This Is Depressing from Cannuckistan Chronicles
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Tracked on August 24, 2005 10:36 AM

Excecellent point and one I have often wondered about. How is that the left has had this edge of double standard unchallenged for so long?
I read Mike Adams from Townhall ..
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/archive.shtml
who has been challenging the liberal bigots on his South Carolina campus for some time now. His rants are intelligent and absolutely hilarious. Great reading and it demonstrates the "edge" conservatives have in the debate by employing humour amidst the divide between the vehement, frantic, angy left and the confident, much calmer right.
When you have fact and logic in your arsenal, it's easier to remain more dignified in the debate and arguments agains the inanities of the Left with it's silly and worn out ideas of moral relativist thinking.

I admist I could use a little more calm and dignity in some of my rants and posts as well.... I shall try harder.

Duke

Amen. Where is the tolerance for my opinions. I don't like SSM (don't believe in legislative empowerment) yet my opinion is dismissed as backward thinking, and someone from a non-christian moral tradition is allowed this anachronism. Either you grant tolerance for all or none.

Hear, hear!!!

If one wants to really know the heart of this country, follow the footsteps of a farmer, from spring to winter!

Understand *what* he understands about the cycle of life, what it is to have a harvest of plenty or losing it all, dealing with hardship and refusing to yield to it.

Or giving a hand-up, when a hand-out is seen as only second best.

Understand what he knows about the value of a dollar, the joy of delivering a new calf, teaching his own how to drive the smallest tractor, first, and how to share the workload with respect and enthusiasm.

Need someone to give you a hand, who has a knowledge of heavy-duty mechanics, electrical, plumbing, soil sciences, animal husbandry, carpentry, computer functions, bookkeeping, family and community responsibility, and you only have to go as far as the farmer or blue collar worker down the road from you.

Yes, they wear the color of having known the heat of the sun on their skin.

Yes, they refuse to accept a 'no' when they feel a 'yes' is in there, somewhere.

Yes, they are independent and want to see the best in the other. and for the other.

Grovelling is not in their playbook.

They play as hard as they work, but play by the rules known to both.

They will not suffer fools gladly; there usually isn't time for endless debate.

What you see is most often what you get. How refreshing!

"I don't like SSM (don't believe in legislative empowerment) yet my opinion is dismissed as backward thinking..."

Yeh, that happens to backward thinking a lot.

:-p~~~~~~

Awesome. Best thing I've read all day, Kate.

If one wants to learn more about the left, there's an excellent, comprehensive site devoted to the study of leftism in the real world.

Here's the url:

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/

Thank-you Kate.

(raises a glass to Kate's good sense and wonders how he and those like him can make their voices louder...)

Cheers Kate!

John "Inimitably Arrogant" Ibbitson of the Globe is probably the single best example of a major media figure who consistently disparages almost everyone and everything in Canada outside "diverse", "post-national", Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. His loathing of Alberta and of rural, anglophone (dare one even say "English"?) Canada is pathological.

Mark
Ottawa

Wise counsel and fittingly posted to a blog. The MSM in Canada has not been held accountable in the same way as in the US.

But as Hugh Hewitt observes, the blogosphere will eventually expose MSM's soft under-belly.

Thank you for being an example of good writing filled with wit and penetrating insight.

Your collective hypocrisy scales the dizzying heights with this one.

The Left. Oh, yeah--those moonbats, not suffering from mental illness but from reading incomprehension, in an unholy alliance with fundamentalist Islam, shrill, feral, parasitical...etc., etc., ad nauseam. All we get from you people is namecalling. Now you're whining about having some of that tossed your way?

Incidentally, I challenge anyone to find phrases over at my place such as those mentioned in the article. I try to keep the conversation civil, and so do most of my ProgBlog friends. This site belongs to Kate and she and her friends can say whatever they like, and do--but then to get all weepy when the same tactics they use on a daily basis get used by those they demonize?

Wow. You do get points for audacity, I'll give you that.

Dr. Dawg - you, a leftist, have just provided an excellent example of Kate's analysis of left-style 'arguments'.

Did you discuss the issue? No. You used the tactic critiqued by Kate; namely, the first thing so many on the left do when confronted with an analysis that they don't like, is -- you move into name-calling, slurs, ad hominem, personal jeers. You refuse to debate the issue; you attack, personally, the individual.

Your post is filled with personal insults and they all derive - from you. Not from Kate's post. How about moving beyond personal insults and focusing on issues?

What on earth are you talking about? What "personal insults" did I use in my post? I quoted a number that have been flung at the Left in the past few days. I will admit, though, that after reading your post, ET, I considered raising the issue of reading comprehension.

I did refer to "hypocrisy." That is a solid, neutral description of the article, given its source. Here's the paragraph that nearly made me splat coffee on my keyboard:

"The Canadian left and their advocates in the media casually employ words like 'redneck', 'bible-thumper', and 'knuckedragger' - often as thinly veiled synonyms for 'Albertan' or 'western'. Seldom is the tactic exposed for what it is - an attempt to pre-empt legitimate debate by dehumanizing those who hold opposing views."

Good God. Take a trip over to FrontPage Magazine and then read the above aloud with a straight face, and a tone of moral indignation. Or try these snippets from right here:

"Austrailans [sic] worked their way up from what began as a colony of criminals, while Canadians seem content to be governed by one." (KM)

"Cindy Sheehan is one helluvan annoying asshatty moonbat. That's all I need to say." (Stephen McAllister)

"Being a Winnipegger I know all about Ms [Krista] Erickson. Before becoming a 'journalist' she was a waitress at Wise Guys, which was the IN place to be in the 90s.From what I've heard she was passed around like a joint among bouncers, VIPs and other Winnipeg 'celebs'.She was a stuck-up arrogant bitch then and I have no reason to believe she's changed.Apparently in high school she was worse." [Raskolnikov)

Pecksniff lives, and one of the places he visits regularly is Small Dead Animals.

Dawg, It's true there have been and still are many harsh adjectives to be used up when discussing the leftist hoards, but we are still getting our sea legs in arguing with the PEE Wee Hermans of the world.
We are simply unused to dealing with the jejune.
We will soon move past the moonbat ID phase and be willing only to discuss the issues which is what most on the right have always been available to do.
So, please forgive those of us who still cannot always resist the urge to hurle an occasional insult. I am surprised you are so taken with insults from knuckle-draggers though. I would have though it would have no effect on a big brain and most sophisticated person as yourself.

Dawg confuses political ideology with the cultures they emerge from. He also misses the point. I'm not talking about the background chatter of average citizens who have no voice outside a vote.

My argument is directed at those who lead the political debate - columnists, politicians, talking heads, everyday media - who throw these cultural perjoratives our way every day. These are the people who set the rules - where "raghead" is verbotten, but "redneck" is the stuff of CBC comedy. Where Republican presidents are derided as "cowboy" - as though "cowboy" is an insult. The cultures that are protected by the umbrella of political correctness are the treasured pets of the left - while those associated with the right continue to be derided and ridiculed without hesitation.

jason it isn't backward thinking it's 'sustainable thinking' while they have extinctionist thinking.

It's obvious what is better for the country, no?

And Albertans have names for Ontario voters like "lemming" etc. Maybe if Albertans showed respect to Ontarians they would return the favor.

Duke: "So, please forgive those of us who still cannot always resist the urge to hurle an occasional insult. I am surprised you are so taken with insults from knuckle-draggers though. I would have though it would have no effect on a big brain and most sophisticated person as yourself."

You are correct. Such insults do not affect me in the least. They are a hallmark of Right discourse (check out the current obsession with Cindy Sheehan, for example, and try to separate the wheat from that mountain of chaff), and I tend to zone them out. What did have its effect, though, was the sheer effrontery, given how rightists routinely talk of their opponents, of calling for propriety. Breathtaking. Simply breathtaking.

Kate: "Dawg confuses political ideology with the cultures they emerge from."

How so?

"He also misses the point. I'm not talking about the background chatter of average citizens who have no voice outside a vote.My argument is directed at those who lead the political debate - columnists, politicians, talking heads, everyday media - who throw these cultural perjoratives our way every day."

A few examples would add heft to this assertion. No national commentators I know of throw around such pejoratives. But this cry of pain, from someone who enjoys the insulting words of individuals like O'Reilly and Malkin? Come on, Kate, give it a rest. You're on shaky ground here, and you know it.

Dawg,

You just convinced me that you don't understand a thing Kate says.

Please visit rabble.ca and wallow there.

Duke

Respect is something which is earned. The "lemming" term would refer to the tendency that voters of Ontario have voted with their hearts rather than their heads. The headlines today indicate that Ontario is looking at falling into have-not status with all the gifts that Ontario has - proximity to the large eastern US market, the prevalence of the auto jobs in Canada, and large mineral wealth. I don't have ANY explanation for the repeat elections of Mel Lastman in TO. Mind you, the continued re-election of Anne Mclellan in Edmonton fits that same category.

Certainly, the left have misused the word 'hate' as if the rest of Canada actually hated certain regions of the country in an attempt to covet sympathy. However, without question the terms cowboy, Nazi, KKK member, and troglodyte is quickly used to smear others.

Ahem... Some quotes from the Dawg:

"That cranky organ of the "pro-life" movement, LifeSite News, takes on the environmental movement this week, passing on a bizarre meme rocketing around right-wing brainpans these days"
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2005/08/ddt-and-rights-eco-lies-that-cranky.html

"I raise this here because this is such a classic example of right-wing strategy that it needs to be enshrined. Called on their racism, all these conservatives have to say is, "I know you are, but what am I?" Ditto for all the other forms of bigotry that they wear like brands on their foreheads, which no doubt explains their cheesy baseball caps and their refusal to look you in the eye."

and, this one's the best:

"To hear these knuckle-draggers tell it, the Left is anti-Semitic, racist, sexist, homophobic, you name it. We're probably going to burn crosses on people’s lawns this long weekend, instead of going on Gay Pride marches like "Conservative UAW Guy." What's behind this looking-glass world these Flintstone characters live in?"
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2005/07/hypocritical-wind-breaks-from-south_29.html

Methinks it's time for the little dawgie to slink back to his little house with his tail between his legs...

Dr.Dawg - check these out:

http://tinyurl.com/e3po8
http://tinyurl.com/clevs
http://tinyurl.com/9lw84
http://tinyurl.com/9yu8q

Another example of the lefts illogic is political correctness. I believe it is Voltaire who said "I disagree with everything you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it." sic.
A fine, noble, even liberal thesis. PC is the antithesis of this. PC says "I disagree with everything you say, shut the f*** up."

Regarding 'legislative empowerment'; let's supose I, a stature chalenged white male contend that my life is not complete unless I can slam dunk a basketball. I am, I contend a second class citizen, bereft, a vessel half full. Let us suppose enough of my fellows call upon the legislature/judiciary to end my pain. They, in their mumnificent good wisdom agree to lower the net through legislation. Does that mean I can slam dunk a basketball?
The idea that empowerment can come from the legilative pen is absurd. Life is full of disapointments. Get over it. Therein lies the path to empowerment.

"There's not a lot of room for Red Tories in a party with a lot of red necks." - Scott Brison, on the evening of the last federal election

As you know, he was punished for this slur by Paul Martin being appointed a cabinet minister, and not a single media pundit questioned his choice of words.

oopsie, almost forgot the most important quotes of all:

"collective hypocrisy scales the dizzying heights with this one."

and

"Incidentally, I challenge anyone to find phrases over at my place such as those mentioned in the article."

I love it when moonbats ask for the light of truth to be shined upon them... It makes for some good humor.

The Canadian left (the activist wing which I refer to as protagonists of cultural Marxism) have essentially shut down debate, dissenting opinion, diversity of opinion/ideology, have become intolerant of nonconformity....and, for all intents and purpose, has killed freedom of speech, belief and conscience. They have done this with PC ( political correctness) which is an old soviet Stalinist era tool used to force conformity of thought, speech and behavior. They have engineered public institutions that are similarly single minded and devoid of balance or diversity in opinion and thought….organs of the single party, single political paradigm state…a political utopia premised on total conformity to dogmatic political fundamentalism.

For the past 20 years it is not so much leftist ideals and policy that has gored the Right of center population, but the fact that BALANCE has all but vanished from opinion, ideas and policy in the media, public debate, government operation and our public institutions.

The institution of parliamentary democracy is premised on balance on diverse opinion in a confrontational exchange of ideas to arrive at a compromise. The degenerated political institution we have now uses closure, and majority rule to stifle debate and avoid compromise....intolerance of diversity of though, dissent and ideology are cornerstones of the conformity demanded by the single party, monocratic state.

Democracy and civil freedom cannot survive a single party, monophilosophic, conformist state.

Centrists and those right of center better realize the playing field has been reconstructed to disallow diversity of opinion in our so called democratic institutions...with a single party state Jurocracy in charge of the final say in "balance" there is little hope for the existent status quo political vehicles to yank the nations politics and institutions back to polyphilosophic tolerance and balance.

Alternate media and civil vehicles are needed to undo the damage of single party state deconstructionism of the past 30 years. Unlike America, Canada is not a populist democracy...we are an over regulated elected dictatorship...an oligarchy which may change a political cartel every decade or two when the old regime wishes to retire.

In this scenario where 30 odd years of centralized restructuring of Confederation has concentrated political power in the hands of the few insulated insiders and subjugated all our institutions to their patronage, it will take nothing less than confederal/constitutional crisis to usher in change. Canada's political systems and governing system are so grossly monolithic constitutional/democratic change is at a stalemate and only vast political/social upheaval will crack those iron clad strictures.

Well, Kate, since when is Scott Brison an opinion-maker? I thought you were talking about Left and Right discourses; then you said you were talking about MSM people--now it's politicians? Want me to dredge up Jim Pankiw? Come on.

Evans assiduouly unearths a few old posts of mine. The first example refers to no individual, and uses none of the epithets Kate is waxing furious about. Ditto the second, when Conservative Union Guy and I were having some fun with each other--check out his website and see if I wasn't being restrained, even decorous, in dealing with a fellow whose stock-in-trade is spewing insults. I gave back what I got, with a little humour, too.

The third, bless me, does use the word "knuckle-dragger" from the same post. But readers here, before racing to accuse me of the very hypocrisy I was going on about, should read the whole exchange on our respective sites. Besides, I wasn't referring to either Albertans or to Westerners generally.

Finally, check out Evans' own site for classic examples, far too numerous to mention, of precisely that discourse of invective and namecalling to which I was referring.

Now, I don't mind the odd slanging-match. But that's a far cry from claiming piously that it's only the Left that does the slanging. It's that claim that continues to amaze me, particularly because examples of this in the mainstream media are so thin on the ground that Kate is reduced to quoting a Liberal politician when called on it.

Candace, I've checked out your four references, and I'm not sure what you're getting at. The first was a Google search for the word "redneck." I've never denied that the word is used, but look at your own findings: many of them are self-consciously ironic ("Redneck Derby," etc.) The second and third are a search for "knuckle-dragger" and "knuckle-dragging" that kind of prove my point: on the entire Internet, all of three references to the first, and twenty-four to the second, are to be found! The fourth is a search for "Christian fundamentalist." Is that phrase supposed to be an insult of some kind? Christian fundamentalists don't think so.

Duke you left out that you can hang at rabble at the governments expense.

How much do they give your knuckledragging blog that I enjoy Kate?

And remember slurs against right wingers you will hear on the MSM's and the web. Will any MSM's say how unhealthy homosexuality is.

Christians have been lumped into the fundamentalist category, Dr.Dawg, if you haven't noticed. Christian-bashing in general is an accepted practice in the MSM. It's not always the words used as the tone.

And Dr. Dawg, you challenged that those terms were not used in the MSM. Three times or three hundred, what's the difference? Your statement was incorrect.

I see we're seeing the host of minions pile-on, as per usual. That's what Kate loves in her minions - they're so gallant.

Coming up with bunch of examples of when lefties use potty-mouth doesn't prove any kind of point. The only point that the Right Wing fails to acknowledge (even though they know it's true) is that when Michelle Malkin writes an entire book on the joys of interning the Japanese, or when Ann Coulter thinks brown people should be subject to forced conversions, or when former-Christian Pat Roberston calls for the assassination of foreign leaders, people with integrity are quite justified in calling them bad words. Don't like it? Too bad - so sad.

Here's a tissue for you. I've got more if the crying just won't stop.

Candace: "And Dr. Dawg, you challenged that those terms were not used in the MSM. Three times or three hundred, what's the difference? Your statement was incorrect."

I said nothing of the kind. Anywhere. What are you going on about? This is what I did say: "No national commentators I know of throw around such pejoratives." Your Googling didn't turn up national MSM commentators--at least, I didn't find any.

Incidentally, Ti-Guy, just a minor point, but for me an important one: I don't do the "potty-mouth" stuff, either at my blog or in the Comments section of other blogs.

Funny....

It must be galling for the Left to take a hard look at itself and note that if you strip away the actaul arguement and postions both left and conservative sides sink to the same level of intolerance of others veiwpoints.

hehehe here's another quote by the Dawg:

"Called on their racism, all these conservatives have to say is, "I know you are, but what am I?" - taken from one of the above segments.

And then the dawgie goes on to say: "Finally, check out Evans' own site for classic examples, far too numerous to mention, of precisely that discourse of invective and namecalling to which I was referring." - also taken from one of the above segments...

I'm sorry but did that just sound like a whole lot of "I know you are but what am I"??? Hmmm?

Now Dawg, we all know that I use the tacticts of the left when I deconstruct them. I make no bones about it. Hell, I enjoy it. I operate in the exact manner Kate's referencing in this post. In fact, de-constructing your arguments here is a prime example.

To use your own words, you asserted the following:

"Incidentally, I challenge anyone to find phrases over at my place such as those mentioned in the article."

I did as you requested and proved you wrong. It didn't take very long either. I didn't have to do alot of digging.

No, arguing about context won't help because you didn't cite "context" within the posts in question.

Come to think of it, based on what you've written, you should probably consider renouncing your cultural and intelectual bigotry...

Evans: " 'Incidentally, I challenge anyone to find phrases over at my place such as those mentioned in the article.'

"I did as you requested and proved you wrong. It didn't take very long either. I didn't have to do alot of digging.

"No, arguing about context won't help because you didn't cite 'context' within the posts in question."

You searched my site, found no "red-neck," no "Bible-basher," and one instance of "knuckle-dragger" that was not directed at Westerners. I congratulate you on your research. It's your conclusions that need a little more work.

But do keep reading over at my place. You might learn something.

Let's test the alleged tolerance of the left by voicing open dissent to:

1) Legitimizing homosexual lifestyles as "normal"

2) The ghettoization and reverse racism of Multi-cult "group" profiling and official discriminating.

3) The injustice of affirmative action catering to racial/ethnic profiling for job placement or to denote "worth".

4) Open examination of any Lib-left sacrosanct social policy such as civilian disarmament, open immigration, national security, or single tier health care.

We all have experienced the left's attempt to discuss these openly and honestly by engaging in personal attacks on their opponents and perceived ideological dissenters..it's a well documented fact...and now this mindset is what drives the "we don't want to discuss that at all/anymore" single mindedness of the MSM and any politicized public institution...prominent among these are the schools and federal service.

It was not the so-called right that instituted the concept of "zero tolerance" of non-criminal speech, thought or action.

The left has had it's way with policy for decades because opposition was too engaged in economics rather than social policy...now that the left's opposition is taking them on in their sacred social engineering policies, they are becoming virulent and shutting down debate.

Here's the bottom line for the collective left to understand and commit to all your thinking:

A large portion of the population disagree with you, you are not always right, or morally/ethically superior and calling people names who question your policies/ideology will only send more converts to the opposition`....so please, keep up the nasty, arrogant, hubris in your rhetoric, it makes 1000s of converts a day.

Dawg,

I see you last comments here were very defensive. This is a good sign, but you try to defend the undensible as most on the left do daily.
Drag queen transvestites in Toronto ... good
Talented modest Miss Universe in Toronto ... .bad
This example alone tell me that .. to quote Charleton Heston in Planet of Apes ... "this world is upside down". Courtesay of the Left.
This kind of insanity is indefensible no matter how many Toronto Liberals endorse it.

You are all so angry with the us because, finally, the right has taken it's nose from the grindstones that fund the lunacy and started to slap you all back down to some level reality. The fight has only just begun .... get ready Dawgie boy. The gruel in the trough should start to thin very soon as I sees it.

The knuckle-dragging angry folk who do the heavy lifting (Dare I say .. mostly white folks with good solid protentant work ethics and real patriotism for the once great Canada) have sore backs and they are getting cranky. It's the kind of thing that really upset the child when the parent has 'had it' and decided to send you to your room. We expect the tantrums and holding your breath untill you turn blue doesn't bother me a bit. Fel free to hold it until you are blue and COLD!

And by the by ... great post WLM your political windex wipes clean!

Again, forgive my typos I don't have time to edit. I work for a living.

From Fred Reed of FredOnEveryThing.Net:

"Rednecks: The Virtues Thereof (Excerpt)
Cornell As Evolutionary Miscalculation

There is a lot of snot and malice about rednecks on the internet. Most of it comes from such cornflowers and honeysuckles as college professors, other witless suburban nonentities, and assorted twits (I think he means you Ti-guy! - Anon.)in cities. By “redneck,” these bundles of intellectual lingerie seem to mean anyone without a college degree who can hang a door or lube his car.

Tell you about rednecks. They’re probably the only people in the whole country that ain’t unfit. What used to be Davy Crockett’s country today is full mostly of folk who can’t do anything for themselves. They call someone else to fix the plumbing, shoot the burglar, gap their plugs, build their houses, get their kids off drugs. If the cat dies they need a pet-loss grief-management counselor. From a redneck’s point of view, the United States is turning fast into people like those nasty white grubs that nekkid savages in New Guinea eat, only with legs.
...
What happens is, most people grow up helpless in some suburb. It isn’t their fault. They have to wear helmets and life-preservers to walk around the block and probably adult diapers and if they are boys they like as not get estrogen injections so they won’t be. They can’t wrestle or play dodge ball because it’s violent. They can’t play Cowboys and Engines because it’s insensitive. Then they get a job in some office fiddling with forms. And that’s all they do. Ever.

A redneck has a life, lots of times anyway. A buddy of mine grew up in a tough section of a Yankee city, where the deciding factor in a philosophical discussion was a good right hook. He went to Viet Nam for a couple of tours in spec ops, spent ten years in the fishing fleets of Alaska, and retired as a fireman-EMT. He knows motorcycles, scuba, and NASCAR.

A man like that has some depth to him. He knows what life is. He has seen it."

More examples:

"Bev Desjarlais. NDP MP. Homophobe"
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2005/06/give-bev-desjarlais-heave-bev.html

"Closer to home, inveterate rightwing Bible-thumper Kathy Shaidle, in an article quaintly entitled "The United States is the greatest force for good the world has ever known,"

[Notice how, earlier, Dawg said: "You searched my site, found no "red-neck," no "Bible-basher," and one instance of "knuckle-dragger" that was not directed at Westerners. "red-neck,"? Yeah, that was funny in light of the above quote]

and

"Parliament may as well bow to the inevitable: being homosexual doesn't make you a second-class citizen, whatever assorted bishops, evangelists and neo-Nazis think, if "think" is the right word to use here."
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2005/06/fangs-and-wags-this-will-be-irregular.html

"What should we expect? Well, no priests or nuns, because they're not normal by any standard definition of the term. Celibate, given all day to prayer and political activity, wearing the uniforms of their trade, we are not dealing with averages, medians and majorities here."
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2005/06/normal-ones-touting-sic-red-and-white.html

Perhaps the dawgie should quit while he's ahead...

The CBC, our beloved national broadcaster and bringer of news stories, speaks of diversity but does not practice it.

Someone please name a prominent newscaster that is "conservative at our beloved taxpayer-funded institution".

To say that the MSM is unbiased is preposterous. Diversity indeed, unless your a knuckle-dragger (i.e. someone a socialist disagrees with).

Of course, the CBC is but example from many that I could have used.

Good one anonlogue.
I am a machinist, musician, scuba diver, motorcycle rider (former builder), very good cook, dabble with photography, build web sites, have taught computer literacy, work out with weights twice a week still at age 62 .
Have never been on the dole but have been unemployed and homeless in the distant pass .. I didn't feel sorry for myself, I learned to make better choices. I have been married for 30years to a self reliant conservative woman with a great career.
I do all the cooking and a lot of the housework. I work at home so it's convenient but she does her share of other house work too. I have been self employed all my life in various areas of music from performer to presently a repair tech for wind instruments. Machinist skills help with this trade. Musical instruments are mechanical devices.

I intimidate most liberal men I meet because they realize immediately how unfulfilled they are with their paper shuffle jobs and a bit of golf on the week-end and not much else to show for their time.

We have become a weakling dumb shit society full of fat useless office workers and union members. This is the result of the feminization of our society and the new found "rights" to everything one can imagine. Liberalism has truly taken a toll on the quality of humans in our society.

If the think veneer of civility ever comes off of this fragile society, rednecks will suddenly become respectful as they are the only ones who know how to do anything including fighting enemies for real.

I didn't get a formal higher education for which I am thankful. I retained the ability to think for myself. To quote Isaac Asimov "the only real education is self-education" All one really needs is the abililty to read. If you can read you can learn to do anything else.

Okay .. now I really have to get back to work. Good think I am self employed, I am not cheating my employer out of anything.

Yawn. When Alberta finally does separate, and Manitoba, Saskatchewan and BC choose to join them, maybe we should put up a virtual border, the kind the US is planning to do right now, just so we can, you know, keep track of all these dimwits from Ontario east. I'm talking about the ones that keep the Liberals in power.

Oh, and isn't it funny how Ontario is urging Alberta to "be fair" with all that oil money. I read today where they are worried about increasing costs of energy for Ontario businesses. Perhaps they should think about giving them some tax breaks like Alberta will probably do. With the prospect of no GST or PST, along with lower corporate and personal income taxes that some in Alberta politics are already talking about, I guess I can understand why Ontario is getting the jitters. Ottawa may just have to start taxing all those tax-free foundations based in Ontario that their friends set up under the Liberal government over the last several years.

I'm going out for a hike in the woods. Gotta wear some of these calluses off my knuckles. They're starting to affect my typing.

I think we need to remember that we are at war with one another. Our goal is to defeat the other side - democratically of course. We Conservatives are going to have to stop thinking that we are just nice folks from mostly non Ontario/Quebec regions and get down in the trenches and take them on with their own methods. Call the liberal politicians and liberal media out on every occasion. Formally demand explanations when they use words like "redneck", "bible-thumper", and "knuckedragger". Make them review their writings in the daylight of their own understanding and standards. It is the responsibility of all conservatives, not just the party leadership, conservative politicians and strategists to do this. Let’s go on the offensive and look for opportunities to call them out and not just accept that "That's how THEY play politics." Let’s steal some plays from their playbook and use them ourselves. We have nothing to be ashamed of. We did not use illegal adscam money, we did not implement the gun registry, we did not do the HRDC scam, we did not bend over to the NDP to survive. By contrast, the conservatives of Canada are not thieves, involved in proceeds of crime, dithering, anti-religion, liars, manipulators of the truth, and suck-ups. (read Mr. Dithers “I’m sorry” TV speech)
Hey, It’s time to take the liberals on at every turn, they have got away with this for far to long without being accountable.

I see that Quebec is also bitchin about Alberta. The script for the next election is being written as we speak....Alberta will be the punching bag for the Liberals once again. Braindead Ontario and Tribal Quebec will act out their respective roles.

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Repatriate oil by creating national industry
professor: Oil companies deny allegations they fix prices

ALEX DOBROTA
The Gazette

Wednesday, August 24, 2005

"Qualifying the latest surge in gas prices as a robbery, a Montreal accounting professor called on the federal government yesterday to nationalize the oil industry.

"We have to repatriate this resource," said Leo-Paul Lauzon, who holds a chair in social economy at the Universite du Quebec a Montreal.

"Oil companies are making immoral profits on the back of this society."

"There's plenty of oil to be had," Lauzon said.

"But the companies are voluntarily reducing the offer to increase the price."

Wearing running shoes, a white shirt and a tie bearing the logo, "Save our planet," Lauzon spoke loudly at times, animated by his admiration for the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, a coup leader who uses his country's oil reserves as a political bargaining chip.

"Sometimes, you have to shake things up," said Lauzon, who already has been touted by the NDP as a potential candidate in the riding of Outremont.

The closest Canada has come to such a measure was in 1980, when Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau implemented the New Energy Program amid the 1980s oil crisis.

Asked yesterday whether he thought a nationalization program would create a similar backlash in Alberta, Lauzon simply responded: "I don't give a damn about what Albertans think."

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/montreal/story.html?id=e64c70d2-a982-4e99-aedc-6dd87f9b2306

Don't know whether y'all have seen the new Tory ads, but they poke fun at the Librano smear campaign by being excruciatingly transparent: they're being filmed while reading cue cards, etc. John Ivison, a Scottish lefty as is their wont, mocks them in today's NP. But there's no place for the Libs/left to hide after these run. They poke fun at the earnestness/hypocrisy of the Libs/NDP. Any bets on whether there's a deal between Martin & Layton to force an election pre Gomery with more money going to Layton's pet causes in return for their co-operation. Being left in Canada means never saying you're responsible for your own actions, and we are all victims of things conservative.

Decided to take one last peek at this excellent post before heading out the door. Glad I did.

GL. Comments like this idiot is making will be the final straw that breaks the camel's back for Alberta. Glad he said it. Some of us could hear another National Energy Program coming a couple years ago. Talk like this is really dangerous for Canada. Albertans will never put up with another National Energy Program. Never. Any Alberta politician who even hints at accepting anything remotely resembling the National Energy Program will be tarred and feathered, even before leaving office.

His comment "I don't give a damn about what Albertans think." is especially telling.

Like I said, glad he's getting the press. Keep these stupid comments coming.

I think it's a myth that Ontario is going to go Liberal again. There is strong broad based support all across Ontario and though I'm aware recent polls indicate otherwise I think it's absurd to believe that the Liberals are going to get 44.7% of the Ontario vote in an election to be called within 30 days of an inquiry of how they laudered money and stole public funds to cheat in elections, twice.

If you look at it riding by riding at one of the electionprediction.org sites you get a clearer idea of how The Liberals are screwed in Ontario, particularly Eastern Ontario, come next election, despite the ridicuous spin every day in The Globe.

I think The Libs will blow their plurality in a few TO ridings (IF they can get The Ethnic Vote to vote for their gay marriage agenda, and I'm still unconvinced that's the case). Hopefully when the writ is dropped the CPC will have a comprehensive platform which addresses Alberta's and Ontario's beefs and Harper will be hammering Martin all day, every day on the $23 billion Confederation Tax Ontarians pay.

As an Ottawa Senator fan whose head is still asploding from yesterday's trade I can see how easy it is to mistake patience and discipline for inaction or stupidity; maybe Harper hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt but I believe he's going to launch a solid platform when the time is right and we as CPC supporters all gotta chill instead of incessantly navel gazing.

My view is that Stevie Harper is Canada's last best chance, that if the Liberals get re-elected all bets are off. For The West, Ontario is not your full on enemy - yet - but the battleground for the Last Stand for the Canada many of us c(C)onservative folks believe in. Don't give up on Ontario yet; in only a few more months we'll know one way or another.

"Maybe if Albertans showed respect to Ontarians they would return the favor."

Criminals (a.k.a. Ontarians) don't get start getting respect back until they can demonstrate that they have reformed their behavior over a sufficiently long period of time.

Keep reading, Dick. As I say, you might learn something.

Calling someone who actually runs a far-right religious blogsite a "Bible-thumper" isn't particularly out of bounds--no stereotypes there. But calling ordinary Westerners "Bible-thumpers," or indeed any other generic pejorative, is wrong. I don't do it.

I'm not above being insulting at times, and indeed, reading your posts and those of "Duke. David Duke" I feel more of that coming on. But I don't dismiss Westerners out of hand as "Bible-thumpers" or "rednecks" or anything else. Which is what I thought this thread was about. The original claim--that MSM commentators call Westerners names--has yet to be proven.

So, how's about you demonstrate your awesome research skills to back up Kate's point, hmm? All she's been able to dig up is one fatuous Liberal politician.

In the meantime, I'll confess to using pejoratives on occasion. In the context in which I used them, I don't believe I have anything to apologize for.

Nevertheless, strictly speaking, I was incorrect, and you were not, with respect to my not using insulting terms. I should have been more careful, not in avoiding such terminology on occasion where it is warranted, but in providing context here. Mea culpa.

The great divide between left and right is based on the unshakeable belief by those on the left that the highest form of expression for any society is the government they choose. They believe that all individuals within that society should subjugate themselves entirely to that governing body. The worst enemy of these believers is the independent, free thinking individual who refuses to follow all the rules as laid down by this government. In their "holier than thou" way of thinking no restrictions on their ability to castigate the unbelievers should be tolerated, ergo anything goes if you are trying to herd these "cats" back into fold of the all powerful, all knowing and uninpeachable "Big Government". The trouble is that it won't work because "cats" can not be herded. Try reading some John Stuart Mill on the rights and responsibilities of an individual within a society and the rights and responsibilities of that society toward the individuals in it. This website gives a good introduction to his writings. http://www.bartelby.com/130/

The first step ro taking a right turn is getting honest with oneself. Soon you will be seeing the phonienss and foolishness of the Left's thinking and join the real world ... nice to seee you starting to fess up ...... Dawg.

Dawg you suck. You've been exposed as the intolerant biggot you preach against. You may now return to preaching to those Ontario sheep about how the CPC is scary or something.

In more important matters however, I'm an Ontario conservative, and I must admit I am ashamed of my province. According to the Globe we are about to achieve have-not status, as Canada's most populous province and being awash in natural resources and skilled labor. We deserve what we are getting by electing retards (yes, an insult, and I am not denying or taking it back) like McGuinty and Paul Martin.

I hope Alberta will stand its ground and continue threatening the rest of Canada (that is all the Liberals understand is threats - re Quebec separation), and not let itself be pushed around. Once Ontario understands that it's equalization cheque comes from those bible-thumpers, than maybe they will be paying more attention to them.

"The great divide between left and right is based on the unshakeable belief by those on the left that the highest form of expression for any society is the government they choose."

Where do you guys dig up these sonorous but meaningless bits of rhetoric?

I would have thought the highest form of expression for any society is its values. These get expressed in everyday life, and in art, in language, in gesture.

A government is just a government. Again, what's the source of this bizarre observation? What is it based on?

dawg: it's based on what a rationnal intelligent person would conclude based on the left's behavior for the last 20 or 30 years.

Just a quick response to Dawg on my general policy here - I don't typically engage in the comments section at SDA very much. (Indeed, I let some threads run without reading them at all.)

If I have an opinion on a topic, I prefer to say my piece, and let people run with it, moderating or adding clarification if I think it's necessary. Only rarely to I engage fully in any followup debate - mostly because I don't have time.

There is no middle ground here. Retire to your respective lines and fix bayonets. No surrender. No retreat. No prisoners.

Kate: "If I have an opinion on a topic, I prefer to say my piece, and let people run with it, moderating or adding clarification if I think it's necessary. Only rarely to I engage fully in any followup debate - mostly because I don't have time."

Fair enough. I seem to have more than usual today. But don't you think that writing a piece that is lacking a few of the floorboards is a little too much akin to Usenet trolling? [No need to answer that. :)]

Dawg wrote: "I would have thought the highest form of expression for any society is its values."

Values? Please tell me you are kidding. I can't even begin to list how far the Liberals have wandered from any concept of values. I laugh. Shattering the institution of marriage is a value? Stealing taxpayer money to keep itself in power is a value?

A government that rules by theft (....) will never have my "values" vote.

Good points Kate. However, I would note that anyone using those terms "Red Neck" "Bible Thumper" in the media in the US (now or in the past) would immediately be ostracized. So this begs the question--who is actually more civilized in public discourse and debate? The answer is Americans.

So I have taken to emphasizing the point among my friends and aquaintances this way. If they ever refer to anyone as a "Red Neck" or "Bible Thumper" I reply with "and does that make you a collectivist Commie bootlick that would turn your mother into the secret police for the glory of the party?"

They are usually completely stunned.

OT here is an absolute gem from Scrapple Face.

Leak: Draft of Bush Answer to Cindy Sheehan

What a fabulously entertaining thread this has been to fill my knuckle draggin' red-necked, support for gay marriage (oops!) day. REally good stuff. Dr. Dawg, while I disagree with a large amount of what you say, I gotta respect your tenacity when you're outnumbered and getting whacked with sledge hammers all day. Hang in there. At the very least you've encouraged a lot of thinking people to respond.

And Short Temper - you've got it right. The only thing to do is to call "them" on it every time, every occasion. MY hands get held to the fire when I say stupid or just plain incorrect things. Gotta grant the same to everyone else, in the name of diversity of course.

'Nationalize the oil industry' - wow; that essentially means to put it in the complete control of the Liberal-Cartel. Not the people of Canada - the Liberal-Cartel oligarchy. It would actually mean 'taking it from the people of Canada'. This is a preview of the election agenda.

First, this individual defines profit as 'immoral'. [UQAM, where this Liberal works, by the way, is a strong centre of Quebec separatism, though this doesn't mean that this particular professor is a 'separatiste'..but..I think this is a first arrow in the Liberal election tactics.

Why are profits immoral???? Without profits you can't INVEST; you are doomed to live hand-to-mouth!
But, as has been pointed out, the election campaign has started. First the G-G selection, to show to Quebecers that the Liberals are, deep down, 'genuine Quebecois' and are, in their hearts of darkness, really really Quebecois.
Now - it will be to define the West, both to others and to Westerners, as 'greedy', 'unCanadian', immoral and so on. The Liberals have nothing to lose, they think, by setting up the Evil Ones in Canada, as the West. I think the Liberal tactic in this election will try to split the people of the West, into turning against themselves, with one group set up as 'unCanadians'..who want to separate and who want their oil..and 'Canadians'.

Dr. Dawg - I'm puzzled. I haven't read through all posts carefully, but surely YOU aren't saying 'A government is just a government'. That's a totally meaningless statement. An apple is an apple. A bird is a bird. Hmmm.

You know, the Attributes of that Government might, just might, differentiate governments from each other. I think that an oligarchy is different from a democracy. Don't you? Or, are governments just governments...

I also strongly disagree with you that the values of a society..are 'expressed in everyday life and in art, in language, in gesture'. That's equally without meaning.
The values of a society will most certainly be expressed in its INFRASTRUCTURE - such as its economic system, its political system, its social infrastructures and so on. Is it a market economy or welfare state? Is it a democracy or oligarchy? And so on...

The secondary communicative systems, such as language, will just communicate those values embedded in the infrastructure. That's all they do.

That's why you can change your social values (e.g., from having a country run as a democracy to having a country run as a fascist dictatorship)..and still talk about those two different values using the SAME language!! Heck - you can even use the SAME gestures! And, gosh, you'll even go to the same everyday life corner store! But- your social values will be dramatically different.

So- secondary systems..are just that. Secondary. I'd suggest that it's the infrastructures that one should focus on to discover the real nature of a society.

Here's a passage directly lifted from one of Dr. Dawg's posts in this thread:

"Evans: " 'Incidentally, I challenge anyone to find phrases over at my place such as those mentioned in the article.'

"I did as you requested and proved you wrong. It didn't take very long either. I didn't have to do alot of digging.

"No, arguing about context won't help because you didn't cite 'context' within the posts in question."

You searched my site, found no "red-neck," no "Bible-basher," and one instance of "knuckle-dragger" that was not directed at Westerners. I congratulate you on your research. It's your conclusions that need a little more work.

Dawg is actually attempting to be manipulative here. He's hoping that no one will take the time to seriously, critically examine his claims, allegations, accusations, taunts and attempts at baiting us for any subtle errors of logic or sly hair-splitting or any weakness at all. I believe that Dawg is an extraordinarily intelligent individual, actually. Wait, let me continue, please, as being intelligent doesn't preclude one from being wrong or from lying or anything like that.

Dawg, while obviously possessing formidable debating skill and decent English writing command, also is extraordinarily arrogant, insofar as he sincerely believes he is right and we are wrong; that the "left" is right and good and the "right" is wrong and bad and that that is the nature of things. He also couldn't care less to pursue truth and understand the real world (outside of imposed leftist dogmatic "reality") and how things actually work and don't work. Such is the nature of arrogance and dogmatism, traits which we know to belong to the "left" as slithery is a trait we know to belong to a snake.

He seeks out argument for argument's sake; the longer the better-- he simply wishes to taunt and belittle those who have a divergent point of view, namely us conservatives who refuse to be told what to think and how to live, into pursuing neverending, pointless, useless argument to the point we'll either get dazzled enough to concede defeat when we're not defeated or to put a stop to it, in which case we'll be accused of forfeiting. He is clearly prejudiced against conservatives, who are independent enough to refuse to join his "liberal" apparatchik brethren. He's galled that we dare say we won't submit to assimilation into his collective, Borg-style, and will resist to the death (fortunately, we know resistance is NOT futile). We have had enough time now to realize the left has been lying to us all these years. The MSM is lying. The gov't is lying. The courts are lying. All branches of the Liberal state apparatus are lying as part of the collective and cannot break out of this glassy-eyed, nonthinking state.

Guess what? WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO DR DAWG. We already know the truth, and that's all that matters. WE KNOW. We don't have to worry about him any more than we have to worry about any other left-wing extremist. We're not trying to convert left-wing extremists who haven't the ability to think for themselves anyway. They're going to remain in the "liberal" collective as it's just too damn comfortable to leave and it's the only life they've ever known. Ordinary folks will come to see the truth day by day and come join us on their own after thinking for themselves and exercising free will.

Oh, and as for the proof that Dawg has been caught wrong in the lifted passage above: he claims that SPECIFIC-TO-THE-ARTICLE words were not found, therefore Evans has not caught Dawg with his pants down. But Dawg apparently has his own ideas as to the definition of the word "such". You see, if you look it up, and I did, it can mean "like" or "similar" and doesn't necessarily mean "exact", "identical", "specific", or "the same". Evans indeed found such words as found in the article, therefore he's right and Dawg's wrong, but naturally will say some fancy crap to make it sound otherwise, as is his modus operandi. Probably learned it from "Slick Willy" Bill Clinton's playbook. Remember the assinine implication he made that "is" has more than one meaning?

To close for the moment, the article provided by Kate and Kate's subsequent comments in her original posting are eloquent words which say what I've been trying to elucidate these past few months since I first came onto SDA. We now understand that the left is wrong, is lying, is intolerant, cheats, bullies, and conspires as one huge network to hold onto and abuse power to enrich themselves at the expense of others. This is the sort of thing that historically has led to all kinds of revolutions. Ours will be political, social and democratic. We are the ones who understand from life and from history what works and how.

It's our turn. Let's roll!

um... to Dawg's credit, he did admit that he was caught...

Ah, right. I forgot the little part where he did. Nevertheless, he was caught and at first tried to squirm his way out of it by splitting hairs. Not all "liberals" will admit to a screw-up.

Paule Martime is "playing" 'El Presidento' (PM of Canada) right now because his government was killed in the spring of 2005. The fact that MSM still gives him any credability is a bias in itself.
Economically, the money and the resources of this country belong to the people who PRODUCE (not included, as Duke has illistrated, are those who 'go to work' and shuffle papers or scheme ways to get their filthy hands on the money producers earn). In my opinion, 9/10 of government workers should be 'let go' so they can seek more meaningful employment. The obsessive use of government to regulate the production and the profits earned, in the economy , is a sure recipe for mass starvation. What will the 'government(people)' eat when they have robbed the producers of their will to produce? Is that, maybe, what these socialist people want?

Paul Martin is a multi-millionare and he does not pay Canadian taxes on the money he has in his offshore accounts, Jacko Layton live(d)? in subsidized housing for years. These people are "Robber Thugs" of the most egregous elitest nature. Dr. Dawg; Why do you vote for them? Why do you defend them? Why do you defend throwing farmers in jail for selling their own wheat yet defend a Liberano senator who refuses to pay rent on a publically owned building?
Wake up Dawg! The people you support would not support you were not useful to 'them'. The Liberano insider multi millionares of this country do not use state medicare, do not pay taxes, do not drive 'environment friendly cars', do not ride on public transit, do not fly in 50 year old helecopters, do not invite you to dinner.....Dawg, you are at best a 'hanger on' and at worst a political pawn.

Conservatives don't need a political cartoon of a man/woman to worship. We elect politicians to work for producers; solve trade disputes, maintain a strong military (to defend the property OWNED by citizens), maintain diplomates in forein countries (so we know what they are doing) etc. etc. We do not elect politicians to redistribute wealth or to dabble in social engineering. As for immigration we expect our politicians to screen people and accept only those who will be willing and able to get along with the laws supported by the people that have built this country. We don't want 'game playing' with a color test or terrorist renegades. You can learn a lot here, Dawg, but you are probably being paid not to (learn anything). I hope that I am wrong on the last.

Thanks, Steven. Glad to know where to turn to when I need to figure things out since you "already know the truth and that's all that matters", "the left is wrong, is lying, is intolerant, cheats, bullies, and conspires as one huge network to hold onto and abuse power to enrich themselves at the expense of others" and since you are "are the ones who understand from life and from history what works and how". I'm also glad to see you've taken a so very different tactic than what you accuse the left of taking. Your focus on put-downs and insults instead of substance is clearly so very different.

But as much as this group pile-on on whether or not Dr. Dawg in his hundreds of postings or thousands of comments over the last few years has used this bad word or that bad word or a similar bad word or an identical bad word, is mildly interesting bully tactics that Dawg may or may not have brought upon himself, I think the good Dr. Dawg had - way back at the beginning of this simple little dialog - a fairly basic question/point: where's the proof?

Kate has said and many here have repeated and many conservatives repeat the mantra over and over that the mainstream media is biased against them. Kate here is specific: the "advocates in the media casually employ words like "redneck", "bible-thumper" and "knuckledragger" - often as thinly veiled synonyms for "Albertan" or "western"." In her follow-up clarification above she says these are repeated "every day". So I was a little surprised when I flipped through my copy of the National Post, the Globe and Mail and the online version of the Toronto Star to find no such reference (even taking "such" to mean identical or similar, as the good Mr. McAllister is good to point out to us, I found nothing). A Google search was equally unfruitful. Sure the extreme left at rabble.ca are rabble rousers, but they are irrelevant, read only by similar minded and if you are focusing on them as your adversaries, well, the Liberals and the liberals of this land have little to fear from you. Besides, the crap spewed over there is certainly no less extreme or vitriolic than I've read over at the Shotgun and neither exactly counts as the mainstream media. Nor do left-wing bloggers who are no worse than the worst of the right-wing bloggers. So where is this evidence of this vast left wing conspiracy of redneck hatemongering in the media?

Now I don't think everyone on the right is like Ezra Levant who thinks every utterance is somehow a slam against Alberta (eg., column last week where coverage of year-over-year 75% increases in crude prices is Alberta-bashing - hey, Ezra, it's been the lead on FoxNews Special Report for months!), but still, it seems to me that this media conspiracy theory approach is pretty widely held by the extreme left (they're corporate puppets) and the extreme right (they're socialist swine) and their only evidence seems to be that the media doesn't parrot their ideas.

TB
Cerberus

Hey John Crittenden: I can hardly wait to repost this on some Alberta and western separatist chat groups....now as I get this: a Quebec socialist is saying that Ottawa should "nationalize" ( read: steal) Alberta's resources so Quebec can have cheap gas for the RVs/SUVs they buy with their public trough money while Alberta undergoes a second economic depression due to being forced to sell their resources below market value.

This is a scorcher....gotta post some of the commentary ;-)

"Dr. Dawg - I'm puzzled. I haven't read through all posts carefully, but surely YOU aren't saying 'A government is just a government'. That's a totally meaningless statement. An apple is an apple. A bird is a bird. Hmmm."

I'm saying that it is not "the highest expression of a society." It's a bunch of people elected (in Canada" through the bizarre FPTP system by diverse communities to legislate. Beethoven's Fifth? No. MacBeth? Not even close. The hundreds of thousands of little gestures, many unconscious, and the words one uses every day in being social? Nope.

"You know, the Attributes of that Government might, just might, differentiate governments from each other. I think that an oligarchy is different from a democracy. Don't you? Or, are governments just governments..."

I'm not saying there aren't different governments and different forms of government. I'm saying that, when one looks at the "highest expressions of a society," governments by comparison are actually pretty simple things.

"I also strongly disagree with you that the values of a society..are 'expressed in everyday life and in art, in language, in gesture'. That's equally without meaning."

No, you're wrong. That's where the fundamental values of a society, in all of their complexity, are primarily expressed. You aren't suggesting that (for example) Paul Martin in his public life somehow conveys more complexity than all the things I mentioned?

"The values of a society will most certainly be expressed in its INFRASTRUCTURE - such as its economic system, its political system, its social infrastructures and so on. Is it a market economy or welfare state? Is it a democracy or oligarchy? And so on..."

Well, sure, values of a society are expressed in these things. Or not. You wouldn't argue, I'm sure, that Paul Martin (again, for example) represents in his public administration the values of our entire society--would you?

"But as much as this group pile-on on whether or not Dr. Dawg in his hundreds of postings or thousands of comments over the last few years has used this bad word or that bad word or a similar bad word or an identical bad word, is mildly interesting bully tactics that Dawg may or may not have brought upon himself."

Oh, I did, I did. :)

Next time I'll frame the context for such comments, if it doesn't use up too much of Kate's bandwidth. Sheesh. Live. Learn.

TB, you said:

"...(even taking "such" to mean identical or similar, as the good Mr. McAllister is good to point out to us,..."

Go back and read more carefully and slowly. I said:

"...if you look it up, and I did, it can mean "like" or "similar" and doesn't necessarily mean "exact", "identical", "specific", or "the same"."

Hope that helps your understanding.

You also said:

"Your focus on put-downs and insults instead of substance is clearly so very different."

I detected the sarcasm, of course. Well, you see, you are a left-winger, to whom I owe nothing, to whom ordinary conservative citizens owe nothing; people like you have taken from people like me for so long we sure as hell aren't going to kiss your ass any longer. The big party's over. Mommy and Daddy have come home early and seen for themselves the chaos, illegalities and damages you and your wild, intoxicated friends have wrought to the family home. Boy, are you ever going to learn a very, very important lesson! You're not going to like it, but it's your own fault for not thinking it through, not acknowledging possible consequences, and deriving selfish hedonism at the expense of others who have been nothing but good to you for so long. As the responsible adults in the household, it is our duty to lay down the law and force you to right the wrongs you've made and ensure you are motivated to never do wrong again. So if you think that tough love is a put-down or an insult, that makes us very sad and disappointed.

We don't owe you any "substance"; why should we? We've put up with your forcibly imposed dogmatic ideals for far too long. You arrogantly told us to trust that you were right, while never proving that your ideals had substance. You adopted and screamed incessantly many slogans and soundbites and illogical pejoratives whenever we asked legitimate questions or protested your fascism.

No more Mr. Nice guy anymore for us. We know you are liars and we will no longer shut up and let you have everything every way you want it at our expense. We are breaking the shackles that are your intolerance of our differences.

We will make things work again, and for all good citizens, not just us. You don't believe it right now, but someday you'll see that we were right all along.

It's our turn. Let's roll!

Don't know why you accuse me of all of those things. Everyone who doesn't buy into the Vast Left-wing Media Conspiracy is a left-wing nutter, you know. But of course, so much easier to pigeon-hole.

Gotta love your rant though. Perfect meaningless, arrogant, sloganeering without any substance. You've taken Kate's point to heart: use their tactics against them.

SM: "We will make things work again, and for all good citizens, not just us. You don't believe it right now, but someday you'll see that we were right all along." Now where have I heard that before? On rabble? or was it somewhere in the centre of Europe circa 1933?

Pot meet kettle. Left meet your mirror-image.

TB
Cerberus

Stephen, I'm with you. It is our turn. Enough is enough. Liberals be gone.

TB, either you truly don't understand what I was talking about, or you understand precisely and know it's exactly what you've been doing lo so many years but, as is the wont of your sort, you now bluster and pejorate yet again to try to squirm out of the grip of those who only want you to admit to your selfish transgressions which you slyly sugarcoat with warm, fuzzy, beautiful, humanistic terminology.

The jig is up. We are sick and tired of working our asses off day in day out only to send a gargantuan slab of our rightful earnings to your overlords on the Hill only to see you throwing yourselves extravagant parties with it instead of providing the public goods and services as is your duty as administrators of the state, as you promised.

Hey, you in there! Have you yet shat? What? No?! Well, if you're not gonna anyway, get off the pot; I'm prairie-dogging it here, fo' fecksake! Get out now! You've been in there too damn long chokin' yer scrawny li'l chicken while I wait and suffer! Now, dammit!

This is why I hate the CBC. Talented Canadians, unappreciated by the CBC, and ignored completely by non-content-producing private broadcasters, read the comments section at SDA, then head down to the States to write sitcoms lampooning abject stupidity and get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to produce cultural media products that are then exported around the world. This here is a rich, fertile, loamy ground, in which unfathomably hilarious vacuity not only flourishes, but replicates sexually, asexually...or buds, or reproduces through parthenogenesis...or whatever you want to call it...and the CBC simply doesn't recognise it.

We're sitting on a gold mine, people!

The left-leaning defenders of the PC faith have missed the point.

The fact that the word "redneck" is used at all in formal media and by politicians validates my argument. If my case were not sound, this post would not have been necessary, for the words "redneck" or "knuckledragger" would produce such outrage from all sides that it would never be uttered in polite society.

You do not hear pundits on Question Period or CBC radio use "nigger" when referring to the culture that spawns gang violence in Toronto. You don't see them use "chink" when speaking of the Chinese, You witnessed what happened when a Conservative MP referred to Japanese soldiers as "Japs". One doesn't hear talking heads use the word "kike" or "ragheads" when discussing problems in the middle east - and rightfully so. One can criticize cultural shortfallings without the use of dehumanizing terminology.

But you hear cultural slurs like "redneck" spouted in the mainstream media and by elected politicians with impunity, even though it's used in an identical fashion as those aforementioned, officially forbidden, cultural perjoratives. The sole reason that sanctions do not exist for terms that smear conservative values is that they are highly useful to the left.

It's really no more complicated than that.

TB, wrote: "Now where have I heard that before? On rabble? or was it somewhere in the centre of Europe circa 1933?"

There's another example of your extreme, uncalled-for ad hominems which you pull out of your pants whenever you have been confronted with the steaming evidence of the stinking mess you just made.

Don't try to distance yourself from the ultra-far left. You know you're allied with them within the network of the sociopolitical left. You give them our tax dollars to keep them going and they, in turn, viciously slander and dehumanize us, your political counterparts and fellow Canadian citizens. We don't deserve to be treated like a piece of what the neighbor's dog deposited upon your beautifully-manicured lawns.

You just proved Kate right. You "Liberals". Invoking one of history's most terrible events of all for use against those who stand for truth and goodness and equality and fairness. You exploit the horrible suffering of millions of innocents for political gain. It is your sort today who has not learned from history, nor have you any respect for "Never again". Maybe not you personally, but many members of your leftist brethren, as seen, for example, in Kristallnacht at Concordia. You persist in retaining membership within that network of loosely-allied but nevertheless conspiring anencephalic left-wing extremists and selfish "liberals".

We owe you no apology. We owe you nothing. All we want is to have our equal rights again and to be treated fairly. We gave you your chance to keep your promises. You broke them.

Now we must take back the reins of this speeding-out-of-control couch and steady 'er and get back on the trail to the better life. That's what it's about.

Let's roll!

TB, wrote: "Now where have I heard that before? On rabble? or was it somewhere in the centre of Europe circa 1933?"

There's another example of your extreme, uncalled-for ad hominems which you pull out of your pants whenever you have been confronted with the steaming evidence of the stinking mess you just made.

Don't try to distance yourself from the ultra-far left. You know you're allied with them within the network of the sociopolitical left. You give them our tax dollars to keep them going and they, in turn, viciously slander and dehumanize us, your political counterparts and fellow Canadian citizens. We don't deserve to be treated like a piece of what the neighbor's dog deposited upon your beautifully-manicured lawns.

You just proved Kate right. You "Liberals". Invoking one of history's most terrible events of all for use against those who stand for truth and goodness and equality and fairness. You exploit the horrible suffering of millions of innocents for political gain. It is your sort today who has not learned from history, nor have you any respect for "Never again". Maybe not you personally, but many members of your leftist brethren, as seen, for example, in Kristallnacht at Concordia. You persist in retaining membership within that network of loosely-allied but nevertheless conspiring anencephalic left-wing extremists and selfish "liberals".

We owe you no apology. We owe you nothing. All we want is to have our equal rights again and to be treated fairly. We gave you your chance to keep your promises. You broke them.

Now we must take back the reins of this speeding-out-of-control couch and steady 'er and get back on the trail to the better life. That's what it's about.

Let's roll!

Well, Kate, thanks for putting things back on track here--sort of.

"The fact that the word 'redneck" is used at all in formal media and by politicians validates my argument."

"But you hear cultural slurs like 'redneck' spouted in the mainstream media and by elected politicians with impunity".

This is more than a little slippery. You produced Scott Brison. I challenged you to name those MSM commentators who throw around words like "redneck." You said you didn't have time. Now you're back, combining the categories "politicans" and "mainstream media."

What MSM commentators use the word "redneck," Kate?

TB, wrote: "Now where have I heard that before? On rabble? or was it somewhere in the centre of Europe circa 1933?"

There's another example of your extreme, uncalled-for ad hominems which you pull out of your pants whenever you have been confronted with the steaming evidence of the stinking mess you just made.

Don't try to distance yourself from the ultra-far left. You know you're allied with them within the network of the sociopolitical left. You give them our tax dollars to keep them going and they, in turn, viciously slander and dehumanize us, your political counterparts and fellow Canadian citizens. We don't deserve to be treated like a piece of what the neighbor's dog deposited upon your beautifully-manicured lawns.

You just proved Kate right. You "Liberals". Invoking one of history's most terrible events of all for use against those who stand for truth and goodness and equality and fairness. You exploit the horrible suffering of millions of innocents for political gain. It is your sort today who has not learned from history, nor have you any respect for "Never again". Maybe not you personally, but many members of your leftist brethren, as seen, for example, in Kristallnacht at Concordia. You persist in retaining membership within that network of loosely-allied but nevertheless conspiring anencephalic left-wing extremists and selfish "liberals".

We owe you no apology. We owe you nothing. All we want is to have our equal rights again and to be treated fairly. We gave you your chance to keep your promises. You broke them.

Now we must take back the reins of this speeding-out-of-control couch and steady 'er and get back on the trail to the better life. That's what it's about.

Let's roll!

Not fifteen minutes ago, my fifteen year old daughter referred to one of the boys in her school as a neonazi. I asked her why. She answered that he's an American, living here with family while his mother and father are in Irag killing people. She goes to a school in Winnipeg School Division Number One. Even if we can battle the MSM to a draw, we are still faced with an education system that has control of our children from six to twenty-two counting university.

OOps! Sorry about the triple post, Kate, but what else could I do? I was trying to reset the thing as I thought there was a temporary drop in connection or whatever.

Talk about technical bloopers!

Not fifteen minutes ago, my fifteen year old daughter referred to one of the boys in her school as a neonazi. I asked her why. She answered that he's an American, living here with family while his mother and father are in Irag killing people. She goes to a school in Winnipeg School Division Number One. Even if we can battle the MSM to a draw, we are still faced with an education system that has control of our children from six to twenty-two counting university.

Oh, that's good. The Canadian parent worried about the "indoctrination" of his/her child when that child observes (rightly) that American imperialism and Nazism aren't that far apart. And concerned about it past the point the child is no longer his/her child, but an adult (22 years), and no longer under his/her control.

And that's of course, assuming this particular parent is telling the truth, which I doubt.

See? A couple of posts, and a couple of scripts for The Simpsons.

Let's roll...*snick*

Michael Enright, Don Martin are two that I've personally taken to task, plus I've lost count of the complaints I've made to CBC radio (when I still listened to it) over their use of culturally derogatory characterizations of conservative western Canadians.

Don Martin replied and said he was misunderstood and that's fair enough. But in so doing he too, acknowledged the phenomenon exists.

Frankly, I can't believe anyone is genuinely trying to argue otherwise.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/002008.html

Again, I sincerely apologize for the accidental triple post.

Dawg wants to know of Kate which specific MSM representatives use the word "redneck".

Gimme a break. Doesn't Dawg notice anything at all? We have all heard the term "redneck" used countless times by many in the MSM, so what's the need to quote a bunch of specific people? Dawg knows Kate's right, else Dawg is in denial. Maybe the newscasters are more judicious, but the people they have on to add to the story (for example, leftist professors from Osgoode Law School or Concordia ("Kristallnacht") University or a representative of a special interest group such as EGALE) are given free rein to use anti-conservative pejoratives. If Dawg can't notice that, then that's what's meant by "myopic".

OK, McAllister, now we've had the froth, let's have the beer. Name one MSM commentator who has used the word "redneck."

The misogynistic "Ti-Guy" shamelessly, audaciously and with impunity writes:

"Oh, that's good. The Canadian parent worried about the "indoctrination" of his/her child when that child observes (rightly) that American imperialism and Nazism aren't that far apart. And concerned about it past the point the child is no longer his/her child, but an adult (22 years), and no longer under his/her control."

Of course the "Liberal" state apparatus, via its apparatchik "teachers", do indeed "indoctrinate" pupils in extreme, bizarre, unnecessary leftist dogma. Why teach children, for example, how to perform fellatio, cunnilingus or sodomy with either gender? Of what possible value are these irrelevant ADULT activities to the intellectual growth of children or even in preventing unwanted pregnancy and STDs? The left cannot defend this ludricrous imposition of the personal ideals of the special interest groups that believe fornication is the most important thing in life.

We also witness, in plain language in black and white, the rabid, prejudiced anti-Americanism of a typical left-wing extremist in that he claims it's "rightful" to equate America's self-defence and liberation of innocent human beings from a merciless, vicious tyrant in Iraq to Hitler's Nazi regime.

Also, at 22, although legally free and supposedly able to think for themselves, how in the world can many people who are currently 22 possibly think for themselves if, at every turn, there's a representative of the "liberal" state apparatus spewing forth dogmatic leftist propaganda and threatening the person with ostracization should they question or refuse to acquiesce to their verbal fascism?

I said Ti-Guy is misogynistic due to something he is on record as saying to Kate, including the use of the word, "Vibrolator". I told him off at that point and, lo and behold, suddenly, after a long absence following that incident, he reappears and spews forth more hatred...

See, Dr. Dawg, here's another of your brethren. Remember this, please, and allow a pattern to develop inside your mind of the ways of the members of the leftist network.

Dawg, you don't seriously expect everyone to recall a specific personality as uttering the word "redneck"? This and other anti-conservative pejoratives have been uttered so often it doesn't matter who said it; what matters is they're part of the leftist network. For example, haven't you encountered many, many left-wing politicians, celebrities and media personalities using words like redneck, racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot, intolerant, fascist, etc. etc.? Don't pretend you haven't. It would be quite disingenuous and completely unbelievable as you're obviously a very aware, alert individual. Can the act. Don't demand proof when you've seen it many, many times.

How about Carolyn Parrish? "Damn Americans; I hate the bastards"... "...war-like man..." How about Svend Robinson? I don't even need to quote him; surely you've heard him utter some rather horrible and false terms against his political opponents? Not to mention his actions, such as supporting Milosevic, the ethnic cleanser of Muslims in Kosovo, Saddam, his trying to push by the IDF to support Arafat... How about Jean Chretien's sexism towards Christina Lawand in suggesting she's old and telling her to go have a baby and apply to his new social program... Doug Young's calling Deb Grey a "side of bacon"... come on, you know it all. Don't play innocent! It doesn't have to be only a specific word. There's all kinds of slurs coming from your people!

I'm afraid I must sign off for the night. Give others a chance to have at you with their rolled-up newspapers...

This is entertainment at it's peak. Great button pushing and exchanges of ideas...

Now that Jackielay has set Martin adrift, do you suppose Paulie will do somehting stealthy to save his exposed, non-confidence hide?

He wouldn't call a snap election,[Lib polls are up], before Harper can gather any polls momentum with those 4 new TV ads, would he?

Guess that move would slip the non-confidence risk and steamroll the Gomery Report all in one shot. Ouch! 73s TG

Ti-Guy: "...that child observes (rightly) that American imperialism and Nazism aren't that far apart."

Please provide facts to back up that assertion, keeping these things in mind:

1) The US has not recently waged wars of conquest that resulted in the incorporation of foreign territory into the state.

2) The US has a free media (do not ignore the Internet by talking about capitalist ownership) and free elections. Different parties win elections at different times, federally, in the states and locally.

3) The disabled are not mass-murdered by the governmentin the US.

4) Neither Jews nor Muslims are mass-murdered by the government in the US.

5) The US does not commit genocide abroad. Hell, the Vietnamese like them now.

6) The US encourages legal immigration and does not promote a mono-ethnic national identity. General Shalikashvili, born in Poland of Georgian parents, was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1993–97). Let us know how you think Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice (or Martin Luther King Jr.) would have fared under a truly Nazi system.

6) The US civilian leadership does not wear uniforms.

6) The US is the world capital of pornography.

By the way, Hitler was anti-smoking and a vegetarian. Makes one think, what? Seems a Democratic rather than a Republican orientation.

Mark
Ottawa

Give him hell Stephen.

Wakeup people,Dr.Dawg is jealous and just wants you to click on his blog site for the traffic.He knows Kate is a Large Mammal in the TTLB ecosystem and he also knows that he is just a sniveling reptile.

Actually, although he could only be described as an "opponent", politically, Dawg stands out among that crowd for being bright, and polite, and for his sticking to the points that are in play, and for avoiding ad hominems, except in a playful way.

Unfortunately, I suspect he's a leftist.

Mark mentioned: "By the way, Hitler was anti-smoking and a vegetarian. Makes one think, what? Seems a Democratic rather than a Republican orientation."

He was also a SOCIALIST, which is represented in the S in NSDAP, the German version of "NAZI". Therefore, it wouldn't be necessarily incorrect to label Hitler a "left-wing extremist". He demonstrated so many of the traits as seen in today's leftists. Wonder how many people have thought of that.

Today, the left advocates the persecution of the Jewish people on a daily basis and many of its more extreme apparatchiks actually engage in physical violence and vandalism against Jews and their property, just as did Nazis at the beginning of the Holocaust. Today, the left has aligned itself with not only the Nazis, but also with the Islamofascist terrorists, plus odds and ends of vicious, merciless tyrants such as Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Chavez of Venezuela, Castro of Cuba, etc., etc.

And the left still believes it's correct and good? Talk about insanely delusional...

EBD's right. Dawg is a refreshing exception to the leftists with whom we're accustomed to dealing. Dawg is clearly quite intelligent and even possesses the ability to be convinced if he has made an error in logic, fact or judgement. That's why he actually has the respect of Yours Truly. It's like dealing with an equal but opposite counterpart, which is quite a change of pace, as we know most leftists to be big poopooheads, right?

"He knows Kate is a Large Mammal in the TTLB ecosystem and he also knows that he is just a sniveling reptile."

Er...that's "adorable little rodent." For those of you who believe in evolution. :)

Rodent? I thought you were canine. Woof! :-)

AS per earlier post, this thread is enormously entertaining, in particular because Dr. D is gnawing away like his namesake with a bone. Having said that, it's far less entertaining when an outrageous statement equating Americans to Nazis is made (courtesy of Ti-Guy). This only makes it clearer to me. There is no way this argument can be won with people like that. They're just flat wrong, as Mark pointed out in detailed fashion. (Saving me the trouble - Thaks) But I wonder if it is even worth the effort of knocking down that kind of opinion. Maybe even acknowledging a person like that is wrong. Hearts and minds, yeah, but not mindless hearts. Someone that backward thinking can never be convinced that he/she is off the deep end. Why waste the time?

Well, Axeman, I dealt with Ti-Guy as I saw it as an opportunity to use him as evidence of left-wing hate speech. He proved immensely useful. It's not hard to encounter dishonest, malicious left-wing slurring of conservative-minded citizens. They pop up everywhere.

interesting how in the US, when the KKK runs a memeber for office, they invariably run as conservative republicans. wonder why that is?

You're a bit off.

Byrd is a Democrat.

Sarge's lamebrained leftist question sounds like more of the same left-wing extremist defamation and dehumanization used against those of us who exercise our constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of association and expression and refuse to submit to his network's quasi-forced indoctrination, the likes of which we've been discussing above. Yet more evidence of the left using these false, maliciously suggestive innuendoes.

Does he have evidence? I bloody well doubt it. If there was anything to his stupid asshat question, the MSM would be headlining with something like that day after day after day. Comedians and political cartoonists would be on a roll.

It's becoming apparent that "Sarge" is one of those dumbass left-wing extremists.

I dismiss this insignificant, barely literate individual. He is of no consequence. A common leftist pest.

He asked for it, btw.

Ah, a particular Democrat is a KKK? Gee, I must've missed that one. MSM must've tried to cover up the racism of one of their own, therefore I'm in the dark.

I only discovered the TTLB ecosystem by accident this past spring, so I've been getting feck all from the MSM on the skeletons in the leftist closet...

"Rodent? I thought you were canine. Woof! :-)"

Actually, as of today, a "marauding marsupial." I'm gradually catching up to myself. :)

Dr. Dawg: So are you, if a marauding marsupial:

1) The Tasmanian Devil? or
http://www.dpiwe.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/BHAN-5358KH?open

2) The Tasmanian Wolf (sadly extinct)?
http://www.naturalworlds.org/thylacine/introducing/tasmanian_wolf_1.htm

Woof,

Mark
Ottawa

Dr. Dawg: Why don't you put up that picture of the Devil on the website I listed above at the top left of your blog? Would sure make Kate's rodent look wimpy.

Hoo ah!

Mark
Ottawa

Dr. Dawg: And of course change the blog's name to "Marauding (or just Master) Marsupial". You are certainly a step above the average left-wing monotreme.
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/mammal/monotreme.html

Grrr,

Mark
Ottawa

Dr. Dawg: This is too much fun. On the other hand using the Wolf's picture on your blog might well illustrate the bedraggled state of many leftist approaches.

It also strikes me that "monotreme" might usefully become a common term of disparagement for conservatives to use against their opposition, rather than vulgar ones referring to different orifices: note cloaca.
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/mammals/monotreme/

Plop,

Mark
Ottawa

I thought of maybe a wombat. But it sounds too much like "moonbat." :)

How about changing the name of Dawg's Blog to "Master Baiter's Blog"?

Go ahead. I think that'd be a fitting title, don't you? ;->

LOL

Stephen McAllister: Unnecessary vulgarity. Try "Monotreme Madness". The Dr. actually has a very interesting post today: "Seven". Take a look.
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/

Mark
Ottawa

Ok, Ok. I was just kiddin'... I'll check that out...

Ah, yes. The seven deadly sins. Suddenly I feel like being a good boy...

The time is overdue that conservative politicians and strategists - especially those with a national media audience - get a firm grip on the handle of the pc weaponry. Begin the process by applying a good measure of linguistic intolerance of their own. Loudly condemn the use of any and all slurs against the right, Christians and rural Canadians each and every time they are used, with a demand that those guilty of using them renounce their cultural and intellectual bigotry.

Then, as the collective liberal jaws drop, invite them to explain to those "rednecks" - better known as rural, blue-collar, working Canadians - why they do not deserve a voice in the "diverse cultural mosaic of modern Canada".

Hot DAMN!

Well SAID!

In case anyone failed to notice, that's what I've been doing, especially in this thread. Fight fire with fire. It's after all, a war that was started against us without provocation. We're justified to do to them what they did to us.

Throughout all of this I saw Cerberus and Dr. Dawg ask for proof of the following in Kate's post: "The Canadian left and their advocates in the media casually employ words like "redneck", "bible-thumper", and "knuckedragger" - often as thinly veiled synonyms for "Albertan" or "western" ." Instead it was a struggle to come up with one politician, (Brison) Michael Enright and Don Martin. Of the three only the Brison comment is actually provided to show his usage of it, and it is a comment referring specifically to the membership of the CPC and not the "West" if one actually reads it. Remember what he said was this: "There's not a lot of room for Red Tories in a party with a lot of red necks." I'd say that was specific to the CPC only and not a wider group like a Province, and even there it does not make the claim they are all "red necks" just a lot, which means there are some in the CPC by definition which are not. Not exactly the most absolutist phrasing/stereotyping I've ever seen.

However, aside from that there is a bunch of assertions saying it is common, who can remember all the many times and people doing so, that anyone that does not concede this reality is either lying or incredibly ignorant because it is of course so common only a liar or a fool could miss it. There is no actual evidence provided to corroborate all these claims regarding the left or regarding the media. No, instead there are nothing but unsupported claims being passed of as carved in stone truth. There is a bunch of emotionally driven rhetoric, but actual facts appear very scarce indeed. If this is truly the problem that is being claimed here then it should be easy to provide plenty of specific examples to corroborate it. If one does not have them handy, it shouldn't be too hard to find them on line with proper sourcing and dates provided so one can verify for oneself. Yet either no one has done so or has been able to do so.

No, instead there is much self congratulations about beating Dr. Dawg into the ground for his clear deceit and obvious lack of understanding (this is not my view but that of those doing the self congratulations, I clarify this so someone can't claim they are what I think) of reality. Then when Cerberus/TB points out that none of you have provided proof of this claim Kate and the rest of you have been making you do the same with him. No doubt I will get the same response, but that is fine, as it will only underscore the point I am making. That point being that this is all unsupported and uncorroborated assumption. That when challenged to back up these assertions with specific examples showing the reality of this widespread problem, no one can. We can all come up with the odd example of someone saying something stupid, regardless of their political perspective, what is being asserted here though is a wide spread and systemic problem, and that takes more than the odd example to corroborate as reality/accurate.

So I would argue that none of you have provided any actual proof that this widespread problem being asserted actually exists anywhere outside of your own minds. In other words you are all stating belief as fact. However, when asked to demonstrate this belief to anyone that is not already a believer, and your "evidence" either does not hold up to scrutiny, or as in this case, does not appear to exist. Remember, this is all about a widespread problem, yet it is near impossible to provide several specific examples of this problem in action? Right there the logic being used is shown as self-contradictory. If it is common and widespread then it is an everyday occurrence and therefore many examples would have to exist to show this. Yet no one has been able to provide the many examples from different sources that would demonstrate this in action. Indeed, only one quote from one politician was provided. So how can something be widespread and common yet be so difficult to find examples of?

No, this liberal/Liberal media conspiracy that I see so many here and at too many other conservative blogs in Canada decry has never actually been proven to exist. In the case of the assertions Kate puts forward in this post she and the rest of you here have also failed to actually show evidence of this widespread and casual problem. So in other words you have all been caught making unfounded assertions out to be hard and fast facts of reality, and yet you are unable/unwilling to provide the very evidence of such while always getting in an uproar whenever someone from the left makes assertions without providing the evidence to corroborate their claims/assertions. That does come across as one whopping double standard you know.

Oh yes Kate, you said Don Martin acknowledges the problem exists, and you did so in a manner to make it sound like he noted it existed in the MSM, but the quote you pointed to is not that specific at all. It says: "I was attempting to belittle the stereotype, which seems so ingrained around here in Ontario, of Prairie residents somewhere low on the evolutionary chain." Now that read to me as if he was referring to the general public and not his fellows in journalism specifically. So I went to read the source, but the link to it at the site you linked to doesn't find it now. So I have to work with the quoted excerpt, and it reads to me like he meant the general public having this stereotype and not his fellow media figures. So don't you think it is a little dishonest to imply otherwise as you did here? "Don Martin replied and said he was misunderstood and that's fair enough. But in so doing he too, acknowledged the phenomenon exists. Frankly, I can't believe anyone is genuinely trying to argue otherwise." Kate at August 24, 2005 07:41 PM

You have in the past claimed Kate that it is the left which makes up all kinds of fairy tales and then presents them as reality, and that you and yours are the ones that live in the reality based community. That it is the right which has the truth tellers and honest people, and that the left is full of the liars and slanderers. Yet you choose to make grand assertions without evidence, when challenged you still cannot provide evidence to corroborate your assertions, and you in one of your examples put words into his mouth in an attempt to corroborate your assertion. I have shown how you did this, I have shown why your assertions are just that, and I have done so providing the evidence to show why I make that assertion. So which one of us truly lives in the reality based world, hmmm?