Zachary Shore is a fellow at the Institute of International Studies, University of California, Berkeley. He argues that despite the German opposition to the war in Iraq, they are nonetheless, firmly in the sights of Islamists;
If interethnic tensions are potent in Italy and Denmark, they are worse in Germany. Most of Germany's Muslims hail from Turkey's less-developed hinterlands. Many do not speak German, live in predominantly Muslim neighborhoods and have limited social interactions with ethnic Germans.Their unemployment and high-school dropout rates are above the already depressing national averages.
Most disturbing, some surveys find that the younger generation of Turkish Germans express surprising hostility toward Europe and the West. In one study, the sociologist Wilhelm Heitmeyer and his colleagues at the University of Bielefeld found that almost one-third of those polled agreed that Islam must become the state religion in every country.
Even though they live in Europe, 56 percent declared that they should not adapt too much to Western ways, but should live by Islam. More than a third insisted that if it serves the Islamic community, they are ready to use violence against nonbelievers. Almost 40 percent said that Zionism, the European Union and the United States threaten Islam.
(Via commentor Stephen McAllister)
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Tensions in Germany are very high right now. The continuing struggle to integrate East Germany, the high cost of their welfare state and the lack of faith in the Euro state amongst the average voters looks like an opportunity for a Pym Fortuyn (sp) The Muslims look like a much better target than the Jews did to Adolf.
Posted by: rebarbarian at July 16, 2005 9:17 PMShould we Canadians feel left out? Surely the undeniable presence of Islamists among us who hate what we stand for is also cause for concern as well as our participation in Afghanistan and, yes, Iraq?
Perhaps Mr. Shore needs to take a look northwards too? I'd like to know what he would find here like he found in Europe.
It's a scary prospect. Someday it's going to be our turn. Are we as a country prepared? If this comes to pass, I predict massive changes afoot. The Liberals, of course, will be burnt toast. No way will they ever be forgiven their sin against Canada wrt effectively rolling out the red carpet to Al Qaeda.
If I'm wrong and there's an AQ attack here and the Libs somehow manage to survive, well, I'd be at a loss for words...
And pigs will fly... on the two luxojets PMJC bought by stealing $100 million from National Defence...
And the devil will be forced to wear mittens and take a walk in the snow...
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 9:46 PMAnd, thanks, Kate. Seeing my posting idea up there made my night. This is fun stuff, this bypassing the overpaid, pretentious, patronizing elites of the MSM and taking important information into our own hands and providing it to those who care enough to try and find the truth the hard way.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 10:20 PMMy pleasure. I get a lot of tips from people who send along stories that are fairly well distributed. That's often fine, but the more obscure (but credible) ones are even better.
Posted by: Kate at July 16, 2005 10:35 PMThe more obscure story that we are all wondering about is: "WILL CHARGES OF RACISM STICK TO KATE?"
If they do, will they damage MPs and the conservative movement? How about a post on that?
Posted by: JustCurious at July 16, 2005 11:31 PMI have never read once read a racist comment from Kate, including in the archives.
Care to back up the false allegation? Or is hit-and-run more your style?
Posted by: EBD at July 17, 2005 1:23 AM"Just Curious", I wonder if you're at all familiar with Kate. The "r" word in NO WAY applies to this very fine Canadian. I've been reading her writings for long enough to know that any such trumped-up charges could NEVER possibly stick.
Perhaps you're guillible enough to believe the inane rantings of the ultra far left and the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy out there that's always trying to discredit, defame and silence regular Canadians like Kate and me and many, many, MANY others who are only trying to improve their own country and get rid of the corrupt, criminal dictatorship so slavishly brainlessly, zombieistically revered and worshipped by people perhaps like yourself (I cannot help but assume you're one of the moonies we sometimes get on SDA who attempt to cause trouble for us).
I, for one, am offended that you would raise such a disgusting question which I doubt you'd raise about Paul Martin, even though Chretien loyalists have raised similar questions about Mad Man Martin. And I could find plenty of ways to raise questions of racism and other forms of bigotry wrt many Liberals and leftist moonies in general. The damning info on these poopheaded moonbat fools is stored in my grey matter, ever ready for use if necessary against those who dare cast such sulfurous aspersions on us.
By the way, don't you realize that the left is racist? It's violently religiously intolerant of the Judeo-Christian people, of which I'm one, it's sexist in so many ways, and on and on and on, though I won't bore you with the facts here, like the Kristallnacht at Concordia University where the left, including anti-Semites and anti-Israelis exhibited undeniable Nazi-like behavior. Case in point: Muslims broke windows at the university and beat up an elderly Holocaust survivor who was minding his own business and trying to enter the building as was his right to do so. He later told reporters the incident brought back Kristallnacht (night of broken glass) for him. It was exactly the same. The left, however didn't see what was wrong with this.
Here are some URLs for your enlightenment, if you dare:
http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=2315§ionID=1
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/119
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=22&x_article=381
This one contains info on the beating of the Holocaust survivor:
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/311
I could go on forever about the violently dangerous fascism, racism, religious intolerance etc. about the fecking bloody left as a whole, but I right now have better things to do.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 9:06 AMAnd, "Just Curious": I wonder who the hell you are anyway. I'm always suspicious of anonymous moonies raising these ridiculous questions. Are you affiliated with the Liberals, the NDP, the Greenies or any other ultra-far-left group?
Your credibility is sooo on the line, moonie!
Dare you tell us your real name? I'm not counting on it, as I understand your ilk...
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 9:13 AMPleast repost the CCF image of the small saskatchean family walking towards the hot burning sun. I feel depressed with the rain and mosquitoes in winnipeg today.
Posted by: richard-winnipeg at July 17, 2005 10:32 AMLOL... .. sick em Stephen ..
We've all had our turn at cleaning the slime from the comments. JustCurious will end up in the sewer with the rest of them.
Posted by: rob at July 17, 2005 10:33 AMGerman Media Under Fire From Muslims
The media in Germany is often accused, not least by Muslims in the country, of being one-sided and clichéd when it comes to reporting on them. Journalists deny it, saying discernment and responsibility are important.
Not only Muslims living in Germany, but also cultural experts routinely criticize the German media for reinforcing stereotypes and being too subjective in its reporting of Muslim topics.
A look at the German media certainly lends some credence to the allegations. For instance, the newsmagazine Focus ran a headline on its cover recently which referred to "unsettling guests."
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Posted by Jack at 7:22 AM
Categories: Europe, Social Issues
Greater Surveillance of German Muslims?
Conservative German politicians Thursday called for increased surveillance of Germany's Muslim community following the revelations that the London terrorist attacks last week were likely carried out by British Muslims.
"We have to know what's going on in every mosque," Bavaria's interior minister, Günter Beckstein, told the Berliner Zeitung newspaper. "We have to have an intelligence presence there where extremist ideas are being preached."
http://www.jacksnewswatch.info/
Just Curious: my archives are searchable. Go for it.
Posted by: Kate at July 17, 2005 11:57 AMWow. Some people are touchy.
I never accused Kate of being racist, I merely asked for her reaction to what other people are saying about her.
How that makes me a moonie who is part of a vast left wing conspiracy that slavishly brainlessly, zombieistically reveres dictatorships and beats up holocaust survivors, while never questioning anything Paul Martin does, is beyond me.
I hope I never land a job as a journalist that requires me to ask questions around such fanaticism.
I had thought it was better to deal with problems in the open, rather than ignore them and shoot the messengers. But I guess I'll just slide away on my trail of slime.
And thanks Kate for your polite response.
Posted by: Wow. at July 17, 2005 4:02 PMI see, "Wow", that you can't even stick to one phony nickname and one phony email address.
Sir or madam, you missed the whole point of my response to you.
The point is: your question is unacceptable. I can't believe you didn't foresee the harm it could very easily do to the reputation of such a good person if the MSM were to make a big deal of that horrible question. I have seen these kinds of questions asked by the enemies of us conservative, perfectly normal and good, law-abiding regular Canadians comprising the until-now-silent majority. It was asked of Mr. Stockwell Day, whom I've met and liked, by Maclean's magazine: "How Scary?" and the CBC made a big deal out of the fact that he is a Pentecostal, of which there's absolutely nothing wrong(!) and asked viewers whether he was trustworthy. And there was the Liberal Party polling asking Canadians if they were less likely to vote for a party that had some Christians in it! Bizarre, since most Liberals are of the Judeo-Christian faith! This was intentionally bigotted! These kinds of questions, you must come to understand, are malicious in effect, whether intended or not. This is why I responded as I did.
I speak for Canadians like myself: WE WILL NOT TAKE THE LEFT'S MALEVOLENT DEFAMATION, EITHER DIRECT OR SUGGESTIVE, ANY MORE!
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 4:29 PMPerhaps instead of asking questions, you could take my suggestion - search the archives, _specifically_ for the quotes that Meaghan Walker Williams (and her handful of alternative personas) have been fabricating and attributing to me, and then go back to those sites and ask them why they continue to allow her libeous statements to stand?
There is a consistant absense in those accusations - the integrity of an actual link to my purported "racist" remarks.
Especially enlightening is the suggestion by MWW to "google Kate McMillan and racist", as though pulling up other libelous statements she has posted on the internet constitutes some sort of evidence?
That this woman is so obsessive with her commenting should be a clue. She has a problem - and if there is anyone who knows her family, they should be speaking with them at the moment and urging her to get help before she ends up spending her kid's college fund defending herself in court.
You:
"Sir or madam, you missed the whole point of my response to you.
The point is: your question is unacceptable."
Me:
"I had thought it was better to deal with problems in the open, rather than ignore them and shoot the messengers."
Yes, it would appear I completely missed your point.
"WE WILL NOT TAKE THE LEFT'S MALEVOLENT DEFAMATION, EITHER DIRECT OR SUGGESTIVE, ANY MORE!"
But you will reserve the right to label other people as:
moonies
supporters of corrupt criminal dictatorships
poopheaded moonbat fools
part of a racist movement
allied with groups that beat up holocaust survivors
I applaud you for your distaste of defamation.
Posted by: You're Silly at July 17, 2005 4:53 PMAfter posting a baseless libel in capital letters, you claim innocently that you were merely referring to what OTHER people are saying about Kate. OTHERS are the source of your libel.
What a revolting, transparent coward you are. Nice try.
You have merely been asked to back up your libel, but you return to claim victimization.
As for your offer to "slide away on (your)trail of slime"?
Okay. Thank you.
Posted by: EBD at July 17, 2005 5:40 PM"You're Silly", or whoever you are:
You are indubitably a snivelling coward worthy of the award of the highest honor from the Ruler of Darkness, the Supreme Overlord of the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy.
You keep changing your alias and nonexistent email address so as to escape legal liability for malicious libel of an innocent citizen.
Kate has obliquely warned you of legal consequences should you refuse to cease and desist.
Be warned: it may be technologically possible to trace you via your home location via your unique IP address. Keep it up and it could very well happen.
Apologize to Kate. Or at least F.O.
Sincerely.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 7:01 PMHmm... Kate, I'm not quite certain whether you were referring to MWW or to the unknown individual I just addressed. Could be I jumped the gun?
But the person I just addressed refuses to take back the vile question of the persuasion that has proven over and over again to have caused reputaional harm to so many people by planting the seed of prejudice in the minds of the rabble.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 7:09 PMBTW, it is not only Kate that the unknown individual has libelled. It is all MPs and the "Conservative movement", I just remembered and verified the original comment.
Therefore, I declare that I have responded not only in defence of Kate, but also of MPs and the Conservative movement, of which I am clearly a part.
Therefore, I currently am unapologetic to the nameless, faceless accuser.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 7:16 PMActually You're Silly,
IMHO, your a sludge sucking, dung humping moonbat that has crawled out of the sewer and sliming the streets just waiting for that big Dodge Ram with oversized Michelins on it to come along and put you out of your misery......But that's just MY opinion.
Posted by: rob at July 17, 2005 8:59 PMI'm hoping for the sake of all that is good in humanity, cooler heads can prevail:
See, "You're Silly", Rob called you what HE thinks you are and explicitly stated it's HIS OPINION. He DIDN'T use HEARSAY and a leading, suggestive question to make people think something horrible about you that is not true.
That is the difference between what you did, whether intentionally or not, and what Rob did in expressing his own, admittedly unflattering, opinion of you.
I'm hoping you just made an error in judgement in the specific words you posted. If it was just an error, a brainfart like lots of people make, and you admit it and apologize for the hurt it may have caused, then I personally can let it slide. As for others, I cannot speak for them.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 9:16 PMAll riffraff aside, having lived recently in Northern Germany for 2 years, I believe that this is a far bigger issue than the German government and media know or understand. I met many Turkish/Germans and while cordial and decent human beings, their faith and beliefs are unwavering. Their outrage at Americans is very apparent, as I was typically met with some degree of either detachment or hostility until it was known that i was of Canadian citizenship. The population of Turkish people is immense, especially in industrialized areas where unskilled labour is plentiful. Germany is certainly facing an uncertain future, as this population grows, and the next generation of Turkish/Germans comes of age...
Posted by: phil at July 17, 2005 9:23 PMDamn... Stephen, I was setting him up, no problem though, you made the same point... ;-)
Posted by: rob at July 17, 2005 9:31 PMLooks like, from the above between me and Rob, we make a great team!
Are you listening, all ye VLWC moonies out there? We conservatives have our act together! Never mind that pobody's nerfect; ye poopheaded moonbat fools underestimate us at your own peril!
I know. People underestimate me all the time. Preconceived notions are human nature. I love proving people wrong.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 10:03 PMAll right you guys, settle down. He's a harmless little troll.
Posted by: Kate at July 17, 2005 11:27 PMNo prob, K. We cool.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 18, 2005 4:14 AMThat was a funny run. Entertaining I guess, but to really slay a troll, ignore is better. I'm really bugged when I'mm ignored. 73s TG Uh oh, it's out of the bag now.
Posted by: TonyGuitar at July 19, 2005 4:53 PMA troll can be an electronic communication which is intentionally incorrect.
As Kate herself confirmed that charges of racism had been leveled against her, there was nothing deceitful in asking her about those charges (which is all my initial post did). It gave her a chance to respond in this and in subsequent threads to the allegations of her critics.
A troll can also be a person who regularly flames and engages in personal attacks.
A quick reread of the posts shows that a staggering amount of abuse was heaped on myself, and was indentified, but not returned.
It's nonsense to label me a troll for my three posts while overlooking what went on in the following 21.
Posted by: I'm Amazed at July 21, 2005 12:12 AMApparently you searched the archives and found nothing.
Now, can you answer for me - have you heard any rumors about a person who calls themselves "MWW" (among other psuedonyms) who posts frequently on the internet being sought
for questioing about funds missing from a previous place of employment?
I have no idea if this is true, just wanted to know if they had answered to the charges.
Posted by: Kate at July 21, 2005 1:54 AM