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Tracked on April 13, 2005 1:00 AM

I don't know about statement, but it's the most politically incorrect question I've read (so far) today.

Good question, too.

Jambo, bwana!

So noted, Kathy. I've updated the subject line.

Obviously what those people need most is at least basic education - at a minimum, in the Jethro Bodine category (of course for that they'd need a democracy). But even given that it would be a generation or two or three before they came to their senses (grandma's word outranks the doctors).

This is all from memory, I didn;t study it but I fairly recently read something about Nigeria (?) that was similar. The Christian south has been getting innoculations against measles (?) and have only had a few deaths as a result, but the Muslim north has had thousands die because they think the shots are an American plot to kill them off.

(Stupid Nigerian Muslims - it's a *Canadian* plot!)

Satire has its limits, and merely calling yourself "politically incorrect" doesn't magically turn this crudeness into something funny. No, there is no such point. Although, given this catastrophe is happening in Africa, I'm guessing you're going to take your liberties anyway.

Tony the pony? satire?crudeness? catastrophe in Africa? give me a break.They kill more people with recreational sex than anything else.If there is a people that believe having sex with virgins will get rid of the aids virus then just go away and leave them alone.

It isn't satire.

Just . . . ah, well, something else:

http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2005/04/09/note-to-the-new-york-times-dont-use-wikipedia-as-an-authoritative-source/

Guilt? What, me guilty?

Joseph Conrad: Heart of Darkness. Shortest summary on record, as follows:

He (Kurtz) cries out in a whisper. "The horror! The horror! and then he dies. "Mistah , Kurtz -- he dead"

No way me guilty.

He (Kurtz)

"Is there a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy for these people, seal off the borders and just let nature take its course?"

Goodness, Kate, until I clicked through your link, I thought you were talking about Quebec Liberals!

Santa Kurtz was shorter when he said "The horror! The ho-ho-ho-horror!"

Shortest by far:

"He dead."

Apocalypse Now. The late Marlon Brando.

"...until I clicked through your link, I thought you were talking about Quebec Liberals!"

There's a difference?

Kate, There comes a time when we do need to stop pretending that we can carry all the misery of the world on our backs. But, don't be too hard on those folks, after all, they are only echoing the beliefs of the 2004 Nobel Peace Prize winner, the moonbat Tree Lady of Kenya.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1216687.htm

The Liberals will pick this up and point to party intolerance ,as Kinsella is already doing.

Kinsella is hardly in a position to grasp the moral high ground considering his potential involvement in ADSCAM. He's the guy who recommend Chuck Guite, he's the guy who worked with David Dingwall...and he's a good buddy of Jean Chretien. One usually hangs around folks who share the same values...and considering the values of Chretien, Dingwall, et al....Kinsella is probably just as worried about the truth coming out as Chretien and Martin.
If Warren Kinsella every climbed off his soap-box long enough to join the great-unwashed, he'd soon realize that most of us don't share Liberal Values.....now that we know Liberal Values simply mean "grab as much as you can before your turfed from office"

Give it a rest Warren.......we see the real you now, and it's not the pretty picture you liked to paint. In fact (to use Anne McLellans' favourite pharse) your portrait looks less and less like a work of Liberal art, and more and more like the Portrait of Dorian Gray.
Does anyone else wonder who got a share of the "dirty money?"

Just remember, it wasn't dirty until the Liberals touched it. Every time I watch the Libs stand up in Question Period....I feel like taking a shower.

Hate to break it to you, but millions of people helped the Liberals win the last four elections. In future, implying in any way that Kinsella took illegal money and is immoral probably isn't the best way to respond to accusations of racism.

Wow, you people ares sick. I love that you think it is fashionably "politically incorrect" to want to wall off "these people" from medicine and education. I like the attempt to blame Adscam for why this isnt rascist too, that makes a lot of sense.

These comments are inexcusable...

Thanks to you and these comments - I not voting Conservative next election. I'll have to find somewhere else to park my vote for awhile.

Have to agree with Dave. I don't particularly want to vote Liberal in the next election, but threads like this put a shiver down my spine and remind me why this new Conservative party scares me.

So I read this morning that Warren has been chewing off his paw to get away from Chretien's Adscam trap ... that must sting. I can see why he's acting out.

The diehard Liberals come out of the woodwork in faux outrage to declare they won't vote for the Conservatives!

Because I retract my sympathy for thugs who attack World Health Organization workers who are placing their lives on the line to save their sorry asses from a deadly virus?

But, just as stealing millions upon millions of tax dollars and lining the pockets of their friends and "goodfellas" is synonymous with "saving Canada", perhaps it's an issue of literacy.

(And - just so we're perfectly clear on this - I feel exactly the same degree of concern for those who are raping babies to "cure" themselves of AIDS.)

By the way - where are these socially sensitive liberal democrats on those dozens of posts I copied from Iraqi blogs in the past months, celebrating their emergence from decades of fascist oppression?

Oh! That's right - we heard it for two years - "Iraqis aren't ready for democracy". Not as highly evolved as white tenured University professors and leftist intelligencia, we were told.

And I'm the "racist"?

While my first instinct is to respond with disgust, anger, shock, outrage...I won't, because it would be lost on the Conservative brainwashing that is epoused by every member of this board.

This is why Canadians will never feel comfortable with your ilk. You mask your intolerance and hate for homosexuals, the poor, and different cultures and races with your supposed adherence to economic liberty. This country is one that embraces difference, and does not leave people to simply fend for themselves.

And no matter how much you try and indoctrinate Canadians with your filth, voters will never buy into it.

Now go and divert attention away from your putrid views with calls of Liberal corruption...maybe somehow magically we'll all forget your bigotry, right?

And that is a glimpse into the fear-mongering the Angry Liberal Left is going to use as they descend into the pit of electoral obvlivian... get ready for it folks. You'll see it from the Liberals, the NDP and the media in the weeks to come... if they'll waste their time on my lowly blog with attacks on a Conservative party that has more racial diversity in its makeup than their own - it means they're frightened.

Unlike the left, conservatives don't practice the politics of soft racism. We don't believe other human beings are less worthy of democracy and freedom, less capable of taking responsibility for their own lives and families, or less stupid when it comes to clinging to tribal cultures that cultivate the very ignorance such as the example highlighted in this post.

If the accumulated intelligence quotent of the "offended" were able to creep into the triple digits, they might even stop and realize that such events have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the dictatorial tribal systems they so admire and celebrate .... in the quaint folk artsy nicknacks they bring home from vacation...

While I'll admit that Kinsella's postings regarding the recent revelations of Liberal corruption have been pathetic attempts to avoid the very real culpability of his former boss Chretien (I would even say his linking to this posting is a further attempt to avoid the issue -- besides he just praised the fucking Pope who cared more about keeping Africa from using condoms than he did from saving their lives).
Regardless, his actions are merely the understandable response of a political veteran awaiting for the coming spin from HQ, simply biding his time with mutterings about the Post editorial board and something about a Quebec referendum.
That said I do think Kate's post reveals her to be an inhuman monster who deserves great pity. The hate and bile she espouses makes the criminals behind the Adscam
scandal seem as children stealing from a cookie jar.
You didn't elaborate on what you meant by "these people" but since you suggested completely "sealing off the border" to all of "these people" than it's correct to infer that you mean all Africans and not just a bunch of thugs.
You're gross.

"dictatorial tribal systems they so admire and celebrate"

It must be difficult to live with such low self-esteem that you have to conflate anyone who disagrees with you with people who support mass murder and undemocratic regimes. Instead of constructing your identity around empty phrases you associate with some ideal conservative person, maybe you should take a step back and accept that maybe from time to time the most controversial thing you can think of isn't always the same as the right thing.

Don't sweat the "Faux Outraged" who were no doubt directed here by Kinsella's site.......

The Liberals could sacrifice human infants on a pile of burning money stolen from the Canadian Treasury....and they'd still have the support of folks like Jonathan Ross, Justin,Jed, Dave, et al.

Keep putting up posts that make folks THINK Kate...after all, you have stated the post was "politically incorrect" so it should be no surprise that those who place "correctness" on the altar of "Canadian Values" would be outraged. After all.....if they didn't have the chance to be outraged by anyone who thinks differently, how could they live with themselves?
Some people aren't happy unless they can find another person to compare themselves too....in order to maintain their belief that they are morally superior.

All Jonathan and his friends have accomplished, is to show clearly how the Liberals maintain their support by catering to the lowest common denominator in the intellect department.

Wow. I had no idea voting for for the PC's three times (Multoney x 2 and Campbell) made me part of the Liberal Left. I'm a Red Tory which means I don't fit into this new, wannabe Republican party that Kate espouses with a broad us vs. them mentality that equates every policy issue (well - according to this blog anyway) into a struggle of the bright and moral (apparently all conservatives) over all that is evil in the world (apparently every liberal) and to hell with anyone who disagrees. I'm a Canadian, not an American. I'm confident this type of hate-politics won't find the national acceptance you crave. It's unfortunate that real issues are likely to be lost to the din of this blather. Sadly, I don't think you represent the vast majority of real conservatives, either, but you'll tar them just the same.

The day Kinsella and other lieberals stop looking down on Americans, conservatives, and western Canadian "rednecks" will be the day when they can preach about tolerance, bigotry and hate.
Hypocrites.

I love the moral equivalencies game you guys all play: legal work as a lawyer and lobbyist is some how the same as suggesting that we should just let a lot of people die of a horrible disease.

yup yup, that makes sense....

Kate,

Hate mongers like yourself are the Conservative Party of Canada's worst enemy.

If you think that your manner of speaking, and the views you hold, are welcomed even in your own party, why don't you try saying exactly what you did during an election campaign.

Just like we did to Randy White, Liberals across the country will thank you for showing Canadians the truth about who you are, and what you represent.

I'm not a member of any political party, federal or provincial

But, hey, here's an idea! - why don't you go comment on Kinsella's blog?

Oh, that's right.. He's a Liberal.

You'd need to make a "donation to the cause" to get a say in that party ....

LOL...

I'm not sure if your politically incorrect question of the day is intended as a joke but I must say that it is the most disgusting and insenstive thing I have heard in a very long time. To suggest what you have is vile and hateful and speaks volumes to the type of person you are. Immense human suffering is not a joking matter, and if you think that this virus can't spread from Africa to Canada you're living on another planet. I seem to remember SARS and Ebola appearing on this continent. Your hateful words cannot immunize you, perhaps you should return to the cave from which you emerged.

Hi Kate.

Warren is a little bit sensitive these days, huh? Seems if he has no excuses to offer for his slimey, thieving Librano buddies, he might as well spend his time attacking others.

Ciao!

Art Williams

HW: "Immense human suffering is not a joking matter"

You don't have a problem with Canada not helping Iraqis from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, though. That would take effort and force. Better to just roll over with appeasement. "It's not my problem!" A useful idiot on the world stage, is HW. Thank you, and goodnight.

Kate,

You talk about needing to make a "donation to the cause" to have my voice heard in the Liberal party.

Well, I don't think they would let me join your party, because I'm your worst nightmare - a Canadian born of mixed race ancestry (my mother is Indian from Burma, my father of Rusian heritage out of Montreal)...and wait it gets better...my father's Jewish, my mother's Catholic.

I probably wouldn't fit into your target profile.

There you go...now you have more than enough ammunition to attack my heritage of diversity.

I dare you.

And my ancestry is German, Scottish, Irish and English.

So what?

What _precisely_ about my post has anything to do with "race"?

Or is the implication being made by the critics here that the stupidity and ignorance being displayed by the Angolans attacking WHO workers trying to fight this virus is genetic?

I certainly don''t think so. Why do you?

If the same thing were occuring in Sweden, and I wrote identical words, would you accuse me of _racism_?

Do you see how knee jerk your reactions become when you disengage logic? That's exactly what political correctness feeds on and why it's so dangerous to speech in a free and democratic society. PC speech police filter what they read or hear through their own ugly brand of dehumanizing hate speech to close down meaningful debate when it doesn't fit with their ideology of moral superiority.

Kate,

You are not stupid, and therefore you know EXACTLY the conotations attached to this kind of a statement:

"Is there a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy for these people, seal off the borders and just let nature take its course?"

Or are you going to try and suggest that referring to the Angolans as "these people" is purely innocuous?

And at the same time, if you your statement has been misinterpreted as you claim, then why don'ty you explain what "let nature take its course" refers to.

Are you going to try and argue that it means anything but letting suffering people die?

Are we simply going to sit back and let "these people" mentioned in the Gomery inquiry rob us blind, procure dirty money around the province of Quebec for the benefit of themselves..and not Canada as a whole? Hell no! When I refer to "these people", what am I insinuating?

Jonathan or was it jay or justin did we get all the trudeau names ,,snort, , sounds like warren gave a speech at his old elitest private prep school and sic'd the grade 10 debating club on us here.

Jonathan you're just embarrassing yourself
What's with rolling out the pedigree papers.
Too funny!
What if we can out ethnic you, do we win some sort of higher position?
Also
Please do tell what the "conotations are"

Nice move sticking with the thieving scumbag libs as they crash and burn, didn't give that one much thought eh,

The liberals are kleptomanical thieves and your really not offended by kates remarks!
And lastly
I was going to vote liberal but can't believe how poorly you've acted here jonathan so now through your actions I'm forced to vote conservative....

"These people" are ridiculous!

Once again, I will ask this simple question:

What did you mean by "let nature take it's course"?

The ONLY way to interpret that statement is that you are suggesting that we just let people die.

Continue to divert Neocons...but eventually you will have to realize that your intolerance, hate and "morality" are your biggest weaknesses when trying to appeal to the average Canadian.

Kate, I didn't particularly take your comment to be racist. I took it to be cruel and hateful. "People dying abroad? To hell with them." seems to be your attitude. This has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with your callous disregard for human life. We're all in this together and 'sealing off the borders to let nature take its course' is - since you insist it's not a joke - a pretty disturbing policy to advocate. If the same thing happened in Sweden, and you wrote the same thing it would be equally horrid. I'm curious how far this attitude extends? In case of a Canadian health emergency - say an outbreak of ebola in a Canadian center - would you take the same stance? Were you against helping our American neighbours after 9/11? What is the radius on your peculiar breed of compassionate conservatism?

Racism was the charge that directed the majority of comments here from Kinsella's site.

As for ""People dying abroad? To hell with them."? That is not my quote. I expect you to restrain yourself to the actual text of my post, and that of the link it refers to - unlike the intellectually bankrupt comments of Kinsella who suggested it stated something it did not.

Angolans are attacking WHO workers who are there to try to stop the spread of a highly contagious and deadly virus. If they will not accept help from the only people who can offer it, if the virus is so deadly that it poses a threat to everyone in the region and beyond, then there is only one solution at the present time - and they seem to be demanding it.

If help is something they will not accept, if they threaten the safety of medical staff - the only other solution is to close the borders and let nature take its course. Some will survive, some will not. Perhaps nature will also knock some sense into them.

Kate, your comments are completely over the top, and I must say Warren's hit the nail right on the head. Let's hope we never live in your world. Reminds me of Hardin's argument of "lifeboat ethics". Let me provide you with a sample from Hardin's 1974 article:

"So here we sit, say 50 people in our lifeboat. To be generous, let us assume it has room for 10 more, making a total capacity of 60. Suppose the 50 of us in the lifeboat see 100 others swimming in the water outside, begging for admission to our boat or for handouts. We have several options: we may be tempted to try to live by the Christian ideal of being "our brother's keeper," or by the Marxist ideal of "to each according to his needs." Since the needs of all in the water are the same, and since they can all be seen as "our brothers," we could take them all into our boat, making a total of 150 in a boat designed for 60. The boat swamps, everyone drowns. Complete justice, complete catastrophe.

Since the boat has an unused excess capacity of 10 more passengers, we could admit just 10 more to it. But which 10 do we let in? How do we choose? Do we pick the best 10, "first come, first served"? And what do we say to the 90 we exclude? If we do let an extra 10 into our lifeboat, we will have lost our "safety factor," an engineering principle of critical importance. For example, if we don't leave room for excess capacity as a safety factor in our country's agriculture, a new plant disease or a bad change in the weather could have disastrous consequences.

Suppose we decide to preserve our small safety factor and admit no more to the lifeboat. Our survival is then possible although we shall have to be constantly on guard against boarding parties.

While this last solution clearly offers the only means of our survival, it is morally abhorrent to many people. Some say they feel guilty about their good luck. My reply is simple: "Get out and yield your place to others." This may solve the problem of the guilt-ridden person's conscience, but it does not change the ethics of the lifeboat. The needy person to whom the guilt-ridden person yields his place will not himself feel guilty about his good luck. If he did, he would not climb aboard. The net result of conscience-stricken people giving up their unjustly held seats is the elimination of that sort of conscience from the lifeboat."

You should be ashamed.....

I wasn't quoting you. I was summing up my impression of your attitude since you had so far refused to amplify what you meant. Your new comments expand on your intent but ignore the slippy slope of the policy you espouse. In the article the WHO spokesman states these people are afraid and need to be educated on what WHO is doing (i.e. helping them). It further goes on to quote a doctor in Johannesburg that states this is not uncommon in areas with supersititious beliefs and gave the example of Mozambique when workers fighting cholera were attacked. If it's common in these situations should the solution really be to abandon these people to disease because they are afraid? I would say no. From any reasonable or humane point of view, we should still try to help. This wasn't a government refusing aid - it was the work of a fearful and unruly few. I'm not aware of any disaster zones (whether they be created by war or nature) that are free of danger for aid workers and I commend these hereos for putting themselves in harm's way to try and help - whether it be Angola, Mozambique, Columbia or dozens of other countries I think we both could name. Should we stop feeling sympathy for these people? Absolutely not. Should we seal up the borders and let nature take its course? No, we should commend, support and encourage the valliant who spend their lives trying to help those less fortunate - whether it be in New York or Angola. Rather than musing on abandoning these people, I would advocate that someone like yourself should use their audience and influence to direct people to where they can donate money to step up the relief efforts.

"We have several options: we may be tempted to try to live by the Christian ideal of being "our brother's keeper," or by the Marxist ideal of "to each according to his needs."

That's only two, actually. And if you're tempted by the "Marxist ideal", then you'd best pick up a AK-47 and just shoot everyone in the water, like real Marxists do.

But why use a confusing and irrelevant analogy when there's a real crisis you might have solved! So far, nobody seems to be taking a whack at it.

I wonder why?

The Kinsella Underground seems endowed with plenty of enthusiasm for insults, denunciation and name calling... while proferring not a single pragmatic solution to the problem. This is not a hypothetical quiz, it's a virus with the potential to kill thousands if it escapes it's localized area. It's happening now.

So, dispense with the self-rightiousness and moral indignation and provide a solution that equals my own in effectiveness. It must contain the virus to the areas already affected, and respect the demonstrated wishes of the population who do not want our help. And you must get this in place very, very quickly.

There is no cure, so that's not in your recipe.

Please! Don't just curse the dark - light a candle. Enlighten us with your culturally sensitive, progressive and humane solution!

Don't mess with us, Kate. Just hand over the cash and we promise not to accuse you or your ilk of racism anymore. I'm not kidding around here, Kate. Hand it over.

I promise Warren won't bug you anymore if you do. That's a good girl.

You'll also note at http://www.who.int/csr/don/2005_04_08a/en/ that they have only suspended their operations and are working with the provincial authorities to work through this.

I was unable to find a specific WHO donation page for Angola, but did find several other orgnizations working in the region:
Church World Service:https://secure.churchworldservice.org/catalog/display.php?product_id=99

I also found donation information for the Red Cross at the bottom of this article on their work to help Angola in 2000:http://www.redcross.org/news/archives/2000/1-19-00.html

Kate,

You made an idiotic post. Kinsella took the time to point it out. Now you're busy justifying/clarifying/backtracking/covering your posterior and whatnot.

Just give it a rest and say you're sorry for saying such a repulsive thing.

Trying to change the tack by pointing out who Kinsella has worked for and works for currently doesn't change the sheer stupidity of your original post. It just makes you even smaller.

As for WK's stuff about Ezra, having seen his questionable sense of judgement back in our U of C days, no wonder he hired you....

Wow. Your call, to quote, to "provide a solution that equals my own in effectiveness" is pretty chilling since your solution unabashedly calls for quarantining either whole provinces or the entire nation (you are not clear) to die painfully and needlessly. This isn't a solution. It's depraved indifference. It's also naive and ineffective since there is no evidence that the government in this case - or any of the Western, Regional or Global organizations in the area - have the resources to ensure encircle the nation and prevent a single person from leaving.

The solution then is to get involved and support those working to defuse this crisis, and I renew my calls for people to donate to the effort. You will find on the Who page devoted to the crisis (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2005_04_08a/en/) that "the single most important factor in controlling viral haemorrhagic fevers is the engagement of affected communities as partners in control" and that WHO has "launched an appeal, through the United Nations, for funding to support the emergency response to this outbreak. WHO needs US$ 2.4 million to support the Ministry of Health, Angola to intensify ongoing operations in the field." I urge you again to help people get involve and support WHO's efforts in this crisis rather than turning into a contest of the pithiest ad hominem attack.

Kate wrote:

"But why use a confusing and irrelevant analogy when there's a real crisis you might have solved! So far, nobody seems to be taking a whack at it."

Kate, if you don't have the intellectual capacity to discuss Hardin's views that are scarily similar to your own, I doubt I'd be bothered wasting my time with trying to enlighten you with more progressive theories such as Fuller's Spaceship Earth philosophy. Here's a link: http://www.bfi.org/operating_manual.htm. Perhaps you should resist further postings on this subject until you've had a chance to read it.

Listen to Choo-Choo Man, Kate. Fork over the cash, and there will be no more calling you a racist. Capiche? Ahem...UNDERSTAND?

Dropping depleted uranium all over Iraq certainly proves your not a rascist. Why exactly arent you advocating walling off "those people?" Humanitarian workers were killed there as well. I guess because "those people" are sitting on a ton of oil....er....i mean freedom. Keep bringing up talking points like this ya pack o neocons. You should be in charge of the Conservative Party's campaign Kate. Would it go something like this: "Adscam, adscam, adscam, adscam, Africans deserve to die, adscam, adscam, adscam......."

I wouldn't worry about Chemical Kin-sella.

Ah... much sound and fury, a few more insults ... but still no solution forthcoming.

I'm surprised that no one has proposed the "UN Solution".

You remember - The United Nations that the Liberal government turns to for direction when Canada wants to do nothing.

That way, the intelligencia can sleep soundly at night in the assurance that when Kofi Annan throws his hands up, closes the borders and lets nature take its course, the hundreds of thousands of deaths that result are the progressive, culturally sensitive and internationalist solution that most reflects Canadian Liberal values!

Um, to quote me: "The solution then is to get involved and support those working to defuse this crisis, and I renew my calls for people to donate to the effort. You will find on the Who page devoted to the crisis (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2005_04_08a/en/) that "the single most important factor in controlling viral haemorrhagic fevers is the engagement of affected communities as partners in control" and that WHO has "launched an appeal, through the United Nations, for funding to support the emergency response to this outbreak. WHO needs US$ 2.4 million to support the Ministry of Health, Angola to intensify ongoing operations in the field." I urge you again to help people get involve and support WHO's efforts in this crisis rather than turning into a contest of the pithiest ad hominem attack." I believe that also brings the United Nations into it for you. So will you be putting up links to help collect donations or will you just insult and belittle people insead?

The liberal answer again is money to OUR left wing wackos and we'll make sure the Angolan ministry of health will get it.
Leave the envelope and your problem will disappear.
Liberal nomind fighting sheep.
Hey jay sorry grouped you incorrectly earlier

did anyone else catch the reason the residents of Angola were attacking WHO -- that is was out of fear that WHO were spreading the virus. Would we not do the same if we had the same fear, rightly or wrongly? Should they really not be pitied? If there ever is "a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy" (perish the thought), then this certainly ain't it, Kate.

Does anyboday else wonder why Warren Kinsella does not have any commenting on his website. It is much easier to sling mud and accusations at others and let the proverbial chips fall where they may. The best analogy is to buy a cow and put it in the neighbor's back yard. That way you don't have to deal with any mess.

Kinsella's preface to linking to this post is framed so that anyone who reads the post by way of his site, could have no other opinion than what is evidenced here.

It sure beats having people read and develop their own opinion which may not agree with what he thinks.

As someone who has voted for Liberal candidates in the past, the bluster and attitude of Liberal supporters has scared me towards those dangerous conservatives.

Don't miss the point. When someone does not want your help, at what point do you just back off and let them find out that you could have helped them. Liberals do not have the market cornered on compassion, but certainly don't have even a share in terms of logic.

So, is it a coincidence that out of all the conservative blogosphere that might upset him, Warren just happens to point out a blog that pantsed him? Ha. And to that might I had, ha! The man's ego must be downright brittle.

OTOH, although I see (after some explaination) the point Kate was trying to make, honey, you were just an idiot for the way you wrote it up. Can't say I blame Warren; you leave an opening that big, it would be almost unthinkable not to exploit it. Sloppy on your part Kate.

Why does WK try to smear the CPC with something written here on SDA? I really don't see the connection at all. Can I now go out and find something stupid on babble (wouldn't take long) and use it to smear grits or dippers?

Well, I could, but that would be stupid and everyone would yawn and move on. Kinda like what should happen to good ole WK's feeble attack.

Warren's just acting out. I think Chuck Guite is coming up on the witness stand. He may spill out why Warren told Public Works to hire him - specifically to change the rules underwhich advertising contracts were awarded.

Yeah, read that paragraph again.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1095307860595_90717060?s_name=&no_ads=

Just imagine.. if it weren't for Warren Kinsella, the man "he'd walk through walls for", Jean Chretien, wouldn't face the prospect of going down in history as Canada's most corrupt prime minister.

That's only a guess though.

Oh, and a matter of factual inaccuracy: I am not the "administrator" of the Shotgun blog.

Ahhhh....smell the fear in Liberal Hearts. It smells like "victory in the morning" :)

Notice how desperate and even more vitriolic the Liberals become when they're frightened? Lovely.

The LIbs aren't afraid Harper will "destroy" canada.....they're worried that Harper will actually do as he promised, and OPEN THE BOOKS to the Auditor General. When the public realizes that ADSCAM is just one program amongst many, meant to funnel money to the Liberal Party and their friends.....the LIberal Party is dead as an entity. Also.....the Libs are not worried that they won't be allowed to enact legislation from behind the Government benches....they're worried that they'll be sitting behind bars because they've already BROKEN the laws on the books.

Smell that???......those poll numbers smell a lot like VICTORY don't they? Ahhh.....

Breath deep my Liberal friends....breath deep.

Sorry, I didn't understand Kate's last post about the UN. Or maybe I didn't understand her original post about the Angolans. Is she for or against people dying in Angola? The WHO is a UN agency; is this the "UN solution" which Kate finds so offensive? Or is she against the Angolans who are against the "UN solution"? And now that the WHO workers are back in Angola helping Angolans, is that a good or bad thing for Kate? Please help me, I'm retarded and not used to all this sophisticated debate on the internets.

Why bother, ottawonk? It's pretty obvious these people don't give a damn about Angola or anything else that doesn't involve the Gomery Commission or Warren Kinsella. In their world, apparently, glib advocations to genocide are perfectly acceptable and don't need to be defended.

Kate will be sorry to hear the genocide will not be necessary.

WHO resumes work in Angola. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2005/04/11/991715.html

Health workers who left western Angola after they were attacked by residents fearful of a deadly Ebola-like virus have resumed efforts to contain the disease, the World Health Organization said.

Residents in Uige province had mistakenly feared the WHO teams were spreading — instead of helping contain — the rare Marburg virus, which has killed 184 people out of a total 200 people infected, WHO’s spokesman in Angola, Dave Daigle, told the Associated Press by phone.

“Three teams have already resumed activities and are now following up on anyone who had contact with infected people recently,” Daigle said.

I see a whole hockey-sock of inexplicably self-righteous people have injured themselves in their attempts to leap to bizarre heights of imagined moral ascendancy.

One of the solutions to an outbreak of disease you can do nothing to halt, or are prevented from halting, is to quarantine the affected population and allow the disease to burn itself out. I suppose "seal off the borders" is an insensitive substitution for "quarantine", and likewise "let nature take it's course" for "allow the disease to burn itself out". But there's nothing genocidal about it, no matter how much the language offends your rose-petal ears. Or does the rose-petal language help you pretend to ignore the brutal truth of what is meant in human terms if such a drastic medical step might be taken?

I can't sympathize with the victims because I can't even begin to imagine their circumstances, but I do pity them.

And how do you translate 'Perhaps nature will also knock some sense into them' into kinder terms, lrC. Wondering when we're allowed to lose sympathy for these people was a callous and cruel thing to post and instead of doing the right thing and apologizing - or even trying to help by posting links where people can donate to the cause - Kate tries to defend it by saying that Warren Kinsella is also bad.

Here's a response that is way over the top. So WHO aid workers that are trying to help but are attacked instead should not even question whether it's personally worth it to put themselves at risk to help someone who would possibly not only infect them, but may also physically injure them? Should the WHO workers forge ahead no matter what risks? How? At bayonet point? Is there no point where a WHO worker has the right to beg off? Get her point now?

Wow, more moral melodrama than an episode of classic “Degrassi”. The concerned Liberals had best be on the lookout for a CBC “pathetic melodrama infringement suit”.

I’m sure our righteous betters came to Kate’s site after pledging their hard earned dollars to Angolan relief measures and were understandably aghast at the notion of someone undermining the work of their generosity…or not.

As P.J. O’Rourke noted, "Man developed in Africa. He has not continued to do so there." The problems in Africa…famine, disease, barbarity, are largely due to corrupt African leaders keeping their people poor, underfed and violent in the spirit of tribalistic power.

The left will of course argue that we have no right in interfering with the natural order of corrupt dictators, as they argued against the intervention in Iraq. They will instead argue that our “government” not the people should just send dollars…despite the fact that these dollars are gobbled up in “foreign aid” corruption as fast as “oil for food dollars” or “fountains for Shawinigen” dollars.

Sure…let the corrupt tribalism succeed, send in innocent workers to be killed by factions that could give a flying furnace about the fate of their fellow man; a lack of compassion, completely consistent with the rot of modern liberalism…a lack of regard for the individual.

To conclude, an exercise to further piss off the “concerned” Liberals in our midst…an excerpt from a little classic Kipling,

“Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.”

(In this context and in other words…lets go kill some WHO aid workers)

My $0.02:
1) To answer groovy-on-granville "Why does WK try to smear the CPC with something written here on SDA? I really don't see the connection at all" --Warren points to the connection because of the official Conservative logo and "Conservative Blogger" caption that used to be on this site...However it now appears to have been taken off.

2) Kate, if anything you should thank Warren for the link because I estimate you got more visits to this ridiculous blog in one day following that link then ever before.

3) I understand your original post, and agree it was poorly worded, but not quite as bad as Warren makes it out to be.

"I estimate you got more visits to this ridiculous blog in one day following that link then ever before."

Your estimate is a little off.

Best day this week was last Tuesday, with around 40,000 visits. That was a spike from the Gomery coverage.

So far, there have been over 3500 visits to SDA today, with about 5% of those coming from the link you followed.
The vast majority come in the main page. That usually indicates a regular reader.

Just a hunch, but I've probably sent more people to Warren's site to read what he wrote about me, than he has sent here.

Also - I have not altered any of the logos, or the layout of this site for a couple of weeks, including the removal of any references to "conservative bloggers". Didn't exist in the first place.

There are images and feeds that come in from remote sources that sometimes change or even drop off if they are malfunctioning.

The "Blogging Tories" is a automated blogroll of unaffilaited, but conservative and liberatarian bloggers that refreshes wtih new entries so readers can track which sites have the fresh content.

You'll notice it includes Captain's Quarters, who is based in Minneapolis and probably would consider himself a Republican.

Perhaps that will clear up any confusion for people unfamilar with the technology common to fully functioning system-integrated blogs.

Wow. Ignorant, hateful comments and then not even a hint of apology. Looks like ol' Warren was right.

(removed at writer's request.)

Thoroughly disgusting but equally unsurprising coming from Conservative supporters. What's great is that this is the same thread that critisizes Liberals for not having comments on their blogs...

Hey Kate, you'll never guess who's threatening to sue me over my last post. Seems old Warren loves lying in the most hateful and offensive way, but he gets awfully leery when something comes back at him. I note he isn't denying it. He also doesn't seem interested in where I heard it from, which seems pretty careless. Gosh, I hope nothing happens to his kids.

I can't find an edit function, so when you get the chance, perhaps you can edit out my previous post. He can sue me to his little heart's content for all the good it'll do him, but there's no reason to let him get you in trouble. Especially since he's defamed you in pretty clear terms.

Kate,
Just wishing you well. I can understand your lack of patience when violence against rescuers is reported. Blunt words bring out blunt responses.
If the victims believe WHO is spreading the disease, who is spreading that tale? Why can't WHO quarantine the area until the violence stops? Can't you see the headlines" WHO forced to fire on victimes in order to save the victims."

Well, you can also see why the vile tribal regimes in which ignorance and superstition fester in places like Angola are so popular with with the likes of Warren, and his oil and blood-soaked friends at the United Nations.

Without places like Iraq, Angola, the Sudan, there'd be no four star hotels for the fact finding diplomats, no blood and oil soaked riches to suck from aid programs.

No successful money laundering template for Liberal Party organizers and hacks to follow...

Heh.

Is it today or tomorrow that he's being forced to testify?

Warren? Care to answer?

Ignorant, hateful, and a coward to boot.

Were my earlier comments so critical that you couldn't bear the thought of people reading them?

Anyone can say something stupid. The fool is the one who refuses to listen to fair criticism.

How to prove that someone like Warren Kinsella appears to be a vile racist, the “liberal” way: (see disclaimer below)

1. We “know” Warren is a monster.
2. Warren seems to support violence (and possible killing) of innocent WHO teams trying to save the lives of Angolans, because he viciously opposes and distorts Kate’s proposal to save the lives of WHO team members so they can save people that won’t kill them. Warren also appears to oppose quarantines in the case of Africa since he trashed Kate’s suggestion of sealing borders. Since quarantines are known frequently effective in stopping the spread of disease and death, he must want many black Africans to die.
3. This would seem to mean he hates Angolans and presumably Africans in general and he seems to wants them to die.
4. Therefore Warren appears to be an evil monster who is also a racist.
5. We are appalled at the people who would associate with this creature. Surely they are not too all bad like him? Surely the industry group that hired him as lobbyist will not wish to be associated with a vile creature such as this?

See how easy it is?
1. Assume your political opponent is a monster.
2. Distort their position
3. Draw specious conclusions based on the worst possible interpretations of (2). This is allowed because of the assumption in (1).
4. Smear away! Your opponent is racist/evil/ignorant/vicious/fill in the blank.
5. Optionally wring your hands in an attempt to harm the individual’s financial, social or employment status.

For those paying attention, this is exactly what Warren has done to Kate.

Of course, in tossing off “Whorin’ Warren” as a line, Kate could hardly expect kid glove treatment from the “James Carville” of Canada.

DISCLAIMER:
And, no, Kate does not appear to be remotely a racist to me. In Warren’s case, I believe he’s every bit as much a racist as Kate is; i.e. I don’t believe any the left-wing style smear logic of the first set of points above.

The leftist people who show up here assuming racism just boggle my mind. They’re all set to smear and sneer without for a moment thinking through the consequences. I’m relieved that the WHO and MSF (DWB) are going back in, and I hope they’ll be safe. But the idea that I took from Kate’s original post – that attacking (and potentially killing) medical teams has to be stopped is bang on.

People have a right to self determination. You can hope education will work, but if they insist on not being helped, and react with violence when you try to assist then there comes a point where you have to say “OK, good luck, we won’t interfere, we’ll just quarantine the area”. Or do the leftists support some form of soft-racist neo-colonialism?

Three final things: First, Mr. Kinsella’s got a right to earn a living. Perhaps if he actually associates with people who actually produce something other than hot-air and paper, he’ll learn the idiocies of Liberal approaches such as Kyoto. I think Kate’s dig at him was as fair as things I’ve seen on his website, but that’s not saying much.

Second, EBT, glad you removed your post. It was terrible; it reminded me of the kind of baseless smear (i.e. Warren supports certain activities) I’d expect to see elsewhere. Responding to liberal smears with hardcore attacks back is a really bad idea. It may give a moments satisfaction, but it’s just descending to their level.

Finally, looks like a nice blog; thank you for blogging, Kate. I’ve visited quite a few times before, but I think I’ll make a habit of doing so more regularly (and perhaps lurking less).

Holmwood

I removed EBT's comment at his request, but would have anyway. With the volume the site is getting, I do end up deleting a few. The only other one is a comment someone left pimping another site.

It's too bad the "critics" have so little in their debating arsenal. Apparently someone has given them the mistaken impression that namecalling constitutes a logical argument.

You complain that no one offers arguments, and when detailed arguments are offered, you silence the critics and accuse them of link pimping.

And you would have us believe that there is anything waiting for your "critics" but more lame excuses?

Something tells me I could have written a treatise on why you are wrong and you would have complained about the font.

EBT…I don’t know what you wrote but from Kate’s and others comments it appears to have been over the top.

That said, if you have proof that your comments are based in fact and were not delivered with malicious intent, I would answer Whore’n Warren’s threat of a libel suit with a two word response rhyming with duck boff.

That thin-skinned Chretien apologist has threatened libel suits more than once…I’d love to hear him argue that he incurred meaningful damage to his reputation from an anonymous blog rant.

Not knowing the facts, or for that matter not really having more than a cursory understanding of Canadian libel law I’d predict that you would walk away with costs.

What EBT wrote was over the top. At least Kate had the good sense to delete it...although I'm still wondering what exactly she meant when she talked about letting "nature take its course."

Actually, what I wrote was no more offensive than an accusation of racism. Warren just can't take it when someone operates at his level.

The stupidest thing Warren could possibly do would be to sue me. I don't want to say more because it might discourage him. But if he thinks organizing hate mail campaigns is amusing, I'm ready and willing to give him some lessons in advanced fun. All he has to do is give me the opportunity.