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Tracked on June 5, 2005 7:23 AM

Very interesting... Duceppe could really be a catalyst that could ignite the whole province.... If it transpires this could be a blow torch under the librano$ feet..

Also Ted Morton(Alberta MP) has responded, and this may be good news for Quebec if it's the direction there headed:

"If this is all Alberta has to show for three decades of championing provincial equality, it is hardly surprising that Alberta Premier Ralph Klein has left the door open to Quebec’s new initiative on asymmetrical federalism. If asymmetry turns out to mean only sweetheart side-deals for Quebec, then this door will soon be slammed shut. But if the principle of asymmetry can be developed in a manner that means a more flexible, less centralized form of federalism for all provinces, then Alberta may well become an important ally for Quebec, and vice-versa. "

Problem is, every one here is ready to get radical, and if the PC's don't replace Klein with someone with a backbone, it could mean rough roads ahead for them. it's gonna be a fun year.

Out of idle curiosity, what would Duceppe' indexed pension(s)and benefits package be- for the rest of his life? And- who pays for it?

Out of idle curiosity: what would Douceppe's indexed pension(s) and benefits for life, be? And: who PAYS for it?

Personally, I don't care if he gets a pension for life. Duceppe was elected by the people who pay the taxes in his riding.

At least he didn't steal their money to fund his campaign.

So long as Jean Chretien and friends are entitled to theirs, then nobody should criticize a single BQ member for expecting theirs.

I stand corrected-thanks, Kate

As I commented over at Lunchpale, I'd heard over at CQ that Duceppe's plans (pure heresay) were to run & win another fed election (obviously more seats in PQ since the Bloc can't actually "win" a federal election), and then resign to run for the leadership of PQ.

This puts a very interesting spin on things. If that commenter (Wedgie, for those who visit CQ) is right, we should see some serious pushing from the BQ for an election...NOW as opposed to later. Since the PQ will put an interim leader in place (who can remain there for quite some time, I suspect), there is still a window if Wedgie is right.

Very very interesting.

Morton's jump into the fray is equally interesting.

And I used to think politics was boring. HA!

How will Duceppe time his switch to Quebec politics and the PQ? If he leaves his federal seat before an election, there'll be no by-election until Martin is forced kicking and screaming to call it. If he leaves when an election is called, the BQ goes into the election leaderless. That might not matter strategically if your grand vision says federal politics is coming to an end with separation, but the optics on that might not look too good if you want to convince Quebec voters that the new deal involves close association with the ROC.

So, leaving after a federal election is the best choice for Duceppe and the BQ. Which means he needs a federal election now. Maybe he could raid the Quebec federal Liberals in Parliament and offer a couple of them a Quebec cabinet post - instead of life as a back-bencher under Martin.

And here I thought Monty Hall and Lets make a deal was cancelled years ago.

I know Quebec is normally off the radar for you Westerners but I would have thought since your pact-with-the devil there would have been more than 8 comments in 12+ hours, particularly as there are
implications for Harper

Scott Reid were you trying to give us a link??

Scott, as one who grew up in as very francophone area, joined the forces, and was posted mostly in the West, I say good riddance to Quebec. Let them find out just how difficult it is to be an independent country.

I think that Duceppe as leader is Quebec's best hope for independence.

At least Duceppe is an honest man, unlike most of the librano cadre.

More is the pity over Canada that you and people like you can only see wrong in Harper's temporary alliance with Duceppe than the massive fraud and criminality of the ruling government. Time for a national reboot.

As to me, I retired from the forces and work in the US, but live in Toronto. I could just as easily live anywhere.

I noticed 'Scott Reid''s comments and have to say he really is a light weight. I have met many like him and they do really well against nice people because nice people seldom speak out of turn, it is not in their nature, but when people like Scott go up against someone who can talk and listen at the same time they crumble into powder.Why? Because con artists (and bullies ) need to build their fantasy world without interruption. By inserting words between their words their images disintgrate and people see their words for what they are. Nothing but the words of a con artist. In Scott's case not a very good one.

Points to ponder.... When they speak of the devil we know vs the devil we don't they are infact admitting that Mr. Martin is the devil and those who support him are devil worshipers. The devil we don't know is based on an assumption by the devil and his worshipers.

Gee boys and girls, which group do you wish to associate with? The Devil and his worshipers or those branded as such by those who by their own admission are devil worshipers? Thats got to hurt.

As for Mr. Harper and the word Scary, well that is just as easily blown assunder.... check out Mr. Brison during question period.

"Scott" - Quebec is very much on the radar in the west. The provinces aspirations for sovereignty have a good deal of sympathy - and it's growing.

Not because Westerners _want_ a break up of Canada, but because "Canada" - meaning urban Ontario - is pushing us out, and we can finally empathize with them, albeit from a different perspective.

I'm not sure why the movement in Quebec, and to a certain degree Ontario, isn't larger, or why there isn't riots in the streets. There province, basically, has been taken over by a mob. Especially when you read stuff like David Hawkins is has found about hidden foundations. The Librano mob is just bleeding money from every possible source, and there is still people that support it. Obviously, the supporters of this group lack the intelligence to look at the situation realistically and have become slaves to the system. Here is a sample of what Hawkins has found, and the people supporting the Libranos, are supporting this as well:

"My founding organization of forensic economists, Hawks' CAFE believes that Paul Desmarais offered kickbacks to Liberal insiders to drive a twin reverse-takeover project in 1968 when this "savvy Sudbury law-school dropout" captured control of Power Corp of Montreal. Power Corp's kickbacks to insiders, including Paul Martin, Belinda Stronach and principals of UN Oil-for-Food banks, BNP Paribas and JP Morgan, now appear to drive syndicated frauds on the government and citizens of Canada. We allege Power Corp kickbacks drove the Canadian Department of National Defence to share NORAD war-game data with al-Qaeda or Ba'ath Party intelligence services. We also believe kickbacks drove a 'dual-use' Canadian Prime Minister's Office ("PMO") to create off-book foundations for sharing money stolen and laundered through the $100 billion UN Oil-for-Food program. "

Were have we heard foundations before? Why are they hidden?
Come on Ontario and supporters of the Librano$, give your head a shake. If US Senate/Hawkins can prove the linkage to the transfer of intelligence, then what are you supporting? Isn't there enough evidence with all the scandals over the years to tell you that your being raped and mislead, driven into a dictatorial regime that only cares about power and itself?

Then you wonder why there are separatists movements. If that's your Canada, then you can have it. I want no part of that kind of country.

"Scott Reid":

Québec isn't on the West's radar?  Good God, man, what the Hell are you smoking?  Québec's aspirations to leave Canada are closely followed by those of us out West (particularly in Alberta) who are rapidly coming to the conclusion that the only hope for the disaffected regions is to leave the ROC (read: "primarily Anglo Canada east of the Manitoba-Ontario border").  Alberta separatists are acutely aware of the fortunes of Québec separatism, for those fortunes affect strategy elsewhere.

Elementary school children in Alberta know about le fwench separatiste.

MikeP
I think this is the link 'Scott Reid' intended

Kate
If that article in the Toronto Star typifies the way urban Ontario is feeling, I'm with you. It was totally over the top vicious

Garth,
Whatever Scott is smoking, he's sharing it with Kent

"By inserting words between their words their images disintgrate and people see their words for what they are"

?WTF

Thanks OTRBITW for the link. If you chase a link further from that blog it will bring you to this bile:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1117921814379&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

Maybe Mr Landry is heading for some of that comfy liberal fur?

Isn't that what Mr Jean Lapierre did after he left the BQ? Doesn't Scott know, or does he just not care, (or ,maybe he forgot?) that the Libs and the PQ are co-dependant- unlike the West, that doesn't need either one.

Scott Reid - THE Scott Reid - why, that name is now famous.

Are you the same Scott Reid who coaches Prime Minsiters, Cabinet Ministers and Liberals how to lie? Oh sorry, I mean to invent "plausible deniability". Wow - you all must be getting mighty dizzy from all that spinning.

Wow - you are going to go down in the history books for being one of the very best lie coachers and story spinners for the most corrupt government in Canadian history.

And to think you worked your way all the way up from being a pollster. Speaking of which....Polls don't lie to now do they?

A word of caution. None of us wants to see Kate or any other blogger sued. When we repeat statements like Hawkins makes, or make them ourselves, it might be a good idea to preface them with something like "In my opinion..." or "It looks to me like...". Just don't make a charge someone else might have to defend.

BTW, I agree with much of what Hawkins says. But that's just opinion of course.

Oops, sorry John, put in the quotes, stating it was a quote from a comment but forgot the link to that comment. Here is the link:
http://www.asianpacificpost.com/news/article/420.html

Thanks for the link rob. I've bookmarked it. Good article.

Two reasons for Landry backing out.

About 1000 days ago he promised to Liberate Quebec with the third referendum in a thousand days. Just a few days to go.

That's not possible now. Reasons listed by Barbara Kay at ProudToBeCanadian.

There may have been a little mad money from some Ottawa neighbourhood. Well I admit it's possible none went to Landry, but if he floats off to the Turks and Cacaos like other Adscam winners, I'll be suspicious.
73s TonyGuitar

Note the Scott Reid quotes and his website HappyDaze. I'm sure he'd take your commment on his ability as a compliment