No, they don't "all" do it from Being American in T.O.
May 30 - Are you tired of people saying "they all do it" whenever you talk about corruption in government? Kate has a good reply and exposes the fallacy of that particular argument in They Are Not The Same:... The... [Read More]

Tracked on May 30, 2005 11:35 AM

Monte is aweseome. There's a reason that Med-Hat votes him in with the second highest % of votes in the country (I think the MP in Crowsnest Pass had the highest percentage).

He's down-to-earth, passionate, witty and intelligent.

OT

For those of you living in the land of "rights" that are more important than freedom or liberty:

Leaving the Left

Wish Monte was running in my riding.

Wouldst that we stop electing ANY devils; known or otherwise.
Whatever happened to the noble quest for "a few good men (and women)" to lead our nation.

To be fair there is good within Paul Martin's Liberal circle - good speechwriters, good media spinners, good liars and denyers.

And, on the Liberal backbenches there are still a few good men and women but who thinks they are going anywhere with the Devil we know; they are not devious and dishonest enough for Martin's big leagues.

If they are all the same why don't I use the same derisory comments to describe Gary Doer that I do the Federal Liberals?

Didn't the Socreds in alberta go 35 years without one incident of corruption.

You will not read that in the Star.

It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it.
Aung San Suu Kyi

Absolutely well said. I was just arguing with Mr. Y about 2 days ago when I heard him say "they are all the same". Your last sentence was almost exactly as I said, though not as eloquent. Nice piece
bty latest poll on frightened voters
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050526.wxpoll26/BNStory/Front

Well said Kate, particularly the part about sending the moral compasses in for a rebuild. Quite poetic.
There are enough politicians of character and conscience that I at times consider throwing my hat in the ring until my wife reminds me what a sarcastic son of a bitch I can be when faced with foolish people.

Granted that not all politicians are the same, I've spent thirty-six years of my life looking for needles in haystacks. And on that rare occasion when we do find the needle, we discover that it has been blunted by the people who surround the politician in question and is not useable as a result.

Yes, I'm a cynical bastard, but no Canadian politician in MY LIFETIME has given me a good reason to be anything but.

Interesting point you make Kate. But I think it could be expanded to the Liberals or, as you like to call them, the Libranos.

Not all Liberals are 'Libranos' and to paint them all in that light is analogous to saying that all politicians are the same. But I don't see the right making that distinction.

It's been a really crappy couple of weeks in the realm of Canadian politics. The last blog I like to link to at the end of the day is Monte's:
http://www.montesolberg.com/blog.htm
It reminds me that when I think everything has just gone to hell, (Black Tuesday, Taupe Thursday) that Monte is still fighting the good fight and that I can soldier on too.

Actually I would say that "all citizens are the same"... the vast majority of people vote based on their own short sighted self interest, and in most of Canada that means voting for the Liberal government on the basis that it will 'redistribute wealth to them' in the form of services supported by imposing high taxes on *other* people and provinces ("A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul"... but Canada has taken this one step further and literally woven this into the fabric of our society). I find it somewhat ironic that a government voted in to steal for you turned out to be a bunch of crooks. And yes, I would say that Canadians are "undeserving of better". I went over to the bloc-harper site and read most of it... and it seems like even more reason to vote for Harper (assuming their worst propaganda is all true).

We can't afford to make that distinction Todd. The Liberal party is so badly infected by these "few" corrupt members, that it is vitally important to remove the party from power.

Only by purging the federal government of this corrupt party can the Liberal party itself clean up its act. As long as they sit in power, they will control the resources to cover up their misdeeds.

Yes, it is true, there are even good people in the Liberal Party too.

The problem is that once a party has been in power so long that it equates support for the national good with support for that party, it fails to be able to detect wrongdoing. There is a sense of entitlement in the Liberal Party that needs to be purged. That is perhaps the biggest single reason we need a new government.

And the bonus is that people like Monte Solberg are living evidence that good people do exist in politics.

By the way, the point about the Socreds is well taken. Although it may be politically incorrect to say so, the strong religious component in the Socred Party without doubt raised the ethical level of the party and was a contributing factor in helping to create its scandal free record.

The religious background of so many in the Reform and Alliance parties certainly reinforces the perception that the CPC no doubt has a large number of very ethical people counted amongst its members.

Todd,

As soon as the Liberals elect John McKay as their leader, I'll givee the ehtical among them their due (BTW, it's never going to happen).

Speaking of "they're all just the same" . . .

One of the things most in the media have demanded of the Conservatives is an idea of where they would go as a government. How would they be different from the Liberals? What are their priorities? Et cetera. It's a fair criticism, echoed by many in this corner, including myself.

So, almost one week ago, the Conservative Foriegn Affairs critic goes to Toronto and publicly expresses a major disagreement with the Liberal Party on relations with a major power (Communist China) in a speech delivered one day after his party failed to bring down the government.

How many Canadian media outlets reported this fact?

Before the Epoch Times reprinted the speech today (http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-5-25/29060.html), the answer was: zero.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

By the way, if that link won't work, just access it via my blog.

And feel free to "look around" as it were.

Tood, unfortunately your argument about the Liberals/Libranos falls apart in the results of the confidence vote. It's hard to be sympathetic to "honest backbenchers' who choose their corrupt masters over their own ethical responsibility to the electorate - especially in the light of cancelled opposition days, ignored defeats and a million bucks in tax dollars to spin the results of the same commission that is purportedly to get to the "bottom of the mess".

4 Tenn. lawmakers arrested in bribery probe.

FBI set up bogus company to ferret out influence peddling
The Associated Press
Updated: 2:27 p.m. ET May 26, 2005

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Four Tennessee lawmakers, a former lawmaker and two others were indicted Thursday amid a federal investigation into the business dealings of a state senator from Memphis from a powerful political family, officials said.

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Where is the federal investigation of the Liberal Party in Canada?

Where, indeed?

"Ronald Reagan was not the same as Jimmy Carter."

You can say that again. Why, Carter's got to be pushing 80 and he's still nowhere near being the disengaged, senile old coot Reagan was more or less from the day he took office.

A secret government is now clandestinely in place.
Elvis is alive but far away in outer space.
Majestic hides the UFO's we shot down from on high, The men in black are at your back. Black choppers in the sky.

/drool

"There are no godfather-type groups originating from this region, nor any godfathers. I am a proud Venetian."

With a report from CTV's Jed Kahane and files from The Canadian Press.
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Morselli at the Gomery Inquiry.

Blind, of course; eyesight faded; tongue coated with lies; conscience of Duce; breath fetid from grappa; plays in Herb's garden with the snakes; a Liberal.

Where would Dante place Morselli?

In Venice, of course.

Jeez - even the leftist trolls aren't worth much anymore. Too lazy to even type coherent sentences, they simply spew buzzwords. Pathetic.

Tell me your story · 4 hours ago

Wow, the collection of stories from people who are switching is growing. I’ll be posting some more later today. In the mean time, are you switching? Switching to the CPC (like me)? Switching to the NDP or the Greens?

Tell me your story.

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This is big. Play it up; pass this around.

http://www.harperliberals.ca

Comment

1. I plan on switching to the Conservatives next election. I have been a Liberal voter in the past but I can no longer just hold my nose and vote for them again. Martin has been a huge disappointment to me and the all consuming priority of the federal liberals now seems to be “what do we have to do to stay in power” And it seems that they will do anything.

I have thought about Harper and the CPC and have come to the conclusion that the party is neither racist or scary like the liberals want to paint them. You can only cry wolf so many times until people will just not listen any more. Besides we have had Conservative governments in the past and currently five of the provinces have conservative governments (if you count the BC liberals) and another, Quebec, has a premier who is really a conservative and hell has not frozen over or the country fallen apart. Besides, if things don’t go according our wishes we get to throw them out in four years or so.

It is time that the liberals had a time out and sat on the bench for awhile so they can regroup, find some values and present a fresh face to Canadians.

JB
— John Bennett May 26, 03:15 pm

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Switch and fight.

http://www.harperliberals.ca

Herb is just one of the moonbats that got clipped by Kate's Dodge before they could make it to the sewer. He'll shrivel up fairly soon.

Not all Liberals are Libranos.

Surely not, but the party is controlled by Libranos, and to the extent that decent, honest, ordinary Liberals do nothing about it, say nothing about it, work to maintain the Liberal hold on power, work to help the party get through this "crisis", they are supporting the Libranos, and are complicit in their crimes. "I didn't rob the bank, I just helped the robber get elected" is no excuse. Say what you will about David Kilgour, but as far as I've been able to discern he's the only Liberal in the entire country who has publicly done the honourable thing. Kevin Taft, the leader of the Alberta Liberal Party, toyed with doing the right thing, but I rather suspect someone got to him and "persuaded" him not to.

All politicians are not created equal, and that's what's driving this frenzy against Harper. He can't be bought, bribed, intimidated. Monte is a gem, as are most of these baby Tories. And yes, there are good Liberals - but they're on the back benches, eunuchs and will remain so because they have not had the courage to do the right thing and put an end to the outrageous arrogance of their leader. Surely some of them must be offended at Stick Chick's position in the front pews for little or no effort. One can only hope that one of them will wake up one of these days and do the honourable thing and either cross the floor or sit as an independent. Hopefully, Stick Chick's constituents will give her the boot. But then, what's the price of a senate seat these days?

When people say to your face 'all politicians are criminals' they mean two things:

1. I'm going to vote liberal for my own reasons and I don't care what you think about it and I don't wish to discuss it. Chances are that it is a selfish reason and they know that the liberals are slime but they don't care.

2. They actually know squat about politics and can't be bothered so they take the easy way out. There may be some ability to get this kind of person's vote but it would not be easy to do.

Is May 30th another day the Librano$ will have to dodge? I'm thinking that that's the day the case involving the raid on the BC legislature goes to court. Some of the characters involved had links to the federal Librano$, I believe. It's getting so hard to keep my scandals straight these days.

Move 'em in, Move'em out....Yippee Yi Aaaay....Cowpattie!!! It's easier to control a herd of voters by convincing them they have no choices.

Better control means we can skin'em much faster.

I find it interesting to note that has been mentioned frequently the not all liberals are unethical, and there are some who maintain their morals and ethics. I agree that there are some who may not entirely agree with what is occuring in the party, but not doing anything about it is, to me, as bad as participating in the action in the first place. Furthermore, even if they do not agree, the Liberals are a team, and anyone on that team, wether they agree with it or not, is supporting the team's goals and principles.

...'everyone on the team is supporting the team's goals and principals..." Trit???

Let's say you belong to a team. If everyone on your team was encouraged to kick a helpless blind man to rob him would you:
A: Join In?
B: Look the Other Way?
C: Try to Stop Them or call the police
D: Quit the team
E: Find a kinder gentler team?

These are questions one must pose to those possibly still ethical, possibly still honest Liberal back benchers.

Those in a public position, especially in the ruling power, have no reason or excuse to condone and not bring to the forefront the corruption and scandal in there party.

If they did that, it would not be acceptable to say that "There all the same."

So the logic is: they say nothing therefore they are.

Agreed Trit,

If the federal Liberal representatives gave two penny's about Canada's democratic freedoms, they would have voted themselves out given what we know about Adscam. That would demonstrate the proper moral behaviour expected by the voters.

Hey, what the hell! I've been bating Mark and Mike for the past few days on Mark's post (http://section15.blogspot.com/2005/05/montes-masochist.html) re this exact same subject... Will have a beautiful discussion on the topic of Nhilisim on the weekend... lmao

Now that David Kilgour's vote is, shall we say, superfluous:

Darfur--from BBC May 26

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ica/ 4581463.stm

'UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan told a donor conference in Ethiopia that an epic relief effort would be needed if the conflict was not stopped...

Canada responded with a pledge of $134m, while the US added another $50m to $95m already offered.

The UK pledged another $12m, and smaller contributions came from France and Germany.

Nato and the EU have already promised logistical support...

...Nato Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said the first item on the agenda was airlifts.

But he dismissed calls for Nato to get directly involved with peacekeeping, in the absence of a mandate from the UN Security Council.'

Now a question is how will this news be played in the Canadian media tomorrow in terms of the effectiveness of Canadian government efforts to mobilize international action to deal with Darfur.

There is no possibility of any NATO troop deployment, absent a UN Security Council resolution that will not happen. So what influence has Canada had? Especially given our government's constant evoking of the R2P (what a mindless way of abbreviating a serious idea) doctrine and insistence that "something must be done" in Darfur. And that government's pretending that Canada actually was about to do that something.

Influence. None. What about those "up to 100" (how pathetic) troops that Mr Martin spoke of just a short time ago were going to Darfur. Certainly not close to 100 I will wager. Take me up on it. I'll give 5/1 odds in your favour, maximum bet $100.

Note Canada is "pledging" only a bit less than the US. My goodness we are doing more than our part. Let me know how much of the pledge becomes real.

One hurls.

Mark
Ottawa

The Monarchist has summed up the Librano lies:

http://themonarchist.blogspot.com/2005/05/tipping-point.html

Ah, this is a nice counterpoint to my foul mood about politics on both sides of the 49th parallel.

http://otherclub.blogspot.com/2005/05/bananada-1.html
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http://otherclub.blogspot.com/2005/05/ambushed.html

Thanks, Kate. I needed that.

Let us not forget the voting public. Politicians, after all, are in many ways a product of their constituencies. I hear, again and again, that the current Liberal government should not fall for two reasons: 1) There are good things in the budget 2) We don’t want an election just now

In reality, here’s what many people are saying: “I can tolerate corruption and constitutional abuse as long as there is a pay-off” and “I’m to lazy to go to the polls just now… it may disrupt grad”

The Liberals, I’m afraid, represent very accurately the people who vote for them; Canadian political narcissists. They have taught the Liberals well, and the Liberals have learned. Corruption, constitutional abuse, mismanagement, and lord knows what, can all be washed away with a grant or program or give away. There should not be any moral equivalent to corruption and constitutional abuse, yet far too many Canadians simply ignore the dirt as long as there’s a treat hidden inside. The Liberals are still polling well. That fact alone is staggering in it’s implications. The issues facing Canada at this time should be BLACK and WHITE. Yet, many Canadians fail to recognize this.

Grant Devine and his PC were punished viciously by the Sask. electorate for perceived mismanagment and corruption; but in Ontario and Eastern Canada, the Liberal electorate hardly misses a beat and shows every sign of returning their sugar daddies to the PMO.

Don’t decry the Liberals my friends, decry the hollow Political Narcissists and Euro-snobs that give the Liberals their power. Don’t decry the Media, don’t decry Power Corporation of Canada, don’t even decry Belinda… it is the people who she represents that have made her and her Liberals what they are.

I personally have decided that the way to cleanse this country from this sickness is to support the Quebec separatists. Let them go… let them grow! What will follow will be, in the least, a redefinition of Canada, and in the most, the breakup of an unholy union.

I needed to post this
http://habamusrodentum.blogspot.com/2005_05_26_habamusrodentum_archive.html#111715342700063051
for anyone who has autistic children or any lawyer willing to work for a charter issue in ontario

Why would anyone wish to be chided? Does Monty feel guilt driven about something he has done or is doing? (will he share what is making him feel guilty?)

THEN made to feel very sorry for something that he feels really really guilty about? (what if he did nothing to feel guilty about?)

THEN to be forgiven? About what I ask? Or does he prescribe to the old military saying; "march the guilty bastard in", as in he must be guilty of something so we will prosecute him and make "this" charge stick since he has to be guilty of something.

Does Monty feel guilty about being human with human emotions?

Happy to do as I am told???? What, is he into submission? Who gets to order him around? Who has the Right to Order any other soverign individual around?

Sounds like he is way overdoing the humble Church thing.

Just call them as I see it.

No Party affiliations as no Party will give me my god given Rights.
Do Not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you.

cheers :) majere

PM - those were impassioned statements and I share your frustration. But, I'm imploring fellow citizens not to give up on a united Canada.

The new chant for the separtists in Quebec is that if English Canada votes for Liberals they want out. The Liberals, their corruption and their dictatorship style of dealing with the provinces are the cause of the stregth of the BLOC and PQ.

But, we take heart, an ever increasing and louder chant is the reality that only the Conservatives can stall the Quebec and western separtist movements.

The Conservatives are the only Party that promises to return the province's constitutional rights that the Liberals have systematically torn away.
That is all Quebec and some other provinces have been really screaming for under Liberal rule.

I hope patience prevails - we Canadians need each other - let's celebrate our differences and build a better Canada by building on our amazing diversity and strengths.

Urgh - just reread my post - sounds pretty sucky and patriotic. Must be how I'm feeling after gagging through listening to Paul Martin's speech to the Empire Club today.
Empty platitudes to hypnotize the masses - even the elite get glassy-eyed.

The Earnscliffe speechwriters YOU pay for are masters at the craft (craftiness) of mass propaganda.

Allison,

Go read the Monarchist post, it pretty much sums up what everyone's feeling.

Thousands more held in Zimbabwe
Posted by Flavius
On 05/26/2005 6:28:29 PM PDT · 1 reply · 7+ views

bbc ^ | 26 May, 2005 | By Nick Miles
Zimbabwean police have arrested another 7,000 people as part of a countrywide campaign against illegal traders. State radio said the arrests were made in the town of Gweru in the centre of the country. It brings the number of people arrested in Zimbabwe over the last week to more than 17,000. Zimbabwe state radio said the people were arrested for hoarding scarce goods like maize, dealing in foreign currency and gold panning. The town of Gweru lies in a rich mining belt and thousands of unemployed people have moved there in recent years to eke out a living looking for...

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"Zimbabwe state radio"...

Canada's state radio is the ...?

National Socialism filling the prisons with their own citizens; more than 17,000 in just over a week.

"To eke out a living"; the words are terrifying.

"To eke out"...

Uh Roger... Monte's being self-deprecating. More politicians could do with that character trait.

That's how I understood it, it's not about a fetish for guilt. It's about re-setting his odometer and finding some balance in his life. Something more of us should take the time to do more often.

O/T, but Rob, that Monarchist post is golden.

Sorry Kate, I don't know how belittling oneself is productive in any way shape or form. Or how belittling oneself actually helps others in that the other people he is doing in front of some how .... whatever it does for them. I personally don't believe that any person should go around knocking themselves down. But then again, if one should, then I have something to learn about this and am all ears and eyes. Self deprecating is different than being humble. I think he might have been trying to portray a humble quality.

cheers :) majere

Self-deprecating humor, Roger, actually shows a perspective too often lacking in leaders. I have found that the people who could poke fun at themselves have a much better sense of proportion (translation: they generally understand that they are just a small cog in a big world that has been around for a long time and will be around for a long time after they're gone and feel secure in that knowledge). Also, those with a flash of self-deprecating humor have a greater ability to admit their mistakes.
You will note that those qualities are seriously lacking in the leadership of the LPC.

The concept that "all politicians are the same" is just the recent Liberal shibboleth planted in talking points and media for the faithful to regurgitate in a mantra-like trance when confronted with the open crimes of the “natural ruling party”.

It is an escape mechanism designed to rationalize the vast civil and ethical decay in liberal politics and project this onto the alternative party. Guilt by association....as in: "if you are in politics you must be as dirty as we liberals just to survive, you just haven’t been caught yet".....or , more likely, a willful sharing of guilt as in; tar the opposition with your own dirty brush; "if we go down, we take the opposition and Canada with us. We'll show those rat-brained voters for rejecting our brilliant magnificence"....a sheer act of vengeful hubris....but, that's yer liberal ethics for ya right there. If you can't win by cheating, destroy the game when you go...paint everyone with your own vile traits and destroy the game for the winner.

the "monarchist" article..christ whatta joke, of surrender. and the gullible, near sanctimonius comments, OMG.

Me thinks dirt rat needs to get out of his hole more, have a look around, you might be surprised at what you see, or did the chicken that crossed the road peck your moonbat eyes out.

Monarchist just expressed that we all hit the "Tipping Point", and really don't care wht you think dirt rat. The next election will determine if this will remain a country, if you can't accept it, crawl back in your hole and go back to sleep. In the meantime, will get ready to pull the pin to deflate the central control that's been tearing this place apart.

rob the knob: "whether this country continues", and that's the essence of your, hopeless, ignorant, sordid, mindfucked argument, eh?
You're an asswipe of liberal shades and nothing more of real political consequences, tho you wish of revolutionary dreams that your cowardly body will never deliver==pointed out in the messay by the "other coward" from the monarchist, and extended to other likeminded,as if by magic?---Not so, this is not magic, as you perceive in your ignorant, politcorrect ways( sorta like the war you wished but never occurred)
And lucky you. BTW Suck my cock, buddyboy.

Oh.... personal attacks.... we be all shaken over here dirt rat. You and your slimy trash just got us quivering in our boots.

Keep thinking that ya blood sucking moonbat, will put you back in the sewer, very soon, were you belong. You and your kind will soon meet your fate. Think PM Dithers will protect ya, I think he'll be running for the hills, and you'll be holding onto his shit tails trying to keep up.

Oh and dirt rat ... BRING IT ON!! ... the sooner the better...

bring what on?
it's obvious you're a coward. That's whats important to know.
I merely pointed out your cowardly comment and you have NOTHING to come back to.
Well, asswipe? I'm still here, for now.