There is no crime, don't you know that? There are only different kinds of 'self expression.'

And I thought UNC Chapel Hill was liberal...

Gangs of any kind should not be tolerated in a free democratic society like Canada. I suppose I could add "used to be."

Asian and Middle Eastern gangs are just as big a problem on the streets of Vancouver. And yet the RCMP will not, or can not, deal effectively with it. Most of these problems are caused by our legal system which is infested with the disease of multiculturalism. Local terrorism is often disguised as crime, but it is still terrorism. It's time people called it what it is.

Similarly, men with masks holding guns and standing defiantly in the middle of any street or highway should not be tolerated in a free democratic society." Before you accuse me of racism please realise that I am part Indian.

The disease of multiculturalism is a cancer that will eventually bring down Canada, as it is in the process of doing in several countries overseas.

In my opinion this is the result of the liberal policies of the Liberal Party of Canada, with the support of the NDP. Don't forget that the NDP have been in power in certain western provinces and have helped to enshrine this disease of multiculturalism on the provincial lavel.

Hopefully, Western Separation will solve this problem as well as others.

"if you're some leftover remnant from the primoridal big bang of stupid" LOL

Don't hold back ... tell us how you really feel!

Being in Winnipeg I not so fondly remember the days of the Posse.

Thugs of the lowest order. You can have them.

By the way. The Posse left town after the Angels showed up and took over. Made a world of difference here. Good luck!

C'mon, Kate. Enough with the racism. Okay, so there's a street gang, and you have to be aboriginal to join. Fine. And they happen to be from the west side of Saskatoon. And they call themselves the "Indian Posse" -- I understand all that. But how could anyone with half a brain possibly justify calling them "an aboriginal street gang from the west side of Saskatoon"? It just doesn't...

Oh, wait...never mind.

At least the Criminal Intelligence Service Canada (located at RCMP HQ) has not fallen under the PC spell. See these section titles from its "2004 Annual Report on Organized Crime in Canada":
http://www.cisc.gc.ca/AnnualReport2004/Cisc2004/annualreport2004.html

'# CISC National Intelligence Priorities

* Asian-based Organized Crime
* Eastern European-based Organized Crime
* Organized Crime at Marine Ports, Airports and Land Border Areas
* Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs
* Traditional (Italian-based) Organized Crime

# CISC National Monitored Issues

* Aboriginal-based Organized Crime
* Illicit Movement of Firearms
* Organized Crime and the Diamond Industry
* Sexual Exploitation of Children
* Street Gangs
* Technology and Crime'

Mark
Ottawa

"Before we can hope to push back this growing criminal cancer that ruins the lives of so many First Nations kids, before we can hope for an end to racially-motivated violence from both sides of the Saskatchewan River"

I don't have a problem with this sort of profiling at all. In fact, we should be taking it further with the admission that the Hell's Angels are a bunch of 'white guys' that never grew up, engage in criminal activity, and their white mammas and pappas never had the help they needed with their sons when they were little boys. Residential schools for these white kids would have been helpful.

We should also make note that the majority of serial killers in North America are white. We need to figure out why serial killing is primarily a white man's activity.

"We should also make note that the majority of serial killers in North America are white. We need to figure out why serial killing is primarily a white man's activity."

Ian, how do you make it to adulthood without being able to piece together:

a) North America is predominantly White;
b) Boys have penis and girls have a vagina;
c) Said penis comes with testosterone, which makes boys substantially more aggressive than girls;
d) All of this is reflected in statistics, not to mention the world around you;
e) Therefore, it is unsurprising that "serial killing is primarily a white man's activity."

Did you find this answer helpful?

No, Anonaloge. It is not helpful. The number of serial killers and members of bike gangs is disproportionately white compared to your "statistical" analysis. Your logic is flawed.

Interestingly, the USA produces 85% of all the world's serial killers. It certainly doesn't have 85% of the world's population.

Regardless, it still is not helpful to solving the bike gang "problem," is it? Or the serial killing "problem," is it?

Anonalogue: The oddity is that almost no serial killers are black males.

Mark
Ottawa

"Anonalogue: The oddity is that almost no serial killers are black males."

True, but a separate issue. So is this:

"The number of serial killers and members of bike gangs is *disproportionately* white compared to your "statistical" analysis"

He mused why serial killing is "primarily" - not disproportionately, but "primarily" - Whitey's bag, and I gave him The Correct Response. Whether Whitey is *disproprotionately* inclined toward serial killing is a separate issue.

Did you find this answer helpful? I wanna nail this one down before we move on to tomorrow's lesson "The Scientific Method: Why The Left Rejects It" to be followed by "Correlation: Causation's Tricky Friend".

Ian,
The Hells Angels is a white gang. Members must be white as part of membership. They tend to protect their turf which maintains that white thing.
Interestingly, you pull this 85% number out of the air. Saddam, Milosovich, Hitler, Mao, Stalin are just more upfront in their serial killing ways.

Primarily: adv 1: for the most part

"primarily" or "disproportionately." Take your pick.

enough: It is not pulled out of the air. I don't have a reference for it at this time. I will look it up in one of my old text books on criminology if you like.

enough, you're also using a definition of "serial killing" that is not generally used. Genocide is not considered 'serial killing'.

"The Hells Angels is a white gang. Members must be white as part of membership"

This refutes my argument, how? Ummm.. it's white males that are members, right? How'd those white guys get to the point where they wanted to ride around on harley's and get involved in both organized and violent crime?

Further, can you point to any proportionaly influential black motorcycle gangs? Native motorcycle gangs?

You still haven't dealt with the issue of "white motorcycle" crime.

I wonder if some of those Native gangs might not allow "white's" into their gangs?

The definition may not be inappropriate at all.
In western civilization laws try to prevent people from killing to satisfy some fetishistic, depraved compulsion. Usually these people get caught. Despots in uncivilized countries are able to kill in a more open manner. Corruption allows many more deaths to go unreported. Mao liked young girls. How many deaths was he responsible for? Serial killer, pervert or mass murderer?

There is an accepted "meaning" for the term 'serial killer'. Whatever YOU want it to mean is not the accepted meaning. Go ahead and change the definition if you want - you'll find that folks who have an understanding of the term 'serial killing' won't understand what you are talking about though.

""primarily" or "disproportionately." Take your pick."

I win. Primarily is a very different word than disproportionately with a very different meaning. For example, while Saskatoon may be primarily white, a disproportionate amount of crime in Saskatoon could come from the Native population. Hypothetically, of course.

I am 100% unabiguously right, you are wrong. Pwned.

When you make the statement about 85% of serial killers being american, you open it up for discussion.
It is a somewhat apples and orange debate. Someone who wants to kill for sexual pleasure in the west must do it discreetly or get caught. If they wish to rape or torture for sexual pleasure, they must hide that behavior.
In uncivilized countries they can act out rape and torture fantasies and bribe their way out of trouble. No need to hide the witness or victims. They can so as a government leader and kill for pleasure.

""primarily" or "disproportionately." Take your pick."

I win."

Actually, you don't. I didn't use the word "primarily" in the first place. You did. I used the word "majority."

So now that we've got that covered, we now can go forward and realize that not only are the majority of serial killers white, there is a disproportionate number.

I am not using "apples and oranges" at all, enough. You continue to try to apply a meaning that is not known for the term "serial killer." Even my statistic shows you this, for if 85% of serial killers are American, 15% are not American. The 15% not American are still "serial killers" in the accepted meaning of the word.

Now if you want to add genocide to the meaning, we can discuss that I suppose. But then we'll have to talk about the genocide of Natives in Newfoundland, the genocide of Natives in parts of America, etc. And then, we'll have to talk about opportunity costs, too. If there were the same potential numbers of Natives in Newfoundland, would the same "rate of genocide" have been carried out?

So, for our purposes of this discussion, it may be worthwhile to stick to the accepted meanings of words instead of adding new meanings that aren't known, and that hasn't been applied to the other 15% that are not American.

Are there more American mass murderers or is there better law enforcement in America, or is there more rigorous documentation?

Are white murderers more likely to get caught? Or are they more likely to get away with it long enough to become a 'serial' killer? Do non-white killers in North America get caught too easily, that is, before they can become 'serial' killers?

There isn't any suspicion that a white guy blew up the Air India plane, is there?

I don't remember Idi Amin being particularly white.

On the other hand, I do remember the entomological origin of the word "thug".

Are we having a flashback of the "white man's burden?"

Colombia, South Africa, and Jamaica evidently have murder rates approximately 10 times that of the US. They are 20%,10%, and 0.2% white, respectively. I couldn't find any information on whether they have any biker gangs.

Hope this helps get things back on track.

Did you know that 5% of serial killers got their start by picking fights in the comments sections of blogs?

It's a gateway behaviour, I tell ya. Primarily disproportionate, even.

Ian, I think the point about the country of origin of serial killers is that in many countries they do not have the police technology to track and report serial killers they way we in the west do. Corrupt police forces as well.

LOL this reminds me of my friend Meghan Walker Willams... Did you know that she's racist?

Sorry kakola, my posting was slow. You made my point!

Ian said: " We need to figure out why serial killing is primarily a white man's activity."

I gave you an anwer using this exact quote. Notice how I sum up my airtight argument:

"e) Therefore, it is unsurprising that "serial killing is *primarily* a white man's activity."

See the word "majority" there or in any of my ensuing comments? No? Then stop pretending that's what we are talking about.

I'm satisfied that a reasonable person would conclude that "primarily" != "disproportionately", that you have displayed a stunning inability to differentiate between two basic concepts, and are trying to weasel out of this. I don't argue past this point - I can't convince every confused fuzzy thinker of this point - but I'm satisfied that the median non-retard gets it.

I can keep busting your logic all day if you want, but at some point you might want to concede that you just made a poor choice of words and meant to say "disproportionately" rather than "primarily".

Anybody wanna take a stab at why there's so many black guys in the NBA?

And dont mention the Celtics. We know about those racists.

Ok Anonalogue. Poor choice of words. Dispraportionately as I said in my post above. You win the semantics debate for the day, Anonalogue.

Now carry on as you were saying..

Id, I still don't get your point. Whatever - there is still a dispraportionate number of white male serial killers where it is tracked.

I'm starting to wonder here if folks are suggesting that white's commit less crimes than other races?

Is this what this is all about? Why don't we get back to Canada? Shall we profile white men on Harley's and white serial killers? I don't have a problem with that. Do you?

Re: profiling. The police do profile fat scruffy bearded leather jacket wearing motorcycle riding white men. And yes, they do complain about it. And on this blog we profile moonbats and left whingers.

Ian, the only reason I mentioned it is because I find debates about Really Touchy Issues like crime and stuff get bogged down in arguments about fundamental concepts that we all should've had down cold as small children. Whenever a good discussion about crime or race or immigration breaks out some clown always shows up with the "Whitey Is A Serial Killer" schtick and today I just happened to have the time to respond, nothing personal.

Between what's going down in Toronto and some very serious immigration and terrorism issues our great country is damn near under attack and it is my duty as a Good Canadian to vigorously engage those enemies of Canada who would obfuscate and fuzzify in order to advance their anti-Canadian agenda.

Ian wrote:
"I don't have a problem with this sort of profiling at all. In fact, we should be taking it further with the admission that the Hell's Angels are a bunch of 'white guys' that never grew up, engage in criminal activity, and their white mammas and pappas never had the help they needed with their sons when they were little boys. Residential schools for these white kids would have been helpful."

I have never seen anyone squirm identifying the KKK as a criminal organization that self-identifies by belong to the white race.

And last time I checked, the typical "residential school" of today costs a lot of money and middle and upper class parents work doubly hard to send their children to them, in the knowledge that they'll receive a superior education in an environment that monitors their behavior.

Of course, that' makes them racist thugs, those parents.

Actually, Ian - I have a friend who was in the DC area during the spate of random shootings a couple of years ago.

He was interviewed as a potential suspect?

Why?

Because he fit the profile of a serial killer. White, single, loner, self-employed, gun club member.

Now, do I think that was a bad thing? Not at all - it didn't get them anywhere, as it turned out, since the DC shootings were perpetrated by two blacks.

And he didn't have a problem with it either, since he had just as good a chance of being a victim as anyone else.

On a side note, there's also news that 17 year old Justin Sproat was stabbed to death on Avenue H in Saskatooon on the weekend. Word is that he wouldn't let members of the 'crazy cree', another gang, into a house party. Things escalated from there.

rebarbarian, good luck with your profiling there.

"Whenever a good discussion about crime or race or immigration breaks out some clown always shows up with the "Whitey Is A Serial Killer" schtick"

Interesting - I've not come across this in any debate in about 20 years.

I don't see how bringing up the disproportionate numbers of white males that are serial killers would be a problem in any discussion to do with crime/race.

Please explain.

As far as "Canada being under attack," well, I guess that's your projection. Perhaps high crime areas of Toronto, where there's a "war on drugs" because of prohibition have had some individuals attacked, but where I live, the only beings under "attack" are fish in the rivers and deer come hunting season time. Perhaps I don't live in "Canada" though.

"And last time I checked, the typical "residential school" of today costs a lot of money and middle and upper class parents work doubly hard to send their children to them, in the knowledge that they'll receive a superior education in an environment that monitors their behavior."

Sure Kate. So... your suggestion re residential schools today.. who pays? Let's start with that one.

And should we be trying to send potential white males who match profiles (bad bad parents, you know?) that may join white motorcycle gangs, off to residential schools?

"Because he fit the profile of a serial killer. White, single, loner, self-employed, gun club member."

Nice he obliged the men with guns for the interview.

So what the heck is your point? Do you or not, agree that white males are more likely to be serial killers, and in order to prevent this, we need to push back this growing criminal cancer before we can hope for an end to serial-killer motivated violence from all across Canada?

Moving on to finding a solution, how about we as individuals start demanding of our MP's and the Government that they be held accountable for Treaties that have been signed? You know.. as in as if they really were contracts?

And then have them held accountable for the manner in which funds are being transferred?

Hey, wouldn't that be a good start?

And for anyone who is interested in more about serial killers, this site seems like a pretty good reference to start with:
http://www.serial-killer.org/serialkiller_insight/index.htm

Also provides information as to why a serial killer is referred to as such. You'll note that genocide does not come into the meaning at all.

"Please explain."

Oh, I "think" I've done "enough" explaining "today".

"Perhaps I don't live in "Canada" though."

Hmmm...it sounds like you live in what is now known as "Old Canada". Please, for the love of all that is...er...holy...read today's Connie Woodcock column featured at my blog or at the Toronto Sun.

"Interesting - I've not come across this in any debate in about 20 years."

Actually, your very good friend Edward T. Pussy did precisely this less than a month ago very prominently on his/her "blog". I am surprised that I remember this and you don't seeing as you two seem to be quite chummy.

In what may be a new Canadian blogsphere record for obsessive compulsive behaviour ETB posted no less than THIRTY FIVE photographs of various serial\mass killers in order to "prove"....fuck, I dunno what, I think to prove white=bad, Native=good. His actual words after posting pictures of Hitler, Pol Pot, Bernardo, Gacy, etc.:

"Wow... look. He's not an indian....
Hmmmmmm
Mass Murderers... Serial Murders... Genocides.....
But no indians...(notice lack of caps/respect - Anon.)
Lots of white people.
One could *almost* get the impression from reading history in the past 100 years that caucasian and asian people are somehow stuck in a violent and sick culture that thrives upon murdering millions of their own...."

Ian: read this part carefully, this is where he is explicitly calling your statements here today "specious, fraudulent and frankly a good show of bigotry":

"Unless of course you don't think evil bloody murdering is not specific to race and any attempts to claim that it is... is well specious, fraudulent and frankly a good show of bigotry."

http://blankouttimes.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-did-white-man-murder-his-pregnant.html

Hey, isn't that what you just did? Try to show that Whitey is a bigger serial murder than other "groups"? He's calling you a racist! Are you gonna take that crap from ETB? C'mon, let's you and him fight!

How about demanding First Nations councils be held accountable for the treaty money they receive? The Auditor General would would a good start.

"your suggestion re residential schools today.. who pays?"

The same people who pay for the over 700 kids in Saskatoon in child protective services.

The same people who poured millions into a segregated First Nations university.

The same people who pour millions into segregated First Nations addiction centers.

The same people who pour millions into First Nations "healing lodges" for adult offenders.

Or perhaps we could salvage some of the funds now used to recycle "young offenders" with over 80 break and enters on their records through the justice system, who haven't yet faced a day in jail.

Her'es an idea - they could be First Nation's run residential schools, in co-operation with Family Services.

Beats wandering alone on Ave.H when you're 4 years old.

I do like your idea about the drug wars being the result of drug prohibition.

That would work in Saskatoon to reduce crime, I'm sure, except in our case, we could legalize child prostitution. Then the turf wars between Indian Posse and Crazy Cree, et al sould cease with their new found ability set up legitimate store fronts to sell their little cousins and neighbors.

Now, if that's too ugly for you, Ian, be my guest - return to your fantasy world where 11 year old white serial killers swarm festival goers, and drag citizens out of their cars to perform the "stabbing whitey" rite of initiation.

The most infuriating thing about these insipid arguments you've made is that you seem obvlivious to the fact that the number one victims of these gangs are First Nations people in the inner cities. Knives, sawed off shotguns (one taken from a 12 year old earlier this year) and machettes. Who do you think they're used on?

Wrap your head around that, Ian. If I didn't give a fuck, I'd leave the topic to it's own politically correct self-destruction and talk about downtrodden pot smokers.

(Oh, and my friend didn't oblige anyone because of their "guns". He opened the door for the FBI and sat through an interview.)

Anonalgue...

This post by Edward T Willi Bear... didn't include passages about the Aztecs????

"... the Aztec king Ahuitzotl purportedly organized the butchery of 80,400 prisoners during a four-day blood sacrifice at the 1487 inauguration of the Great Temple to Huitzilopochtli in Tenochtitlan ... [his] killing rate of fourteen victims a minute over the ninety-six-hour bloodbath far exceeded the daily murder rate of either Auschwitz or Dachau."

""Unless of course you don't think evil bloody murdering is not specific to race and any attempts to claim that it is... is well specious, fraudulent and frankly a good show of bigotry.""

I have no idea what you are talking about, Anonalogue. First, I am not "chummy" with anyone in the "blogosphere." Your projections aside, let's deal with your allegation that I just made a racist statement.

You're full of shit. I said NOTHING about the preponderance of white males to murder. I stated a fact about a particular "type" of murder and/or crime.

What part of that didn't you understand?

Wow, Kate.. so you really do think the answer is residential schools huh? Wow...

So, I'm going to be homeschooling my white boy. At what point do ye reckon that family services might take my white boy away and send him off to a residential school run by white folks in cooperation with Family Services?

Wow.. you REALLY DO believe in residential schools for natives...

YOUR insipid ideas are far more disgusting than mine; my ideas holding those accountable for treaties, although I totally agree about holding councils responsible.. we're on the same track there too, Kate.

But before you get off your high horse there about natives in your Province of Saskatchewan, you do realize that little white 4 year old boys are at times, found wandering around in the middle of the night? That little white girls are being prostituted in Toronto, some as young as 11 for their next hit of crack, giving ten dollar blow jobs (there are more white girls as prostitutes in Toronto than black girls), and so forth.

So carry on Kate. Residential schools are of course, the answer!

My god, woman.

You won't mind if I take a screen capture of your rant above?

Oh, you do know that white boys have had guns removed from them at the age of 12, huh? And black boys in Toronto.

"But before you get off your high horse there about natives in your Province of Saskatchewan, you do realize that little white 4 year old boys are at times, found wandering around in the middle of the night?"

Where did I specify race? And leads you to believe that my solution would be different if there were 700 white children now under provincial protection? (Keep in mind, this is a city of only 200,000)

Which, by the way, your posts here have been noticably absent of that - solutions, that is. Lots of hyperbole and straw serial killers and outrage and a little namecalling, but precious little consideration for the fact that there are around 14 aboriginal gangs in operation in the city of Saskatoon, with a pattern of escalating violence.

"At what point do ye reckon that family services might take my white boy away and send him off to a residential school run by white folks in cooperation with Family Services?"

Hopefully, before the point in which they find him drug addicted and dead at the age of 11, in a vacant apartment while you're out of town for the weekend - like they did Delores Bird last year.

Ian Scott: Canadian Indians have uniquely bad problems--especially in the Prairies--which federal policies over the last 40 years have been singularly hopeless in alleviating.

I believe that situation is what Kate was writing about, with considerable and hearfelt passion.

Any allusions to whites, blacks, yellows, browns, mulattos, purple-people eaters are not relevant.

The great mistake has been the creation of an industry/bureaucracy that pretends--to its great profit--to deal with the problems on the basis of ever-expanding principles rather than actually coming up with practical efforts to help the people who are suffering.

Ideology and personal benefit trumping attempts at real progress for real persons.

Mark
Ottawa

Where did you make the statement about race??

"they could be First Nation's run residential schools, in co-operation with Family Services."

Oh.. you mean First Nation's run schools that also take in black kids, right? Uh Huh... Right, Kate.

This is pathetic. I truly did give you the benefit of the doubt when you brought up this suggestion before. But you're serious.

Ian - just pause and think for a second before you post.

Do you have any idea how bad a family situation has to become in this province before removing the children is even considered?

Do you have any idea the kinds of lives they've led up until that point, and what they get returned to when they're ordered back?

Did you know there aren't enough foster homes?
Do you know anyone in the foster home system in this province, as I do? Ever talked to a public health nurse, who has done home visits in the inner city? Have you spent any time listening to anonymous callers to local radio, talk about being threatened by gang members who know they're immune under the YOA, and who are afraid to report their crimes?

Pretty goddamned sanctimonious you are.

Screen-capture away, Ian. Add it to your voluminous "Brent Colbert And The Great Comment Lies" collection.

>>>Where did you make the statement about race??

>>"they could be First Nation's run residential schools, in co-operation with Family Services."

>Oh.. you mean First Nation's run schools that also take in black kids, right? Uh Huh... Right, Kate.

Very good. Now wer'e getting somewhere .-

You've just suggested that First Nations counsellors are incapable of fashioning a program to suit the specific needs of a black student.

That, Ian, is a classic example of racism.

I suggested First Nations involvement, because that the vast majority of children under family services protection are First Nations is fact. In this part of the country, that almost always means a government-funded First Nations run facility.

You _really_ don't know much about the prairies, do you?

The people who throw around the "R" word are always the ones who run away from any solution, and who promote all manner of denial of personal accountability. It's always someone else's fault.

Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't bring up the same tired cliches about what Whitey has done to aboriginals, and then immediately scream racism when solutions are explored in the interest of helping aboriginal children.

Ian, what do you suggest be done about violent gangs who use race as the basis for admission, and who stab and beat strangers in the avowed name of their own racial strength? If you have ever spent time in Regina and Saskatoon, you will know that there are undeniably really, really bad problems in the aboriginal communities there.

I understand that you're pissed at Kate, and that you are personally emboldened, by the suffering of the downtrodden, to be their spokesman, but what do YOU suggest be done about those young aboriginal children wandering the streets after dark? What would you do about ten year old child prostitutes living with violent alcoholics? When Kate floats the idea of some kind of safehouse to rescue these kids, you go apeshit. Why? And don't give us more accusations against other people, tell us what YOUR solutions are.

I agree with you Mark. Ideologies about residential schools are pretty sick too.

Goddamned sanctimonious, are we Kate?

Pffft.

Yeah Kate, I'm QUITE familiar with problems with youth from a variety of backgrounds. I've fucking worked with them, Kate. Have you? Don't fucking call me sanctimonious.. if you goddamned CARE so much, like you say, how about going out and doing some volunteer work? Don't give me this goddamned sanctimonious shit. Yeah, sometimes I should reread before clicking send.. You should go look in your mirror while you're going on about how much you "care."

I sure as hell don't have to tell you what I DO and HAVE DONE in regard to many problems.. what the fuck are YOU actualing DOING other than writing in your blog?

Sanctimonious my ass..

And to have the bloody nerve to ask, "Where did I specify race?"

Pretend all you want you weren't referring to First Nations, Kate.

Sanctimonious.. the woman that believes in the draft (because it will make young men into the "fine" objects that Kate thinks they should be), now admits to believing in the residential school system...

And tries to pretend she didn't mention "race."

Pathetic.

Seeya later.. I'm not commenting anymore here. So ignore it, save your breath and typing finger muscles for another one of your own "sanctimonious" commenters or native issues that you "care" so much about.

Still scanning your posts for any solutions, Ian.

"there are more white girls as prostitutes in Toronto than black girls"

Err...didn't we just cover this like a few hours ago?

Ian: THERE ARE MORE WHITE GIRLS THAN BLACK GIRLS IN TORONTO THEREFORE IT IS ENTIRELY UNSURPRISING THAT THERE ARE MORE WHITE HOS THAN BLACK HOS WHY EVEN FUCKING MENTION THIS DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH.

"Oh, you do know that white boys have had guns removed from them at the age of 12, huh? And black boys in Toronto."

Yeah, but unless you are a VERY STUPID MAN WITH ZERO REASONING SKILLS this very trivial piece of knowledge proves nothing and only serves to waste kilobytes and...err..obfuscate and...err...fuzzify the debate. Just like I predicted a few hours ago.

Under normal circumstances I wouldn't mind you and your kind being such stupid assholes Ian but this political correctness business is getting to be a bit of a National Security issue, you see, and I'm afraid I'm going to have to engage you and your kind more vigorously to save my country.

Ian Scott: I am unsettled that you say you agree with me. Do answer the inferences from the matters I raised. Surely it is pointless, and indeed stupid, to villify persons on this site instead of trying to consider the issues.

Such as 40 years of failed federal policies.

And why the need for vulgarity? Kate sometimes uses it, but in my experience for literary effect rather than as a subsitute for argument.

As a total aside, in Ottawa we have an all-sports radio station (The Team 1200) that, when not doing its own programming, relies on Fox Sports Radio (used to carry ESPN radio). FSR is the worst broadcasting I have ever heard. I have chosen to listen, when desperate, to anything on the CBC instead when I cannot pick up WFAN NY, or 1000 Chicago. Now that's bad.

Mark
Ottawa

Premiers agree to 10-year plan to eradicate aboriginal poverty
CALGARY (CP) - Canada's premiers agreed Tuesday to support a 10-year plan that aims to eliminate aboriginal poverty and right historic wrongs...

>>>>> Librano$ not at the table? Right wrongs? More free taxes? 10-year plan? Uh-huh.

This seems to be one of the few "Aboriginal" topics on SDA that has got much in the way of comments. If Ian is bothering to read any of these comments after his threat to leave then I'd recommend he contrast Kate with someone like myself. Kate posts about aboriginal issues because she still cares about the subject and reads up on the subject. Me, on the other hand, I've never commented on any of the "aboriginal" topicsbecause I've GIVEN UP ON THE NATIVES! I really just don't care anymore! I think that's probably why many of the other SDA readers don't comment on those posts either. I'm not proud of my attitude towards natives, I mean as a Canadian I really should have some more compassion towards those who are abused and desparately poor, but I just can't muster any respect for a people that blame ME for all their problems because I've got white skin, and then WON'T LET me help them when I want to. NATIVES NEED TO BE ASSIMILATED INTO WESTERN VALUES AND CULTURE. That's the only way they'll ever get out of the mess they're in.
--Bacardi Breezer. (Bite me if you don't like it!)

"The great mistake has been the creation of an industry/bureaucracy that pretends--to its great profit--to deal with the problems on the basis of ever-expanding principles rather than actually coming up with practical efforts to help the people who are suffering."

Indeed. Solving the problem would put too many people out of work. Talk about a conflict of interest.

I'm really curious... other than a vague reference in the Star Phoenix about a couple of Fringe-goers having been swarmed, I haven't been able to find any media reports of buskers being robbed or of Indian Posse involvement... where did this info come from?

We need to figure out why serial killing is primarily a white man's activity...

Read the literature and you'll find out. Serial killing is generally the product of societies rich enough to create a lower middle class - the strata from which the majority of serial killers spring - with lesser social cohesion, and it generally occurs in guys from fractured/non-traditional families. Most of the societies you find these conditions in are in NA or Europe. Hence, more white serial killers. Unlike black/native gangs, race is pretty indicental to the phenomenon.

Glen, you seldom see overt references to aboriginal gang involvement in media reports on crime. It's always just a "homocide" or "stabbing", or "home invasion" without particulars.

However, it's a common topic on local talk radio, which is what was the basis for the original post.

That's when the calls come in from people in the community and you find out the backstory of events, along with the ones that have gone completely unreported.

I also think there may have been some senstivity to the swarmings at the Fringe, out of concern that it would affect attendance, but that's just my guess - perhaps they'll cover it later.

(BTW - to correct part of an earlier comment, the treatment center I referenced is a provincially funded Metis Addictions and not limited to Metis patients.)

"Glen, you seldom see overt references to aboriginal gang involvement in media reports on crime. It's always just a "homocide" or "stabbing", or "home invasion" without particulars."

Journalists generally try to avoid reporting on the race of offenders.

The race isn't important - the gang angle is, imo. They have little problem reporting on Hells Angel's crime, but the very fact that the aboriginal gangs attach race to their identity gives them media PC cover.

I would just be happy if the media would give us ALL the facts (including race/religion) and allow us to come to our own conclusions about what is going on.

Just read the above posts. Whew! Hot topic on a hot day!

To put it in a nutshell, for me, race must be treated as irrelevant. Everyone must have identical rights and responsibilities. Expectations must not be raised or lowered for anyone on the basis of race. The state must not discriminate either against or in favor of anyone on the basis of race. The state must ensure that all citizens have equal access to the economic and social aspects of Canada and not be coerced into remaining segregated in any way, shape or form due to race.

Unfortunately, the Liberal Party of Canada does NOT adhere to any of the above principles, in my opinion. I see nothing but discrimination all over the place, both favorable and unfavorable, on the basis of all kinds of things that don't matter at all, like race. This is why Aboriginals remain segregated, generation after generation, on "reservations" in terrible third-world living conditions with all sorts of social ills and practically no economy. This despite the billions and billions of dollars transferred to the Aboriginal politicians. I want to know what exactly happens to those billions upon which the Aboriginal politicians get their hands. How much of it do they use to help ordinary Aboriginals? How much do they keep to enrich themselves? It's a terrible reality. They refrain from criticizing the Liberals wrt the horrible living conditions on reservations so long as they, the leaders of the residents, get to do with the billions of non-Aboriginals' dollars as they please, with NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Of course, they will say this is a racist thing to say. Of course, because it always hits hard to accuse anyone who disagrees or criticizes them wrt ANY issue at all of being racist. Mercredi, Coon Come and Fontaine all have done it. After all, they're politicians, just like Chretien and Martin, so why expect them to be any different, any less corrupt, less greedy, less assholish?

It's the politicians, both nonAboriginal and Aboriginal and the MSM and the left in general who are responsible for the sad plight of our fellow citizens who simply happen to be of Native ancestry. They're trapped by the morons who think they should be treated differently because of their race, and unfortunately, this treatment is deemed "politically correct" and anyone who says anything about it gets branded "racist". This is wrong. Very wrong. I wish all people could understand that. Kate certainly understands, and isn't afraid to show she cares. On the other hand, people like Mr. Scott unfortunately are blinded by an arrogant, false confidence that they are right, borne of being told by gov't and the MSM and their friends that it's the right thing to think and say. They won't think for themselves. Pity. Meanwhile, Aboriginals continue to suffer from state-enforced inequality.

I therefore condemn the left wing in general, including the federal government and MSM, for their discrimination.

This topic and the heated jousting was very valuable to me. I admit to not knowing the full picture filled out here.

My sister worked as a councellor in the Q'uepelle Valley for a few years, yet she never clued me in like this fracas did.

Seems to me there is endless evidence that the Indian affairs gang certainly do not deserve their annual government bonuses.

These conditions provide the breeding grounds for enraged youth to morph into the bandana masked terrorists we are bound to see more of on our TV screens.

The Libranos are criminally neglegent in not addressing these riots in the making.

Million dollar studies sit on shelves gathering dust, while Martinites lavish riches upon Ontario and Quebec voting blocs. There will be a price to pay. 73s TG

"They're trapped by the morons who think they should be treated differently because of their race, and unfortunately, this treatment is deemed "politically correct" and anyone who says anything about it gets branded "racist". This is wrong. Very wrong. I wish all people could understand that."

So "race-based rights" are bad.. but "race-based policy"... like Kate has suggested... residential schools for Indian kids is good.

Unbelievable.
Yah. KKKate KKKares.

Virtually every government program involving Indians in Saskatchewan is "race based". There are "race- based" drug treatment centers, "race based" penal institutions, "race-based" university. The federal, provincial and city governments have "race-based" hiring policies. Even sentencing in Canadian courts is "race- based" by edict of the Supreme Court.

Adoption is "race-based". It's extremely difficult for anyone to adopt a First Nations child if they aren't First Nations - and doubly so if that child happens to be bringing in government $$$ to a reserve council somewhere.

Yet - to suggest that "race -based" boarding schools might help protect the hundreds of abandoned, abusedor out of control First Nations children who wander the streets from the time they are tiny tots, the pre-teens who are in the sex industry, drug addicted, who are the product of the cottage industry of baby-making that the welfare system here sets the wheels in motion - that makes a "racist" KKKatie.

Well, then may I suggest a few other name changes. A short list: KKKIndian And Northern Affairs, SasKKKatchewan Community Resources and Employment, KKKFNUC, and the Supreme KKKourt Of Canada.

"Drugcop" deliberately left out the rest of my paragraph which he partially lifted:

"...Kate certainly understands, and isn't afraid to show she cares. On the other hand, people like Mr. Scott unfortunately are blinded by an arrogant, false confidence that they are right, borne of being told by gov't and the MSM and their friends that it's the right thing to think and say. They won't think for themselves. Pity. Meanwhile, Aboriginals continue to suffer from state-enforced inequality."

So that's the rest of what I wrote. Shame on "Drugcop" for twisting my words and selectively quoting them out of context to try to support his vicious defamation of Kate.

People like Mr. Scott and "Drugcop" are two of the lefty morons who support state-sanctioned apartheid and won't think at all for themselves and go around defaming good people. They must be Libranos.

I would say to "Drugcop": FucKKK Off, Drugcop. If anyone's a KKK or whatever, it's you. Have a nice day. Somewhere else.

How sad to see "Ian Scott" flounce off. By the way, I actually knew Ian Scott, and you're no Ian Scott, pal. (Oh, I've wanted to use that line for years!) Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. It might injure your boyfriend's dick.

Perhaps it will slowly sink in that, if you can't stand the sight of natives being referred to as human beings accountable for their actions, this is not the place for you?

"Yet - to suggest that "race -based" boarding schools might help protect the hundreds of abandoned, abusedor out of control First Nations children"

Yes.. and we all know how well "race-based boarding schools" worked out in the past.. don't we KKKAte?

But thanks for admitting that you are openly advocating for race-based social policy concering Aboriginal Children.

I think the Human Rights Commission will be very interested in this indeed.

Not to mention some of the native gangs in your neck of the woods.

I know what Drugcop is trying to do. I recognize his tactic. Typical left-wing extremist illogical defamation. He's brainwashed; programmed by the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy headed by Supreme Overlord Paul Martin, to believe all that he is told. No wonder Drugcop cannot understand a damn thing. He simply parrots whatever his moonie brethren are saying.

Drugcop, if your identity is discovered, you realize you could be the subject of a civil defamation suit? You really should halt what you're trying to do to an innocent person. It is not nice to go around spreading vile, hurtful lies about good people just because you're stupid and have no self-esteem and feel you need to cut others down so you can feel better for yourself. I strongly recommend that you back off and try to think about the folly and consequences of your antisocial, uncivilized actions.

People are slowly shaking their heads at you, "Drugcop".

"Drugcop" must be one of those fartheaded, masked left-wing extremist "protestors" who allow themselves to be recruited by agents and friends of the Librano$ who speak code words that have been planted into the heads of these dishevelled, unkempt, scruffy, shaggy, malodorous ruffian hooligan buffoons by the MSM as triggers to obey the state apparatus and do whatsoever it orders.

These livestock moonbats can be seen on TV throwing rocks and molotov coctails at police, seen harrassing and beating people they've been told to hate by the state apparatus, as we've seen in Kristallnacht at Concordia. These people are the Western version of the suicide-murderous, believing-in-72-virgins pawns of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda et al. They obviously were indoctrinated from a very early age on whom to hate and whom to hurt in society. It's a sad, terrible state for our civilization to be in. These individuals are very scary indeed.

Woe Canadahar.

Drugcop is an idiot, that's all that really needs to be said.

Why does DrugCop sound so much like Meaghan Walker Williams when she writes?

Kate McMillan admits that she drove a vehicle while stoned, endangering the lives of people, with reckless abandon and due concern for their safety.

She ought to be locked up.

She is a self-admitted criminal.

Prove it, "Drugcop" or shut up.

And, "Drugcop", what is your real name? You are a coward to make these fulsome slurs without identifying yourself. You have no credibility, integrity or balls.

Please leave and never return.

Worthless pile of weasel excrement.

Here's another message for "Drugcop" or Meaghan Walker Williams, an actual photographic representation of that moronic dumbass:

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/5566.html

Here's another one for DC, aka MWW:

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/5385.html