Hope someone can convert it to English.

Yes English PLEASE.

I'm sure happy I paid attention in French class and I had Corn Flakes boxes to read! This stuff is amazing!

WOW. If he can manage all of those enterprises successfully, he's got my vote.

Power Corp. Holdings: AdScam Martin's "Godfather":
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Power Corporation of Canada is a diversified management and holding company. Power Corporation of Canada has holdings in leading financial services and the communications sector.

Through its European-based affiliate Pargesa group, Power Corporation holds significant positions in major media, energy, water, waste services, and specialty minerals companies.

Power Corporation also has diversified interests in Asia.
http://www.powercorporation.com/index.php?lang=eng

Ever thought of changing the name of this blogg to "Fox News- North."

Noel & Don

AS leader of the Liberal Party of Canada Paul Martin has demonstrated a lack of ethics and a willingness to do anything, in full public view, to maintain his grip on power. Do you think he uses a different set of rules in running his businesses? Fox news north, high praise indeed. Can't wait until the official version gets here

Don:
Changing the name to Fox North?

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Martin, Demarais, Strong et al are the REAL owners of Eastern Canada. Time the West escaped this morass of corruption and hypocrisy.

Power Corporation huh? So it really IS all about getting, holding, and maintaining power with these people. The socialist "newspeak" and "doublethink" media rhetoric is just one convenient means of blowing smoke and doing that.

What I find so fascinating that if you scratch a liberal from Quebec, Alberta, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, or anywhere really you find a federalist. If you scratch a memeber of the CPC you find one that hates SSM, or one that hates gays in general, or one that wants their province to seperate, or one that wants another province to separate, or someone that hates minoroties, or someone that hates CBC, and usually someone who hates liberals. The CPC is an interesting cast of characters. And if we get Fox News North....you'll even be told who to hate and be cheered on while doing it.

If a "federalist" is someone who believes in using the power of the state illegally to harm his neighbours and enrich himself, why, you may be right, Don. And if refusal to put up with criminality equals "hate", and "gay", "minority", "liberal", etc., are all just euphemisms for "criminal", then I can't argue with you.

On any other basis, you're a contemptibly stupid lying ass.

Innuendo and caricatures instead of facts -- good Liberal, Don. Atta boy. Good Liberal.

You've never actually watched Fox News, have you Don?

But the CBC and Toronto Star sure have brainwashed you about who to hate - conservatives.

I enjoy interviews on Fox news. Watched O'reilly hold a Republican governor to account and not let him weasel out. Antonio Zerbais from Star also tried to weasel out and again didn't get away with it. Saw the Chairman of Boeing right after the Boeing scandal, squirming and sweating. Real interviews, no softball questions, people held to account.
That is what we need in Canada.

EBT- Time for bed, muffin. You can polish your swatika tomorrow.

Hey Don,
If Canada had a "FOX NEWS North" I wager we would not have ten years of uninterrupted Liberal government corruption.
MSM needs a a FOX News Canada wake-up!
And a federal civil service top level shake-up, RCMP included.

I'm just a unedjakated Murkin. Wuts a "swatika"?

It's all about who you know, or don't know, that counts:

Maurice Strong
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_STRONG_MAURICE_F

Conrad Black
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_BLACK_CONRAD_M%20%28LORD%20BLACK%20OF%20CROSSHARBOUR%29

& finally our PM (Paul Martin who?)
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_MARTIN_PAUL_%28PM%29

Sorry S...meant swastika..didn't mean to offend

Go easy on Don: dawn breaks slowly for those who sleep soundly; or, it breaks with a boom...boom...boom..da da da boom, as it has in London, England. Once Humpty Dumpty Don falls, the yolk is on his shell; never to be put together again.
Don:swastika is spelled: swastika.
# An ancient cosmic or religious symbol formed by a Greek cross with the ends of the arms bent at right angles in either a clockwise or a counterclockwise direction.
# Such a symbol with a clockwise bend to the arms, used as the emblem of the Nazi party and of the German state under Adolf Hitler, officially adopted in 1935.
Remember: facts, please, and correct spelling is a must for conservatives.

I love Conservatives and the CPC.

Apparently, the voting public in this country is so stupid, backwards and easily led down the garden path, that if only they'd see things the way the CPC and it's supporters see it, Harper would have been elected.

Stupid Evil Libs, what with winning the election and all. Jerks!

That's not to say they aren't corrupt. There needs to be accountability, but the majority of the country doesn't seem that interested in seeing that happen.

Of course, if you think Harper, McKay or any iteration of the CPC, PC, or Reform party (or the NDP or Bloc for that matter) aren't equally corrupt, then I have some lovely summer real estate for you just outside of Tuktuyuktuk for you.

As for FOX News... well let's just say that I can appreciate an opposing viewpoint, but I've seen O'Reilly bully and shout over a few too many guests to actually buy the "Fair and Balanced" schtick.

The loudest view isn't necessarily based in truth. But if it's the view you want to believe, then good for you.

And insinuating gay, minority or liberal are euphamisms for criminal is petty and offensive, and a pretty weak debate tactic.

Don,
I'm going to resort to name calling here.. but you opened the door.
Don, you're an asshole!
I'm a CPC member and I don't hate gays. My gay neice is getting married soon and this old uncle will be at the wedding. I don't hate Liberals, just what they have done to this country that I served faithfully for 26 years. I don't hate the CBC but I don't condone their reporting biases.
I don't agree with provinces separating, but , as with any marriage, even this political one, sometimes one partner or the other feels they have had enough. I understand the feelings of Quebec and Alberta.
To imply that this Blog would ever tell us to hate someone or something is an insult
As I said. you're an Asshole!

Since grammar appears to be a huge issue here, there should have been a period after insult, old squid.

Insult.

Wow, we've got a professional debater here to give us tips! Gee, vagabond, sorry my tactics are so weak. I should stick to good old barefaced lying, like you.

You're well aware that I didn't equate gays, minorities or liberals with criminals. (Yes, I'm well aware that all such people are much likelier than average to be criminals, but that's up to them, isn't it?) Don said conservatives hate such people. And I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of conservatives I've met who hate anything other than criminals. It's Don's equivilancy, not mine. As we can all see perfectly clearly. As you knew perfectly well when you lied.

Monte Solberg is corrupt? You're lying. Stephen Harper is corrupt? You're lying. Come on. Prove that you're not.

What, can't do it? Easier to sit back and sneer, is it? Thought so. Come on, where's that debating brilliance when you need it?

You hate two-thirds of the population of this country. You hate all its institutions, all its heretage, all its history, and you fight to destroy it. And you think you can criticise the conservatives for being hateful? That's not debating, that's nosepicking.

Sheesh! Vagabond, these guys are good. We're in wey over our heads here. Apparently, and I say this truely, I'm an asshole and you're a nosepicker, and there's a pretty decent chance we're both crimminals. And, and, no less an authority than EBT (No Shit, EBT!)says we hate 2/3 rds of the country. And he's backed up by old squid, a tolerant CPCer if there ever was one, who even loves his queer niece. I don't know Vangabond, I think these wacko right-wing nutjobs want to take over the country, go to war in Iraq, and worship that silly chimp, George W. Bush. Than God, thank God, the Canadian people are a lot brighter than them.

"Of course, if you think Harper, McKay or any iteration of the CPC, PC, or Reform party (or the NDP or Bloc for that matter) aren't equally corrupt, then I have some lovely summer real estate for you just outside of Tuktuyuktuk for you."

Wow...using that kind of logic the American people should'nt have voted democrat in 1976 becuase the Dems are "equally corrupt".

But just out of curiosity, do you have any proof that Harper and MckAY are corrupt? Go ahead, I'm all eyes and ears.

Ah yes... the left-lib pulls from their arsenal that 500 ton argument reserved only for the most challenging of debates on Canadian politics to demonstrate, yet again, the intellectual inferiority of the right...

"BUSH IS A CHIMP!"

I don't believe that either Steve "let's build a firewall" Harper or Peter "I"ll sign the back of a napkin and promise we'll never merge" MacKay are corrupt. A tad disingenuous at times, perhaps.

What the hell is the matter with you people? Stephen McA is not evern here yet, and everyone is jumping all over each other? :-)

But seriously -- a question: for how long has the Martin family been building their financial empire? I'm just curious to know how far back it goes, or has everything shown in the chart been amassed under Paul Jr.?

No Don the Canadian people are not brighter than them - they keep electing you corrupt, lying bastard. We CPC supporters merely wish Canandians were alot brighter than that and could see throught all the smears.

PM so far has been the most devisive PM we have had, and this from a guy who campaigned on bringing the west in. So far he's further alienated Quebec and the west. Two Tier health, dispite all the vilifying of RK, was decided by the courts. Peacekeeping - sending 35 year old re-fit Sea Kings to Afghanistan - good idea. That's three strikes on quintessential Canadian issues that Canadians claim are core values. Tell me what exactly have you lying bastards done - but ruin this country and things that we're supposed to stand for.

Most of us here are tired of you lot mocking us, look at your bloody track record and lets hear you actually defend any of it on it's merits!!!

Pretty much by Jr. (of whom I am no great fan, by the way). But daddy certainly opened the right doors.

Oh my god, "firewalls"! Jesus, I surrender. Anybody who wants constitutional government according to the rule of law must by definition be corrupt as hell. What a fool I was to tangle with professional nosepickers - oops, I'm so sorry, debaters - like you.

But seriously, isn't interesting that these people don't actually have any reasons or ideas to back their assertions up with? Just lies (you'll notice nobody mentioned Bush until they asserted we were all backing Bush), abuse, and more lies. Well, enough of this, I'm going to debate my nose for a while.

Don,
I don't recall ever claiming I was "tolerant", and , yes, I do love my neice. You see, it's apparent that if people are different from you, you don't like them and you seem to harbour a desire to get rid of them by using ridicule or insults.
Ain't gonna work, bud. Your kind will be dust before that works on me.
My original opinion still stands!

"Stupid Evil Libs, what with winning the election and all. Jerks!"

You mean the election that should have been called when they lost multiple votes of confidence? Oh wait, that election never happened. The Liberal Party believes in accountable government about as much as Charles I did.

Kate,

Please ... don't bother dignifying fools like Don with debate .... in doing so you take de bait.

This great blogg is becoming a victim of it's own popularity. It becoming a chat room for juveniles.

Please ... don't respond to fools. They will only get you a sore stomache. Just ignore them and they will get bored an move on the places like Rabble.ca where they belong.

Squid........you said "..if people are different from you, you don't like them." Untrue. We are a wonderful nation with a diversity that is breath taking. We come from many cultures, faiths, and races. We are a great country. This bullshit that all liberals are crimminals because of adscam is such trash is a crock. Hell, if Martin's mother is involved in adscam throw her in jail. These were seriously corrupt dudes and no jail cell is to filthy for their ilk.
When Brian Mulroney had cabinet ministers and senators end up in jail, I'd didn't call Tory friends and aquaintences and call them thieves, liars and crooks.
Man, I'm a memeber of the Liberal Party. The party of Laurier, King, St.Laurent, Pearson, Trudeau , Turner (ok..he was a short lived, better dressed Joe Clark), and Chretien. I'm content to live through this slight period of rather unenlightened leadership by Martin. He won't be there much longer. I can do this because the flag, CPP, UIC, U.N. peacekeepers, a WWII record that was stunning for a country our size, Charter of Rights, waves of immigration (the Ukranians 1900-1910, the Irish (hell we just kept coming, Italians, Portugeeses, Poles..and now people from Asia. Bright people. People with good family values. People who want to build this country. People who want to build this country with the ones that came before them.
And yes, I do support SSM. Ain't happening in my bedroom , but then that's my business, not yours.
Defend the Liberal Party. Man, we stand proudly on our record.

Again people, I implore you .. ignore this fool named don. He is bored child and he is getting to you.

Don't let Kate's blogg become a juvenile chat room. It's too important for that ... please.

Captain AdScam CSL Martin, Jr.:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Power Corp. was also the making of a certain bright young man named Paul Martin. It was Mr. Strong who took a shine to Mr. Martin and hired him as his special assistant. And it was Paul Desmarais who put Mr. Martin in charge of Canada Steamship Lines (Mr. Martin eventually bought the company.)
Re: Martin, Strong, Desmarais, Park, Kojo Annan, Saddam all linked... By Margaret Wente.
http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/6658.shtml

Right on Duke...you don't want differing opinions on here...hell, free speech might break out. Better to stroke each other and coo how bright you all are. You can all huff, "Liberals bad, CPC good," until the cows come home.

Don,
You say you support SSM yet, you call my gay neice"Queer".Double standard, or what?How many of the immigrants, peacekeepers and WWII soldiers that you are so proud of would fit into the "queer" category, if the truth could be told?
And Duke, this guy ain't getting to me. Too old, too'been there-done that' to worry about him.

Is Don really Scott Reid?

A Rose by any other name. IF Don is Scott Reid does it make him any less of an idiot or more?
At this observance, it appears to be just about even, which justifies Iron Lady's query.
As for Paul Martin and his association with Power Corp and Maurice Strong: Obviously Power Corps influence is not limited to the Liberals. Those whose names show up prominently are: Bob Rae, Brian Mulroney, Pierre Trudeau, but MOST prominently are Jean Chretien and Paul Martin.
Fingers in many pies, this squid has many, many tentacles and the ink is as black as night.

No. Carolyn Parrish.

Hey, Snowbunnie,
Please watch where you use the word "squid"
Old Squid

I am really pissed off that we have a PM who's been so successful in business. Shame on him. We need failed business people to run our country. Where does Paul Martin get off have a successful private sector career?

Peter Loewen,
I am reminded of the words attributed to Mark Messier who, when asked if he would coach the New York Rangers, replied, "Just because I've had a successful hockey career, doesn't mean I'd make a good coach".
Same goes for Paul Martin.
Now slowly slide your tongue out of your cheek before you bite yourself.

I can't balance my chequebook, but even I know that $4.5 billion deals are better drawn up in a finance minister's office than on the back of a napkin at your local Park & Fuck.

Walking Eagle:

But it's still a pretty good signal, isn't it?

And, Iron Lady, I understand that you don't like the way Martin went about making a deal with Layton. I assume you're unhappy because he hasn't promised as much spending as Stephen Harper.

I just find it funny that the same people who champion the application of business principles to government, and who champion private sector success are want to acknowledge just how impressive are PM's accomplishments in the private sector.

Annie "Got-Your-Guns McLellan: Will your response to these stats be: "Canada is not a target.", as it is to the Islamist homicide bomber threat?
Firearms Registry: a Librano$$$$$$$$$ scandal; $2 billion dollar Librano$$$$$$$ patronage scam.
>>>>>>>>>>
Crime statistics, 2004

Canada's crime rate, based on data reported by police services, fell a marginal 1% last year. While the total violent crime rate declined, the national homicide rate increased 12%. (Statistics Canada).
http://www.primetimecrime.com/

National homicide rate increase: twelve, aka 12 %. Over to you, Annie.

OLD squid... I thought that might get your attention. :-)

Peter Loewen: Yes, indeed, Our PM's private sector accomplishments in business have been impressive. Impressive and unbelievable when one has someone in the background pulling the strings and paving the way to enormous profits utilizing questionable practices. yes, indeed.
Quite like the way the government has been and is being run ala Chretien and Martin.
And while we are at the 4.6 billion dollars NOT going for tax cuts where they belong, but into 'social programs' ala "mini-me" Layton, it should not take an economics degree to figure out the negative effects of THAT on the economy!

Slow boat to China.
Saskatchewan Wheat in Paulys Boats.
You mean those dirt poor farmers helped Pauly amass his fortune.
Lets hope not, Id rather feed mine to the cows.

Yes, I am sure all of Paul Martin's money has come through corrupt practices. Those buslines between Montreal and Ottawa are really corrupt. Also, his implementation of fast loading technology on his ships - which made him a world leader - boy, those were a very corrupt idea.

As for his deal with Layton, am I to assume that you too were angry because he did not promise as much money as Harper? Anyway, last time I checked Goodale is going to push the cuts through, just on a different schedule. It doesn't take any kind of degree to know any of this, just an open mind and a little reading.

Peter Loewen,
Now that you mention "buslines"..... Wasn't there something about a pension fund? Eighty-something million dollars?
Now, there's one way to accumulate wealth!

I think Paulie Jr owes more to daddy Desmarais than we'll ever know. And really, what can you say about a government that has helped itself to UI funding and GST revenue to sprinkle the land with Librano fairy dust for the sole purpose of staying in power?

I don't begrudge Paul Martin his private holdings.

But perhaps his party should hand back to the commons the public ones.

We'll just look away for ten seconds, and whoever took them can put them back.

If anybody is angry it appears to be those who seem to think that it is their God given right to run this country. Either into the ground or however it suits them. They employ any and all avenues, corrupt, criminal or otherwise to achieve their ends. They have displayed openly for all to see just how naked is their ambition and just how quickly they will walk over anybody to get and keep power.
There is not one word a liberal in office can say to Canadians that has any meaning except that they will step down and have their merit judged by the people.
Any other is simple nonsense from an illegitimate government with no mandate to govern.
So, to expect Ralph Goodale to do anything or say anything of any merit that can be trusted is simply not on the agenda of most folks who have been paying attention to the shenanigans of the liberal party.
Running around making backroom deals tars Martin with the same Chretien feathers he so desperately wanted to shed. Ya lay down with dogs and ya get fleas. He has Chretien's fleas and they are wagging the Martin Dog, tail and all. If we had any respect for the man before the election , when he promised us he was NOT of that ilk in the Liberal Party we know differently now. And it certainly is not from any propaganda machine from the CPC or anywhere else. We had our eyes and ears as our guide and they told a powerful story and still do.
Anyone in this country can expect absolutely nothing from the liberals but more of the same crime, corruption and naked ambition to rule that we have seen up to now. So, why on earth would we have any confidence in ANYTHING Ralph Goodale has to say!?

And while we are at it. Don states that ole Pauly JR. got his millions "all on his own" HA!
As long as Maurice Strong is around Paul Martin doesn't have to do anything but take his marching orders every once in awile ( especially when he gets himself in a pickle) and the money just rolls in. NOT exactly making it on your own, there Don.

Snowbunnie: You sound pretty angry to me, but perhaps it's just that your CapsLock key sticks.

Just so I am straight, you guys think Paul Desmarais just gave CSL over to Paul Martin as a gift? Hmm. I remember him paying about $80 million for it.

Paul Martin seems confused, he speaks socialism for all of canada but prefers economic freedom for himself.

Will the real PMPM please stand up.

Peter: I was under the impression he got it for a buck and a lot of hoop jumping when it comes to Quebec interests.

"Snowbunnie: You sound pretty angry to me, but perhaps it's just that your CapsLock key sticks.

Just so I am straight, you guys think Paul Desmarais just gave CSL over to Paul Martin as a gift? Hmm. I remember him paying about $80 million for it. "- Peter Loewen

IF that is the best you can do in a debate about what corruption and crime the liberal party has wrought on this country; indisputable by all accounts from those in authority who have the facts to back it up, then it appears that you are not interested in actual debate but denigration of anyone who disagrees with you and sound suspiciously like the talking points out of Scott Reids office. Anybody who disagrees with obvious corruption and calls a spade is a spade is "angry" or, even better, has a "hidden agenda".
OR, now... wait for it.... is "scary" !
What is scary and does tend to make intelligent people who care about this country 'angry' is that liberals and those who tend to support them have NO other argument. They have absolutely NOTHING to bring to the table. I know how to use my caplocks, thanks very much and if it were a boot I would use it to boot the ass of this type of rhetoric. It gets very tiresome when those who say they support the liberals do nothing but attack those who do not.
IF one is against SSM they are , let me see: 'racist', 'intolerant', 'homophobes', and any other moniker they can think of that is negative.
We have absolutely vital ; life and death issues in this country and in the world today. To even suggest that ANY criticism (and that criticism completely justified by the abhorrent behaviour of the liberal party on many fronts ) is to be attacked as being partisan, angry, hateful, uninformed, ignorant or any adjective the mindless liberal harpies and hacks can think of to divert discourse does a disservice to getting down to getting this country back on the right track.
Are the Conservatives the 'be all and end all'? Of course not. But, at this point in time and history they are the ONLY ones who do not smell to high heaven of corruption and crime.
They actually have decent backgrounds and their motives to enter politics are , for the most part, for the archaic idea of service to their country. Something the liberals have long ago lost.
As for Paul Martin and his mentor: Maurice Strong. The evidence and details of this arrangement are varied and many and easily researched. I suggest you be off doing just that.
You might start with the $425 million pledged to the Tsunami victims and why it has not been received by them to this day and why Paul Martin was far more interested in photo ops with Mo's water than any victim of the Tsunami.
You can work backward from there. Ought to keep you busy for awhile. Then, you can head over to the research on the Oil for Food Scandal and find out why Mo just lost his job at the UN.

Snowbunnie: I suggested you are angry because you sound angry. I don't know your position on SSM and you don't know mine. Similarly, you don't know whether or not I am disgusted by Liberal corruption. Indeed, I am. But I just think it's plain stupid and uncivil and, frankly, easy, to suggest that Paul Martin's business dealings were corrupt. To be clear, he put a lot of his own money on the line to buy CSL, and he made a great company out of it. I don't think we should automatically denigrate that.

I don't begrudge anyone their success either - indeed, we dont' celebrate it enough in this country.

Just like the phenomenon revolving around Adscam and other Liberal scandals, in which the RCMP have failed to investigate the criminal aspects of the political party at the center of it all, Paul Martin's track record of closing tax havens for ordinary Canadians, while leaving his own companies the loopholes to continue business as usual, is a topic that deserves a lot more attention.

Kate: that's a pretty big claim. Are you suggesting that Paul Martin, as Finance Minister or PM, purposely protected his own financial interests, and did so by taking active part in decisions which he knew would enrich him?

Peter

Shawinigan, Shawinigan? Where/who/how have we seen that name before?
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Jean "Pepper is what I put on my plate" Chretien.
Power Corp.
Corporate History

The Transformation
1950 - 1967

Page 1The 1950s saw substantial change as well as substantial growth, which set the pattern for even more dramatic change in the decades to follow. For a time Power Corporation continued to invest in power companies, taking minority positions in International Utilities in Alberta, United Towns Electric in Newfoundland, Winnipeg & Central Gas in Manitoba, and Brazilian Traction, Light and Power, the Canadian holding company with utility subsidiaries in Brazil. Most importantly, it bought shares in Shawinigan Water and Power, one of the largest privately owned hydro-electric producers in the world with massive installations in Quebec. Power further increased its position in Shawinigan in 1957 when it exchanged its control holding of Southern Canada Power for a special class of Shawinigan common shares. Meanwhile, its successful engineering and construction divisions were engaged in building new power projects from British Columbia to Newfoundland.
http://www.rapp.org/url/?2V5L0GJD
Shawinigan W&Power was later taken over by the Quebec government, for a price, naturally. Ugh, kemo sabay.

Hmm. I have just quickly skimmed the above thread.

Understand there's a gentleman claiming to be named Don.

Mr. Don, what seems to be the problem? Perhaps I may be of help, sir? Would sir wish a drink, perhaps?

Better have one. Hell, have several.

Because, sir, tomorrow will be a big day for you if you have the fortitude or the gonads to come down and say those things to me, you son of a bitch! Come on! I will not have some asshole saying those things!

I look forward to verbal combat, my good man.

I fear ye not ye despiser of humanity and democracy. You are not a bridge for me to Canada.

And a special thanks to Darryl Stinson for the wonderful material he graciously provided me with a few years back. And, Darryl, why don't you join me?

The battle will begin tomorrow. Be here.

There's no information extant which would show that Martin has taken part in any decisions which could favorably affect his business holdings. It would be actionable to suggest otherwise. But the party he belongs to has consolidated it's power base, both prior to his leadership and under his leadership, by treating institutions which historically have been part of the commons -- the RCMP, the CBC, the BDC -- as arms of the Liberal Party of Canada.

EBD: You seem brighter than most people on this site.

Coming from wealth creates more opportunities for you to make more money, it's that simple in my opinion. Just look at the Hilton's. There's a good example of another dimwit who makes money because her daddy had money.

But in this case, would PM's dad be proud of him?

Peter Loewen: unfortunately you don't.

fascinating reads on the Martin/Cretien/Strong/Desmarais history

http://primetimecrime.com/contributing/2005/20050120Gray.htm

interseting if 1% true

sorry for the double post

*interesting

Peter seems to think that the 160 million loan at 2% interest for the purchase of CSL that was advanced to Martin by the Power Corp is somehow "making it on your own".
The details on the repayment , if any, are sketchy at best.
As far as the details about tax havens and loopholes for those in the know as opposed to ordinary Canadians have a look at some of the links provided kindly by those who are posting here with a little nudge to those posting here who have not bothered to find out for themselves just what has gone on in the past. Who , what , when , where and why things have happened in the past under the radar but does no longer.
The issue of tax havens is akin to the ridiculous rhetoric about "two tier health care" ( anathema in Canada ) What is good for the masses is certainly and obviously not good enough for the elite. Private clinics abound and when the GG needs health care there is no question she gets it and immediately. Never mind those who have been waiting in this country for 18 months for a pace maker. So much for " NO two tier health care in Canada" ( latest rendition right out of Paul Martin's mouth immediately after the Supreme Court ruled the exact opposite)
There is a level of hipocracy in this country that approaches the obscene.
Then , of course, the great unwashed , sweating, taxpaying masses never used to be paying any attention. They were too damn busy working their asses off to pay the highest taxes in the G7.

With the revelations of Adscam it can hardly be expected that it will be politics as usual.

The combination of the ability of people to actually find out what is really going on with the Internet, Blogging, and alternative methods of getting to the bottom of some of the most outrageous of liberal flim-flammery and the realization dawning on us that we have been had in the most agregious way , there will be a pendulum swing. It is inevitable. We are in the cycle and it will run it's course.
So, as in many things, words from Paul Martin cannot be trusted. And, while tax loopholes were closed for ordinary Canadians, they were opened for the likes of CSL and others who now enjoy that tax haven to this day.

The gentleman claiming to be "Don":

Sir, are you still there? May I ask what the problem seems to be?

I would be more than happy to discuss matters with you.

I am a Conservative. I have provided my real name and email address.

Would you be so honorable as to provide yours, as it will give you a tiny bit of credibility? Sometimes I demand this of a visitor to SDA. After all, I like to know mine enemy. Wish you and I could have a drink prior to the duel.

Do you still wish to claim to be the master of the truth?

The last thing you wrote here was:

"you don't want differing opinions on here...hell, free speech might break out. Better to stroke each other and coo how bright you all are. You can all huff, "Liberals bad, CPC good," until the cows come home."

I see you're reasonable (sarcasm here) and gentlemanly ("stroke each other and coo how bright you all are").

Contrary to your contention, we have differing opinions all the time and if the differers try their best to justify their positions, we respect their constitutionally guaranteed right to differ. Because Conservatives DO believe in the Charter of Rights, as it is written, unlike the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy, who are constantly claiming there's stuff therein that anyone with a copy bearing PET's signature knows is not there at all.

I challenge you, Don, where in the Charter precisely does it mention marriage? Where does it say, "sexual orientation"? It says "sex", which means either a male or a female, quite clearly, NOT which one one prefers to boink.

Plus there are things contained in the holy document itself that guarantee us all certain rights which are currently being denied by Paul Martin the extraordinarily wealthy and greedy Supreme Overlord of the Moonbats, Enslavor of the Human Beings of Canada, Confiscator of Property.

Here, free speech is protected and promoted. Outside, it is brutally suppressed via the oppressive imperative called "political correctness", which is little more than whatever the left is ordered to obey at any given moment and changes according to the need of the state to preserve its power consolidation in Canada.

What say you, my good man?

The only comment I've taken offense to on here is being compared to Scott Reid. I know Scotty and I'd buy "old squid" a beer long before I'd buy that prick one.

Ahh....Stephen? Man, who spiked your kool-aid? "Overlord of the Moonbats?" Where's Salvador Dali when want a painting?

AdScam Martin is out: Power Corp. is replacing him with: Bob Rae!!!!!!!!!!

From his office at Montreal's Power Corp., where he serves as executive assistant to chairman Paul Desmarais, John Rae was reluctant to talk about his younger brother's future in the Liberal party.
http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c2afca23-9bfd-48d8-aeae-e9b32ae1d5a8

Question for anyone who still believes that PM made his own money without Papa Demarais and Maurice Strongs please explain HOW? Second Question, if he's such a great Canandian why are the ships registered in a the Carribean and not in Canada. And yes he did keep loopholes open for himself. I recall reading how Canadian tax laws were changes viv-a-vis the offshore registration of companies operating inside Canada and somehow that little island where his ships are registered did not make the list. So how dare he tell us that Canadians aren't over taxed, and then not even pay his fair share. Every Canadian should be outraged over this.

You have the audacity to wonder why people are angry ... take the blinders off and see this guy for the crook that he is. You can't honestly believe he hasn't run his companies exactly the same way he's run the country - a leopard doesn't change his spots.

EBT - You can count on one hand the number of conservatives you met that hate anything other than criminals? Our experience has been vastly different I guess.

I'd also be interested to see any viable stats you can come up with that indicate any of those groups mentioned are more likely to commit criminal offenses. And just to make it interesting, let's make it a socio-economic study, and see what happens. Economics are a far greater indicator for criminal behaviour than anything else.

My apologies though for mis-reading Don's equivilancy as yours.

But let me re-iterate my firm conviction that the CPC, Bloc, NDP and Libs are corrupt. The Libs have been caught at it... give the others time. The very nature of politics in this country encourages corruption. Why? We the public obviously won't hold those who are accountable.

Easy to sit back and sneer? Not sneer... shake my head in disgust would perhaps be more accurate.

I'm interested to know how you came to the conclusion I hate two thirds of this country. You must be confusing me with someone else... I dislike everyone in the country equally. I don't make exceptions; I'm quite egalitarian that way. I also criticise everyone equally. Didn't catch the part where I was calling the Libs corrupt? Or was that not convenient to your argument... err nosepicking?

Arabian Knight - I don't think any party is worth voting for, at least until the public reaches the point where they will rise up and demand accountability from those elected to lead the nation. With an accountable and honest government, elected officials could actually spend time governing as opposed to backpedelling, wheeling and dealing, and attempting to justify their existence.

Don, if you scratch a provincial Liberal in Alberta, you'll find a party that wants to change it's name to avoid the embarrassing association with the federal cousins. Ralph Klein, Preston Manning, Stephen Harper have all been about the "west wants in". That is not separation talk.

Don: I do not drink Kool-Aid. Your pitiful attempt to make me look like nothing will not work with those who think for themselves. You underestimate me. Nothing new there. I expect it. Used to it, actually.

Typical Liberal you are, sir. Believing that anyone who differs from the party line is to be automatically dismissed and cannot possibly understand the reality of the world. Man, it is you who are delusional. Of this there is no doubt.

This, sir, is a grave error. Your people are going to fall on their swords.

You know Scott Reid? No surprise. Hell, I knew a Scott Reid in Junior High quite a little while ago Ok, eons ago, I should advise you as you seem to think I'm some pimply nerd geek with a pc. Go ahead and believe that if you wish. I don't care.

I'm not actually feeling antagonistic towards you. Why should I? You seem to have lost your will to be malicious. Perhaps you're just a regular guy like all the regular guys I know who haven't had the chance to learn to think independently, even though they believe they actually do think independently.

Actually Stevie Mc, I do think independantly. I was the last standing federal constituancy president not to support Martin. Differ from the party line? Hell, I was on another planet. I have no problem admitting that the Liberal Party as of late has been disappointing. But, what is the current alternative? Harper, Soleberg, Grewal (he's yours, keep him), and big Myron? You got to be kidding. Both sides of the house sorely, sorely lack talent. Old good old Eddie Broadbent and Scott Brieson leave a favourable impression on me.
You want to have a serious discussion about this country and it's future? Bring it on. Just remember, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Gosh Don, that's mighty big of you to admit the Liberal Party has been disappointing. When there have been testimonials under oath of money laundering operations to the Liberal Party of Canada and the second most senior Liberal at that time (Paul Martin) has indicated that he had no knowledge of this, it's good to know that you are at least disappointed. When the Liberal Party fails to lead on issues such as guaranteed medicare funding and global competitiveness, it's good to realize that you're disappointed. The inability of the Liberal Party, after a decade in power, to implement proper performance metrics on the programs they fund is also "disappointing". You don't hafta bluster like Myron Thompson to be a conservative. Volpe is not such a proud member of the Liberal party himself.

You're right Westerner,I want to be more like you and make degrading comments about women like you did on the Hurricane Krista blogg, you sanctimonious mysoginistic turd.

Talk issues Don. Don't be insulting to people trying to express their views.

Mr. McAllister,
Watch how you do battle with this "Don" character. If, indeed, he is a former federal constituancy(liberal) president who knows Scott Reid, he may still have powerful connections in government.... people, who, as witnessed by Bishop Fred Henry of Calgary, have no qualms about calling in their hatchet men from Revenue Canada.
See what our country has become under the Liberals? Even religious leaders have lost the right of free speech!
And, Don, I would refuse your offer of a beer.

Old Squid, that stuff is true. It is dangerous to take on these people. I understand the danger involved. I accept it.

Why? Hey, in war, the saying is, "Loose lips sink ships". I NEVER go to these wars of the truth, of intellect, of wit, if I am not absolutely convinced I am going to win, and decisively. Otherwise I'd be wasting my time and perhaps hurting myself for no cause at all. I long ago vowed if I had an opportunity to serve my country, even if there were dangers for me, I would do my duty, and do it to the best of my ability.

If Don were to entertain the concept of doing something stupid to me via the power of the state, well, let me tell you, that sort of thing will only turn me into a hero of people like yourself, or a living martyr.

One small step for one man, one giant leap for the future of Canada.

I will now turn to the gentleman named Don.

Alas, Don is headed for the lake. I have a weekend of reading and Grey Goose martinis planned. Stevie Mc, we will enjoin battle next week. Since I'm a Chretienite, I wouldn't worry too much about my cabinet connections. Indeed, the one senior minister I do know (and have for 25 years) struck me off his Christmas card list two decades ago.
Old Sqid- chill man. You're gonna pop a vessel.

So....have a great weekend...oil the guns...stock the ammo....Monday ...BATTLE!!!

Don't worry, Don. My weekend will be so much better knowing there's a LIEberal at the lake, probably reading the Liberal Party of Canada's RED BOOK.....And all my vessels will be intact!
You meant blood vessels, didn't you?

Hello there, Don. I'm off work for the weekend. Now I can focus my abilities on you and the things you are saying.

" what is the current alternative? Harper, Soleberg, Grewal (he's yours, keep him)"

--I would urge you to read, with an open, objective mind, "Stephen Harper and the Future of Canada" by William Johnson. It will enlighten you, if you're at all enlightenable. Mr. Solberg shouldn't be underestimated or ridiculed. Do so at your own peril. Mr. Grewal is a true patriot. I have talked about the Grewal matter on this blog. Search the archives for your information. He, as the man who can finally bring down the Liberal Party of Canada, is being downtrod at every opportunity, be it real or contrived, by all arms of the state, indubitably controlled totally by the Libranos, Soviet-style. You underestimate Grewal. You underestimate the people of Canada who are just now awakening from their Librano-provided mickey-and-Rophynol-induced slumber and realizing that the Liberal Party has been raping them throughout the seemingly endless night. The people I have encountered recently on SDA are representative of those who now understand what you so-called "Liberals" are really all about, which is the domination of all in the interests of the evil few. Of course, you and I probably have different opinions wrt the definition of evil. Such is the nature of evil. It is stealthy, like Liberals. It is insidious, like the threat posed by Liberals.

"Old good old Eddie Broadbent and Scott Brieson leave a favourable impression on me."

Note the perfect grammar, folks, from the Librano who made fun of the grammar of one of our own. "Old good old..." Hmm. And he implied I am bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Please. Ed, though a nice enough old fellow, is a washed-up communist. Can't you tell a commie when you see one, for Heaven's sake? Scott Brison, whose name you misspelled, I'll assume unintentionally, is a scumbag. Perfect hair, perfect suits, little intellectual glasses, extreme egocentricity, extreme pretentiousness, duplicitous turncoat, crass opportunist, etc. etc. Right. Perfect as a Liberal leader. As a Conservative, however, he wouldn't have survived, since he's all of the above, which is hopelessly incompatible with our philosophy that corruption and greed are not Canadian nor Conservative values. We want good people to lead us and the country. I DARE YOU TO PROVE, AS IN A COURT OF LAW, WITH CLEAR RULES OF EVIDENCE, YOUR CLAIM THAT STEPHEN HARPER IS NOT GOOD AND SHOULDN'T BE PRIME MINISTER. I know, however, that no such proof is forthcoming from you, as that which is unprovable due to absolute falseness cannot be proven. You could try to manipulate us, but you will fail. You will be intellectually picked apart like carrion in the desert. Save yourself and withdraw your lies. The choice, sir, is yours.

For the record, I don't have any problem with the "sex" stuff people choose to do and enjoy in the privacy of their own homes. However, you still haven't addressed my demand that you indicate precisely where in the Charter "sexual orientation" or "marriage" are mentioned. Of course, you cannot do so, since those words are NOT in the Charter, contrary to the lies of your party, the courts and the MSM. You could concede that it is all a big lie for no cause whatsoever other than leftist extremist dogma to what possible good for the country as a whole? Or you can ignore the demand or you can screech as a moonbat.

Again, the choice, sir, is yours.

Hello there, Don. I'm off work for the weekend. Now I can focus my abilities on you and the things you are saying.

" what is the current alternative? Harper, Soleberg, Grewal (he's yours, keep him)"

--I would urge you to read, with an open, objective mind, "Stephen Harper and the Future of Canada" by William Johnson. It will enlighten you, if you're at all enlightenable. Mr. Solberg shouldn't be underestimated or ridiculed. Do so at your own peril. Mr. Grewal is a true patriot. I have talked about the Grewal matter on this blog. Search the archives for your information. He, as the man who can finally bring down the Liberal Party of Canada, is being downtrod at every opportunity, be it real or contrived, by all arms of the state, indubitably controlled totally by the Libranos, Soviet-style. You underestimate Grewal. You underestimate the people of Canada who are just now awakening from their Librano-provided mickey-and-Rophynol-induced slumber and realizing that the Liberal Party has been raping them throughout the seemingly endless night. The people I have encountered recently on SDA are representative of those who now understand what you so-called "Liberals" are really all about, which is the domination of all in the interests of the evil few. Of course, you and I probably have different opinions wrt the definition of evil. Such is the nature of evil. It is stealthy, like Liberals. It is insidious, like the threat posed by Liberals.

"Old good old Eddie Broadbent and Scott Brieson leave a favourable impression on me."

Note the perfect grammar, folks, from the Librano who made fun of the grammar of one of our own. "Old good old..." Hmm. And he implied I am bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Please. Ed, though a nice enough old fellow, is a washed-up communist. Can't you tell a commie when you see one, for Heaven's sake? Scott Brison, whose name you misspelled, I'll assume unintentionally, is a scumbag. Perfect hair, perfect suits, little intellectual glasses, extreme egocentricity, extreme pretentiousness, duplicitous turncoat, crass opportunist, etc. etc. Right. Perfect as a Liberal leader. As a Conservative, however, he wouldn't have survived, since he's all of the above, which is hopelessly incompatible with our philosophy that corruption and greed are not Canadian nor Conservative values. We want good people to lead us and the country. I DARE YOU TO PROVE, AS IN A COURT OF LAW, WITH CLEAR RULES OF EVIDENCE, YOUR CLAIM THAT STEPHEN HARPER IS NOT GOOD AND SHOULDN'T BE PRIME MINISTER. I know, however, that no such proof is forthcoming from you, as that which is unprovable due to absolute falseness cannot be proven. You could try to manipulate us, but you will fail. You will be intellectually picked apart like carrion in the desert. Save yourself and withdraw your lies. The choice, sir, is yours.

For the record, I don't have any problem with the "sex" stuff people choose to do and enjoy in the privacy of their own homes. However, you still haven't addressed my demand that you indicate precisely where in the Charter "sexual orientation" or "marriage" are mentioned. Of course, you cannot do so, since those words are NOT in the Charter, contrary to the lies of your party, the courts and the MSM. You could concede that it is all a big lie for no cause whatsoever other than leftist extremist dogma to what possible good for the country as a whole? Or you can ignore the demand or you can screech as a moonbat.

Again, the choice, sir, is yours.

Oh, shit! Something went funny with the pc or comments window and I ended up doing a double post! I think it may have something to do with the fact that Microsoft Antispyware's updates are awaiting my confirmation clicks.

Aww... looks like I'll have to await Donnie's return from the lake on Monday. Damn, I'm at my best when I don't have to worry about running the factory! Oh, well, c'est la vie. Don, go jump into the lake! Heh-heh, couldn't resist. Anyway, you have the opportunity to prepare a response, whatever you decide it is. Hope it doesn't take the form of the gestapo knocking my door down and asking for Stephen McAllister and taking me to the Gulag at Alert.

Saved by Don Newman's bell again, another Librano!

Donnie's not Scott Reid after all. He's Warren Kinsella. Who else would admit to being a Cretinite except WK?

Wow. This has been quite the exchange. I find online duel challenges to be particularly funny. I applaud Stephen McAllister. He's not too smart, but he's got gusto, and he used Sir a lot. Good on him.

Peter Loewen writes:

"He's not too smart, but he's got gusto, and he used Sir a lot. Good on him."

Well, thank you, kind sir.

Not too smart? Pete, come on, are you a Librano? Trying to shake me up? Think my skin's thin? Trying to manipulate what people think of me? Of course, this would be a typical Librano/VLWC tactic.

People, anyone know anything about Peter Loewen? Couldn't really find anything on Google. Perhaps someone knows something. If that name is genuine, it somehow rings a bell. Plus, he's hurling this anti-Conservative slur right on the heels of my challenge to Don or Warren Kinsella or whomever it is who claims to be going to some lake. (Doesn't he have internet access there? As a Cretin Librano, surely he would have everything he wants. After all, why else be a Librano?)

Libranos seem to be mistaking my blogging style for overzealous, wide-eyed, naive, guillible infantile attempts at getting attention. As if there's something wrong with a little attention. Who am I, Scott Brison? Svend Robinson? Why don't the Libranos say these dudes aren't too smart, too? What about Paul and Jean? Come on! Check out this story on stupidity relating to our federal gov't, which seems to be the FRONT-RUNNER FOR DUMBEST GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD:

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2005/07/22/1142227-sun.html

Hmm. "Don" runs off suddenly to a lake. Iron Lady just said he's actually Warren Kinsella, the infamous political ass-kicker. Well, I certainly hope so! I have on SDA expressed my desire to politically kick HIS ass! This guy really has had it coming for sooo long.

Iron Lady, are you sure it's the guy represented on SDA by a picture of steaming dog poop? Well, if this is indeed Warren, well, Warrie, I have with me a small purple dinosaur named "Barney" in a gym bag. Metaphorically, anyway. I think you're just an overpaid, overprotected poophead who can't make a living doing anything else, thus has to whore himself off to the highest Librano bidder to carry out their dirty work. I wouldn't sell my soul like that. I am prepared to display Barney whenever I see fit. After all, you asked for it. Tim Powers was too cracked up when you did it to reply.

But if you're not Warren, then maybe, just maybe, the above won't apply to you. Maybe.

Of course, Peter could be Warren in an alternative disguise. Gotta cover all contingencies. Bring it on, whoever y'all are.

I kind of liked that duel part, too.

I may set up a special thread for it on Monday.

Sorry Stephen McA for stepping in our your duel with Don. I'm a blogging rookie and you seem to be feisty enough to handle yourself. Mind you, I'm just a sanctimonious mysoginistic turd.

I'm not exactly ready to give up on Harper...yet. He needs to capitalize on the many Liberal issues - the Supreme Count on medicare, lack of Kyoto plan, lack of fiscal accountability, the Senate. I presume that he was planning on starting the election campaign 2 months back but no detailed conservative plans have been vocalized. Maybe he's waiting so that his ideas don't end up in a Liberal red book but come out and vocalize that. Maybe he needs some Viagra. It'll make him smile more and put a spring in his step. See, I can insult guys too.

I did check out the conservative website but people who aren't conservative-leaning aren't going to bother.

People, I googled Peter Loewen's name again. Funny thing. Apparently I had done it before, but the port I so enjoyed at that time made me forget what I found.

Peter is a BIG, BIG Librano. Big lover of Paul Martin. Obviously, from what he writes herein.

But he writes stuff all the time on Liberal Party political issues. I believe he's with the University of Montreal. Right, Pete?

Hope Don/Warren/Scottie has taken Bill Johnston's book on Harper. That way, he can find out what REAL man is, not to mention how to spelll integrity, intelligence and fiscal responsibility.

Is Peter L. an embalmer with the funeral home Loewen's? That would explain why he keeps seeing dead (Librano) people.

Peter's apparently a political scientist at the U of Montreal, from what I garnered from Google. He has written a lot of serious academic stuff about politics.

I think Peter, like many political academics in ivory towers driving Volvos and wearing tweed blazers with those incredibly unneccessary patches on the elbows, may be just an overpaid, overprotected-by-tenure full-of-shit professor or something.

After all, if one can so ardently defend and promote the Liberal Party, one MUST neccessarily be fullashit.

I bet Peter wears gold lame thongs, knee-high black socks and sandals to work. Tenure means you can't be fired for anything, even for being a Librano.

Knee high black socks wouldn't look good with a gold lame thong. You gotta have the gold leather platform boots a la Elton John, or thigh high gold leather with stiletto heels like Cher.

Hey Stephen:

Nice work on Google. I am glad it took you a couple of shots. I am just a lowly PhD student - alas, I am not tenured yet. I mostly work on survey research and voting behaviour. It's pretty esoteric, math-driven stuff. But when I am not doing that I work for a conservative pollster. Before that I built models for the manager of a campaign for the Conservative leadership. The candidate wasn't Belinda, and it wasn't Tony Clement, so you can guess where my allegiances lie, and where my politics generally are. (For full disclosure, I did work in Belinda's office when she was CEO of Magna for a couple of summers but didn't think she was the best candidate for the leadership). You see, it's not necessarily that we've got differnet politics. It's just that I think you're a bit over the top, likely too ideological, and maybe just not sharp enough for my tastes.

Thanks, Pete.

I'm pleased you want to keep it friendly.

I take it you're not a Liberal, then. If so, then you must forgive me, as it sure sounded like you were, therefore, my warrior instinct naturally kicked in. Can't really help it; I simply want those bums out of power.

Agreed that Boolinda wasn't leadership material. Too unsteady on her feet unless she has talking points and complete control of the situation. Was painful to watch sometimes. Good riddance anyway.

When I know something to be so or not so beyond a reasonable doubt, then it will seem that I am an idealogue. Don't get confused there. I just believe in what works and in what's true. The lib-left, on the other hand, is so maddeningly adamant in so often supporting the most unworkable or most bizarre ideas and policies as their polling tells them it'll get them votes. Or their financial supporters demand it of them. Say, that's not idealogical at all, after all. They're mostly poll-driven! In that case, I prefer idealogy: the idealogy of truth and of what works and what's really in the interests of the people. Guess in this way, I AM an idealogue, then. And proud of it, too!

Perhaps we have a different view as to what's "sharp" or "smart". Perhaps you really mean we have different styles. Could be it: what you witness here is partly a "style". Just try to see past it a bit more, and I'll try to see past the Liberal-sounding language.

With all due respect, sometimes you do sound a tad elitist and snooty. It really doesn't become you. That's part of the reason I was convinced you were a Libby. :-)

BTW, Pete, surely you don't think that thinking what others want you to think and toeing the line to keep the moolah rollin' in is what makes one smart or sharp. I submit that smarties are those who think for themselves based on reality, logic and reason, not those simply doing everything they're told like a trained seal.

Don't worry, I'm not talking about you, necessarily. :-)