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July 27, 2005

No War For Convenience Stores!

Call the UN. Now those hegemonic Bushitler-votin' Christian fundamentalists are forcing the good people of Toronto to shoot each other.


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I can just see the Liberals next worthwhile Canadian initiative: a public full-court diplomatic press to convince the US to institute a national gun registry. Would play well in the urban Liberal heartland, as part of the "urban agenda", and resonate with the Liberals' anti-American base.

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins at July 27, 2005 11:04 AM

"Overall, crime is down in Toronto, confirmed by last week's national crime figures. That is very encouraging news," Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said in a statement yesterday.

"The number of gun calls in Toronto is stable," he added, "but I have been concerned for some time at the willingness of small numbers of young men to engage in gunplay in heavily populated areas."
These statements are very encouraging--is this what 'Annie get our guns' meant by 'psychologically' preparing us for 'terrorists? Just a few fun loving guys shooting it up--not a crime--don'e worry be happy? Not our fault--those damn Americans don't have gun control? Why do Americans have to control guns in Canada? I thought that is what our registry was for. Obviously everyone will register their guns--illegal or not--it is the LAW!
These comments are another indication that the main aim of the $2B boondoggle has confiscation of all guns as its ultimate aim. No guns is the way to go--especially if the Americans won't co-operate and keep sending those dastardly guns up here to shoot innocent people in Toronto. Guess this shoots holes in the stats re crime decreasing, eh?

Posted by: George at July 27, 2005 11:12 AM

More anti-american ramblings, like our good friend Ms. Parrish. Never miss an opportunity to slam our neighbours.

On that topic, and again in today's National Post an op-ed piece from a professor at MIT(Mass. academic, not exactly a bastion of right-wing thinkers).

Highlights our new identity as Canadians. Much of it is SAD but TRUE. He concludes that our economy is highly vulnerable, Americans know where the Arctic blast originates, maybe us Candians should be reminded where our prosperity originates.

Posted by: Ken at July 27, 2005 11:12 AM

Obviously, these people have not read John Lott's "More guns, less crime" and how restrictive gun laws actually increase violent crime. But wait, I'm making a rational agrument, and this is all about doing what feels right, even though reality suggests otherwise.

Plus, isn't this an indictment on our border security that all this contraband is coming through? Again - I'm making sense and addressing the problems. Sorry, about that.

Posted by: Mitch at July 27, 2005 11:16 AM

Miller displays the intellectual vacancy of his leftist ideologies here. He seems to want to engage in animism ( the neolithic religion that ascribed spirits inhabit inanimate objects) in making us beklive these guns made the gangsters shoot each other......anything to escape the reality eh David. Ya got a GANG problem not a gun problem...it's already illegal to own the damn gun in the first plce let alone use then in crimes.. but if you want one to run your drug turf you get one.

Simple minded commie pap blaming America for ethnic gang culture that Canada imported itself.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at July 27, 2005 11:22 AM

I'm surpised the T.O. mayor didn't also suggest that another contibuting factor in the shootings is the smog that originates in the US and hovers over their city.

Toronto Unlimited....what a joke!!

I agree with Ken...the article in the National Post by the MIT Prof is a must read...Canada is described as a "nuisance neighbour", and it is tough to argue with any of his points supporting that description. If he described us as a yappy little dog, that too would have been appropriate.

I'm sick of all the anti-Americanism we see in this smarmy, inconsequential country we have turned into.

Posted by: Jon at July 27, 2005 11:26 AM

This news released in 2001; four years have gone by.
Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Conservative; a hero; a man with testosterone;a man with balls, guts, and a true Canadian patriot.
Three cheers for Garry Breitkreuz: Huzzah, Huzzah, Huzzah.... Good job, Garry!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>

NEWS RELEASE
December 13, 2001 For Immediate Release
MILLIONS MORE GUNS IN CANADA THAN THE GOVERNMENT WILL ADMIT

“Where did the millions of guns go between 1974 and 1994? Why is the government misleading us?"

Ottawa – Today, Garry Breitkreuz, the Official Opposition’s gun control critic, threw another monkey wrench into the Liberal’s problem-plagued gun registry. No matter how you count the number of guns in Canada, the government’s own reports show that there are millions more guns in Canada than the government is willing to admit. “This research will be an embarrassment to the government because the Justice Department is busy conducting new polls to once again lower the estimate of the number of firearms they have to register before the end of December 2002,” said Breitkreuz.

“There are two ways of counting guns. One is to examine official records and the other is to survey firearm owners. On both counts the government’s current estimate of 7 million non-military firearms is vastly underestimated,” revealed Breitkreuz. (Note: Research paper is available here )

ACTUAL NUMBER OF FIREARMS IN CANADA

In 1945, despite massive non-compliance, the RCMP managed to register nearly 2 million firearms, comprised of 1.7 million rifles and shotguns and the remainder handguns. Add to this the nearly 8 million firearms imported between 1945 and 2000 and you get 10 million firearms.

Please note that to arrive at this figure of 10 million firearms we did not:

* Add any portion of the more than 6 million firearms manufactured in Canada from the 1920s to present; or
* Subtract up to one-quarter of a million guns destroyed by the RCMP between 1978-2000, or
* Subtract the 1.6 million firearms exported between 1970-1998.

GOVERNMENT ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER OF FIREARMS – 1974-1976

In May of 1976, Liberal Justice Minister Ron Basford published a report that stated: “At the same time, there has been a steady increase in the number of firearms in Canada. Estimates place the number at over ten million in 1974, with almost one-quarter million added to the stock every year. Most of these firearms are long guns (rifles and shotguns).” [Emphasis added] The Minister was no doubt referring to an extensive Statistics Canada survey that reported that in 1974 the Firearms Stock in Canada consisted of 11,186,000 firearms.

Using the Justice Minister’s 1974 estimates I calculated: 10 million firearms + 6,500,000 (250,000/year x 26 years) = 16,500,000 firearms in Canada in 2001.
>>>http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/GunControl50.htm

Posted by: maz2 at July 27, 2005 11:36 AM

Typical liberal mindset. The border guards are more concerned about the potential of increased Liquor smuggling due to a possible LCBO strike than they are with doing their job by stopping gun smuggling.

Posted by: mark at July 27, 2005 11:52 AM

If, vis "Bowling for Columbine", Kleibold and Harris went on their rampage because there was a weapons plant near their school...

that must mean there's a weapons plant in Toronto somewhere! Or, that Charlton Heston is speaking at the Toronto Convention Centre.

Or... er... something... So hard to think like a Lefty... need more Chomsky... must nap now.

And Miller can never and will never say this but: we don't have a gang problem or a gun problem. We have a criminal Jamaican immigrant problem.

Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at July 27, 2005 11:55 AM

Mitch: you missed the point of Lotts findings; that responsible civilian gun ownership coupled with a civil atmosphere which allows pegitimate legal armed self defense, results in lower criminal use of firearms and less gun crimes.

Applied in the Toronto projects that starts spraying a play ground with pistol fire will be taken down by a trained armed civilian standing in for the abscent police. Crime has raged out of control since this socialist state claimed a monopoly on law enforcement and justice by legislating the civilian out of the enforcement of the peace and the jury trial system of justice.

BTW Lott's case study findings have never been successfully refuted. An armed and empowered citizenry has a definate impact in reducing violent crime in every jurisdiction in which this exists. Jurisdictions with heavy civilian restrictions on arms ownership and self defense experience higher volumes of violent crime.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at July 27, 2005 12:05 PM

To Mr. Miller the fact that the vast majority of the shootings in Toronto are committed by newer Canadians of Jamaican ancestry seems to be irrelevant. To acknowledge that would be racism wouldn't it. In addition as true Canadians lets handcuff the police when they look to arrest the vilolators by accussing them of racial profiling.
When Arnie Swartz. talks about girlie men, Mayor Miller is exhibit one.

Posted by: Steve L. at July 27, 2005 12:30 PM

Seven shootings on the streets of Toronto in one thirteen hour period, (and another one this morning). Police Chief Whatzisname claims this is probably gang-related, and this is "unacceptible"!?! Duh- I feel safer already.

Posted by: dave at July 27, 2005 12:38 PM

Ah, but as our dear gay friend Justin would remind us if he were conscious right now, the crime rate in Toronto is dropping. And as long as things are improving on paper, how dare we complain about what's actually happening on the street. If living on paper is good enough for him, it's damn well good enough for you.

Posted by: ebt at July 27, 2005 12:53 PM

Funny that the MSM conviently left out the fact that in at least three of the cases the assailants are known to be black.

Wouldn't want that known racial component to enter into a discussion of gang violence problems in Toronto.....

Posted by: mark at July 27, 2005 12:59 PM

Don't ya just LOVE it when a plan comes together.Now if we can just convince these law abiding,gun registring thugs to kill off a few more Librano$ voters,problem solved!!/sarc off
Okay Screech...how the f**k is your vaunted Gun Registry working now??Here's a thought for you and your fem-bot nazi womens groups that started the registry...HIRE MORE BORDER GUYS/GALS so we can stop this problem.Or better yet,allow the average Joe to carry a gun to defend themselves.Crime rates are down.Right.And I am the next Wayne Gretzky.Toronto,you deserve what you get.Librano$ wasteland.Maybe this is just Mother Nature taking care of the f&&king rot in our country.

Posted by: Justthinkin at July 27, 2005 1:12 PM

Why are we not hearing from Wendy Cukier ? Are not all Toronto gun owners registered yet? Does she have her "Gun Free Home" sign in her front window? For two billion bucks Canadian you would think Toronto should be gun free and not be emulating DODGE city.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at July 27, 2005 3:28 PM

As Joe Molnar mentioned, Miller appears to be emphasizing both that guns are being smuggled across the border and that the gun registry is not effective. If he TRULY believes this is the case and Miller is a man of integrity, he can't let this issue drop simply with an idle anti-American comment. He should aggressively pursue this with the feds since gun laws don't appears to be changing anytime soon in the U.S.

Posted by: Fool_Westerner at July 27, 2005 3:43 PM


Hmmm makes me wonder if all them 'merican guns in Toronto is just retaliation for all of Toronto's garbage down there ??

Nahhhhh. They like Toronto's garbage.

Posted by: Fred at July 27, 2005 3:53 PM

An armed society is a polite society.

If I can pass the same background test as an RCMP recruit, pass the same legal-use-of-force training as the recruit as well as the weapons-handling training, then why shouldn't I be able to carry?

After work hours and out of uniform, a cop is just another citizen, yet many carry a concealed weapon. I don't like the double-standard and I don't like the patronising state "protecting" me; I'm happier being responsible for my own safety, thanks very much.

Posted by: Doc B at July 27, 2005 4:57 PM

The gun resgistry project isn't about registering guns. It's a pogey scheme for civil service bureaucrats and their sycophants in the public-sector contracting-scam industry.

Posted by: Tony at July 27, 2005 6:16 PM

The gun registry is nonsense, expensive nonsense, and the Liberals have known it from the start. The architects of the program knew all along that it would NOT do anything at all to reduce or eliminate gun violence. After all, the Libs don't want a police state in which criminals are rounded up all the time. Rather, the constituencies which are largely Conservative in terms of representation and in terms of the sport-related ownership of firearms, have been made to suffer so as to reinforce Liberal support in cities, where long guns are relatively rare- after all, who's going to hunt in the concrete jungle? Where are the moose etc.? It's all about politics and power. The Libs wrote off many votes they realized were strongly Conservative at any rate. They wrote off rural Canada, Western Canada, they foresook many voters in the Maritimes, where many do like to hunt. Ditto for many in Central Canada who simply wish to have an interesting recreational activity and are very responsible with their equipment. They are forced to suffer and pay for it at the same time via taxes.

Yes, it was a political winner for the Libs. That's all they have ever cared about: power, as well as the money they get their hands on while in it.

Gun violence will INCREASE in the future, and the Libs know they're to blame, not the U.S. I imagine the Americans are right now incredulous at being blamed for the violent actions of a few individuals in foolish old boy David Miller's TO.

The Libs know the baddies will get guns, simple. The Libs are aware of the black market, the gangs, organized crime, terrorist sleeper cells, openly terroristic individuals permitted to live openly and freely among us, like the Khadrs, a thousand Chinese Communist spies walking among us and violent, psychotic pedophiles allowed to go about freely as they please, like Karl Toft, rapist of over 100 young boys and Karla Homolka, to mention only two KNOWN ones. The Libs will NEVER inconvenience any of these groups. After all, they are largely city dwellers and therefore vote Liberal as long as the Libs leave them alone.

They will only inconvenience ordinary, law-abiding people who do not normally vote Liberal. These are regular, conservative, contributing, taxpaying, family-raising, volunteering, patriotic Canadians who have a right to have their government represent their interests equally, not to be discriminated against at the say-so of the Prime Minister.

Isn't that right, people?

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 27, 2005 7:00 PM

Of course all the weapons are registered?..............

Here's a news bulletin- crooks don't register weapons and terrorists don't register explosives. The money should have gone into manpower and training instead it went down the toilet.
newsbeat1.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
Bad guys, bullets and dogs
Drug cops run gauntlet in raids

By BRIAN HAYES / Staff Reporter / Metro's drug wars

It was a drug raid that came close to going tragically wrong.

As armed narcotics officers got set to barge through the door of a suspect's home in Spryfield, other officers peering through a window were horrified to see a man inside levelling a rifle at the door.
>>>>>> The rest at:
http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2005/07/28/f243.raw.html

Posted by: maz2 at July 28, 2005 2:46 PM

Toronto Subway Was Closed for `Unspecified Threat' (Update1)
Bloomberg - 2 hours ago
July 28 (Bloomberg) -- Eighteen stations on Toronto's subway system were shut down for about an hour this morning after police in Canada's largest city received an ``unspecified threat,'' a transportation commission spokeswoman said. ...
Toronto Police investigate subway bomb threat CTV
Toronto subway shuts briefly after threat
cnews.canoe.ca

Posted by: maz2 at July 28, 2005 2:55 PM

Guns don’t kill people Christian fundamentalists do.

Personally I’m more afraid of the Christian fundamentalists than the Muslims.

Posted by: loboy2k at July 29, 2005 2:48 PM

Some asshole just said:

"Guns don’t kill people Christian fundamentalists do.

Personally I’m more afraid of the Christian fundamentalists than the Muslims."

Hey! You bigotted leftofascist! How dare you express hatred of Christians! How dare you even think (as you've been ordered by the Supreme Overlord of the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy) that we Christians are somehow worse than the Islamofascist terrorists!

BITE ME, WORTHLESS LEFTY MORON!

YOU ARE TERMINATED, MOONBAT! GO TO BLAZES!

Someone contact the Human Rights Tribunal and charge this fecking bloody moonie with inciting hatred!

Posted by: The Terminator at July 29, 2005 7:07 PM

The gun crime stats in T.O. have to be a lie.

There are a lot more people being shot in Toronto.
We only used to hear about people getting shot during Caribana, now it's an on going problem.

Just another lie brought to you by our lefty government and sung by our lefty MSM.
David Miller is just another Comrade Jack Layton waiting to be vaulted into provincial or federal politics.
Rob Ford and only a few others are really the only reasonable voices in municipal government here ,the rest are as extreme,wasteful, and nutty as it gets.

Posted by: richfisher at July 31, 2005 1:00 PM

so...terminator, are you saying you are a christian fundi, or that there is no such thing? or that worring about the american KKK (a christian fundi organisation as I recall) is a group suffering bigotry at the hands of liberals?To what do you take exception exactly? personally, I am also much more afraid to live with the christian fundies, than the muslim fundies, 'cause I actually do live with the christian fundies-hell, me own brother journied to harrass the poor resdidents of a certain hospice in florida, so I sure as shit know a goof ball when i sees one...yeppers, we got a right bunch of wakos down here, and in little george they have their hands on the button, unlike the islamos who only wish they did. call me a moon bat, Mr. "terminator", all ya want...but it won't make it so....besides, how many moonbats type with a loaded G3 battle rifle leaning against the computer table, I ask ya?
f'n fako conservative wankers make me ill. pull yer damn socks up and volunteer for service in iraq baby boy, shoot you some islamos, then get back to me.

Posted by: sarge at July 31, 2005 2:24 PM

Huh. What're you doing playing with your computer, boy? Go eliminate some insurgents. I would love to be a soldier myself, like my brothers, but unfortunately cannot, as I cannot hear a bloody thing. Gotta hear what the sarge says and not ask 'im to please repeat, sir, right?

Now get off my ass. If you're truly a warrior doing his duty in Iraq, then you'll discuss issues with me with respect. I don't think you realize just how conservative I really am. You, sir, have no fecking idea. So bugger off, old bean.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 11:12 AM

no, tell sarge just how conservative ya are? can 'o zyclon B in the pantry conservative or just fat pasty snow white computer tan conservative? sarge wonders how sarge's service would somehow make mr. McAllister deserving of sarge's respect. it seems a leap of logic to sarge.

Posted by: sarge at August 2, 2005 12:14 PM
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