July 15, 2005
Letter To Terry Milewski
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July 16 Update - More Questions about this cheque
July 11, 2005 To: Terry Milewski, CBC Vancouver From: Jim Holt, President Newton North Delta EDA, Conservative Party of Canada.Verification Information re Six Cheques that Mr. Milewski is investigating.
Reference our discussions of the past three business days, our EDA has been tracking down information on a total of six cheques that have come to your attention as a reporter with CBC.
Given the time lines associated with these items, it hasn't been as difficult as we had first anticipated regarding re-constructing information on these items. One just had to make contact with the appropriate persons, and the task became quite easy actually. In examining this matter, we have found that rather than focus on each cheque, we should perhaps focus on the donor.This way we feel a picture of just what we feel is going on starts to become a whole lot clearer.
Firstly, we have a Mr. Kandola, who for some reason contacted you (or was referred to you by others) to indicate that he hadn't seemed to have received a receipt for a $200. political donation. To your credit Terry, and we thank you for saving us some time, you yourself were able to determine by examining public Elections Canada records that his cheque was indeed properly receipted. But I guess a question we have back to Mr. Kandola, via you, is just why did he make such a claim in the first place, and why was he in apparent error re the veracity of his claim?
Next we have a Mr. Dhahan. Here we have a person who in addition to attending a political dinner for Gurmant Grewal back in December of 2003 (two thousand three) happens also to be a good friend of Ujjal Dosanjh. And Mr. Dhahan, nearly one and half years after a cheque was written and cleared, is now asking for a receipt for his "donation". In checking this one out, we have determined that the item was countersigned over to The Grand Taj Hall in Surrey to help pay for the dinner, it cleared through their bank, and then presumably went back to Mr. Dhahan's.
We trust that someone is asking (or perhaps maybe someone will be asking) Mr. Dhahan to explain why an event that occurred some time in the distant past didn't seem to need a receipt then, but does now. It would also be interesting to determine if this item was an "outstanding item" in accounting terms, and we guess that only a formal examination of Mr. Dhahan's Income Tax records would determine if this item had been in fact processed as a normal business expense for either 2003 (when the cheque was written), or in 2004 (when the item cleared the bank), or can it indeed be demonstrated by Mr. Dhahan or his auditors that this payment has been kept on his books as an unresolved item all these many months (and through at least one Income tax cycle). For if this item had indeed already been processed in accounting terms, then the accuracy and substance of Mr. Dhahan's claims to you will represent an entirely different legal matter altogether.Next we have a Mr. Mann. As backgrounder on this complainant, it is a well-known fact that he is a very good friend of Ujjal Dosanjh. So good a friend is he of Mr. Dosanjh that just after the Taping Incident became public, and Mr., Dosanjh's central and principle role in that event became known to the public, Mr. Mann telephoned Mr. Grewal and voiced extreme displeasure with Mr. Grewal's actions. And then just a few short weeks later, up pops a complaint relayed to you regarding two cheques. Mann has provided you with two items, one for $1800. and another for $600. In the matter of the item for $600., our research shows that this item followed the same pattern as Mr. Dhahan's above. Namely, it was used to help pay for the December 2003 dinner, this cheque cleared in nearly identical fashion to that of Mr. Dhahan's, and all of the above questions must be asked of Mr. Mann.
Regarding the cheque in the amount of $1800. our research shows that this cheque was made payable to the Nina Grewal Campaign. This item represents the approximate cash value of the telephone call centre system Mr. Mann supplied to be used by both the Gurmant and Nina Grewal campaigns in June 2004. The reverse of that cheque clearly shows it was properly endorsed by the Registered Agent for Nina Grewal, and deposited to the EDA account. The lack of receipt on this account appears to be a simple clerical error related to the change in volunteer Registered Agents for the Fleetwood-Port Kells campaign. The new Registered Agent assumed his predecessor had issued all official receipts up to the time of the changeover. Our investigation indicates that all of the paperwork and reports are correct, and an official receipt will be issued to Mr. Mann forthwith. (On a perhaps embarrassing note, this sort of thing does happen from time to time, given the large number of items processed by volunteers during a campaign, but we do try to do our best)
This brings us to the Imperial Plumbing cheque in the amount of $1000. Here we must admit we are a bit stumped, not the least due to the fact that the copy of the cheque you forwarded to us doesn't appear to have been endorsed by anyone on the reverse, and the cheque seems to have been cleared at the Khalsa Credit Union the same day it was drawn. Equally baffling is the fact the item was processed at a branch of that credit union about 20 miles from where the cheque was prepared. We are even more baffled by this one, when we examine the date the transaction(s) occurred. Our research indicates that on that date, Mr. Grewal was in Ottawa, and either in his office, or in the House of Commons ("Hansard" can actually verify this).
[Cheque shown at top of page]This would place Mr. Grewal at a considerable, and verifiable distance from where this cheque was issued, which would have made it remarkably difficult for him to have cashed this cheque made payable to him personally.
This leaves us with the Jas Atwal cheque in the amount of $500. made out to Gurmant Grewal and dated January 14, 2003, which was subsequently deposited into Mr. Grewal's personal account in February of 2003. This cheque is perhaps the most vexing, and infuriating one from our perspective. In investigating this one, we have determined that this cheque had nothing whatsoever to do with politics, or with so-called political donations. Nothing whatsoever! This cheque was countersigned over to Mr. Grewal for a portion of a small private business debt owed to him by a Mr. Gill, who among other things is a respected individual in the Indo Canadian Community. He is also a journalist, and owner of Surrey media outlet "Radio India".
Mr. Gill is prepared to provide a record of the Atwal debt owed to him, and also a sworn statement attesting to the fact that the Atwal cheque was in fact countersigned over to Mr. Grewal for a small and entirely unrelated (to Mr. Atwal) private debt. Further, Mr. Grewal is adamant that the words "For Fund Raiser" which appear on the memo line of this cheque must have been added at a later date (which would be ever so easy to do, and with the actual cheque in the right formal investigative hands, would also be ever so easy to verify). Notwithstanding the fact this item is over two years old, to make a claim that it was a political donation takes us right back up to the hard questions that should be asked of Mr. Mann and Mr. Dhahan.
To conclude, we very much have appreciated the time you have given us in which we could examine the above items, and we trust in turn that you will reciprocally appreciate the time and effort (most of it from committed volunteers) that we have put into providing the answers you have been seeking. We trust that our answers have given you much in the way of additional information, and as is often the case, additional questions to ponder.
We would like to conclude with two important thoughts though. The first is that the common denominator in all of the above is not so much the matter of missing receipts, but rather the fact that loyalty to Ujjal Dosanjh figured large, and often, in our inquiries. This is perhaps not surprising at all, given it is the Liberal Party's sworn intention to do everything it can to deflect attention away from Mr. Ujjal Dosanjh by attempting to shoot the messenger (that would be our Member of parliament) at every opportunity. Even the most flimsy of claims against Mr. Grewal are trotted out in the achievement of the goal of shielding Mr. Dosanjh from additional, or centre-stage scrutiny. We have heard for some time now that there would be a challenge to Mr. Grewal in the form of cheques. Given what we have seen with the above six items, we feel that the strategy of the Liberals will continue, as will our ability to defend our MP.
In addition, our experience during the examination of these items also leaves us with the knowledge of the profound vulnerability of ANY public official who at some later date might have completely logical personal financial transactions dragged out into the public arena. Events turn, opinions change, or agendas are unleashed, and all of a sudden seemingly mundane financial transactions become potential problems (the Atwal item above is the best/worst of the preceding six in this regard). Given this vulnerability, it is incumbent that those investigating such claims must ask all of the pertinent questions of those doing the complaining. It is likely that in a formal legal forum, each of the above claims would have received short shrift (at best) from those doing the examining and in a worst case, were there Audited and/or Income Tax records indicating facts to the contrary, then those doing the complaining would find themselves in quite a bit more trouble than just having to say "Oops, I'm so sorry. I guess that wasn't a political donation after all".
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Once again, it seems that Grewal is clean. His behavior in the last few months has certainly been odd, but it appears that every acusation the Liberals make against him is completely unfounded.
For all their contempt for everything American, the Liberals have taken what they would likely call "American-style campaigning" to the extreme.
Should I expect a forthcoming accusation that Grewal has killed people in his riding? That Grewal was responsible for the submarine fire?
I'm kidding of course. A little. Sort of.
Posted by: Anti-Socialist Mike at July 15, 2005 5:18 PMI was wondering why CBC dropped this story line so quickly...
All I can say in this one is that both Grewal and Dosanjh should be booted from their respective caucuses. Neither side has covered themselves with glory on this one.
I think the PM and Mr Harper need to make an object lesson of this case that This is NOT India and that this kind of political behavior is neither acceptable nor tolerated in Canada. the last couple years there has been an alarming increase in the cases unethical political behavior and somehow the party leaders need to be sent a message that it stops now!!!
as for the CBC they need to take a hard look at the definition of objective journalism. and then take a harder look at thier own behavior.
Posted by: Sierra at July 15, 2005 5:28 PMSierra,
Don't you mean that our leaders should lead and do what is right themselves rather than the masses needing to tell them what to do? That is what leaders should do.
Posted by: Hobbes at July 15, 2005 5:41 PMObviously, all the parties concerned have graduated from the Al Gore School of Fundraising, majoring in Buddhist Temple three card money monty and the proper misuse of religious and ethnic funding.
Not PC? We're sorry.
Posted by: Sigmund, Carl and Alfred at July 15, 2005 5:48 PMDosanjh urges Indians to battle corruption
>From Indo-Asian News Service
Chandigarh, Jan 16 (IANS) Ujjal Dosanjh, a former premier of
Canada's British Columbia province, has asked Indians to root out
corruption from the country.
"If the people of India want foreign investment and all-round
development, they must create a congenial atmosphere by resolving
that they would neither give nor take bribes," he told reporters at
Phillaur town in Haryana.
The former premier said non-resident Indians and foreigners were
eager to invest in India but the "corruption-ridden system"
prevented them from investing in the country.
"Simply blaming the system isn't enough. Instead, to make India
corruption-free, a mass movement along the lines of the freedom
struggle needs to be launched," he said.
Dosanjh was Tuesday feted by NRI Sabha Punjab, an organisation
representing some five million people of Punjabi origin living
across the world. He was honoured at the group's seventh annual
convocation in Jalandhar, some 150 km from here.
http://www.rapp.org/url/?59UD0KDI
January, 2003
Dosanjh honoured for corruption; root it out he says. Some rooter; some Dosanjh. Pigs root in the trough. Here, pig. Here is some pork from the Librano$$$$$$$$ Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Sierra & Sigmund et al, I'm not sure why you're calling for Grewal to go away. He has been cleared repeatedly, by various sources.
Is he the most sympathetic of underdogs? No.
Is he the victim of character assassination? Yes.
Has he contributed, through odd behaviors, to his demise in public esteem? Yes.
To lump him in with Dosanjj is unfair. You're shooting the messenger, and feeding the Liberal fires under his feet. I suppose you think Harper should resign since he didn't see the Stronach debacle coming?
Posted by: Candace at July 15, 2005 6:31 PMNo Hobbes.
this is a democracy... like it or not the Canadian public bears as much responibility of the political corruption that we're seeing as the party leaders. We put up with it and let it happen.
It's up to the Canadian public to find representatives that will stop the corruption and then vote them in to stop it!
in this case the public needs to let Martin & Harper know of thier disatisfaction and let them know we are watching.
unfortuately most Canadians are too apathetic to care. and so they keep getting away with this crap!
Posted by: Sierra at July 15, 2005 6:33 PMSierra, I don't know why you are bringing Harper and Grewal into the corruption equation, the Liberals are the ones with their fingers in the cookie jar and continue to get a free ride from the MSM. Jake
Posted by: Jake at July 15, 2005 6:48 PMTerry Milewski should be sued immediately. He made the accusation on National TV that a cheque that was made out to Gurmant Grewal personally was an undeclared campaign contribution, when it in fact was a repayment of a debt that was owed to Mr. Grewal.
This just stinks, and I still can't believe the number of people who persist in pointing their finger at Grewal, when it is so obvious that he has been the target of a vendetta. I hope none of you are ever falsely accused of something, only to have people continue to vilify you even when you are completely aquitted.
Grewal's "crime" was to expose the Liberal's M.O. The fact that they never faced the music, but instead slandered him, by using both the RCMP and the CBC, should elicit sympathy for him, not condemnation.
Don't be so goddamn credulous. It's sickening.
Posted by: EBD at July 15, 2005 7:34 PMIf it was a repayment of debt, why didnt Grewal say so? HE said a tax receipt was issued. Grewal is a nightmare. Harper sould fire him.
Posted by: yoyo at July 15, 2005 8:06 PMLets be honest: if Gurmant were a wealthy white guy with a good grasp of English, would this have happened?
The CBC likes to falsely raise the spectre of racism at every possible opportunity in order to help its government masters, but its own behaviour in this won't receive any scrutiny.
I have not ever been surprised by any of this. The dude has been assaulted by the most instant smear campaign ever orchastrated by a free press. How does is the cbc supposed to have ANY credibillity when right-of-center viewers have all beared witness to the depressing bias they have proven regarding this issue. Do I really need to talk about Jean Brault and that warm day in Saskachewan?
They broke and ran with ALL of the negative Grewel stories...
But never really did have a word to say about Good Mr. Iron Man's tapes. or his (limp)"vindications...
p.s John Smith
What ARE you talking about?
This cheque looks strange to me.
A cheque (once cleared) is usually imprinted in the lower right hand corner (on the same line as the account # information) with a 10 digit number that basically indicates the amount of the cheque.
Have a look at one of your returned and cashed cheques. A cheque for $1234.00 would be imprinted below the signature line with the code: 0000123400.
This is test that auditor's use (or at least used to use) when examining cashed cheques to ensure the bank had actually processed them.
Admittedly, this credit union may not do this however I understood that this was common practice.
Looking at the face of the cheque I'd say that it had not been cashed...
hmmm...
Posted by: A Ziggen at July 15, 2005 9:09 PMMartin has declared war. Parliament is not sitting. Is this legal? Is Martin in contempt of Parliament?
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Posted by: maz2 at July 15, 2005 9:13 PMGrewal has conducted himself as only an innocent man could. It's not the same as being politically savvy, but hey, at least he has behaved with dignity. Interesting how determined the Librano$ are to undermine him, with the help of the media, course. Obviously there is more to those tapes than meets the ear.
Posted by: Iron Lady at July 15, 2005 9:13 PMKnight: I believe your "P.S." was for yoyo, not John Smith, no?
Posted by: EBD at July 15, 2005 9:15 PMThe CBC should be sued for slander at the very least shoddy reporting and biased in the extreme. It is the liberals who should be under investigation, not Grewal. If anyone is wondering where these accusations are coming from check out the Vancouver Sun.
GREWAL'S ACCUSERS BOTH LINKED TO UJJAL DOSANJH
and there is your answer.
Posted by: inkydink at July 15, 2005 9:46 PMIt IS a royal P***-off that these accusers are linked to Dosanjh, but it is downright revolting that this sneaky little Dosanjh/Liberal con-job revenge plot should get a national prime-time airing on CBC, just because one of Dosanjh's buddies gives a call to our government media network.
The CPC should take legal action against the CBC -- turn the tables on the Liberal gang members for once. I don't see how they can let this go. Someone repayed a personal debt to Grewal, with a cheque that was made out to him, and not the party, and then Milewski goes on National television and makes the false accusation that the money received was an unreported political contribution. And all this this based on the baseless allegation of a Dosanjh supporter.
There is too much in this story for the Conservatives to let it go. I really hope that they don't. When the media doesn't pick up on things, you have to stick it to them, with a sharp legal point.
Posted by: EBD at July 15, 2005 10:10 PM
No party in the Commons has exactly covered themselves in glory this year.
The Liberals are corrupt that is without question. Harper and the conservatives arn't corrupt but they sure are stupid sometimes. half the political battle is with the media and public opionon and Harper & co. look like absolute rookie morons when it comes to dealing with the media. Like it or not Skill in handling CBC and CTV is probably the most important skill a politician needs, and is a skill that the Conservatives are sorely lacking. Harpers lack of success in Ontario has less to do with thier ability to run the country or thier "secret agenda" it has more to do with thier total ineptude to use the media to get their message out there. Yes the media is hostile to them... all the more reason they need to skillfully manage thier message. Grewal is a liability if he can't learn how to present a message to the media... Secretly taping a conversations is not the way to do it...
Posted by: Sierra at July 15, 2005 10:16 PMI agree with EBD.
If no one sues the CBC, Globe and Mail or Star, they will all continue to support corruption.
The Liberals like to play ball, let's play hardball.
The media like to play games, let's play snakes and ladders.
I agree, sue them, I'll contribute to the fund. In the meantime the CPC needs to learn how to play hard ball they need to go after the health minster big time. Strike while the iron is hot, fight fire with fire.
Posted by: inkydink at July 15, 2005 10:37 PMConsidering Milewski's experience with the Liberal government in the Peppergate scandal - you would think he would have a little more sympathy for a man undergoing a smear campaign. Why is he now acting like a PR man for the PMO?
Posted by: Mike at July 15, 2005 11:01 PM"Why is he now acting like a PR man for the PMO?"
Maybe Jim Munson is leaving the Upper Chamber which means the Senate Journalist Seat will be open. Naw! It's the francophone's turn for the appointment.
Posted by: BCer at July 15, 2005 11:17 PMSierra said "Like it or not Skill in handling CBC and CTV is probably the most important skill a politician needs, and is a skill that the Conservatives are sorely lacking"
Sierra the MSM are liberals, they are corrupted. The CBC is very much afraid of having a conservative government and are activly smearing away doing their best to try to stop that from ever happening .
They will never help the Conservatives.
Why tie yourself in knots trying to find something equally shameful about the conservatives to match the liberal crimewave.
Mike Puffy and Mansbridge on the liberal payroll does not make a knock against the Conservatives in any way comparable to the filth the liberals are covered in.
WTF!
The most important skill a politician needs is the ability to see the right policy that benifits Canadians and be able to convince others with their argument. Not serve up dead socialist shit with politically correct toppings to appease the moonbat lefty freaks at the Communist Broadcasting Corporation.
Posted by: richfisher at July 15, 2005 11:22 PMI doubt I will see a better post in a long long time.
Thank you Kate.
Richfisher wrote, "The most important skill a politician needs is the ability to see the right policy that benifits Canadians and be able to convince others with their argument."
Exactly!!! very well put...
The problem is the CPC while they have the right policy they royaly SUCK at "convince others with their arguement" part. Right now the NDP and the Greens are more persuasive in thier arguements.
Posted by: Sierra at July 15, 2005 11:49 PM> Right now the NDP and the Greens are more
>persuasive in their arguements.
Right. And that became apparent how, exactly?
Oh right, the liberal media talking heads. CBC said the Conservatives aren't convincing in their arguments, so it must be true. CBC said the NDP and the Greens are convincing in their arguments. And of course, they would know...
The NDP and Greens are only convincing if your brain is full mush.
Posted by: Spooky at July 16, 2005 12:31 AMFace it, any party deemed to be the least bit right wing will be questionable as to press coverage. The left wing moonbat media does not want anything to do with conservative values, unless it is negative, and that's a fact. So unless your a tree hugging socialist marxist moonbat, you can forget it.
Posted by: rob at July 16, 2005 12:38 AMWas out for most of the day so I'm late to the party. Very, very good news.
I agree with EBD.
Grewal should sue Terry Milewski immediately. Call a news conference Monday morning first thing and sue the crap out of him. And do not accept an out of court settlement. Then, during the discovery, try to uncover some proof about other shady goings ons. I love discoveries if I'm on the side asking the questions.
Grewal should also sue the CBC, CTV and several newspapers for slander at least. And don't accept an out of court settlement with them either.
Finally, the CPC has a suit here as well. The CPC should take up all the time between now and this fall when the House sits again with this story. Keep it in the news by filing suit against the Liberal Party of Canada and some of the MSM. The lawyers will have fun with this if the CPC gives the go ahead. Just make sure to use Alberta lawyers.
Someone else mentioned hardball. I love hardball. I want to see the CPC get down and dirty on this one. Now is the time. If they mess this up I think I'll go live on an island.
Posted by: John Crittenden at July 16, 2005 12:53 AMJohn is right, it is time for hardball.
Suppose someone owed Martin a couple of hundred dollars, and paid him back with a personal cheque signed to "Paul Martin", with no mention of the Liberal Party anywhere on it.
Now imagine that the next day, because of that cheque, and based on the word of some bit-player on the executive of a Conservative riding association, some reporter accused Martin on prime-time national television of taking a campaign contribution and not issuing a recipt. Do you think the broadcaster and the reporter might be sued? (Hint: that's a rhetorical question).
For the Conservatives, it's starting to appear that all those years spent helplessly watching the Liberals institutionally consolidate their power with the takeover of previously public institutions has left the CPC with the political equivalent of battered-wfie syndrome. And the Liberals are starting to show that they KNOW it.
If Harper doesn't fight on this one, there's no real fight left in the party. Grewal may not be the most sympathetic characater at this point because so many people see him as discredited. But like SPooky said, it's the Liberals and the liberal talking heads who have spun that fiction. And it IS fiction. Monday's broadcast was sure not journalism. It was more like the Liberal overlords singing through a rented bird. I have never seen a news segment with such a strange, very bad edge to it.
Posted by: EBD at July 16, 2005 1:06 AMThis is the same story that has played out over and over again. Anytime there is evidence of a Lie-beral scandal the MSM relentlessly attack the opposition.
In 2000 right after Shawinigate came to light, the big story was scary, anti-semitic Stockwell Day and his secret religious agenda, support for Israel and diabolical plans for two-tier health care. During an interview with him Wendy Mesley looked like she had just swallowed a bottle of Cod Liver Oil.
The only exception was Peppergate in which the offended parties were mostly left wing. At the time Milewski seemed like a hero when fired by the CBC. Not anymore, rather... Canada has her own Dan Rather now.
Posted by: Mike S at July 16, 2005 1:47 AMGreat find, Kate, and very interesting. Is there a scan of the Dhanan $600 cheque?
Posted by: buckets at July 16, 2005 1:52 AMMuch of the image of weakness or silence from the CPC is our own fault.
Why are there no loud public demonstrations of discontent, anger and protest against the criminal injustices of the Libranos?
Peaceful Public demonstrations are the best way to publicize a just cause. If the CPC are smart enough to provide well worded printed info sheets to the marchers, their side of the story can be publicized at very little cost.
The media, no matter how weighted, are obligated to cover a march of any reasonable size. There is plenty of just cause for protests against the Libscams.
Every public sports event I go to there is cheering for both teams.
How unnatural is it that all political cheering in the public media is so one sided?
We are all so critical of Harper and the CPC about not getting the message out. Look at what they are up against. The MSM's richest customer is the Libscammer government. 73s TG
I agree the CPC & Grewal should sue. Hell, Tim Murphy is suing, and suing columnists that used his TAPED CONVERSATIONS as a source!
This is just insane.
Posted by: Candace at July 16, 2005 3:12 AMSierra, enough with the relativism. The CPC and the Fiberals are NOT the same, Harper and Martin are NOT the same. Actually, if you listen to the Grewal tapes or read their transcripts it become very clear that Paul Martin DOES support this kind of political behaviour, so it's rather rich that you want Martin and Harper to speak out against it! Grewal was absolutely right to tape his conversations to cover his a**. And if you think the type of behaviour exhibited by Dosanjh and Grewal are because they're replicating India, you're mistaken -- they're just not as slick and experienced as the big Librano machine. Perhaps an audit of Quebec ridings would demonstrate even worse behaviour and corruption.
Posted by: CanRev at July 16, 2005 3:28 AMTony, Canadians aren't the marching types, and you know what? It wouldn't get the sort of coverage that you would want. The problem isn't that the media vote Liberal, it's that they are de facto members of the government. No, at this point we need lawyers. What happened on Monday was slander, innuendo, character assassination and it was so very, very bald. What John C. said about the asking side of things and the delights it brings.
I'd march with you, but there might only be four or five of us. Maybe I'm cynical, but in Alberta, getting people to march against the Liberals is about as easy as getting people to march against tapeworms.
I don't mean to insult Liberals, I was just trying to be funny in a folksy, western way.
Posted by: EBD at July 16, 2005 3:35 AMBased on the cryptic contextual cogency of richfisher's 11:22 comment, I think the only proper acronym for an opposition party would be the WTF.
As in, the WTF party: For people who say, sincerely, WTF?
Posted by: EBD at July 16, 2005 5:35 AMThe media tend to ignore or minimize demonstrations they don't agree with:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/may/01051401.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/jan/03012404.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/jan/04012602.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/apr/05041102.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/may/05050105.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/may/05052401.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05062001.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05062801.html
Politicians in Canada are puppets to organized Bureacuratic Corruption that controls everything. Canada has become the South America of North America. The media is a paid-off propaganga machine. There is no hope for this Country unless our higher Civil Servants are all overhaulled and told to find jobs in the private sector that has nothing to do with government or public service.
Posted by: IAC at July 16, 2005 8:00 AMI hope everyone is explaining this to their children. I am, in great detail. I am explaining very carefully how the Libranos operate, and how the MSM operates just like another government department. I am explaining how the Libranos ignored their defeat in our Parliament. I am explaining how the GG is a pathetic joke. How Libranos use their ugly machine to put our money in envelopes. How the CBC is a Librano propaganda machine. All of it. I explain all of it. Every night at the dinner table. Perhaps this generation is lost. I am just one voter, but I have three that are less than a decade away from voting dine with me every night. I am doing everything I can to be sure that if my generation can't stop them, then their generation will stop these hypocritical crooks from trashing our country further. That is, if it's not too late.
The Libranos know how to shun a reporter that doesn't tow the line. Career over.
There is another way to end a reporting career: to have the mask of objectivity fall off in public.
Terry has a dilemma: career damage by the Libranos, or career damage by being losing the appearance of being objective.
He's already suffering one of those fates in my house. He could redeem himself if he has the guts to run with this information and face the Libranos. I'm not going to hold my breath, however.
Posted by: Shaken at July 16, 2005 8:02 AMMy fellow patriotic Canadians:
We are at war. Nonviolent, civil war. With those who have hijacked our great nation beginning in the fall of 1993. We must break free of the confinement and torture imposed on us by the hopelessly corrupt, undemocratic, selfish, uncaring Liberal Party of Canada who has kidnapped each and every one of us and continues to hold us ransom for our own money.
We have, through no fault of our own, not quite realized this fact until recently, when our gradually but steadily building suspicions of this quasi-slavery reality quickly became knowledge beyond a reasonable doubt. We have all the evidence compiled since the Liberals seized our country and confiscated an ever-increasing amount of our property.
We now are reasonably, justifiably certain that the current state regime has quietly, sysetmatically exerted increasing control over all private and public institutions and agencies of the state. Arms' length relationship? A Liberal lie. Independence of the media and judiciary? Ditto. Proof for the intelligent, reasonable person: media is strictly controlled by the CRTC. Judges are appointed by the political leader who calls all the shots and who alone deems, as he sees fit, what will be.
I declare now is the time for the people and their real representative, the Conservative Party of Canada, to FIGHT BACK. FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE. USE THE ENEMY'S FILTHY TACTICS AGAINST THEM. SUE, SUE, SUE! FORCE THE MEDIA TO REPORT ON THE TRUTH! BE RELENTLESS! THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOAL: VICTORY! LIBERTY IS PRECIOUS AND BELONGS TO ALL OF US GOOD, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS.
AFTER ALL, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY! IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA! THEY STOLE IT FROM US!
IF WE DON'T FIGHT FOR OUR LIBERTY, WE WILL NEVER HAVE IT AGAIN!
WE MUST USE EVERY LEGAL, NONVIOLENT MEANS AT OUR DISPOSAL TO DEFEAT THE DIRTY ROTTEN SCOUNDRELS!
WE MUST DO THIS TOTALLY UNITED IN OUR GOAL. WE MUST EXERCISE OUR TRUE PATRIOT LOVE AND STAND ON GUARD FOR THEE! THE TIME IS NOW! EVERYONE COME JOIN THE FIGHT FOR LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACY AND FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS GREAT NATION, CANADA!
CORRUPTION, OUT, DAMNED CORRUPTION! BE THEE GONE, DICTATORSHIP! PURGE THEE, KLEPTOCRACY!
ONWARD, SOLDIERS OF THE PEACEFUL LIBERATION OF CANADA, THE TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE!
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 9:18 AMSierra:
How can the CPC be more pursuasive in thier arguments? Their arguments and positions are well thought out. What they lack is a method to get that message to the public without said message being bastardized and spun. In case you haven't noticed we have no politically centrist media (never mind right leaning, except for the western standard) in this country. The orchestrated character assassination of Gurmant Grewal bears this out. Right from my community newspapers and local radio and TV onto the national scene. All with a unified voice. Not with a trace of doubt.
Look at the fat plum that hangs here at SDA. I have my doubts that publication of this information will get any further than this.
I am long past the point of believing that the media in this country are simply reflecting their own biases in their reporting.
Their lack of curiosity regarding Grewals innocence or motives and affiliations of his accusers is willful and demonstratable. This is not arbitrary or accidental. And what I find scary, is that they don't seem to care how obvious it is becoming. There are no challengers to these shapers of public opinion.
Posted by: ward at July 16, 2005 10:59 AMInstead of protesting to Terry Milewski, you should be writng directly to Liza Frulla. (Who you might ask?) She's the Minister responsible for the CBC.
Do you think she's even aware of this? ...Not a chance.
I cry for my country.
Posted by: Two Cents at July 16, 2005 11:05 AMI think another course to follow is to complain to the CBC ombudsman. I suspect the email addy is ombudsman@cbc.ca
Another point I want to make - those who comment that "Grewals behavior is strange" are basing that conclusion solely on the same media reports that are misrepresenting the facts. I'd withhold judgement on that quarter as well.
Posted by: Kate at July 16, 2005 11:12 AMStrange...he acted with conviction, in my opinion.
Posted by: Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man at July 16, 2005 11:19 AMGrewal, strange? Absolutely not if you leave aside the fact that he regularly tapes conversations, and that he once counselled a dictator.
Posted by: Peter at July 16, 2005 12:31 PMStrange? How is doing the right thing strange? Of course, as Kate pointed out, many people are allowing the media to shape their opinions of Mr. Grewal's actions.
Sure, we're led, through countless negative media reports on Mr. Grewal, to think things that aren't true. They won't let up. They're desperately trying to discredit Mr. Grewal to prevent people from seeing the evident credibility in the tapes he made implicating the Liberal gov't in criminal wrongdoing wrt attempting to bribe an MP, Grewal, who knew he had to catch them in the act because, probably, no one else would.
Looks to me that the individuals mentioned in the above letter to Milewski, being Liberal members and friends of Dosanjh, are deliberately trying to discredit Mr. Grewal. However, the way they're doing it has no credibility whatsoever, as we can see with all the questions raised about the checks, timelines, etc.
I recommend the CPC have an expert forensically examine the checks, if possible, or at least raise question after question about them, especially wrt the Jaspal Atwal one wherein the "For fundraiser" line is written.
Besides, didn't Mr. Grewal recently explain to the media that nothing wrong was done since at the time of the checks being written, the rules in place for political donations etc. were being followed? Where's the obligatory mention all over the media of this fact? Seems they're trying to bury the exonerating truth well under the accusations coming from LIBRANOS like the ones who came forward to help Dosanjh all of a sudden after all this time and go straight to the media with their bullshit?
And why did the RCMP immediately launch into a full investigation of Mr. Grewal, not the accusers? Why did the RCMP go directly, unasked, to the CBC to announce their investigation?
The RCMP first raised my suspicions with their activities during APEC97. It sure looked to me that they were following PMO orders to do whatever it took to protect PMJC and the butcherous dictator Suharto from embarrassment.
I ask: if the RCMP is responsible for protecting the PM, the government members and other MPs, like the American Secret Service, aren't they necessarily in a clear conflict of interest? The Secret Service would NEVER do anything to bring any kind of harm on the President or the gov't by investigating or releasing damaging info. thereon. It stands to reason that the Mounties also cannot do anything that conflicts with their duty to protect the PM and Cabinet from harm, be it physical or political.
I move for the relieving of the RCMP of their responsibility to protect the PM and that duty be reassigned to a Canadian Secret Service.
The RCMP has too many conflicting responsibilities wrt protection and investigation and prosecution while having grossly inadequate funding and resources to carry out all duties quickly, completely and efficiently.
I move that the Commissioner no longer be a political appointee so as not to be beholden to a political master.
We should examine the American system and find what works and what doesn't and then see what we can do to make our system work to bring back necessary checks and balances against state power and corruption and prevent crimes against the people by the state and, if necessary, prosecute the members of the gov't responsible for the crimes. As far as I can see, that is NOT the way things are going today.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 12:43 PMMaybe someone else has better research skils....who is on the board of the Khalsa Credit Union and who are the managers at the branches where this stuff took place...and who is the VP and president they would report to.
If one of the scenarios is that cheques have been altered or that one cheque is being fraudulently being cashed then you need insiders...I am not saying this was done but without names you cant track it al down.
Their website doesnt appear to have the listing.
As for Mr Milewski....well he is no friend of the Chretien Liberals...he might be a friend of Martin Liberals. As well, he may be trying to redeem some of his contacts in the Indo Canadian community after some of his vacuous stuff on the Air India Bombing, his relationship with the families was hot and cold for sure.
As for why didnt he do more digging himself before he makes the accusation....seems to be part of the Milewski ouvre and certainly well within CBC reporting guidelines when dealing with conservative opponents.
Al of the cheques appear to have proper explainations, reeipts were not required before that time. Of course did TM ever ask if these guys made donations to UD and can they produce the receipts for all of their donations.
Where is the RCMP investiogation of these guys period to look at ALL of their political donations and tax records...oh sorry that would only happen if they accussed the Liberals of something.
This is UD trying to show that you should never cross him and that you be in a "world of hurt" if you do.
LEts hope Mr Gomery is a fast writer and that he is not in the back pocket.
Posted by: stephen at July 16, 2005 12:45 PMStephen, you don't reckon it a bit off-putting that Grewal had ties to an awful dictator?
Peter
Posted by: Peter at July 16, 2005 12:50 PMPeter is a Librano$.
Prove to the blogosphere that Grewal "once counselled a dictator". Provide URL's, name, places, & etc.
OTOH, are you using sarcasm? Is the "dictator" Jean Chretien/AdsCam Martin? If so, Grewal is a Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ mole within the Conservative Party. A plot worthy of John Lecarre; are you writing a spy novel, Peter?
Remember when Jean Chretien complained after APEC97 of Terry Milewski's supposed bias against the PM and PMO to the CBC Ombudsman? Kate has a good idea here. It worked then against Milewski. Old Cretin successfully cast doubt on him enough to take quite a bit of heat off of himself with that masterful diversion, which the CBC gladly helped him with by suspending Milewski. Looks, btw, like the Cretin is attempting the very same thing against Judge Gomery, who hasn't demonstrated any bias whatsoever and cannot even point fingers and assign criminal blame, according to his mandate. He, like the Auditor General, can uncover plenty of helpful facts for the people, but cannot change a damn thing. Still, Cretin and Martin will stop at nothing to try to delay or even prevent Gomery's report as still the court of public opinion can hurt them quite badly.
In addition to citizens complaining to the Ombudsman, Mr. Grewal and Mr. Harper should launch formal complaints and demand a full investigation of Milewski's reporting tactics. What happened to Dan Rather ought to happen to Milewski if he's found to have exercised bias, either intentionally or negligently (via failure to throughly check out accusations and documents)he should be fired at least. And the CBC should apologize for what it has been tolerating wrt that kind of reporting.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 12:58 PMMaz2: I am sure, either way, you can tie it back to black helicopters.
Posted by: Peter at July 16, 2005 1:06 PMIf nothing else, that Credit Union has a history:
THE PROVINCE - The eldest son of Air India bombing suspect Ripudaman Singh Malik has resigned as a director of the Khalsa Credit Union after government regulators alleged he had been in a conflict of interest and lied under oath.
http://www.sikhsundesh.net/trial.html
Posted by: rob at July 16, 2005 1:23 PMLooks like the other Stephen and myself are thinking as one on this matter.
He wrote and posted the above as I was writing MY above.
Therefore, in response to the dude, Peter, whom Maz2 has identified as a Librano,:
"Stephen, you don't reckon it a bit off-putting that Grewal had ties to an awful dictator?
Peter"
Well, Petey Libby, I am uncertain which Stephen you were addressing, but I will answer for myself:
As Maz2 has dared you: prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, any ties between Mr. Grewal and a dictator, like your own ties to the dictator of Canada. I read something circumstantial a while ago but found nothing to make me think you're possibly going to demonstrate anything other than cowardly partisan sniping from your hiding place.
And Peter, I DARE YOU TO TELL US YOUR LAST NAME! Otherwise, I will simply dismiss you as I do the CBC...
What daresay you, Libby? I hold not my breath.
P.S. Peter, what do you think of Chretien's ties to Suharto? To the elder Khadr of Al Qaeda? What do you think of Paul Martin's ties to the LTTE terrorist organization (he dined with them all the while having been warned by CSIS of their deadly reality and then defended his actions as a cultural celebration- either he ignored the CSIS warning of such critical import, which would prove incompetence or he did it knowingly, which scares the bloody fecking hell out of me). Doesn't THAT disturb you in the least, Pete? Don't deny the truth!
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 1:27 PMPeter, you don't find it in the least bit strange that these allegations suddenly surface AFTER Grewal made his vote-buying allegations public (proven by the audiotapes, complete or incomplete as they may be)? Or that the people suddenly making these allegations can all be shown to have cozy relationships with Dosanjh? I personally don't have enough evidence to say whether or not Grewal was fishing for a sweet-heart deal for himself and his wife, but what the tapes make crystal-clear is that Dosanjh and Murphy were OFFERING all sorts of rewards and "comfy fur" to Grewal in exchange for his/her/their vote, which is not only corrupt, it is a CRIMINAL ACT.
Posted by: SDC at July 16, 2005 1:31 PMThe Khalsa Credit Union has a very shady history indeed, so the processing of the check is very, very suspicious:
Also arrested recently is businessman Ripudaman Singh Malik who founded the Khalsa Credit Union and the Khalsa School in the Vancouver area. Malik faces charges of conspiracy and is to be tried along with Bagri and Reyat.
http://www.flight182.com/part216.htm
Posted by: rob at July 16, 2005 1:40 PMI know nothing about any black helicopters. I know about the Sea Kings, though, and that is bad. Bad, bad Libbies. Billions for boondoggles, registries, scandals, communist programs few ask for and $100-million to buy two luxojets for the PM OUT OF THE MILITARY BUDGET!
And they claim to like what the head warrior of the Forces is saying about being ready to fight and kill the enemy? This is hilarious! Paintballs don't kill terrorists! Put billions into ND NOW! Don't just promise to put a couple million in here and there!
They are doing this to Mr. Grewal, with the aid of people like Peter, so as to detract from their shamefully gross incompetence and greed!
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 1:43 PMHere is a link that ties Malik, Dosanjh, Chretien, and Khalsa Credit Union together:
http://tinyurl.com/8nthf
Lots of talk. Now let's see some action. If the CPC does not decide to fight fire with fire then we may have the wrong people in the CPC. I'm not convinced that's the case. However, I think it's time for others, who support the CPC and love a free and strong Canada, to take action into our own hands. This is the time for all those in Alberta who believe in the firewall (as a viable alternative to outright separation) to take charge of this situation.
Where are the lawyers in Alberta who vote CPC and want a strong Alberta in a strong Canada? Now is the time for you to form a side association in support of this principle. Get together and start several lawsuits in the name of Canada. Donate a portion of your time and become national figures in the doing. Your names may go down in history.
Some say wait for the RCMP investigation to be completed. But I don't have much faith in the top people in the RCMP right now. I agree with Stephen McAllister's opinions of the RCMP.
Let's do this ourselves. I'll drop my $100 into the pot.
Let's have some fun with this, and take our country back at the same time.
Someone asked about the Khalsa Credit Union board of directors. Here they are as of 2005, pictures and all:
http://www.iwaccu.com/cscu/board.asp
Perhaps the first thing an Alberta lawyer could do is research this Khalsa Credit Union board of directors and determine their political connections and also the trail of these two cheques.
Let's keep this thread open and see if the MSM picks it up. It's now on Neale. Let's see how far it will go. Leep on commenting everyone.
Posted by: John Crittenden at July 16, 2005 2:49 PMTaking a break now from mowing my lawn. I'm half done and am cooling off as I was practically roasting in the sun and 26 degree heat, a rarity in Saint John, especially a dry heat.
Mr. Crittenden is right on: if we remain apathetic about what the Liberals are doing to Canada, we may lose the country. Do we want to take that risk? Not only Albertans but people everywhere, like myself on the east coast, care deeply and passionately about their country enough that little by little we've been doing more and more... first by closely watching the behavior of the government, the media, the institutions of the state, etc. so we can be certain we'll do the right thing by being properly informed (the hard way by thinking for ourselves and rooting out the truth that's buried within the MSM under all the lies). Then we take advantage of the blogosphere (thanks to Captain Ed, who made me take notice by thumbing his nose at our government... he's linking Kate's site and this thread from his as I write this. Of course, he's at www.captainsquartersblog.com) and take the initiative and participate actively on serious blogs like Kate's SDA.
I think every province, not just Alberta and Quebec, should have a sort of "firewall" whose purpose is to have an automatic means, like in computing, of repelling attempted illegal or uninvited entry by a malevolent party (like the Liberal Party) trying to hijack us.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the Libranos attempt to silence the people by regulating the blogosphere into a poor facsimile of the editorial sections of newspapers in which only the comments, usually edited, deemed acceptable by some guardian of political correctness are published. We don't want the blogosphere, something that finally gives us our Charter right to freedom of expression in a way we've never before had it... to become like the comments section on canada.com, where I've previously posted some perfectly acceptable comments which were excluded by a censor there.
I recently joined the Conservative Party of Canada after dithering for over a decade on whether to join Reform and the Canadian Alliance. I just had to take another step toward involvement and action. Shortly thereafter, I began participating in SDA. As for my own next step, that's up in the air. I've already gone further than I ever expected. That's how seriously I take the danger posed to my country by the Liberals.
Back to the lawn and the sweltering heat. Speaking of sweltering heat, we Canadians must bring the heat to bear on the Liberals, the media et al.
After all, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 3:36 PMLet's be realistic about what we're dealing with here.
You wnat to be careful when you talk of suing. The judiciary is a branch of the Liberal Party. Hell, in the western provinces, the judiciary is the Liberal Party, there isn't anybody else. Of course Tim Murphy is suing his tormentors. He knows he has no case against them , and he knows he doesn't need one. All he has to do is get them in front of a Liberal judge and watch the carnage.
So don't imagine for an instant that for Grewal to sue would do anything more than put him at the mercy of the Liberal party. Which will show him no mercy. If there's one thing they really hate, it's coloured people who get uppity. The way they see it, they let his black ass into the country, they own it, and he'd damn well better be taught that fact by the most painful means available.
It's true that the discovery process might allow some facts to be obtained, but since the Liberals can ignore the rules and their pet judges will back them up, I don't know that much will be gained. Since he'd be crucified if he got to court and if he refused to take it to court, on balance it's not a wise course.
Rather than sue Terry Milewski, why not encourage every Asian in the lower mainland to picket him? Put a thousand silent, dignified Asian immigrants around his house. Block his drive way. Make it impossible for him to go to work,or to buy groceries. Until he admits to and apologises for, in public and on the national airwaves, his vicious and dishonest attack on an honest Canadian Asian that he made in public on those same airwaves. Don't beg his Liberal friends to find him guilty. We know he's guilty. Let's tell him, and the world, exactly that in no uncertain terms.
And if we're not prepared to take steps like that, then we're conceding the fight to the enemy.
Posted by: ebt at July 16, 2005 3:59 PMI know a number of Conservative lawyers in Alberta and BC. I know a number of old Social Credit lawyers in both provinces as well. But I don't know any Conservative or Social Credit judges.
I agree with ebt though. This is what makes me sick about Canada right now. Even though we think there is a case here we feel compelled to point out that the Liberals virtually own the legal profession in this country. It doesn't matter now many Conservative lawyers you have, if all the judges are Liberal it will be like pulling your own teeth getting something like this through the courts and win.
Even so, if I were a young and agressive Conservative lawyer I might be willing to get some ink taking on a case like this. If nothing else it would get my name out there, and my rates would go up proportionately. Take a cue from American lawyers. They get on TV and in the MSM even when they lose. And the MSM in the US is just as liberal as in Canada.
All this is just my opinion though. (disclaimer)
Posted by: John Crittenden at July 16, 2005 4:38 PMWhoever cashed the cheque showed the teller 'D/L 22927'. Should be easy to trace that driver's licence number.
Posted by: fred Z at July 16, 2005 4:49 PMHmmm... just read ebt and John's posts re the usefulness of suing Liberals and their allies like Milewski as long as judges are at least predominantly Liberal. I see I'm not the only one who sees this fact and suspects the honor and impartiality of the judiciary. I also suspect the Bar, by the way...
John's suggestion that non-Liberal lawyers should pursue the Libs and their allies anyway and get coverage by the MSM is a good one. The MSM, I believe, couldn't resist putting up some stuff about such cases, especially if controversial and adversarial enough. The MSM is, of course, there to make money, and if putting juicy stuff on the front page with a big headline helps sell papers, then they will do so, to hell with the Liberals, at least for a while. Money is, after all, more powerful to these people than loyalty...
So suing-- even if the judges may choose to do the wrong thing, to make the people, the electors, aware and understand more and more about the corruption and perhaps criminality of the gov't-- is one thing that can be done to help take back the country, which after all, belongs to us, the people.
I still see no coverage in the MSM re the letter to Milewski. Only NealeNews.com I found to say anything. Wonder if Milewski is aware what many people are saying about him, and if so, does he care?
If the MSM continues to ignore this and so many other very critical issues that Canadians need to understand, then they'll eventually find themselves being pretty much bypassed in favor of the blogosphere. Of interest to the MSM is ad revenue... so they're going to see less of it in the future, as it will go towards the medium more and more people will come to trust for relevant, critical information. The blogosphere will grow and evolve and someday diversify and become the new MSM, complete with newspapers, tv news networks, etc. I see it coming, eventually.
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 5:26 PMI am with you John Crittenden. I just wrote out a check to the CPC and told them if they didn't start proceedings against the CBC - Liberal Party and Terry Milewski it would be the last check they received from me. I worked for the Reform Party, Alliance and the CPC's, but I will wait and see if they are wimps about this. I told them Harper doesn't need a makeover, what he needs is to fight for the renewal of our rights and to stand by his caucus. Told them if things do not change soon not to bother me with a phone call the only thing they will receive is a piece of my mind. We can't have a bunch of spineless whimps leading our country. It is just too important.
Posted by: jypsy ontario at July 16, 2005 5:46 PMVery nice work, Rob. See the followup.
Posted by: Kate at July 16, 2005 6:09 PMMartin, Dhaliwal, Dosanjh & more:
Dhaliwal cleaned up on the cleaning contracts at Canadian airports! Security, anyone? Grewal at an airport in Vancouver? On tape is Dosanjh & Grewal & Murphy, yes? Much more to come? This is why the Librano$ want Grewal dispatched to purgatory: much corruption below the surface. Keep digging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
His story is not the only one. Even Ujjal Dossanjh, Canada's Federal Health Minister (the highest profile Cabinent Ministry in the Canadian Government) came here as a 17 year old from India. Worked hard in Lumber Mills doing labour work. Then paid his way through all by himself and completed a Law degree. Became a prominant lawyer. If you're from Vancouver you'll know where Hastings street is. That's where Khalistanis beat up Ujjal Dossanjh nearly 21 years ago after he came on TV and said some statements against Khalistan. Even a Vancouver based Punjabi singer had a song in which the lines were something to the effect of "Hastings vich Dossanjh Kuttiya". Despite all that this guy went on to become an MLA in the early 1990s. Then he became BC's Attorney-General for 5-6 years then made history by becoming the first non-white and first Sikh Premier by becoming Premier of BC. After losing his re-election bid he started his own law firm. This past June he ran in Herb Dhaliwal's old riding, a mostly white area and became and MP and was promoted to Federal Health Minister.
Herb Dhaliwal's story is one that is even more against the odds. Until he resigned last year after having spent 6-7 years in Federal Cabinent he was the second richest MP in Canadian Parliament, second only to Billionaire and now PM Paul Martin. He came to Canada as a youngster, went to University and today has an business empire which owns cleanup contracts to all major Canadian Airports. That's why you see Elderly Punjabis at airports doing cleanup. Herb Dhaliwal is giving them something to do. He owns other types of businesses too.
http://www.rapp.org/url/?168PWGUG
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dhaliwal "owns other types of businesses too." Such as?????????
Posted by: maz2 at July 16, 2005 6:12 PMLaunching a lawsuit is not something one does lightly. In addition to money and time it takes a lot of research and even more patience. Let's look at what the CPC and then independent lawyers would gain from a lawsuit in this case.
The CPC would gain respect for standing up for themselves. Everyone loves a fighter. It's time for the CPC to show Canadians that they are not only prepared to lead but also to get in the ring if necessary and that they know how to handle themselves when they do. They would be seen as the hurt party and reacting to unethical and perhaps illegal actions by the Liberals. Like I say, everyone loves a fighter.
Independent lawyers, on the other hand, would have more to gain than just winning. In fact they could win even if they lose. If they handled a case that was seen as being in the interests of Canada they would not only get exposure for themselves and their firm but also be seen as doing the right thing. In any case they could get a lot of publicity of the kind that is very hard, if not impossible, to buy.
Posted by: John Crittenden at July 16, 2005 6:50 PMI was a bank employee many moons ago so perhaps things have change BUT usually a cheque of $1,000 would have required an initial from a supervisor, the senior admin person available. This may have changed or may be allowed at KCU as standard procedure....or perhps not.
You are correct that if a cheque is drawn on another branch then it still goes through encoding....so it can go through the clearing system.
No encoding means it never went through the clearing system.
Usually an amount like that you write the account number that it went into on the back of the cheque OR if went as cash you would make notes on the back that it went to cash and how much, good telers even write the breakdown on the back to help them track out of balance situations from their till...that may be why the drivers license number is one the back to provide the identity....but no mention of cash amounts or a deposit account.
So summary
1) No notes on where the funds went
2) No list of cash amounts
3) No micr encoding for the amount so it didnt go through the clearing system, interbranch cheques go through clearing systems, especially for that amount.
4) No supervisor initials, although limits might be higher now
Seems odd. Couldnt Terry M have done this footwork, unless he had a preconceived notion of the narrative.
Posted by: Stephen at July 16, 2005 7:17 PMPeter,
Gerwal's links to brutal dictator....do they bother me? As it relates to this story, or the story of the tapes absolutely not.
Would it bother me if he was sitting on the UN comittee of human rights, like Syria and Libya are, then I might spend a few brain cycles thinking about it.
Posted by: Stephen, not stephen macallister at July 16, 2005 7:22 PMA hit piece scripted by the Librano$$$$$$$$.
The sub-text: Get the Grewals; silence the Grewals.
There is much in this business yet to come out. The Librano$ are scared -----------s.
http://www.voiceonline.com/voice/050611/headline2.php
GREWAL CONTROVERSY
Gurmant and Nina Grewal should JUST GO AWAY!
By RATTAN MALL
What's wrong with this picture?
A man who craved publicity so desperately all the time was actually RUNNING AWAY from TV cameras and reporters at Vancouver International Airport on Wednesday night!
This was the same man who claimed he was always being offered cabinet and other top posts, but principles were always holding him back from accepting those bribes.
Now a very different picture seems to be emerging and Gurmant Grewal seems pretty reluctant to get out there and face the music.
Oh no, the poor baby is all stressed out - he's actually taken stress leave - and his MP wife Nina, who kept her mouth so tightly shut all this time, now claims she knew NOTHING about what her beloved husband was doing - the same man who manipulated the Fleetwood-Port Kells riding nomination for her!
.......... more at above link
I think Rattan Mall must be a Liberal. Sure sounds like one, doesn't he?
By the way, where's Peter? Is he afraid of the Stephens?
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 8:16 PMAnyone remember three years ago, when Hockey Night in Canada "Coach's Corner" co-host Ron McLean announced he was quitting HNIC due to bad contract negotiations with the CBC?
Hockey fans across Canada mobilized into a staggeringly loud campaign of telephone calls and letter writing to the CBC, to MPs, and (most importantly) HNIC's ADVERTISERS. After just a few short days under pressure from advertisers, CBC re-opened its negotiations with McLean and reinstate him to "Coach's Corner".
Would there be even a fraction as many Canadians who would bring pressure to bear on CBC's advertisers regarding shoddy CBC/Milewski hatchet job on Mr. Grewahl? I wouldn't hold my breath....
Posted by: SpaceNeedleBoy at July 16, 2005 8:49 PMI think Don Cerry had something to do with reinstating Ron McLean with Hockey Night in Canada. Maybe that's what the CPC needs right now though. Anyone know if Don Cherry has any free time these days? When does NHL hockey start?
I'd love to see Don Cherry in Question Period. It would never be the same.
Posted by: John Crittenden at July 16, 2005 9:01 PMAh, the guy from Seattle brings up a good idea: go after the CBC's advertisers. Threaten to boycott them over Milewskigate.
I recall a threatened boycott of advertisers on the Chris Carter series, "Millenium" years ago over some supposedly too-scary stuff on the show. It worked and the producers toned down the scary stuff. Maybe we can get the CBC to tone down THEIR scary stuff?
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 9:19 PMJohn, I personally would like to see Don Cherry rip into Ken Dryden! Politics Night in Canada! That's entertainment!
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 16, 2005 9:22 PMHadn't thought of that. Don Cherry ripping into Ken Dryden. What a scary thought, for Dryden that is. He didn't last long in the NHL. I bet when Cherry got done with him he'd quit politics too.
Posted by: John Crittenden at July 16, 2005 11:56 PMWhen will the competent investigating authority be willing to level charges against the PMO?
Posted by: Dave at July 17, 2005 3:51 AMDave, I wonder just WHO is a "competent investigating authority". I have no fecking inkling whatsoever. The RCMP? Never!
Who can charge the PMO?
Is there any such check/balance mechanism in Canada at all?
Can anyone out there answer this question? Who precisely, if anyone, can prosecute a Canadian federal government's crimes?
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 9:47 AMKate: This Grewal witch hunt-CBC "Rathergate" would be a natural for the Peter Warren show this weekend....if you want to run to him with it we will certainly phone in and back you up. What say Kayte...from Blogespere to alternate private radio (who have no great love for competing with tax subsidized CBC news mediocrity).
Warren will break this open if there is anything to it and the MSM won't run with it.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at July 17, 2005 12:16 PMTo the Stephens and the rest of the ALL CAPS crowd, my last name is Loewen.
It was fairly well-publicized around the time of the tape releases that Grewal had, upon first coming to Canada, made something of his ties to the former dictator of Liberia. What this has to do with Chretien and Martin's playing of ethnic politics is pretty immaterial. If your only defense is that they have ties to dictators as well, then you've sunk pretty low.
In sum, I find Grewal distasteful, and I wish he were not in the Conservative caucus.
Posted by: Peter at July 17, 2005 5:13 PMThe problem with this is not so much the Grewals, its the headlong rush to crucify them, which we know is really only a successful attempt to deflect away from the true issue of our health minister's involvement, and the bribery issue. I wish Harper had handled it differently, he should have had Grewal step aside until cleared by an enquiry. That way we could be moving on to important issues. Martin has allready moved on from Gomery, the public has forgotten about it allready.
Posted by: inkydink at July 17, 2005 7:20 PMPeter Loewen, thank you for fully identifying yourself. That earns you a good deal of respect.
I see your argument. But I ask just why are any ties, if so, to any former Liberian leader, relevant as to whether Mr. Grewal did or didn't do anything wrong?
Mr. Grewal is entitled as much as you and I to the presumption of innocence unless PROVEN guilty.
There has been NO PROOF of guilt. Media- and Liberal-paid "experts" casting opinionated aspersions does not count as proof, plus the Conservatives brought forward another "expert" to say the complete opposite as the others. Besides, the reasonable person will see the potential value of the damning-to-the-Liberal Party tapes insofar as ending their long reign. The question is, therefore, will the RCMP do the right thing and determine with sound science and scrupulous impartiality whether the tapes are the real thing? And will they do it at a reasonably quick rate considering the extreme importance of said tapes? Why would they instead investigate the man himself who voluntarily and trustingly provided them with the evidence so they could do their job? Plus, why have Canadians heard nothing to make them believe the RCMP is doing anything at all wrt their job? Is the RCMP protecting the Liberal Party? Will the RCMP dither and flat-out refuse to do their job at least until the Liberals may or may not win the next election?
You also asked what these supposed ties have to with PM and JC playing ethnic politics. That's not what I previously pointed out. I pointed out that they, too, have in the past had ties to dictators or other bad guys: JC to Suharto, for eg. and PM to the LTTE terrorist group of Sri Lanka. My point is that if GG had anything to do in the past, if true, with a Liberian leader of questionable character, and if that's bad, then it's also equally bad wrt JC and PM's association with the baddies I identified. Therefore, one cancels out the other, otherwise, if you can believe it means Grewal should be... whatever you think, then the same thing must necessarily also apply to JC and PM. Don't you agree?
Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 17, 2005 9:02 PMI've allready written to the CBC and the ombusman, so far no reply. If we inundate them we may get some action. So far no apology from the CBC and the lefties are now saying the EDA fixed the cheques, they manipulated the scans yadda yadda. Have to give the lefties credit for being masters of smear and innuendo.
Posted by: inkydink at July 18, 2005 8:02 AM