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Hu Hu.

Martin is still denying it in QP.

I think he knows the media is in his corner, and is prepared to see just how far he can step over the lines of decency, integrity, honour, and even the law, before the electorate revolts.

Are we there yet???

Lets hear the whole 4 hours not just 8 select minutes. Even in these short excerpts there is no smoking gun. Much ado about nothing.

Did Harper approve of this entrapament? He has sunk very low if he did.

This isn't just the 8 minutes anymore...I'm not sure if its a full four hours, because I've only skimmed the transcripts and haven't actually downloaded the taped, which ARE posted on Grewal's website:
http://www.gurmantgrewal.ca/audio.asp

I doubt that Harper had prior knowledge to Grewal's actions, but even if he did: Who's more wrong, the cheater or the person who sets the cheater up?

AA, clearly you are in need of AA if you think the weight of evidence released today does not outline a "smoking gun". Martin is clearly implicated and I expect the actual recordings will back this up nicely.

And I don't believe Harper knew, but even if so, so what? Playing the "private dick" game to lay blatant government corruption bare, while a bit skeezy perhaps, is hardly anything to be too apologetic for in the current political environment. It hardly constitutes entrapment in any event, as the Libs made the overtures, not Grewal.

AA,

Ask yourself this . . .

It's 1991. The Tories, having fallen to 155 MPs, are getting extremely nervous. Suddenly, a Grit MP approaches them about crossing the floor, for a "compensation." Mulroney sends, Jean Charest to sit down with him and have a discussion. The MP tapes the convo, and releases it to the media.

Do you claim the Grit MP "entrapped" the government? Or is this just another example of Mulroney's corruption?

Well?

AA is surely just someone parodying a typical Liberal. "Much ado about nothing".

If the contents of these tapes are not the lead story tonight on the National, and if the implications of them do not dominate the entire broadcast, then there must be some behind-the-scenes "CBC tapes" somewhere.

This is the one that makes me want to vomit:

UD: Gradually, when you hold the roots, while you sacrifice, I’m sure rewards are there at some point, right. No one can forget such gestures but they require certain degree of deniability. A Big Laugh. Right, You understand this.

"A big laugh", he says (or else he had a big laugh -- either way, the point is the same). He's in the act of trying to buy off an opposition vote and it's all a big laugh to him.

Every time I think this can't go any lower, it does. The system seems rotten right to the core. The Liberals should be in single digits for this, wiped clean off the electoral map. UD and TM should be up on charges, and maybe GG and even PM himself. And if there's no popular will to do any of this, if we won't hold our elected officials to account for such egregious behaviour, we don't deserve to call ourselves a democracy any more.

Martin is trying to hide behind the media, but interestingly, only Bob Fife at CTV appears to be holding firm, saying that this is damning stuff. CBC is hedging its bets, of course. I hate to state the obvious, but surely if Grewal approached them, he wouldn't have wanted it caught on tape. I'm not sure whether the public cares about this, but let's hope that the Tories focus on integrity and not corruption. They might just have a chance of getting some attention if integrity and not just Gomery is the issue. If the PM sacks Murphy or Dosanjh, isn't that an admission that he too, is involved? Methinks this little gem has some legs.

If someone were videotaped robbing a bank, the last thing you would expect would be outrage at the guy with the camera. The Liberal defenders are becoming baldly pathetic. Their fingerpointing is risible.

This doesn't exactly fit here, but is another indication of Liberal shamelessness (and is also close to criminal misuse of state power--offering the lives of the military to buy a vote). With regard to the Kilgour vote-buying pseudo pledge of troops for Darfur, the following article by Nic Boisvert, who writes regularly for the Council for Canadian Security in the 21st Century (Jack Granatstein was the first Chair), is to the point:

"Politics By Other Means"
http://www.ccs21.org/articles/ 20...eans_june05.htm

Excerpts:

"Now just recently, the present prime minister announced the despatch of 60 unarmed support troops to the Darfur region of Sudan, one of the most dangerous places on earth, in a naked attempt to shore up his tenuous minority by garnering the vote of an Independent Member of Parliament for whom that region is a special concern...

...If the mission had led – as it predictably would – to the death or injury of even a single Canadian soldier, it could have provoked within the Canadian Forces a crisis of confidence in our political leadership with dangerous implications for a functioning democracy. Responsible adults on all sides of this issue would be advised to take the present lull as an opportunity to bone up on Samuel P. Huntington’s classic treatise, The Soldier and the State...

There are many other troubling aspects to this case. To begin, it speaks to the fact that Canada is susceptible to the arrogance we prefer to ascribe to other states (read, the United States), that western powers can just barge about into other countries without their consent, on the paternalistic premise that we know what is best for them...

For another, even if Canada could get the UN Security Council to agree that Sudan is a failed state (unlikely, as China and France have significant oil exploration interests in Sudan), there is the larger problem of what can reasonably be achieved to lasting effect...

...Canadian Forces can make a difference, in the right situation, with the support of capable allied partners. Our soldiers, sailors and airmen accept their duty is to enact the desires of our political leaders, but those desires must be legitimate and assured of a reasonable chance of success in consideration of all the risks. Democracies rightly accept constitutional limits to the use of their militaries. If the CF is to lend robust credibility to our diplomacy abroad, we cannot allow it to become a political plaything at home..."

Mark
Ottawa

Did anyone count the number of times the word"deal" appeared in the tape transcripts? I lost count, but to me, a deal is a deal is a deal......

Even the esteemed Mr. Kinsella seems to agree that this is damning evidence against Murphy and Dosanjh, and quite possible Martin himself.

I wonder if Canadians are still snoozing happily away or if they will finally wake up over this.

It's pretty clear these guys were just stringing him along. Get real. No way was he going to get a cabinet post. That would be completely indefensible and the Libs are too clever for that - and the Tories come to think of it

Yup...so clever of them to implicate themselves on tape. Nice try, though.

I'm curious about how many other Conservatives were approached.
Inky Marks said he was - by Goodale while the PM was in Regina?
The media belittled him and did not believe him.
The Grewal transcripts refer to CPC's from Newfoundland who may be close to retirement.
Murphy says there were several more.

No wonder Grewal had to tape this - the Liberals and the media make it look like the conservatives are lying.

Shabbaddoo,

Remember Warren K isnt necessarily an dispassionate observer of this, this isnt like Scott Brison saying he thinks it is damning evidence.

That being said, it appears as if the three of them, 4 actuall when you include SK, have been caught.

Will their startegy be bull on through, the old Chretien strategy or will they decide to take a hit now and admit.

My bet is they will push it till they see how big a storm it causes. Only if someone needs to be sacrificed will there be a problem. It will be tim Murphy who will offer his resignation if it does.

At the end of the day the bigger issue now is that people have fibbed about their involvement. Regardless of what you have done that is usually the "sin" that gets you in the most trouble.

But watch for storms....if none develop, nothing changes...

The ex-PM, Choker Jean Shawinigate notoriety had the ergo correctly mis-stated; to paraapse, da prop if da prooof, is da foorp , is da proof, is da proof , is da Liberaks is da Lieberals, iss prooffen. Oui?

Paul Martin, the time has come: go, in the name of God, go now.

However I Will say Warren K has chosen some particularly damaging pieces....I'll say one thing for him he has a good eye for this stuff.

His stuff beats the quotes put out by the CBC and CTV.....yowsers....

What was the quote at the end of Terminator

Gas Station Attendent: "Looks like there is a storm coming"

Sarah Connor: "I know"

Meeting with Mr. Ujjal Dosanjh and Mr. Tim Murphy in the Confederation Building
At 1:00 PM on Tuesday May 17, 2005

GG - Hello, how are you ?
UD - Fine, how are you ? I didn’t know last night (about Belinda).
GG - No, no, you knew that.
UD - Honestly, I didn’t know this was.
GG - You indicated last night, I thought you knew it.
UD - I was told that someone was coming but I did not know who it was.
GG - It seems there might be some more…
UD - Those from New Foundland are suspected.
GG - It is difficult for them to decide how to vote.
UD - Would you have a cup of tea.
GG - No, thanks, let us hurry up.
UD - Sure ? Tim will come soon.
GG - We have to rush through because of the Question Period
UD - Today, Question Period is at 2 PM
GG - Don’t you have to prepare for it.
UD - No, I can just prepare in 5 minutes, in the car.
I think (Belinda) has made it easier for you, if you want.
GG - That’s true.
UD - In fact, cabinet can be arranged right away. For the other, you don’t want to
lose the advantage. If you do right away, you lose the advantage of numbers.
Those are the issues.
GG - Anyway, let’s talk.
UD - I talked to the PM moments ago. He said he is going to Regina right now
and he said he will be happy to talk to you over the phone tonight or in
person if you want to move. I think you should have through conversation
with Tim.
GG - OK.
UD - Tim is the Chief of Staff, its just like talking to PM.

www.newsbeat1.com
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Caught like rats in a trap; the Liberals are squealing, grovelling; pleading for mercy; desperate political has-beens, also-rans.

Who will desert the Liberal caucus first?

Ralph Goodale? Pettigrew? Graham? A back-bencher(s).

No. none of them will.

Down with the Liberals.

As Coyne said - there are no more rules.

Perhaps I'm pessimistic, but, the Liberals have a game plan.
1) The Gomery Report is already being marginalized because its mandate allows NO conclusions to be drawn. None.

2) Chretien, whose narcissism functions, on a scale of 1 to 10, at point 10, will ensure that the report is sealed,if it in any way harms his Ego. Since it will - then, he'll seal it.
Remember, he's done that tactic with other inquiries; he simply closes them. Same thing with this.

3)The Liberals are in heavy election mode at the moment. They are filling patronage appointments - and remember - our gov't infrastructure is a mess; Most gov't decisions are made by non-elected individuals, and their appointments are made only by the PMO. So, this is a dictatorial system. These patronage appointments will curry favour.

4)I suggest that CTV's Mike Duffy's obnoxious new show is a Liberal propaganda tactic. It is smoothing down all anamolies, all problems. They are even promoting Jean Chretien!

Recall Warren Kinsella's boast a few days ago, how Chretien was in Toronto and 'people ran up to him, high fived him, ask for his autograph and picture". The hero. I didn't believe Kinsella. The scenario was too false; Canadians might clap when a 'famous person' walks by but they don't run up, high five, ask for their picture..etc.
Well, Gushing Jane Taber used the SAME imagery on Duffy's show. She said that Chretien had walked into a restaurant..this time in Ottawa..and she used the same set of images: 'People came running up, they 'high fived him'; they asked for their picture taken with him; they asked for his autograph'.

Now- two scenarios, in two different cities, with the SAME unusual SET of images. I'm sorry; that's a propaganda fiction. The Liberals are setting up the viewer to see that Chretien IS LOVED, admired, and therefore, the viewer cannot justifiably dislike Chretien (and the Liberals).

I suggest we'll have more of these 'The People show Their Love for Chretien' fictional scenarios reported on CTV and CBC. The tactic is to make Canadians feel guilty IF, IF, they are mad at Chretien.

Might I suggest to the propagandists: If you want credibility to your propaganda, vary your images from time to time. Don't use the same set of images. It breeds suspicion that the reality is only in YOUR agenda and not in real life.

5) Now, we'll see the Liberals admitting some 'bad things happened'..and you'll see the publicity about 'people charged' (such as today's scenario where a bit player ..I'm terrible with names...accepted 'guilty').
And..they'll talk about their lawsuits to get the money back; and the RCMP investigations and on and on.
Purpose? To calm the public; to show that they are good guys who had some rogue elements but they are going after these bad guys!
And it's important..their propaganda showing that ALL Canadians Love Chretien. That will continue.

6) They've given up on Quebec. So, they will attack the CPC as 'aligned with the devil separatistes'. Their focus will be on votes in Ontario. That's what Duffy's CTC show is all about.

They will portrary Harper as 'hidden agenda', as 'aligned with the people who want to break up the country'....

7) The tapes? If they have to sacrifice Murphy, they will. They'll pay him off - big time.
Martin has been able to do his Boy Scout routine of utter innocence before; he'll do it again.

8)The West? They'll try for a few seats, but, they are probably hoping for another minority - and will insist that it will have to STAY, because they refuse to 'put the burdened electorate' through another election.

9)Belinda The Barbie Girl? She's there to do as the Cartel tells her. It's beyond belief that they would promote her as a PM, but I no longer have any sense of reality in Canadian politics.
She'll be an election ploy.

10) The West. If the West doesn't rise up and, like the Boston Tea Party, reject corruption and manipulation...the Liberals will win, yet again.

I forgot to shutdown CPAC after QP today and ended up glad I did. Don Boudria was raising a question of privilege because "Focus on the Family" (at familyfacts.ca) has been faxing him and others repeatedly regarding SSM and "blocking his constituents from reaching him." Someone else stood up & said the same thing (over 800 faxes since Monday morning). Boudria was implying (maybe I'm paranoid) that the CPC was somehow behind it.

CPC (I think Kennedy) stood up to argue that an MPs job is to listen to their constituents, and that he and others have been receiving thousands of emails and have had to hire more staff to deal with the deluge, but in essence Boudria was arguing to block constituents' rights to contact their members of parliament. If Boudria thinks this is similar to the precedent he(Boudria) quoted re: an MLA in Ontario who had charges laid, then why was he not contacting the RCMP and filing a complaint?

This could turn out to be very interesting. I believe Mr. B is trying to shut down familyfacts.ca via parliament.

(I went out to their website, and right at the top you can click to send a fax to your MP in support of family values.)

To me it was obvious Paully was lieing when he said he hadn't listened to the tapes. You mean to say Paully you can't be bothered to listen to the tapes that could destroy your government??? Jeez, either you're pathetically duhhhhhhhhm or you're an outright liar! Which is it?

And then Mr Liar Liar Pants On Fire goes on to say emphatically that no offer was made! Yah, but just wait Paully, how can you say that when you insist you didn't even listen to the tapes? Come on Paully, even your most pathetic, slumbering sheep can see the lies here! But, dream on....

ET:

The Gomery report may not be able to draw conclusions but it's proving it's worth already. Paul Coffin has just pleaded guilty to 15 counts of fraud. His trial, scheduled for next month, will now be a sentancing hearing delayed until August - enough time to get him to sing.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050531.wcoffin_20531/BNStory/Front/

AA:

Re: "..Did Harper approve of this entrapament? He has sunk very low if he did."

Recording conversations by either party (clandestinely or not) is perfectly legal in Canada and is very much appropriate in a case of proving criminal behaviour. Screw the Libranos.

My understanding is that when one party of the conversation is aware of the taping it is entirely legal.

Martin in the House today -

Somebody check Hansard - Martin is saying EXACTLTY the same words that Murphy is telling Grewal to say about "no deal".
Also, Belinda said almost "exactly" the same type of statements for her decision.
And, Cadman used the exact same reason about "his constituents don't want an election and I'm standing on principal and "there is no deal"....according to these tapes there is "the promise of a deal" in two to four weeks - for the senate in 1 1/2 years or so.
So is a "promise" of a deal a deal?
Hmmmm.
We shall see how Mr. Cadman continues to vote.

remember Anne Mclellan had no trouble two weekends ago lambasting the CPC for their lack of wthics taping, and saying there was nothing there...but denied listenign to the tape after Jane Taber, in one of her more lucid moments, said "No offer, have you listened to the tape Minister?"

Annie said she hadnt but continued to pronounce.

I think they say no so they dont have to defend the details of the tape and can stay at the high level message...CPC is evil for taping....

Did Harper approve of this entrapament? He has sunk very low if he did.
Posted by AA

Ah yes, the Angry Man is at it again! Imagine the nerve, stealthily taping innocent opposition members and forcing them into incriminating conversations and advocating criminal acts. Quick!!! Somebody call in the RCMP - the Angry Man must be stopped before he tears the country apart!

How awful . Those evil Conservatives have actually "forced" Paul Martin's Liberals into having to resort to vote buying, bribery and bullying.
That's like the wife beater saying "she made me do it".

Anyone with the smallest amount of intgrity or morals or decency would have stood up in the Common House and said they have deceived Canadians and steped aside.
Martin is so fixated on keeping power wheather it is for personal reasons or more likely to keep the hounds away from looking at HRDC and Gun Registry that he has destroyed the parlimentary system as we know it in Canada.

It is time for the Liberal back benchers to find a Back Bone anywhere amongst them and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Maybe the GG could justify her Station in life and tell the Libs to get out.

Hey Maz - that's the exact transcript I've already posted. Le'ts ease up on the redundancy, ok?

Don Newman's panel this evening on Politics (CTV) with Newman's coaching all seemed to decide this tape is a non-issue and this type of activity continues to disrupt the business of parliament. I believe you can find this on the CTV website for Politics.

The Liberal pattern of behavior is evident to anyone with an honest heartbeat, but the big players in the media seem to consider it a serious breach of protocol to even NOTICE the Liberal modus operandi. So if it takes a little bitty tape to crack that nut open, so be it. But now that a bit-player MP has done the sleuthing, what will happen to the information he reeled in? Will another smoking gun be buried as far as possible?

Coyne said, at the end of his May 25 article in the N.Post that the media have their own responsibility whenever there are serious allegations against a government. That's a pretty radical opinion. In the current Canadian context, the media showed an utter non-reaction to one of their own being legally threatened for being the one to do his job and notice things.

Things aren't looking up for a free press when NOTICING becomes a liability. Anyone with an honest heartbeat knows that on the portion of the tape which was first released a couple of weeks ago, Murphy is delicately asking for Mr. Grewal's complicity in helping to ensure than any hypothetical deal which might of might not be made on any hypothetical non-confidence vote should never ever appear to be a deal. He wanted to make himself perfectly clear, and darned if he didn't. He is a very well-spoken man.

So you'd figure that the media would have some tough questions for Mr. Murphy, right? Um, no. Here's Jeffrey Simpson's take, May 25, pointing squarely at the non-Liberals: "Yes, manners deteriorated rather sharply around Parliament in this minority situation...and the generally raucous behavior undoubtedly turned off plenty of Canadians. But secret taping of conversations by an MP in order to damage the other side? Are there no limits?"

Why yes, there are. How often have mainstream reporters seriously raised the spectre of serious malfeasance inside the Liberal government, as opposed to just somewhere vaguely off in the direction of a dismissing hand? Mr. Simpson never has, despite his stature. But how far might his reporter's nose lead him regarding the contents of the Murphy tape? He does weigh in on this one: "The circumstantial evidence suggests Mr. Grewal has a few questions to answer". So the fellow who pushed REC has questions to answer, but not the PMO. How about the reporters who first noticed what was on the tape, as it was first released? Well they may have a few questions to answer, too, possibly in front of a Liberal judge.

Mr. Simpson has no apparent quarrels with that idea, although he is not unconcerned: He wrote "Some of the right-wing punditocracy might not survive...a few of the pundits hyperventilated so `severely last week that they came dangerous close to cardiac arrest over the Liberal's parliamentary survival." Oh, those pesky throwback reporters who backslide into that whole "noticing" thing, and then attack words to it! What actionable rascals!

I wonder if Tim Murphy has more lawsuits for any more reporters now? As Mr. Jeffrey Simpson so hopefully put it, "Sometimes the accuser has more questions to answer than the accused, and this is one of those times".

Why yes, yes, it is one of those times. I couldn't have put it any better. But times are about to change.

Paul Martin replies to Stephen Harper in the House of Commons today

"At no time, however did I ever say that I would meet with the honourable member. And in fact, Mr. Speaker, if one looks at what the newspapers have said they have said that the honourable member's story is totally false," Martin said.

Well, if the newspapers say its false it must be false. They're never wrong.

If there was actually an editor or publisher with some sack in Canada, they might print, in bold face on the front page, some of the quotes from Mr. Murphy which marry up oh-so-nicely with those used by Mr. Cadman, Ms. Stronach and Mr. Brison.

To bad FOX is not yet broadcasting here.

Don Newman seemed fixated on this sworn statement from the middleman, Kalia, who says Grewal initiated the talks. But out here in the whacky, wet province of B.C., that's about as sacrosanct as used toilet paper. Kalia is supposedly (was, I guess) to both Dosanjh and Grewal, but when you're wondering which way to toss your support, you automatically think of 'what's in it for me', if you're a Liberal, right? Interesting that this is all breaking at the same time as Deep Throat is going public. The biggest scandal in US history, back then when there were REAL journalists.

I agree, ward. I wonder if Bob Woodward has a spare weekend?

Interesting that these tapes are released the same day that Deep Throat,of Watergate fame,is identified.

Cheryl has switched · 6 hours ago

Here’s Cheryl’s story. I know Cheryl, this is a big step for her. She’s always supported fiscal restraint but had a huge problem with Harper’s image. What was Cheryl’s tipping point? Spending more tax money to spin the results of the Gomery inquiry.

Ug. I just can’t vote Liberal. It [the war room] is just wrong. Wrong. Wrong Wrong. Besides, I’m not sure we need the Feds playing at paymaster any more.

http://www.harperliberals.ca

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A liberal can support Stephen Harper.

Add your personal testimony to the above website.

Switch and fight.

Cannot anyone see the irony here that you are always calling Liberals liars but when they are clearly dissembling to trick a Conservative MP to vote for them, you take them at face value
Seems like you believe what you want to believe rather than facing facts

Backbencher Fiberals have no choice in propping up their disgusting government- many of the will be unemployed when the government changes, ( and some of them will go to jail). In a private sector that no longer has to suck up to theft and corruption, where will any of these losers be able to find employment that will pay them over a hundred thousand bucks a year, generous benefits and pension packages, and expense accounts with no receipts?

Maz2,
Sorry bud, after what John Williams MP did at the Public Accounts Committee yesterday, squashing the vote to call in the Auditor General on Reloscam, I have to re-consider my devotion to the Conservatives.

Ujal Dosanjh: "In fact, cabinet can be arranged right away." If that's not an outright bribe (punishable by up to 14 years in prison), I'm an ivory-billed woodpecker.

From Lorne Gunters Glog at NP

"But even if that doesn't happen, consider that Mr. Murphy offered to have Parliament's ethics commissioner pencil whip an investigation into whether Mr. Grewal sold immigration visas for money.

The commissioner was supposed to be independent of the PMO now. The PM made great fanfare of switching the commissioner form reporting to him to reporting to Parliament. It was part of his damage control on Adscam.

Yet here we have the PM's chief of staff, allegedly offering to somehow lean on the commish to sanitize Grewal. The Liberal disease would then be infecting one of the few independent watchdogs Ottawa has over this government."

Just where pray tell does Tim Murphy's influence end.

To paraphrase Sean Connery from Entrapment:
Entrapment is what the police do - this is only blackmail...

Entrapment:

Well how else would he prove his case if he didn't have it taped? You saw how the Liebrals/MSM Brothers in Arms attacked Inky Mark on a similar claim. You've seen how the Family has denied Shawinigate, Adscam, HRDC, Gun Registry, even the GST promise.

If it ain't caught on tape or in writing the Liebrals are gonna LIE - that's what they do! Kapeech??

If this crime went to court and was punishable by up to 14 years in prison, I would like to be on the jury when the following people are arrested:
Paul Martin
Belinda Stronach
Ujal Dosanjh
Tim Murphy
Sudesh Kalia
David Peterson
Gurmant Grewal
Narinder (Nina) Grewal
and Chuck Cadman just in case.

It all seems very clear to me. Three fish in the water. One bit. One Wouldn't. One bit back. Hard. I think that fish was a shark. A cunning one.

Long live the Blessed double agent

If Mark Felt, "Deep Throat", had approached Jeffrey Simpson, John Ibbitison, or Jane "Deep Throat" (notice she almost never names a source) Taber he would have been turned away since these intrepid reporters could never bring themselves to breach the "Security of Information Act".

One despairs. Tapes show the Prime Minister's Chief of Staff, and the Minister of Health, clearly discussing an arrangement of place for vote(s). Mr Murphy's phrasing might be put as follows: "I'll not make you an offer you can refuse." It is obvious to any sentient human what is going on.

Yet on, for example, Newsworld "Politics" this evening, Don Newman gave the CPC representative a very hard time as to whether Mr Grewal might be an equally culpable party. I'm sure Mike Duffy and the rest of the gang that couldn't report or think straight will take a similar approach.

Can these people not see the fundamental difference between an Opposition MP's offering (if that be the case) something and the government--which alone has the power to grant the favour--considering giving that favour?

The first is unethical behaviour by an individual. The second is corrupt (that word again) action by the state. The offences are of a completely different quality and consequence.

I just watched the global news and the Grewal tape was not the first story but the second. But the reporter gave it the soft touch, and one question he asked rhetorically was "Who to believe." I wanted to shout "the tape."

The CBC is doing their best to ignore this...it's not even on their main page right now.

These people should not be governing, they should wasting in prison.

I want an election now, if for nothing else, then to prove how stupid a good portion of Ontario voters are, and if necessary to put the final nail in the coffin of this disgusting country.

The liberals have been stealing for years from each canadian. What is the matter with the public that they will vote in a corrupt government time and again. The tapes show once again their stragedy of never answering a dishonest act and adopting an offensive position. We are the laughingstock of the world..professing to be morally superior to everyone, and in reality, we have become a banana republic, lost our democracy. God help Canada. I fear we are lost..If the Liberals get into office again...Quebec will leave and so will the West. The Maritimes will be a right-off and Ontario will go it alone, propping up a corrupt regime,Hello aMERICA. The WEst can get along very well without the East....

No one believed Inky Mark when he said he was appoached. What we are getting from the tape recording is a Liberal blueprint of how to buy influence. There is nothing to suggest that the same blueprint was not used by the Liberals to bring Scott Brison and Belinda Stronach into the Liberal Party. The only question is when is the media going to start connecting those dots?

When every outraged Canadian gets on the phone to the head office of the CBC and CTV and the Globe and the Star the rest of the Liberal friendly press and starts raising hell about their negligience and incompetence, and starts to cancel subscriptions.

Did you notice in the tapes that they were not actually asking Grewal to "cross the floor". They were asking him and his wife to "abstain" from voting - citing various reasons "on principal".
Then to cross potentially later at an expeditious time for his rewards for taking risks.
So, the CBC , CTV spin on this that "people cross the floor all the time" is not even relevant.
The Liberals were, in fact, vote tampering.
To cover up vote buying scandals.
They were not "recruiting a new Liberal member".

I've always found it curious that the CBC haven't attacked Murphy harder on this, and it does make you wonder why not. Now here are the last few words on the subject from tonight's National(Keith Boags): "...it's curious that they (conservatives) aren't attacking him (Grewal) on this, and it does make you wonder why not."

Seriously.

Paul Martin is captured on a gas station surveillance video tape standing over a body--covered in blood and clearly dead--with a pistol.

His defences:

1) I didn't know the video recorder was there. That's entrapment.

2) The gun isn't actually smoking on the tape.

Mark
Ottawa

Outraged Canadians should be cancelling their 'scripts to the media they least trust (well, the pickings are slim...), pulling advertising, e-mailing and phoning, as Kate noted. But frankly, I think most people are too tired to care. They want their news packaged in two-liners and spoon-fed. Please, don't make me think about what you're saying. Just tell me what I OUGHT to think. I'm beginning to think bloggers are the only ones who care. And Gidget Taber was her usual gawd-awful self, giggling and fawning over a gay couple in Ottawa to get married and support the government in their attempts to get the SSM bill passed (they were the amazing race couple). Puff was really struggling to appear objective, but I think he's forgotten how.

Iron Lady: can you imagine Jane "Deep Throat" Taber employed by a major (as Canadians see it) US paper or network? Or by the Des Moines Register, the Sacramento Bee or the Seattle Post-Intelligencer? Maybe Fox Sports Radio--which is truly hideous with chuckling guys and giggling girls. Oops. The CBC in its cross-broadcasting mode.

Mark
Ottawa

Iron Lady: forgot that The Taber is mainly on CTV. Another cross-broadcaster (chortling Puff).

Not Hot: Grewal
Hot: Deep Throat (ME!)

Mark
Ottawa

This is just ridiculous. What is wrong with the media in this country? They've got a scandal on Parliment Hill that's practically gift wrapped and no one cares to touch it. Pulitzer Prizes have been give for less for pity sakes!

In a democracy the media play a vital role in keeping our public figures and government officials accountable and the public informed. They are the first line of defense. They have let us down. Democracy has been all but destroyed in this country by a corrupt regime, a irresponsible press corps, and a lazy, complacent electorate.

As someone who works in the newspaper biz, who has defended the media on numerous occasions, I am extremely ashamed.

Short of killing people on live TV, what would the liberals have to do that would upset the public enough to remove them office?

Why haven't the Tories just released the friggin' tapes in their entirety, full stop? That's what anyone with half a clue would have done...assuming the tapes really do contain the damning evidence they're supposed to.

(And yes, I know the Dosanjh tapes are in Hindi or whatever it is. But it's not hard to find a neutral translator in Ottawa, in this day and age.)

Notice the media is not reporting AT ALL on today's Conservative motion to amend Gomery's mandate so he can name names.

Notice the wee bit of tv it got was Scott Brison and the Justice Minister saying the Conservatives were too stupid to run a country is they don't understand that changing this mandate would "derail" the entire inquiry.

Notice what clips your local Global news also played.
This certainly goes far beyond a Liberal "media conspiracy theory"...we are now officially in Pravda mass media manipulation mode by the one party state.
How do we even begin to get around this?

I don't know, Allison. I kind of hoped you would come up with something.

We need a "Deep Throat" in the RCMP and CSIS and maybe throw in the FBI and Scotland Yard.

Anybody have connections?

Duffy on CTV's Counterpoint tonight said something about people saying "why do all politicians lie." The answer, according to Duffy -"because it works and it has been working for about the past 25 to 30 years. !!!".

My reply to this is" Politicians lie because the duplicite media let them get away with the lies;

Co-conspiring reporters don't cross-question them on the lies; they also promote and repeat the lies.
Mr. Duffy - If it was not for media individuals such as yourselves, shamelss cheerleaders for the lying politicians they would not have gotten away with lying to Canadians for 30 years."

You talk to people--everyday, and where ever you go. Someone may be motivated to set up a "boycott" site, something to attract attention. Donate your time and money to your local Conservative candidate until they let us vote again.

They *are* going to let us vote eventually, right? *shudder*

Does anyone have any connections to Fox News. Kevin, Ezra?? Get Bill O'Reilly to do a piece on this. Kevin you could get him to interview you and you can give him the lowdown. How about it??

Here is a site that will be starting up this summer that is long overdue in Canada.

http://www.mediabias.ca/

I hope a lot of us support this vital initiative. It is being organized by the Citizen's Centre for Freedom and Democracy
(two things we are sadly lacking in Bananda)

Nota bene

Kate sorry I posted on the wrong site above about Fox News. TOO MUCH SITE HOPPING.
Allison I just watched Duffy,and he had on this law professor who WOULD NOT condemn the Liberals. All he could say was well the Supreme Court ruled on entrapment and it could be bad for Mr Grewal. He should be very careful. How bad can it get in this country when a law professor wont speak out against corruption.

Media Bias,
Trust we all are familiar with,
www.cbcwatch.ca

The media will never give up on their team.It's foolish to expect them to behave as if they care about the ethics, when what they love are the tactics.All the liberals and media have to discuss are cynical tactics, and it's prime fodder for bullshit sessions in the bar.

Duffy, Newman, et al,are proud of their insider cynicism and being oh so clever at applauding corruption.They are no better than drama critics.

There are a whole new crop of young journalists working their way up the ladder. We are all being manipulated by a bunch of old guys who have lost their objectivity, especially on the national TV networks.

We have to get to the local reporters in our communities. Let's give them stories. Let's MAKE news at the community level- that's where the votes are.

I think Grewal's intention was to bring to attention how desperate the Librano$ are to maintain power, and how deep in the sewer they'll go to stay there. I don't think he has any intention of pushing it unless someone else does.

I'll give TM one thing, he's slick as whale shit on an ice floe. I've never heard *so much* misdirected doublespeak come out of one person's mouth in such a short a period of time. Here's an interesting excercise for those who haven't viewed the transcripts. *Read* them before you *listen* to the tapes. What comes through on tape *crystal* clearly is the utter disdain and disregard for the political process the Liberals possess. They are untouchable and they know it. Also, the written transcript is much much easier to quote out of context, not that the Libs would do this. *cough*

GG said it best when he originally released the 8 minutes. Why did he tape these meetings? BECAUSE YOU IGNORANT, MOUTH BREATHING, LIBERAL SYCHOPHANTS WOULD *NEVER* BELIEVE ME OTHERWISE. Of course I'm paraphrasing.

CPC is playing this right. Gomery fatigue is setting in, witnesses are winding down. Let Canadians digest this latest act of tyranny by the Liberals. Canadians are like infants--feed too much at a time and they can't digest it. Let the MSM be apoplectic, they hate it when the spin is taken away from them.

Jack Layton should be finding a way NOW out of his unHoly alliance to prop up the Liberals.

He would totally clean up in Toronton. In fact, the NDP are outpolling the Libs in the GTA even in the skewed manipulated polls we get from the manipulated Lieral media.

Jack would be the BIG winner if an election was called right now.

Someone should tell him that.

MikeP: "How bad can it get in this country when a law professor wont speak out against corruption."

Duffy said later in the broadcast, in passing, that the prof was a former Liberal executive council (or was that counsel?) something-or-other.

CTV and The National really outdid themselves on this historic night. They took the smoking gun firmly in their hands and stuck it up our collective ass.

It's amazing how PET's gallic shrug can make you feel ethically violated twenty-five years later. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

The C.B.C is finaly going to be introducing a reality television program. It will be a tragic-comedy about media distortion. Itza gonna be hillarious when they talk about Grewal "behind his back". Also, don't forget to watch the compelling love intrest story between B.S's lips and P.M.P.M's ass.

Ah, Truthfully, they won't know until Thursday...

When Cadman stands...

...chewing gum like he's at a yard sale....

The MSM in Canada and Lib/ND type truth deniers remind me of myself in my high school days when everyone wanted to be "in the In Crowd". I lived in a small town, I was on the fringe of the "in crowd". A pretty girl moved in accross the street from me, she seemed nice to me and I was willing to be friends with her. My 'in crowd' friends frooze me out - if the new girl was to be my friend, I was "OUT", it was not in their intrests to have any competition around!! Dumb me, I dropped that girl like a hot potatoe. In the middle of grade 12 I moved to a new school and no one would even speak to me if they could avoid it. I spent my senior year 'looking in', it was not much fun. My Mom always said 'what goes around comes around'!! It worked that way for me.

I look at gushing Tabor, sneering Newman and those reptiles at CTV and poison pen letters from the likes of Greg Weston. It reminds me of those nasty girls who I followed - blindly. I think they (MSM et al) know that Stephen Harper is no 16 year old Jema54 and that is why they are grasping to save their Liberal 'mentors' not because they like them but they have never left the high school hop! Most of them are too old to grow up now but someday I want them to be looking 'in' from the ' cheap seats' Poetic Justice.

There's little hope from the up-and-coming "young" journalists in waiting. They've all been educated in Liberal dominated university journalism programmes. Most don't know how to think independently, and any who have the slightest bit of integrity have gone south.

I'm sorry if this has already been covered by i'm curious as to what the difference is between Grewal and Belinda Stronach? Is it, simply, that there's proof? It seems Stronach was bought off and given a Cabinet position. Isn't that bribery? I haven't read anything in the media really connecting these two dots - go figure - but the two scenarios seem awfully similar. I've checked out the portion of the criminal code that Coyne posted sometime ago but I don't see any reference to the significance of a third party brokering the deal. ie/ David Peterson. If anyone can provide me their thoughts on this I would appreciate it.