The experts keeping things on track in space seem to have a better record than those dealing with earthly things
Interesting wordplay with “retiring” instead of “breaking down”.
I’m not surprised. 12 years ago I installed solar panels because I got a huge amount of money if I did. After about 2 years, I noticed that some of the individual wafers were displaying corrosion on the conductive traces you see on the front of a solar cell. The corrosion appeared as fine lines which led me to believe the silicon wafer had developed a crack. That was fast for something promised to last 20 years.
I moved so I have no idea of their current state.
Imagine the integrated problem of a deteriorating solar panel sitting on top of a roof covered with deteriorating shingles.
And if the shingles need to be replaced, you have the added cost of taking the solar panels down and then reinstalling them (which likely will not happen)
And drill into that new roof & singles. Bad idea.
Steve
In WA state, if you install solar on your single roof. The roofer will void their work. They only allow them on steel roofing.
Also on that link in the comments:
(filter eats all my links) look for comment from @StanVoWales
“Just like COVID – THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY IS OVER!!
IPCC Admits Many of its Gloomy Climate Forecasts Are of “Low Likelihood”
Interesting thing about the solar not lasting as long as expected is it also changes the calculation of energy return on energy invested.
There is a reason solar panel plants do not run on solar panels. They do not produce enough energy over their lives to manufacture themselves. They are essentially just unpredictable batteries. We would be better off having China recharge batteries for our grid than using their solar panels, at least we could predict the supply.
In Florida, it has become almost impossible to get homeowners insurance if you have solar panels on your house. Let alone if you have a shingle roof over 10 years old.
Evidently, after 2 Hurricanes last year, the underwriters have discovered how vulnerable solar panels are to hurricane force winds.
My neighbor was a prime example. He was forced to install a new roof ($35k) by the insurer in order to requalify for insurance coverage. He did so and upon reinstatement of coverage, he placed solar panels back onto his roof and they terminated his coverage.
Agreed. There’s lots of this happening, and not just in Florida. Solar panels add greatly to the risk of rooftop fires via wiring insulation failures. This is why Walmart has stripped of their solar panels off their stores after a number of roof fires. Because of the weight of solar panels its entirely unclear that older rooftops can bear the added weight.
How many 20YR life LED bulbs has the avg home owner replaced within the first year of use? My own experience is roughly 20%. I doubt ANY of those LED bulbs will make 20YR’s of life. So if LED bulb advertising is turning out to be a lie why should anyone be surprised about the advertising around solar panel longevity also being similarly overstated?
Driving home from nightshift it’s interesting to see the many LED lights on the malls flashing failure that were changed less than a month prior.
The diode lasts 20 years. The other, 10-for-a-penny Chinese made components that are equally necessary for continued operation not so much.
This. My apartment building changed all the fixtures to some two-pronged thing so you can’t put incandescents in. The LED bulbs they give me burn out once or more a month. The A19 LED bulbs I bought at Canadian Tire last for years.
People are upset that the told lifespan is nowhere close to actual lifespan. Do you not want your purchases to last as long as you were told they would? Panels aren’t cheap and they have to at least pay for themselves before wearing out.
Landfill? I send lots to landfill. My bin is emtied weekly, just cut the big stuff up so it fits with the lid closed.
We pay to recycle our tires as we are FORCED to pay upfront when we buy tires, it is not optional.
I still can’t determine if this is a parody account but imagine buying a new car every year because they’re getting cheaper every year. And because your new car is greener than the car you bought last year, you’re helping the environment. The logic is staggeringly simple.
These facts you speak of, do they come directly from the government experts or are they hatched within you own head? The bottom line here, Buttercup, is that government experts LIE, schocker what! It is the only reason for their existence. They lie to push a government tax policy that has an insatiable appetite to gouge more and more money out of your purse. The very best part of it is that all you Buttercups, Petunias, Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds and Karens believe every lie that is presented. Your grasp of facts are like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, figments of a mind benumbed from listening to government experts who’s only existence is to push the next big lie from the government to suck more of your money out of your control. I truly weep for Western Civilization when I read comments like yours for it drives home the point that we have passed the summit of our endeavour and are now on the Roller Coaster to Hell. and the majority are yelling “Faster, Faster!!!!”
And then there are the batteries… when will they figure out that “recycling” the rechargeable batteries that make solar panels somewhat useful when the sun doesn’t shine will cost vastly more than would mining and refining those raw materials from the earth.
Very few recycling operations will actually save any money or result in higher quality end products than would result from landfilling the used products and building the new products from raw materials.
Original comment here:
https://twitter.com/bf_nagy/status/1657498637172129800
Thanks for highlighting this, Kate.
Best to you and yours,
w.
Whaaat? You mean the EXPERTS got Something Wrong?
The experts keeping things on track in space seem to have a better record than those dealing with earthly things
Interesting wordplay with “retiring” instead of “breaking down”.
I’m not surprised. 12 years ago I installed solar panels because I got a huge amount of money if I did. After about 2 years, I noticed that some of the individual wafers were displaying corrosion on the conductive traces you see on the front of a solar cell. The corrosion appeared as fine lines which led me to believe the silicon wafer had developed a crack. That was fast for something promised to last 20 years.
I moved so I have no idea of their current state.
Imagine the integrated problem of a deteriorating solar panel sitting on top of a roof covered with deteriorating shingles.
And if the shingles need to be replaced, you have the added cost of taking the solar panels down and then reinstalling them (which likely will not happen)
And drill into that new roof & singles. Bad idea.
Steve
In WA state, if you install solar on your single roof. The roofer will void their work. They only allow them on steel roofing.
Also on that link in the comments:
(filter eats all my links) look for comment from @StanVoWales
“Just like COVID – THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY IS OVER!!
IPCC Admits Many of its Gloomy Climate Forecasts Are of “Low Likelihood”
Interesting thing about the solar not lasting as long as expected is it also changes the calculation of energy return on energy invested.
There is a reason solar panel plants do not run on solar panels. They do not produce enough energy over their lives to manufacture themselves. They are essentially just unpredictable batteries. We would be better off having China recharge batteries for our grid than using their solar panels, at least we could predict the supply.
In Florida, it has become almost impossible to get homeowners insurance if you have solar panels on your house. Let alone if you have a shingle roof over 10 years old.
Evidently, after 2 Hurricanes last year, the underwriters have discovered how vulnerable solar panels are to hurricane force winds.
My neighbor was a prime example. He was forced to install a new roof ($35k) by the insurer in order to requalify for insurance coverage. He did so and upon reinstatement of coverage, he placed solar panels back onto his roof and they terminated his coverage.
Agreed. There’s lots of this happening, and not just in Florida. Solar panels add greatly to the risk of rooftop fires via wiring insulation failures. This is why Walmart has stripped of their solar panels off their stores after a number of roof fires. Because of the weight of solar panels its entirely unclear that older rooftops can bear the added weight.
How many 20YR life LED bulbs has the avg home owner replaced within the first year of use? My own experience is roughly 20%. I doubt ANY of those LED bulbs will make 20YR’s of life. So if LED bulb advertising is turning out to be a lie why should anyone be surprised about the advertising around solar panel longevity also being similarly overstated?
Driving home from nightshift it’s interesting to see the many LED lights on the malls flashing failure that were changed less than a month prior.
The diode lasts 20 years. The other, 10-for-a-penny Chinese made components that are equally necessary for continued operation not so much.
This. My apartment building changed all the fixtures to some two-pronged thing so you can’t put incandescents in. The LED bulbs they give me burn out once or more a month. The A19 LED bulbs I bought at Canadian Tire last for years.
People are upset that the told lifespan is nowhere close to actual lifespan. Do you not want your purchases to last as long as you were told they would? Panels aren’t cheap and they have to at least pay for themselves before wearing out.
Landfill? I send lots to landfill. My bin is emtied weekly, just cut the big stuff up so it fits with the lid closed.
We pay to recycle our tires as we are FORCED to pay upfront when we buy tires, it is not optional.
I still can’t determine if this is a parody account but imagine buying a new car every year because they’re getting cheaper every year. And because your new car is greener than the car you bought last year, you’re helping the environment. The logic is staggeringly simple.
These facts you speak of, do they come directly from the government experts or are they hatched within you own head? The bottom line here, Buttercup, is that government experts LIE, schocker what! It is the only reason for their existence. They lie to push a government tax policy that has an insatiable appetite to gouge more and more money out of your purse. The very best part of it is that all you Buttercups, Petunias, Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds and Karens believe every lie that is presented. Your grasp of facts are like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, figments of a mind benumbed from listening to government experts who’s only existence is to push the next big lie from the government to suck more of your money out of your control. I truly weep for Western Civilization when I read comments like yours for it drives home the point that we have passed the summit of our endeavour and are now on the Roller Coaster to Hell. and the majority are yelling “Faster, Faster!!!!”
And then there are the batteries… when will they figure out that “recycling” the rechargeable batteries that make solar panels somewhat useful when the sun doesn’t shine will cost vastly more than would mining and refining those raw materials from the earth.
Very few recycling operations will actually save any money or result in higher quality end products than would result from landfilling the used products and building the new products from raw materials.