Maybe it's a Revolution that's needed.

BOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!

I want to Vote, and I want to vote NOW DAMIT!!!

Most Banadians, that most be only in the GTA. Hey media... Wake Up.... there are other people living in this corrupted dictatorship.

We had been speculating on this in our circles back when the talking point of "no one wants an election" was first out there. This also explains why the dippers were so keen to stave off an election.

Interestingly, and on a related note, a while back we received a Liberal propaganda letter in a parliamentary envelope and with parliamentary postage from Hedy Fry. Now, we are not in Ms. Fry's riding. A friend of mine also received the same letter from Mr Raymond Chan and my friend is not in his riding either. So I have to ask...what the hell are Liberal MPs doing sending propaganda designed for their own constituents to just anybody?

Agreat use of taxpayers money; a great way for the Lieberals to save; and yet another example of how the Liberals run this country...I wonder how many of these went out.

Remember, for all practical purposes, the Libs and Dippers are one and the same, so you should add their totals together:

     Conservatives: $10.90 Million
     New Libocrats: $10.39 Million

If you add in the Bloc, you get:

     Bloc Libocratique: $11.29 Million

Taadaa!  Look for the Libs and Dips to "pool" their advertising messages into one great fat wad of hatred and prejudice towards the CPC and the West (in particular, Alberta...).

You criticize the Media for saying polls show most Canadians don't want an election right now, yet offer nothing that actually refutes this. The only thing you mention is a report (ironically from the CBC) thats shows conservatives are getting more money.

I hate to break it to you but elections are not based solely on campaign fundrasing performance if they were the conservatives would have won at the last two elections.

Happy - I think what you are referring to is a 10%er. Each MP is allocated so many and can give them up to the party to be used wherever they wish. It's common practice among all the parties.

Which should cause a person to wonder, shouldn't it? Why in the world are the Liberals able to afford the same type of flashy campaigns as the Conservatives when they only raise half as much.

Hmmm...

Oh yeah. That's right they stole money from taxpayers (that's us!) and then had ad agencies kick it back to them so they wouldn't have to claim it. Oh right. I remember now.

Maybe there should be a disclaimer on those numbers. Something like...

Please note: These numbers are as accurate as current ethics will allow. They do not include paper bags of cash left in Italian restaurants.

Oh and those polls claiming that Canadians don't want an election ask the wrong question. The question should be: Would you walk uphill both ways barefoot through a snow storm to vote the Liberals out of power?

Then see how many respond: DAMN STRAIGHT!

40 percent of Canadians don't vote.
25% of Canadians polled say they would vote Liberal - a figure that holds steady no matter how bad the corruption, how blatant the lies - because a very large number of those collect a civil service pay cheque.

Now, add those two figures and subtract from 100 - and what do you get?

"The majority of Canadians polled don''t want an election".

Exactly, Kate, and reporting the numbers of the intentionally self-disenfranchised certainly is NOT a criticism of _media_.

I dont really know what your getting at spooky. You think more people would say yes to your snowstorm question then to just a normal election? Or are you proposing some sort of litmus test where the only opinions that matter are from those people who really dislike the liberals? I've still seen nothing that demonstates any supposed media bias with the original poll which asks the proper(though obviously not loaded enough for you) question, do you want an election?

I have never voted for the liberal party and I do not intend to this next election but that does not mean I suffer the same tunnel vision you guys do when it comes to the opinions of the majority of Candians beyond the core conservatives.

The AdScam Martin regime, as pointed out above, is in essence a Socialist regime. The deep pockets of the NDP/CAW/Buzz Hargrove unionistas will ante up; in addition, AdScam Martin has mucho many IOU's in his pockets.
The deep donors will also kick cash into the coffers of the Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$ at the crucial moments;the deep donors are the taxpayers of Zanada; Remember AdScam? Brown envelopes? Made men? Ad Sponsorships? Remember the total was $350 million unaccounted for.
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Ya know, I'm sitting here reading all this, and wondering what the hell we're being Canadian for. The only true result is frustration, economic hardship by never allowing you to advance your position if your middle class, absolutely nothing to be patriotic about, more freedoms being lost every day. It brings up the question, why the hell am I here, and the only answer that comes to mind is to fight the impending fight so someone can have a better future I guess.

Damn this place is sick....

Memewarrior - you ask anyone the question "do you want an election?" the answer will always be know.

If they were to ask "Would you be willing to go to an election to change the existing government?", the results would be totally different.

Based on the question you pose, there will always be an excuse to say no, as canadians are to complacent and bloody lazy.

Do you have any reason to believe a poll of registered voters or people who voted in the last election would be statistically different. Also where do you suggest the media bias is entering in in this equation? Did they deliberatly not poll real voters? Is this not the way polls are regularly conducted?

"will always be know." should be "will always be no" - preview is your friend - damit.

Memewarrior - your kidding right?

Who the hell do you think feeds the media the most contracts, has plants in the offices ensuring conformity, and who do you think the largest poll company in Canada?

We've been through this here before, and it's been proven. Search the archives.

Memewarrior is right that elections are not strictly won or lost based on campaign fundraising performance, but the Conservatives are going to need a lot of money just to level the playing field. The Liberals have got their own television and radio network, paid for by taxpayers, which promotes them coast-to-coast while denigrating the Conservatives. And they can use money from general revenue, much of it from conservative power-bases like Alberta, to bribe their way into power in the Maritimes, Ontario and Quebec.

When Scarborough MP Jim Karygiannis says that he will be knocking on doors this summer to say "Hi, here's a business card. If you need anything, let me know" I don't think he's talking about a ride to the mall.

Memwarrior - there are much simpler ways than that...polls can be done during specific parts of the day, specific areas codes, and so forth. If, as an example, you were doing a poll asking peoples' opinions on daycare for example and you called homes during the day, I am sure you would get much different results (probably favorable)than if the poll were carried out in the evening. I am sure those would argue my point is moot but it is statistically signficant.

Your second poll question is more loaded so I dont see how the media asking the simpler question somehow demonstrates bias. I kinda doubt the answer would be really different, if you really think such a poll would work why not phone up the Fraser institute and ask them to conduct it. Although I'm fairly certain their clever enough to realize what the reslts would be and not waste money on it.

As to your bitter hate Canada rant Rob , I can only hope you realize that such self-pitying acrimony asccomplishes nothing. I have cast six ballots since turning 18, each one for a candidate that lost, but that does not make me hate my counry or so arrogant that I think those that voted a different way could not have done so for legitiamate reasons.

More Zanadian crap:
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Quebec asks Supreme Court for 18-month delay in health-care ruling
CBC News - 3 hours ago
The government of Quebec has asked the Supreme Court of Canada for an 18-month stay of its judgment striking down a ban on private medical insurance. Quebec said in a brief presented to the top court on Monday ...
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
(Sorry, Rob, for piling on. Sick, sick, sick, Zanada.)

Rob - I hope the arguments you suppose exist in the archive are better then the one presented in this entry. Do you perhaps know the names of one of these government plants that are hiding behind potted plants at the CBC building?

You do realize conspiracy theories aren't the same as proof right?

Happy - I realize that polling is a complex issue and that there are any of a number of ways to fix a poll. I was just asking for the proof that an actual poll on this issue as reported in the media was somehow biased. People here seem to be taking a serious claim of bias on the assumption it must be true because they and their friends really want an election.

Memewarrior - you have your opinion, and that's fine, but some of us have cast a hell of a lot more then six votes, and have been through a lot, depending on your region. We have also made every attempt to appease the rest of this country, only to be slapped in the face continually. I don't judge your motives, don't judge mine.

If you like it the way it is, be happy and move on, but for a lot of us here, it's been exponentially getting worse over the years, and at some point, if you actually believe in conservatism and smaller government, you have to say enough is enough.

memewarrior - you want an example of bias, here:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/media041905.htm

Rob- actually if you are committed to democracy you accept the vote and move on.

If you've been around so long then you realize you have had a crack at forming the government before. I'm not suggesting you stop working for change I'm saying blaming your countrymen for their voting behavior only feeds a vicous cycle which will continue to keep you out of power and make you more bitter.

The only fair poll would count only those who voted in the last election. When almost half of eligable voters don't vote, why should their opinion on whether or not they want an election count for anything? The "majority of people polled" is not the same as "the majority of voters".

No No No - No more erection. I don wan no more screwed from riberal plicks!!!

Memewarrior - if you examine the current political structure in this country, you'll find that's where the problem lies. There is no regional equality, which means it's a never ending cycle. All control is held and maintained in the center, with no options available to the regions for balance. That is the underlying frustration. The provinces, as well, should be able to opt out of federal policies that they don't agree with.

So basically, decentralize, or face an ever increasing frustration level.

The article you posted had some potentially valid criticisms of some polls conducted by the CBC. That said on the issue of the desirability of an election it was silent and i still ahve seen no evidence to doubt the original poll in this regard. The article however hardly demonstates that the CBC or anyone else in the media is biased towards the liberals though, did the CBC even frame the questions to be used. The only thing i take from the article is that all polls are inherently sketchy, but a healthy dose of common sense should ahve taught you this.

Memewarrior - you are a shit stirrer and you know it. Polls are nothing more than manipulated answers from barking seals in specific postal codes, at the optimum time of day. (Most of the seals dwell in Upper and Eastern Canada.)

But a poll question: when did you stop screwing your mother? Huh?

Rob I don't know how to break this to you but we live in one of the most decentralized countries on the planet (at least as far as the primary secondary levels go). Do you really think individual states or regions in the US have as much autonomy as the provinces here? Basically what your advocating is seperatism. Which is not favoured by a majority in any province, certainly not Alberta, nor as fas as i know is your opt out scheme part of the conservative party's platform. I can hardly imagine they;d implement it if they got elected.

Who Flung Dung - had you bothered to read my posts instead of concentrating on lowering the level of debate you'd have found I just said "all polls are inherently sketchy."

Memewarrior- now we see your true colors and why your here "we live in one of the most decentralized". Your just trying to stir up shit. Your just another sludge sucking moonbat if you believe that statement.

i had 4 links proving media bias, but since CBC is your hero, go get your answers from them. The reason your candidate probably lost all those times is because you were voting for Librano/NDP.

So basically stick it memewarrior, your not worth the effort.

Rob - I came here because I read the article and asked for more information on where this allegation of bias was coming from. I dont see how my world book encylopedia diagnosis of the political structure of Canada shows my "true colours" I wasn't aware their was a loyalty test before one could post here.

You have only posted 1 link by my count which I agreed had valid (if slightly off topic) points.

Memewarrior!!?? you neglected to address the poll question!! Do we take it that maybe the poll is flawed, or maybe you just chose to not answer tonight?

And as for you statement that we live in the most decenteralized contries on the planet - just where do you live anyway? North Dakota?

In Kanardar with the over regulated, over controlled citizenry having to put their hands up to get basic medical care - what do you mean decenteralized? Damn right we are thinking separation!!! We have had enough overbearing centralized interferance for a lifetime.

Sklew you sociarists!!!

Ahh i see I've been feeding the troll this whole time. Well Who Flung/rob I think its apparent why you've found politics so trying maybe when you get to high school you'll be ready to talk to grown ups.

Well sorryyyyyy for being so presumptuous - maybe one day I will make it to high school and presume to have suitable presence to associate with the high and mighty self opinionated parasitical liberal/socialist oligarchy.

But humour me white boy – when you step out of your-self induced excited wet spot tell me I count in this grand plan you have for we poor un-edumacated western rubes.

One Bung Lung, brother of Who.

Good comeback Memewarrior, shows your level of maturity, but you've provided evidence, that no matter what is said you will dispute it. You need evidence? seek and ye shall find. We are not your lapdogs and have been through this enough to know arguing with you is poinytess. We have no intention of proving anything to you, you have to prove it to your self before you'll accept it.

Your comment about centarlization was enough to trigger a response as to your stand on the issues. Deal with it, and learn like the rest of us, or move on.

Do you perhaps know the names of one of these government plants that are hiding behind potted plants at the CBC building? Rick Mercer perhaps?

Also where do you suggest the media bias is entering in in this equation? Stephen Harper gets poll-axed
http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Goldstein_Lorrie/2005/07/03/1115552.html
"Of course, this one poll (Decima) received massive media play because it fit the media's pre-conceptions of what should be happening. But why so little reporting of any of the extensive Ipsos-Reid data I'm citing? And do you even have to ask?"

have another puff and the sip of bear and spit on government and let's seperate from the farm.
Some pigs are more equal!

Liberals & NDP'ers don't want an election. The other half of the 60% who bothered to vote last time are probably biting their nails in anticipation.
Here's how it looks here on PEI, even though a Liberal member of the PEI Legislature who's name rhymes with "Bonnie" thinks it'll be three lost deposits for Conservatives:

http://kinnyscomments.blogspot.com/

Thanks Kate.
"40 percent of Canadians don't vote. 25% of Canadians polled say they would vote Liberal"

Let me get my calculator. uhmmm...

75% of the 60% of the people who vote, won't vote for the Liberals plus the 40% that don't note =
Tomorrows headline for the Star, CBC and the G&M

"70% of eligible Canadians Refuse to Vote for the Liberals!"

" if you are committed to democracy you accept the vote and move on."

Sounds familiar. Have I heard that somewhere else? Robert Mugabe? Fidel? Saddam Hussein?

"70% of eligible Canadians Refuse to Vote for the Liberals!"
Ooops.

It should be
"85% of eligible Canadians Refuse to Vote for the Liberals!"

The point, "Meme", isn't so much that poll results are skewed - but that reporting that Canadians "don't want an election" serves Liberal interests.

The fact that the question was asked at all is the point. Since when did it matter whether or not the electorate wanted an election? It mattered when it became clear that the Liberals wouldn't win an majority, and could easily lose the minority they had if one were forced on them by the opposition, outside their own timetable.

Iraqis walked through bombs & bullets to vote for their government, but we won't walk through sunshine and green grass?

This entire "don't want an election" bit shames us all, and if our MSM had any self-respect it would've called us out on it as a grotesque dereliction of our democratic duty. But no, it just pushed the line to serve their Liberal masters. Sick. Just sick. Like everything else that's happened at the federal level since April.

Another example of media bias:

How many of you know Stephen Harper had 2 members of his communications team recently resign. Probably most of you, since it was plastered as a leading headline in CP and most dailies.

Now how many of you know that Paul Martin just lost 2 members of his communications team? Hint: You'll find it today in the Ottawa Citizen...if you look very closely at an almost unrelated story.

Why is it more newsworthy when Stephen Harper's advisors resign than when Paul Martin's do?

CBC bias can be related to the $10 billion dollars they have recieved from the Grits since 1993. That kind of money buys a lot of loyalty and puts them in a conflict of interest. Any poll that they are involved in is in essence a Grit poll. A point of interest is that just after the 2000 election the Grits gave the CBC a "Bonus" of $1oo million. They also gave the rest of the media about $63 million. One can easily say that this money was for services rendered. This may not be rocket science, but then again maybe it is. Connecting dots is so hard for some.

PMPM, the Liberanos and the Whack Jacko Dippers just 'won' 4.5 billion in a budget vote last month. Who needs to 'raise' money, just vote for it!! What better cause for the 'discretion' of the cabinate than to keep hated Harper and the truth seeking Conservatives out of office??
What A PM!! What a "cause"!! If you can't steal it, graft it. Am I the oly person who saw something else in the new (Jack and buzzzz saw paule) finance minister's 'budget'? There was NOTHING in it!! If anyone thinks that it was not a 'budget of convience' then they are more daft than the 'rulers' ever dreamed the people could be, even in their wildest hallucinations.
"Canadains didn't want an election", because the MAIN budget wasn't passed yet!!! (C48) They(the left wing whackos; ND, Unions, Liberanos, MSM, bureaucrates, special intrest groups, multi billionares who dream of world poverty for all except themselves....) circled the wagans and won the day. Taxpayers lost for the upteenth time.

We are a democracy but we don't want an election!
Right, we would rather have the Chinese communists come and set up shop; so we won't have to have one of those nasty elections. That would cause the plebians to actually think about issues; when we would rather have everything spoonfed to us by the MSM.

Elections are bad for you, unless the Liberals say the timing is right for them. Please spare me the outright twaddle. Cost of an election approximately $300 million. Cost of Paul Martin's most recent raft of promises: $29 billion. Loss of democracy: Priceless.

Memewarrior asked:

"Do you really think individual states or regions in the US have as much autonomy as the provinces here?"

As an American attorney who's worked for a state legislature in the US, and who's also spent time in Canada in part to study its legal system, I think I can pretty safely say the answer to that is a resounding "yes."

'Rob- actually if you are committed to democracy you accept the vote and move on.'

Move on - to where? To what? What kind of 'moving' is possible? We're trapped. We're an animal caught in a leghold trap - we can't move, nothing can change, because that's the way the Liberals have built this machine. We're just waiting for our country to die. I think by 'move on' you just mean 'give in'. And maybe also 'compromise' - it would be so much more convenient if everyone would just allow himself to bought by the Liberals, so nobody at all could ever complain or oppose the government. I know of another government in another country that became powerful by involving and compromising big swathes of the business elite and the populace, and suppressing and persecuting those that wouldn't play ball, but comparisons to Germany in the 1930s are considered inflammatory.

P.S.: That government was elected too, until the people there also decided that they didn't want any more elections.

Wanda, I see that you understand the situation.

Yes, the Libs have us trapped for the time being. The choice seems to be to either accept an offer of morphine if we'll just stay right here with the fecking beartrap dug firmly into our leg or to remove the trap however we can and make the difficult trek towards help so we can save ourselves from a long, slow, pitiful end...

We can either choose to take charge the hard way or surrender to the forces of darkness... (with apologies to CBC's Terry Milewski of APEC'97 fame) ;-)

Memewarrior asked:

"Do you really think individual states or regions in the US have as much autonomy as the provinces here?"

Dave J says, resoundingly, yes. Also the individual states must sink or swim by the efficacy of their own policies -- there is no big equalization teat to succor stupid policies. Sure, there's all kinds of pork barrelling with federal money, but it's nothing compared to the awesome power to bribe of our equalization formula. If we were honest, we'd say that equalization is the basis of "our Canadian identity." Because that's what makes medicare, bilingualism, and multiculturalism possible.