Petro-Canada issues huge EV charging fee increase across the country;
Plugging in and charging on Petro-Canada’s Electric Highway just got a lot more expensive for EV owners. Instead of billing owners at differing rates in each province, the oil giant has now instituted a flat rate across the country.
According to the Petro-Canada website, the standard EV charging fee for all of Canada is now $0.50 per minute.
I think, based on the fast-charge rates of up to 350kW, that it’s still a bargain compared to our residential electricity costs. The EV folks still aren’t paying their fair share, and the rest of us are subsidizing them.
Check my math, folks.
That was my thought exactly. At 10 or 12 cents a kilowatt hour, fifty cents wouldn’t cover 5000 watts.
“Up to”
How many chargers out there on their network hit that rate consistently? Bet it’s a lot less than EV proponents would like to believe.
It’s hard to say without having the exact pricing details from PC. Most cars cannot handle charging at 350 kW, that’s a lot of juice. Plus, how many chargers at at a station, how many cars are simultaneously charging, etc….the grid is not a rubber band.
So, I’d simply say I cannot comment on the price without more details, sounds like a tyipical PR friendly press release. Plus, charging a price per min for something which is normally charged in a completely different unit sounds like total BS, someone is trying to hide something.
However, NR can is the primary supporter of PC charging stations, some-one should dig through NRCan budget and see what spills out.
Of course we’re subsidizing EVs.
We subsidize the purchase price, and sometimes subsidize charging. And I’m not aware of EVs paying anything for road maintenance.
It’s Justin and Jagmeet’s taking from the poor and give to the rich.
exactly correct……….I SAY NO MORE SUBSIDIES……….
Only Saskatchewan charges an annual fee for EV owners that chips in for road maintenance. It is not nearly as much as what the rest of us pay in gasoline taxes.
They found the Canadian media model served them well, and so decided to apply it in other areas.
Charging times for electric vehicles isn’t something I am familiar with. This article is from spring 2022.
“Charging stations come in three different types: Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3. A Level 1 charging station uses a 120-volt outlet and can charge an electric car in 8 to 10 hours. A Level 2 charging station uses a 240-volt outlet and can charge an electric car in 4 to 8 hours. A Level 3 charging station, also known as a DC fast charger, uses a 480-volt outlet. And it can charge an electric car in 30 minutes to 1 hour.”
https://carsofelectric.com/how-long-does-it-take-to-charge-an-electric-car-at-a-charging-station/
It would be interesting to compare the charging cost per miles of distance for eCars to miles per gallon of a similar car with an internal combustion engine.
Note : the UK just announced a per mile charge for electric vehicles for road maintenance and repair.
” Note : the UK just announced a per mile charge for electric vehicles for road maintenance and repair. ” Good it is about time, I have asked numerous Manitoba Government Departments when EV users are going to pay their fair share for driving on our gas tax built roads ?? I get crickets or they send a steaming pile of politician talk ” I am writing in response to your recent email regarding the registration of electric
vehicles and concerns of gas prices.
We recognize that costs have been increasing due to inflation on every day essentials
such as gas. The Manitoba government continues to work on providing tax relief to all
Manitobans, businesses and organizations. Gas increases have effectively doubled in the
past year and the government is holding the line on fuel taxes because fuel tax is based
entirely on volume, regardless of the pump price.
With regard to the City of Winnipeg providing electric charging stations in some of their
parks for electric vehicles, I note that the City of Winnipeg is governed by the City of Winnipeg
Charter and Municipal Act in Manitoba and has the authority to make decisions about
municipal operations to meet the needs of their citizens. This includes the authority to make
decisions about City of Winnipeg parks. For more information, I encourage you to visit the City
of Winnipeg public engagement site at Engage Winnipeg.
The Government of Manitoba recognizes the importance of all vehicle owners role in
keeping our roads safe. Having said that, please note that the registration of electric vehicles
falls under the jurisdiction of Manitoba Public Insurance (MPI) Please visit their website at
Manitoba Public Insurance (mpi.mb.ca) for further information.” Pass the buck to someone else.
Exactly. EV users are on road maintenance welfare. They should also be paying an emergency fee for the extra danger they present to the public and fire/emergency services.
” A Level 3 charging station, also known as a DC fast charger, uses a 480-volt outlet. And it can charge an electric car in 30 minutes to 1 hour.”
And the faster you charge a battery, the harder it is on that battery.
Oh, some people will try to tell you that it’s exactly the same, but they are either ignorant of the facts or being deliberately deceptive (if they happen to be trying to sell you a fast charger at the time). Fast charging creates more heat, and heat is the enemy of anything electrical.
is there someone with better search skills than me?
I looked but couldn’t verify the rate of charge. I.E., how many Kilowatt hours per minute.
Different stations will have different capabilities as will different EV’s.
I’ve read that to charge an EV from empty to full, at a charging station, can take up to 8 hours. with a 7kW charging point. That’s a tidy sum.
If … ANYONE … recharged their fancy golf carts to 100% at charging stations … there’d be a line 5-miles long waiting to charge … and most of those batteries would run dead before ever reaching the hookup
hahahaha, ISN’T THAT THE TRUTH………..EV’s are suck a gimmick…….very poor transportation in -40C Canadian WINTERS……quite the joke for sure
That’s $240. on an 8 hour charge…which begs to question how far will it take you?
Certainly not 8 hours of distance…how much does the lighting, radio and heating get you as well?
And how far can a 10 minute fill take you?
Hoping the next charger hasn’t someone else on it.
I wish gas at PC came at .50 cents/minute….a 10 minute fill would be $5……
wouldn’t that be nice, especially IF WE COULD GET SUBSIDIZED JUST LIKE THE EV’S
And this was supposed to be the more economical option.
It’s not like those Congolese kids are getting paid anything, so …
My Model Y gets 60 km of range on a 12 hour charge at home.
We are in the country and so far our solar array is able to sustain this until around mid October when we had to start importing from the grid. Our panels are all used and almost free in cost with an efficiency of about 12 %. Batteries are new and work well.
So far I’m pretty pleased with how it’s worked out. Lots of local sceptics (including me) are seeing the benefits. I like not being under the thumb of big utilities and whack job dictators telling me the price of oil. That was
My main rationale for doing it was freedom and independence not the economics though my fiancé was convinced the economics were good. And they definitely are at this point.
I don’t want to rain on your parade HannaH. But 60km on a 12 hour charge?
hahahahaha, that’s what I thought as well
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“So far I’m pretty pleased with how it’s worked out.”
You’ve budgeted $25,000 to replace those batteries… right?
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hahahahaha, GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!
Do you suppose Hanna has read all the WARNINGS about battery maintenance … such as NEVER allowing them to get really cold (or really hot)? Also, about how you should NEVER charge your EV batteries to 100%? Nor allow them below 20%? To mention a few. Failing to maintain your EV batteries as recommended will degrade your batteries, hence accelerating the new $25k battery swap
also don’t forget..DO NOT PARK THEM INSIDE TO CHARGE……they might catch on FIRE……..
Report back to us on or around February 21st.
Your expensive solar panels will gradually and relentlessly collect less energy from the sun as they age.
The grid that you depend on is becoming less stable as more and more of these electrical vehicles are purchased.
The generating assets that feed the grid are not growing as fast as demand is growing.
Your vehicle’s battery becomes less efficient with time, until one day it stops completely. It is not repairable. You will have to replace the battery, a five-figure cost, or replace the entire vehicle, a higher five-figure cost.
Please take all of these into account in next 5-10 years.
Best of luck to you.
who is moving ALL THE SNOW from these panels after all the snow we have been getting??? what a complete joke these wind farms and solar farms are…….
Charging by the minute for electricity makes as much sense as charging per the minute for gazoline fill up. Don’t they have a meter on those things?
Here in BC the law states that only BC Hydro can charge for electricity so the stations can only charge by the minute to cover the estimated cost of the electricity and the installation of the charging stations. Even if they meter it they can’t charge for the juice, by law. I guess the stations couldn’t get the law changed but had to come up with a way to recoup their costs, this works but doesn’t compensate for the road maintenance so the Provinces will have to add a yearly “road maintenance” tax to the renewal sticker for EVs.
This isn’t correct. Anyone can charge for electricity provided they use a Canada weights and measures certified meter.
One of my companies installs a lot of them in BC
Of course the charging price has gone up – to match the rural station’s cost of running their charger’s diesel generator. Where do you think the electricity comes from? I wonder how much the snacks are at rhe station? Maybe they have TV lounges inside their warming huts?
Just a general babbling comment – I’m too old to worry about this mandated change-of-culture.
wonder where those EV’s would get their POWER, if NOT FOR THE OIL & GAS INDUSTRY???? BC commies want to get rid of GAS ENGINES in the near future,,,,,,,,ISN’T THAT INSANITY???? yes it is, that is why we left BC and moved back to ALBERTA……..land of the free…………..
Related.
Buck from AoS notes: “No one was hurt, so it’s OK to laugh at this.”
THE MORNING RANT – GREEN FOLLIES: Dewalt’s New Electric Mower Has a Fiery Unveiling; Despite Supporting Climate Hysteria, Coke’s Eco-Communist Friends Are Accusing It of “Greenwashing”; Greens Sacrifice Patagonia Condor for W
https://ace.mu.nu/archives/401696.php
“…after publication, the new mower burst into flames at an equipment exposition, necessitating the insertion of a hilarious (to me) Editor’s Note acknowledging the fire.”
Seems EV charging rates should…
Be equal to residential rates….
And have a equivalent road use/maintenance tax.
Plus the charging station building, lot, and maintenance fee. After all when I get gas at wherever I pay for their land tax, license fees, etc with every gallon.
I see no reason why cave dwelling, uneducated, poor ICE owners like me should subsidizes my supposed better, virtue badged Lord’s and Ladies.