

All the rights our ancestors won to safe guard the notion of "justice" our ancestors spilled thier blood for have been sacrificed to fight the immoral drug war.

So I saw a lot of name calling mostly directed at Marc Emery...

What I did not see was any refutation of Marc's charge that Irwin Cotler as a member of a foremerly scapegoated peoples ought not be scapegoating drug choosers.

Nazi-Jew or Capo seems a most appropriate comparrison under the circumstance. The only thing that has changed is the name of the countrys and the name of the scapegoats....all the same dynamics and characteristic of a witch hunt are readily visable to anybody who cares to look.

Posted by: Chris Buors at August 28, 2005 8:54 PM

Reading the comments above by those who say they smoke marijuana but don't want it legal, are hypocrites. Prohibitionists of the worst kind. Saying you support a system that puts people in jail for doing exactly what you do (or have done) is completely evil.
Marc Emery is not interested in whether his opinion is 'popular' or whether it will bring negitive publicity. He's simply says what he means and makes no apologies. It's called honesty and integrity.
I'm not surprised that many of you feel the way you do though. If you didn't it would disprove my theory on just how many sheep are still grazing around brainless and asking the media what to think next. Sheep who roam around letting themselves be brainwashed instead of producing one single original thought or opinion on your own.
Marc Emery is not the first person to make the drug war/ nazi war comparison. See below:
The Drug War - Nazi Comparison

From US IL: Column: The Nazi Comparison
Pubdate: Wed, 17 Feb 1999
Source: Rock River Times (IL)
Address: 128 N. Church St., Rockford, Illinois 61101
FAX: (815) 964-9825
Copyright: The Rock River Times 1999
Author: Dr. John Beresford
Posted online at The Media Awareness Project

Drug War prisoners that I correspond with call themselves POWs. Some write POW in America in the corner of an envelope under the writer's name and prison number.

Political prisoner and gulag are terms that enter conversation. Solzhenitsyn's The First Circle and The Gulag Archipelago are works sometimes referred to.

America's vast network of prisons, boot camps, and jails invites comparison with the detention machinery of former totalitarian regimes.

The certainty of conviction that an accusation of a drug law violation brings, through confession (95 percent) or trial and a finding of guilt (the remaining 5 percent), matches the idea of automatic conviction that goes with popular belief about the nazi and communist systems.

Nazi is a term used by Drug War prisoners and non-prisoners alike, as though it were a given that the mentality behind Nazi behavior a half-century ago and the operation of today 's Drug War is no different.

The comparison is an uncomfortable one, and one's first inclination is to reject it. A US judge has objected that nothing in the conduct of today's Drug War resembles the terror tactics in Nazi Germany where SS troops could storm into a person's home and no one saw or heard of that person again. The objection is understandable, but it rests on a false premise.

The Nazis were not a bunch of crooks, operating outside the confines of the law. Everything they did had legal backing, and if on some occasion a law was needed they composed one.

Flat out, it will be objected that a world of difference separates a prison from a death camp.

Drug War prisoners are not intended for a holocaust. Ominously for our peace of mind, however, until the last minute neither were the people held in concentration camps.

They were held there to protect the health of society. Moreover, with the obsession with death that gains ground daily, it is probable that death is in the cards for people accused of drug law violations in the future.

A questionnaire is making the rounds in Congress that has Yes and No boxes for questions which include: Do you favor the death penalty for drug trafficking? Who in their right mind in Congress, I wonder, will check No to that question, trafficking being the loaded term for what most people call dealing?

Someone will point to the absurdity of thinking that America would ever tolerate a Fuhrer, a wild man with a funny mustache and a way of haranguing crowds burlesqued by Charlie Chaplin.

The point, though, is that the Nazi comparison refers not so much to rhetoric, inevitably different in two quite different places and at different times, as to the dehumanization and trashing of large numbers of people for lifestyles and practices that violate the norms of mainstream society.

For this we do not need a Hitler. We can do it the American way.

Myself, I am sympathetic to the Nazi comparison. I was in Nazi Germany as a child.

In the summer of 1938, when I was 14, my parents sent me on a two-week vacation with a family in a village in north-west Germany.

There were Mr. and Mrs. Otting, their daughter Irmgard, and the youngest son Wolfgang, who wore his Hitler Jugend uniform at Wednesday night meetings.

The two older sons I never saw. One was in the army. The other was doing two years of voluntary farm labor, which excused him from army service.

Mr. and Mrs. Otting were old-time Christians, and had the family bible on display in the china cabinet in the dining room.

On the shelf above the Holy Bible you saw the red and white dust jacket of Mein Kampf, Hitler's version of scripture.

No one said anything about it, but there had to be a copy of Mein Kampf on display for two reasons. Every five or six houses or apartments had an informant who could sift through mail, collect gossip, and pay a visit to make sure the householder did not have suspicious material lying around. Also, school children were taught to report suspicious behavior to the police.

There wasn't any TV, but there was plenty of entertainment, parades, outdoor concerts, Hitler on the radio, sports.

The economy was great. Everyone had a job. Germany was strong. Hitler wanted peace. New construction was going up everywhere. The trains ran on time. You didn't see beggars in the street, hanging around. Undesirables had been rounded up, got out of the way.

The newspapers were full of praise for the Nazi system. A weekly periodical with pictures showed who the Untermenschen were, the underclass of people who had no place in decent society.

In those days the underclass consisted of gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, the wrong sort of artists, trade unionists, and communists. They were described in terms we now call demonization and scapegoating.

The universities had their share of academics who endorsed Nazi policy. Doctors, engineers, race specialists, and others spelled out theories which gave the Nazis a green light.

At 14 I was barely aware of all this. Yet by the end of my two weeks with the Ottings I had a feeling that to this day remains hard to describe.

I took this feeling home to England, where I promptly forgot it.

It wasn't the sort of feeling you had there. I didn't have it during the war, which started the next year. I didn't have it when I studied medicine, emigrated to America, became an American citizen, and lived in New York for 20 years.

I didn't have it in Canada, where I practiced psychiatry for 15 years. I didn't have it when I retired from practice and spent time in a Buddhist monastery.

On and off, I would read about Nazi Germany, but the feeling that I had when I was briefly in Nazi Germany as a child had gone.

In the fall of 1992 an ad appeared in the personal column of High Times Magazine, sent in by Brian Adams. Brian wrote that he was 18 years old, just out of high school, when he was arrested and sentenced to ten years of imprisonment for passing out LSD to his friends.

If a High Times reader was interested in LSD sentencing methods, the reader could write to Brian and learn something.

I wrote to Brian, who introduced me to Tim Dean, who introduced me to other LSD prisoners and soon I was in the thick of a correspondence which has not stopped growing.

In 1993 I began to visit Drug War prisoners in prison. I drove to the Canadian border, crossed into the United States, and talked with Pat Jordan in County Jail in Nashville, Tennessee.

I drove to Michigan City to talk with Franklin Martz, sentenced to 40 years in the Indiana State Prison in that city. I drove to other prisons to speak with Drug War prisoners, paying attention to the information they provided. That started my Drug War education.

One day something happened. I realized that every time I left the monastery and entered the United States I was struck with a weird feeling that left as soon as I re-entered Canada.

I couldn't put my finger on it, but it was as real as day. When the meaning of this realization dawned, it hit me like a ton of bricks. The feeling I had acquired in Nazi Germany and forgotten more than half a century before was back. My Drug War education had clicked in.

The feeling told me everything. The exponent of democracy had fallen on hard times. America was treading the same path as Nazi Germany. The War on Drugs and Hitler's war on anyone he took exception to, the symptoms in the two cases were identical.

One thing I had to accept was that I could not stay on in the monastery. I could not sit back and watch disaster unfold. I had to get out in the world and become an activist, whatever becoming an activist entailed. Even if no one else saw the War on Drugs in the same light I did, I had to do what might lie in my power to stop it.

I won't go into what has happened since, except to mention a friendship with Nora Callahan and a tie to the November Coalition. It is a relief to know that others share the perception that historically we are in big trouble, without their having once glimpsed life in Nazi Germany.

Where it will end, no one can say. But there is reason for hope. In 1938 people in Germany did not know the price they would soon pay for subscribing to Nazi policy.

We, looking back, do know. With the benefit of hindsight and with concerted effort we may still halt the juggernaut, free Drug War prisoners, reverse an unsalutary policy, and restore meaning to the words liberty and justice for all.

If we don't, we will have no one to blame for the disaster that lies just around the corner but ourselves.

Knowlege is Power!

Posted by: RLS at August 29, 2005 4:53 AM

Quote: Mr. Emery tries to state what a great tax paying citizen he is. Do we have anything other than his word that he has paid income taxes on the sales of cannabis? Was he charging G.S.T. on the sales of the drugs? "

WOW! Are you ever stupid. I think Revenue Canada can confirm that. Duhhhh! He's not being charged for the sale of cannabis, it was seeds. When Mr. Emery was having one of his regular meetings with the CCRA don't you think they would've mentioned the GST? Don't you think that if he wasn't collecting pst and gst they would have noticed? He remitted the 611,000 bux in provincial and federal taxes!
Don't you think somebody from rev canada would've said something if he hadn't remitted the taxes he claims? Uhhh yeah I think this can be backed up.

Posted by: RLS at August 29, 2005 5:36 AM

For all you people who want to justify this travesty by saying "he deserves it , he broke the law," answer me this. Should Rosa Parks have moved to the back of the bus because that was the law? Sjould the slaves have stayed in the south because slavery was legal? I have my doubts that any one of you chickenshit prohibitionists will answer my questions because the answer either goes against your logic in Marc Emery's case or would betray your true racist personalities.

Posted by: at August 29, 2005 1:43 PM


Quite apart from one's views on marijuana legalization (I'm more or less ambivalent) - you would think that someone who attaches himself to a cause that could result in lengthy imprisonment would pick something a little more profound than the right to inhale fumes from a burning twig.

And quite apart from what one thinks of the wisdom of such a pursuit or the wisdom of some of he things he says or the character of some of his defenders - the bottom line is that it's pretty monstrous that he faces lengthy imprisonment for facilitating the inhalation of "fumes from a burning twig".

Posted by: John T. Kennedy at August 31, 2005 11:40 AM