February 9, 2005
Bring Our Al Qaeda Home! PtII
CTV;
Lawyers for a Canadian teenager imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay say it's put up or shut up time for the U.S. government, which they further claim has abused Omar Khadr.
(Put up or shut up? The only thing missing is the "or else..."..)
"One of Canada's children has been tortured by the United States," said Muneer Ahmad, a Washington-based lawyer. He visited with Omar for four days in November.
Thankyou for the update and confirming our fondest hopes. I guess there's no point in sending those clubs, eh? A reader emails;
My favourite line is from his mother "This could happen to any Canadian child". Yeah, right. This could happen to me only if I'd been trained by the Taliban, laid landmines (didn't Canada take a strong anti-landmine position a la Axworthy?), and shot and killed an American soldier. I'm not too worried about landing in Gitmo any time soon. Are you?
Nope. Posted by Kate at February 9, 2005 8:38 PM
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Tracked on February 17, 2005 3:42 PM
I believe his father and brother have also been involved in osama's activity so this is no innocent family.
Posted by: pacemakerdoug at February 9, 2005 9:24 PM*sigh*
Posted by: howie meeker at February 9, 2005 10:02 PMThe parents should be happy that their little fucker is still alive and wasn't a gimme for the 10th Mountain Dvision.
Posted by: howie meeker at February 9, 2005 10:04 PMHuman Mop!!!!Bwaaaaaa haaaaaaaahhahahahahahahahah
That's poetic!
Now
Kill him.
If you really want him to die in the war we should dress him up like a journalist in Fallujah. According to Eason, American troops can't miss!
Posted by: Bacardi Breezer at February 9, 2005 11:42 PMWas that photo taken in Canada? These people are "barking moonbats" in every sense of the term. It is their type that will be the death of us all.
If Omar wants to know what torture really is, he should try an extended stay under the hospitality of Saddam or the Taliban.
Posted by: Bill Strong at February 10, 2005 1:28 AMApologists for Terror. What else is there to say; Al-Qaeda is employing the "divide and conquer" strategy and it's working. Actually, one more point. After looking at the picture of the bleeding-heart apologists I thought "you know Islamic terrorists wouldn't think twice about killing every single one of them."
Posted by: James West at February 10, 2005 1:41 AMPlease, please reassure me that photo is a fake. Those can't be REAL Canadians.
Say it ain't so!
I may just have to stay in the UK after all.
Posted by: JJM at February 10, 2005 5:13 AMOh c'mon. It's Photoshop-ped.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at February 10, 2005 9:29 AMNo sympathy for the Khadr parents, but I'm disturbed by the ease with which so many people are willing to accept arbitrary detention, improsment without charge or due process and allegations of torture.
If the terrorists are able to turn us into the kind of society which accepts such things we have given them a kind of victory. I refuse to surrender my principles.
Posted by: A Hermit at February 10, 2005 9:47 AMI should start a category documenting jackalopes...
It's not even a _good_ "photoshop" op-ed....
Posted by: Kate at February 10, 2005 11:06 AMFake photo. No head-tilt.
yep, the banner's pretty shaky, though the Canadian flag behind it seems even wonkier, along with the yob holding it. Is that Michael Jackson under the hood?
Posted by: JSAllison at February 10, 2005 11:51 AMFake but true?
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at February 10, 2005 11:55 AMYou don't believe in Jackalopes? Hey, I saw a stuffed one once.
Really.
Posted by: Jay at February 10, 2005 12:17 PMFake but true indeed. It looks like the Courier font (non-proportional, and no superscripts). Is Gunga Dan and seeBS behind this?
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at February 10, 2005 1:01 PMAt best the man is a POW, lawfully interned for the duration. Under the Geneva, he still could be and should be shot. Then send his Canadian family a bill for room, board and the bullet.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at February 10, 2005 1:52 PMThat's what I'll never understand, a REAL soldier is captured and he'll be locked up for a day maybe, or he'll be locked up for life (in effect) or he'll be locked up for somewhere in between - he doesn't know. He's there until it's over and nobody ever questions that.
Why should these people at Gitmo be treated with more rights than soldiers?
Posted by: Jay at February 10, 2005 3:13 PM"Why should these people at Gitmo be treated with more rights than soldiers?" - Posted by Jay at February 10, 2005 03:13 PM
The question is why should they be treated with any rights at all?
We're talking about indefinite detentions and apparently torture with no charges, no hearing, no evidence, no appeal, no representation.
And this is commonly justified with the argument that the detainees are "illegal combatants" or "terrorists". To which I reply; and we know this because...?
So the answer to your question is, just because someone in the government says you're guilty doesn't make you guilty enough to justify stripping you of your basic human rights. I would expect real conservatives to understand that...
Posted by: A Hermit at February 10, 2005 5:03 PMPhoto fake...not fake...in this case the truth is irrelevant...it is demonstrative of an attitude that is pervasive in our neighbors to the North.
If Israel gets this Palestinian thing settled, do you think they'll ship us their FENCE? Cause we're going to need it ... between Canadian immigrant policy and Canadian political persuasion, WE ARE DOOMED IF WE DON'T GET A FENCE NOW!
Posted by: Maggie at February 10, 2005 5:48 PMWE ARE DOOMED IF WE DON'T GET A FENCE NOW!Hopefully with sites like sda giving exposure to madness like this (our left-leaning media won't do it), then we Canucks will do the right thing (vote) and get the country to change course. Then you won't need to build that fence! Posted by: Bill Strong at February 10, 2005 6:19 PM
Actually I tend to agree with A Hermit on the unproven allegations. Any human being should at least have the right to a fair trial. If he's innocent (and I don't believe that to be true) then he shouldn't be there, but he should at least be provided the opportunity to defend himself against his accusers. If he's guilty however I don't really care what they do with him. The court doesn't have to have the same burden of rules as our civilian courts, but at least proof of his guilt would be nice. After he's found guilty either one shot to the head, or indefinite detention with torture every day wouldn't bother me in the least. At least the soldiers there would never have to go to WalMart to buy a mop!
Posted by: Bacardi Breezer at February 10, 2005 7:59 PMOkay, so try them. Enough of them have been released the ones left are likely not of questionable guilt. Try them, find them guilty of murder and terrorism, and send them back to Gitmo for 20-30 year sentences. Or better, put them in a regular prison like Leavenworth - I doubt terrorists would last as long as Dahmer did.
If I were one of them, I'd rather have "indefinite" hanging over my head than 20-30 in Gitmo or some other prison.
Posted by: Jay at February 10, 2005 10:46 PM"Okay, so try them. Enough of them have been released the ones left are likely not of questionable guilt. "
Well, there's a problem there now; with all the allegations of torture (and, sorry to say, there's better evidence to support those allegations than there is of any wrongdoing on the part of the detainees) any legitimate court would have to throw out any charges that are brought against them now.
This is the other part of the torture issue that too many "war on terror" cheerleaders are missing; it DOESN"T WORK! You can get anyone to confess to anything if you make them suffer enough. So none of the information extracted at Gitmo can be considered to be reliable in a ny sense.
And let me say this again; it is very disturbing to me, and should be to anyone who truly values the principles of individual liberty and universal human rights, how quickly and easily so many people have embraced the idea that things like arbitrary detention, suspension of rights on the basis of Presidential decree and torture are acceptable tools of the State. I don't use the "F" word lightly, but those are the methods of Fascists and Communists, not of the forces of democracy.
Posted by: A Hermit at February 11, 2005 12:39 PMOops, hit "post" too quickly...should have said "there's better evidence to support those allegations than there is of any wrongdoing on the part of many of the detainees)"
Posted by: A Hermit at February 11, 2005 12:40 PMBill Strong, heroic Canuck.....Ah, you made my weekend...I'll leave a little gap in the US/Canadian Fence so y'all can come down and visit.
You are my "Mountie" in clear thought, good buddy, glad to know we have some hope up North!
Posted by: Maggie at February 11, 2005 6:27 PMMinnesota photograph. Guy on right holding green Wellstone sign. Guy upper middle left wearing University of Minnesota hat and matching jacket.
Posted by: kemp at February 18, 2005 9:28 PM