Contrary to the emotions evoked by humorous pictures of Ukrainian farmers towing Russian tanks, the war may not be going as well for the Ukraine as the standard narrative would have us believe. They may, in fact, be on their way to losing, underequipped as they are and outgunned by the Russian military. Delivery of NATO armor is simply not going to happen, since it would take months to train Ukrainian soldiers in its use. Besides that, no NATO country wants hardware full of high tech weapons falling into Russian hands.
The Russians are well-equipped with infantry fighting vehicles and tanks, he said, while the Ukrainians have no artillery support. “We’re moving in the tree lines with just Javelins and N-LAWs (shoulder-fired anti-tank weapons). But we are moving without mortars. The problem is we are sitting ducks for their artillery and sniper fire — the advance is not happening,” he said. “To be honest, we are not doing good. We go in with eight to fight 50. Down here, it’s 5-10 km fields, separated by drainage ditches and that’s the only way to move. We know where they are and they know where we are at all times … (We) need to get big guns down here, like yesterday.”
The Ukes have not been “ahead” at any point, that’s just western media propaganda, practicing the wishful thinking of their gubmint partners.
Whatever western ,Eduardo says, the opposite is much closer to the truth.
The vastly larger Russian Army cannot take over a very small nation in now 100 days and it is going badly for the Ukrainians?
Yes, yes, yes, russia planned it all along. And they did not need Moskva either and all those generals being made good, all part of a master plan. Suuuure.
The fighting is on Ukrainian territory and the Ukrainians are unable to push the Russians out. Yes, if you are the Ukrainians that’s called “it’s going badly.”
I don’t know if the Russian military is that well equipped with tanks. They’ve lost at least a third of the operational tanks that they had in January. They now seem to be bringing in ancient reserve tanks (T-62s) as replacements that are not suitable for modern warfare, and which are not likely in good running condition.
Those were brought in to be deployed in the areas in the east that Russia now has under operational control, i.e. not being used in combat operations.
Translation: orcs dragged them storage but realizing their dilapidated state concocted a new explanation for idiots to parrot.
no you moron, the Austrian Military Staff has a youtube channel and they explained it quite well. There are very few tank on tank exchanges in the donbass. The T-62 is being used as an assault gun and a mobile pillbox..something it performs perfectly well.
Most orc tanks have been taken out by ATGMs, Arty and drones, against those T-62 is a sitting duck. Moron.
For what purpose, do you think? What good are they?
Question – why do you need to deploy tanks into areas you have under operational control?
I mean, by definition, you operationally control it.
Tanks are not great patrol vehicles, especially when you have actual patrol vehicles that could do the ‘showing the flag/gun’ role of making sure the people in the area don’t get ideas about becoming heroic freedom fighters/terrorists. You are monitoring and controlling the movements of the non combatants in the area, not conducting fire and movement as part of an overall assault.
Dragging out older equipment also doesn’t just happen. You need to form units that use that older equipment and then provide an entire logistics train to support them. In simple terms? Those main guns are different sizes. You need to transport them different shells. This is not something you do for giggles as it is extra work and detracts from supplying the troops actually on the front line.
The other point to be discussed is where exactly does the ‘Better Than Nothing’ tip over to ‘Worse Than Nothing’? The technology curve in warfare can be brutal. At low levels you can get away with it. Your squad with SMLE rifles can still give grief to my squad armed with AR-15s – but probably not for that long – but once you move away from individual foot soldiers you get to match ups where a Gen N tank will be straight out murdered by a Gen N+1 or N+2 vehicle. You are no longer ‘Better Than Nothing’ like in the SMLE vs AR-15 squad combat, you are ‘Worse Than Nothing’ as all you are doing in real terms is giving the other side something to shoot and destroy and you are honestly better off simply admitting you cannot with that style of engagement and coming up with a plan C.
If we are seeing older generation Russian equipment being deployed in numbers it is because Russia is being forced to do so.
“In simple terms? Those main guns are different sizes. ”
They also have human loaders. None in russia trained human loaders for decades…
The Russians are, and have always had control.
Got your 10th jab yet? Hurry and get your Munkeypuck vaxx too. The sky is falling.
That is why they withdrew from Kiev and let the Ukrainians sink the Moskva?
You need some other news sources Ivan.
They’re bringing in T55s too LOL
Where did you get from? I haven’t seen it. I suppose it was inevitable as 55s are much more numerous and arguably more logical choice than 62s. Also, there is more upgrade packages available for 55s than for 62s. Russians were exporting those packages before the war so upgraded 55 will probably be a better tank than unupgraded 62. Remember 54/55 family was produced around the world in greater numbers than any other tank so the demand for upgrades remains. But yes LOL, at this rat they will be reactivating WWII T-34 and KV war memorials.
Canadian help has been inconsequential from the start. That does not, in any way, mean that Ukrainians have relied on it, or that it was critical to Ukrainian effort. They have received a lot more weapons from other NATO countries. At the same time orcs are running low on their own stock of supplies. Both sides have ground to a halt with exception of seesaw battle around Sieverodonetsk (sp) that for more thna week seems to be consuming the entire orc offensive strength.
Here is a good recent assessment of what is happening:
https://time.com/6184437/ukraine-russian-offensive/
COLON
Linking to TIME again, time is lefty shit show, worst than CBC, or CNN.
Kriste you are one stupid ass!
It is a Frederick Kagan’s op-ed, shortbus.
Your Nazis are losing, always have been.
Ever getting tired of the Jew leading Nazis claim while defending the army committing war crimes?
Don’t forget that Ukrainians are Nazis who support globohomo, because, you know, Nazis always are pro gay.
You really are the most dense commentator on this site. AGAIN close your mouth and try breathing through your nose.
Time?
Time peaked in about 1935 and went down sharply ever since.
Still, credit where credit is due, it if wasn’t for Time Magazine we wouldn’t be able to legitimately use the names Greta and Adolf in the same sentence, so… thanks… I guess.
It is an op-ed, read it, check credentials of the author, stop being lazy.
check credentials of the rage it’s written in, as they control content, and will only allows what they see as fit. You really are stupid as Alla S.
Whoooosh. Facepalm.
If Russia advances 100km, and then is driven back 10km, western media call it a “significant setback” for the Russians.
If one listens to only western media, one would think that Russia has actually lost territory to the Ukes. That kind of BS and an inability to count is expected from people who don’t know what a woman is.
The reason its taking so long is that Russia is trying to minimize civilian deaths, and wants to take infrastructure intact.
Zelensky has already started moving some of his assets to Switzerland.
Hi Ho.
Meanwhile back in the real world:
https://liveuamap.com
“The reason its taking so long is that Russia is trying to minimize civilian deaths, and wants to take infrastructure intact.”
ROTFLMAO, Ho Lee f***. You’re really are delusional and demented.
Bye Ho.
That map seems to chock full of Russians smashing stuff, shelling stuff, and blowing stuff up, and a looming group of encirclements of Ukrainian forces. Oh and Zelensky sanctioned Mr. Putin.
Are we looking at the right map, or did the link get broken? “Fighting continues in Severodonetsk” seems well short of “Russian forces have been hurled back in confusion and disarray from Severodonetsk, and are retreating North at full speed”, no?
I don’t get it. Ukraine must be winning, like everyone says. If the Russians are about to get crushed, and are getting smashed left and right, where is that happening on the map? Or is that like the German relief forces being assembled, who were going to smash the Russians and rescue 6th Army at Stalingrad?
If Ukraine wants to win this thing, they need to start drastically upping their operational tempo.
Gray areas on the map show, parts of Ukraine that were under Siberian control but no longer are.
The map always has a large number of red circles showing russian bombings. Every time Siberian Mongols hit a hospital, a school, or a supermarket another circle appears.
If you look at the map now and two weeks ago, remarkably little has changed. There is no grand offensive. Both sides are largely out of steam and the only really active area is around Sieverodonetsk that changed hands about five times already. First russian push, Ukrainians fall back to high ground west of the ruined city, then counter attack and push Siberians back. Lather rinse repeat. I suspect that sooner or later russians will take firm control of the ruins. And? One small town that cost them thousands of casualties and destroyed equipment.
“Russian forces have been hurled back in confusion and disarray from Severodonetsk, and are retreating North at full speed”
Who are you quoting here? The voices in your head?
“Ukraine must be winning, like everyone says.”
Nobody, literarily nobody is saying that. UnMe, might be saying that, but apart for it, I don’t know anyone who else is. Ok the be fair, a lot of Pootin’s cheerleaders like Ho, have been consistently defeating this strawman … for more than a hundred days now. Fact is that, Ukrainians are holding remarkably well and are punching well above their weight. They are bleeding the Siberians by orders of magnitude greater than anyone could reasonably predict. At this rate Siberians will blow their load and achieve very little. In the long run they will be crippled and their situation will become unsustainable. They will eventually fall back just like Americans and Soviets before them fell back from Assholistan or like Americans fell back from Vietnam. That is inevitable.
Mmm. I really do read claims that Ukraine is throwing back Russian forces – in Kherson, Zaporozhye, Svyatigorsk and more. Oh and that Russia is withdrawing from Donbass any day now.
Do you know anyone in Moscow? Curious how things are holding up there. I am pretty sure Ukraine’s gdp will not recover from this war for at least a century – I mean I wonder how many Ukrainian refugees who have made it to the EU (finally) will want to return to the high unemployment, the poverty, the corruption and the one party gangster state that Ukraine has now become. I know I would stay in Poland or Germany given half a chance. I mean regardless of how this turns out war-wise, Ukraine is messed up now. I mean bombed into the stone age. Hundreds of thousands of slaughtered civilians. Massed carpet bombing of its cities. Hey at least they only lost about 10,000 troops, so they still have a bigger army than anyone in the EU. And at least as big as Russia’s!
You say Siberian Mongols a lot. But does that mean the Slavs are all Siberian Mongols? Seems odd since the Mongols show up 500 years after the Slavs settled in the Ukraine. I know quite a lot of Russians with really fair hair and skin, and blue eyes, who burn in the sun! The Mongols and Steppe Asiatics I’ve met tend to be … shall we say … “swarthy”. And it seems to me the Russian Army has quite a lot of fair skinned, fair haired people in it.
That said, what of the Ukrainian separatist army? The ones doing a heck of a lot of fighting against the VSU in the Donbass. Are they Siberians? I thought they were Ukrainians.
I don’t know, I have a hard time keeping all your racial purity terminology straight, to be honest. I must be getting old.
If you’re reading nonsense then read better sources.
Start here for example: https://www.understandingwar.org
Your delusions about Siberian capability, especially given how they are failing in the current conflict require a monumental level of faith.
Yes Mongols. Siberian Mongols, it is not the race that counts it is the culture, norms and mentality. Mongols shaped them and they haven’t changed since. Read Richard Pipes “Russia Under the Old Regime” for starters.
And yes, Ukraine has been devastated by the orc invasion. It is a monumental tragedy, most recent in the long list of tragedies that Siberian Mongols inflicted on Eastern Europe in general, and on Ukraine specifically. The civilized world owes a huge debt to valiant Ukrainians for knocking Siberian teeth out.
The aerial photos of those cities say that they do not plan to have anyone living there.
It is easier on my blood pressure to shut down thought and just go along with the lock step narrative. If you tip toe over into that other part of the internet and get a fill of the other sides propaganda, then you get some long term anxiety. As in, if the Russians are not defeated in Ukraine they just might not stop there.
Russia might continue on to Moldova, which would be easy pickings.
Beyond that, I think their ground forces will be so decimated and exhausted that it’ll be many years before they can consider another major deployment, and they’ll certainly be in no condition to take on a NATO country.
A few nukes later, NATO will be of no consequence.
Nukes fly both ways.
Yes they do, which why we should keep out of this war. Otherwise, all of western civilization, be it Russia, the US, Canada, or the nations of western and central Europe, will burn.
Wrong, that is why Siberians need to stay in russia. Otherwise if they escalate blah blah etc etc etc…
P.S. The last time russia was a part of Western Civilization was in 1612.
Not if Zircons and Kinzhals hit us first.
Russia has pretty advanced strategic air defence. NATOnis helpless against Zircon, never mind Sarmat.
They’ll get a few shots off, but it’d be the consolation prize.
Who knew that 25 years of affirmative action hiring and grading in the hard sciences and STEM programs at Western Universities would actually leave us badly lagging the Russians in NextGen military tech … right?
Ugh, ok another russian wonder weapon, they were having a new one every year for the last thirty years. Results evident in the current conflict.
If nukes start flying both russians and civilized will be gone. No nukes will fly.
Nor will Russia. I think Putin’s generals will say no at very close range with a pistol.
In related news, the people of the Donetsk People’s Republic are making examples of British mercenaries recruited to carry out acts of terror in the DPR.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-two-british-fighters-sentenced-to-death-in-separatist-area-russian-state-media-says-12630854
Time for civilized people to start rounding up orcs and their collaborators in response. What’s good for the goose and all that.
What treatment would foreign mercenary / freelance fighters in a war zone otherwise expect? Canadians, Brits, Yanks do not belong there. Period. The absolute best they could hope for is a one way ticket home with strict instructions that if they’re caught there again engaged in hostilities, then their lives are forfeit. It’s purely up to Russian discretion about the one way ticket too. They’d be well within their rights to toss them into a Siberian prison indefinitely.
They are uniformed combatants in regular units that are part of Ukrainian army. Siberians do not get invent some special status for them or decide who belongs there. They don’t belong in Ukraine and thus any sentence they pass is not legal. Not that legality matters in this case. Like I said, civilized world needs to start rounding up holders of russian passports. Identify those loyal to Pootin and tit for tat, publicly.
Were Canadian volunteers fighting for US in Vietnam terrorists too? How about French Foreign Legion?
No civilized people use slurs like “orcs”. Best if both sides. And lunatic pundits refrain from calls to round people up.
Spare me the pearl clutching until orcs start behaving in a civilized way. Which of course they never will.
What are they charged with?
Did you know they’re actually Ukrainians? They have citizenship.
Semantics. A procedural trick that the DPR isn’t falling for, sorry.
They were charged, aming other things, with being part of a terrorsit organisation, no?
And yes, the North Vietnamese and North Koreans treated our guys exactly the same way.
When you get involved in a foreign punchup because you are a thrilk-seeking yahoo looking for a “safari” to join, don’t be surprised when things end badly for you.
Their governments repeatedly warned them not to go!
Your slander of defenders of civilization has been noted. Since Donetsk and Lubansk belong to Ukraine any trial conducted by terrorists organizations occupying those lands is a sham akin to ISIS trails (not that russian trails should be given any respect either). Furthermore, if their Ukrainian passport does not count, then any documentation of LPR and DPR troops do not count either.
Wait, so you are telling me it’s actually a … civil war after all? On Russia’s doorstep? For 8 long years?
Wow, you are starting to actually make sense at last!
Orc demagogy never ends. It is a proxy war, started by russia and financed by russia, DPR and LPR are russian puppets and their judiciary are not legitimate. What part of it you do not understand?
1-Russia attacks Ukraine.
2-NATO assists Ukraine.
3-Russia retaliates against NATO.
4-………………………….
2. Russia and China assist Vietnam.
3. America does not retaliate.
2. America assist Afghanistan.
3. Russia does not retaliate.
No suicidal retaliation will happen. And the Ukrainian war will end the same Afghanistan and and Vietnam needed. A pyrric victory for the devastated victim and a humiliation of the invader.
Difference this time is Russia seems willing to play the nuke card.
Suuuure they do. Once nukes fly none is the winner, and despite bullshit posturing, Siberians know it well.
Have you not been paying attention since 1945? This isn’t exactly the first round of Russian brinkmanship.
So if you are so sure they are bluffing, why aren’t we invading? Why aren’t there half a million NATO troops massing on the borders of Ukraine?
Because NATO does not want to go to war against russia?
Sheeesh Shortbus.
Russia assists “Strongman” Assad in Syria … SHE sneaks US weapons to Radical Islamic Terrorists … and then gets our Ambassador murdered and his corpse humiliated in Benghazi. Obama conducts a secret war against Syria (and Russia) using proxy ISIS warriors.
SHE and Obama LOSE.
Russia invades NATO with all the tanks and soldiers that they are not using in Ukraine.
Allow me to confirm my position on this monumental news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Q3gd6S1as
Hey, of all the world wars only two started in Eastern Europe so why worry, indeed?
The ruskies have lost a dozen generals and 50 colonels. Sounds like a winning formula
abtrap
Sure they have, and the ghost of kyiv has decimated the russian air force!
Sure they have,
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russian-officer-elite-decimated-9-who-were-killed-in-combat-2022-3?op=1 and the list grows almost daily. High ranking orc after high ranking orc made good.
Just glad I’m not you. I think you have a very large cognitive reset coming soon.
I too am glad you’re not I.
Any other deep thoughts?
@ Klapper
OK, you just won the intertubes for today!!! That was pure class! Love it.
No what he will do is what they all will do when all of this unravels utterly. When governments are thrown out in Europe, and the new governments finally repudiate NATO’s adventures, and seek a rapprochement with Russia, he, and those whonshare his convictions, will shift from drooling Russophobia, over to rage and violent thoughts directed at the Quisling Western Powers who stabbed the Ukraine in the back and turned a won war into a fake defeat!
Why does this movie seem so familiar,?
“Why does this movie seem so familiar,?”
Because West has done it to Poland at Yalta?
Because West has done it to Kurds?
Thats because Russian generals fight close to the front
No, that’s because russian coms, coordination and situational awareness is shit.
it’s because the USA is identifying the Russian targets, as they did the war ship in the black sea. R~4 is incapable of rational thought and analysis of any situation
Of course Americans are providing recon. And it is easy given how sloppy the Siberian are. Several cretins got good, when they were using their cellphones to call home, to tell that they just looted a new washing machine. It doesn’t change the fact that they would not have to expose themselves to that extent they do if their comes were not cold war era junk or if their recon was any good.
If anyone has a link to the architectural drawings or an AutoCAD file of the fortifications of AzovStal, I would be interested. The steel works in Hamilton are underused, and perhaps it should be fortified, too. Maybe when the Parachute Regiment gets reformed it could be used as a backdrop for the ceremony. I sure hope there are not dissident elements in our society who hold a grudge over the dishonorable treatment of our military over the last, what, fifty years. It was those dissidents that caused all the trouble over there in the East Ukraine, welcoming in the orcs. Sure hope they are not here. At least we have secure borders so Putin cannot send in influence agents, money, and, weapons.
You’re on to something. I remember when bikers used a numbered corp to buy the command bunker at former CFB Penhold and used it for a grow op / clubhouse.
Outstanding thinking regarding repurposing Hamilton’s abandoned infrastructure. You could call it Skunkdown StelWerks.
Gentrify, fortify, drop a huge electrical cable from Bruce and mine the frick out of some trendcoin to cover massive mortgage payments, that is until Vlad’s secret tanks surge across the permafrost and blitz down the Canadian Shield and you become reliant on crappy solar and stealth windmills.
Digging deeper beneath—armories, cranked up battle damaged migrant security ‘guards’, fentanyl / meth cook houses, hyper-trendy JapoKorean bunkerized street food. A series of NZ isolated ultrarich bugout hidey holes. A functioning passport office. I’ve got underground blade runner in my minds eye.
For parents needing to jettison their twitch streaming 30 year old spawn a series of small, fetid, internet connected, pseudo basements, overflowing with freeze dried chicken nuggets and tube socks. You could brand those Fallowt Pipunkers. They would sell like microwave popcorn (and lube) when AOC is live-streaming.
Dennis’s introduction can be disregarded. He links to John Ivison’s article, but Ivison says none of those things. I await Dennis’s knowledge of the battlefield and what’s happening on it and behind it for an explanation.
The Russia Ukraine war is irrelevant to western interests. It’s secondary purpose is
To test out real world battle tactics against Russians and to deplete their stock of munitions and equipment to reduce their threat to Europe. Meanwhile their brain drain and demographic death spiral continues.
What does matter is that china is watching and learning.
And that brings us to its primary purpose which is for the west to demonstrate that china would suffer were it ever to get cute.
The real threat here is china.
China could take over all Siberia in weeks.
Then both Russia and the west would be screwed.
Russia is our natural ally. As is Iran.
But nut job leaders in Russia, Iran and the US have failed to make this happen.
So I could care less about the propaganda and who is winning what.
“Russia is our natural ally. As is Iran.”
Utter delusions. Iran could be if they killed the ruling psychos and their supporters. Orcs never will. You have to completely fail to understand Siberian mentality to say that.
Given that Russia saved Europe from Napoleon, Frederick, the Swedish menace, the Turks (repeatedly), bled herself white against the Kaiser, and in so doing keeping the French in the war, and defeated the Nazis in WW2, I fail to see how they are not our natural allies. They have been on the right side of just about every major existential threat the West has faced. They even stood with us against the Jihadi menace (and they could SO easily have weaponised the Jihad completely, against the West). They are pinning down the Jihadis in Syria, allowing the US to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, and not surrendering the entire Middle East to the Caliphate.
Sure, they effed the pooch with Bolshevism. But hey, 8 out of 10 is not that bad a score.
Racial bigotry notwithstanding and all.
Does anyone between Germany and russia ever fall into your calculations? Or are they to be fed to the Siberian Mongols again? No need to answer, above you have already stated they are to be fed by Quislings. No other nation have done more harm to others than russians. No other nation have gotten away with that much harm either. Saving Ukraine is quintessential.
Wait, so none of what I said happened? Russia DIDN’T throw off the yoke of Napoleon, Frederick, Karl gustav, the Kaiser and Hitler?
Ukraine and Poland are not “the West”. They are “EASTERN” Europe. Short bus.
Germany didn’t exist until the mid nineteenth century. And Austrian, Polish and Prussian troops were only too happy to help Napoleon ravage his way across Russia. That invasion scarred Russians really good.
They have been invaded a great many times by the people that now call themselves “the EU”. Those invasions were as influential in Russian development as the Mongols. Frankly, I’d rather be a Mongol than a vile racist count, of the kind that ran much of the Anglo Empire these last few centuries. The Mongols I’ve met (certainly when travelling in Africa) were lovely people, and so are all the Siberians I’ve met.
You are one of the least lovely people I have had the misfortune of engaging with. I sincerely hope you don’t represent the sum total of Ukrainian thought.
Napoleon, was liberating Poland from russian occupation. Pity he failed.
None deserted faster than russians from WWI eastern front.
It was russians that prompted Nazis between 39 and 41. Without russian support Hitler would not have the raw materials and resources to invade West. Read “Feeding the German Eagle” by Edward Ericson.
It was russians that invaded six countries between 39 and 41 when Hitler was doing his share in the West. Both russians and Germans are jointly responsible for WWII. Then one ally betrayed the other.
Russians invaded their neighbors from Finland to Georgia much more often than anyone invaded russia. The greatest invasions of russia were either justified (Napoleon) or betrayal by the monster they helped create and supported until then (WWII).
Russians did not win Eastern Front. All allies did. Without western logistics and Lenn Lease russians would lose. Moreover units composed of ethnic non russians were routinely sacrificed to save russians. Ukrainian units in particular were treated as disposable cannon fodder by Siberians and suffered proportionally much higher loses than mostly russian units.
Civilizationally everywhere west of russian border with exception of Belarus counts as west.
Russia is our natural ally?
Hannah I disagree,this war is very relevant to western governments interests.
A wonderful distraction from the naked abuse of Dread Covid Theatre and a marvellous opportunity for the emotive citizens to fight amongst themselves.
Our Dear Leaders need a war,only through declaration of war can they dodge accountability for the Government Goo And two long years of Illegal Government Thuggery..
Not to mention the collapsing fiat currencies…
They need a war,this allows them to outlaw,imprison and murder everyone who wants them to pay for their crimes..
So we will be having a war.
Face it,our government has already declared war upon the tax paying citizens.
Along with 72 super secret laws,that we are all guilty of violating…According to Emperor Justine the Petulant.
Is the abundance of the Stalinist posting here the Russian interference in our social media sites the government was talking about. I’m guessing so. A lot of posters sound a lot more like barbaric Russian asshole butchers than Canadians.
Western leadership is more Stalinist than Russia. You need to learn about cultural Marxism, among other things.
Like most here you are completely missing the big picture. Read what Hannah says. She seems to understand better than most.
scar
some of us are able to think for our selves, and you have proven not to be one of those. And the colon is an emotional nitwit (possibly suffers from Bi-Polarism)
“…some of us are able to think for our selves…”
Others, like you for example, are not at the thinking stage yet.
A brave new hero, Mini-Vlad:
Disclose.tv @disclosetv
NOW – Erdogan demands Greece to demilitarize islands in the Aegean, threatening the Hellenic Republic with consequences.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1534862882931888128
The Ukrainians are not winning? I’m shocked. Shocked I tell ya!
There are times when I wish that both sides would lose. It’s hard to tell who are the goodies and who are the baddies.
Easy, baddies are the savages that invaded the civilized.
What’s the old saying, if your enemies (or not friends, at least) are fighting it’s best not to interfere?
Slightly related side note, here in Canada, people with like one great-grandparent from Russia or Ukraine who have zero direct ties with either country and can’t speak a word of the languages, can’t get along. But bringing in migrants from competing sides of millennia old and still active conflicts is going to work out fine.
Why is Ukraine not our friend? Russia is definitely our enemy so “Enemy of my enemy is my friend. ” Totalitarian thugs invading peaceful neighbors are a bad example.
That is because there are no good guys. Both countries are corrupt. Both have governments run by or beholden to rabid nationalists. And both are too proud to seek or offer a face-saving way out of the mess.
Of course, it doesn’t help that the foolish American government is prolonging the war by using the Ukraine as a proxy. The American political establishment (aka the swamp) is sour because Russia got back up off the mat. Had they been capable of long-term thought, they’d be reconciling with Russia, and strengthening them as an ally against China. Instead they’ve gone for the instant gratification of attempting to knock Russia back down, while driving them into an alliance with China. And every time their efforts have proven worthless (sanctions, arms shipments), they doubled down rather cut their losses. Sooner or later, that is going to have some dire consequences for them and those who follow them.
There is plenty of good guys: those are the Ukrainian men and women fighting for their country, their families and their way of life. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
The Ukrainians are not winning.
The Russians are not winning.
The war has bogged down into one of attrition. The Russians have superiority in the air, tanks, and artillery. They have offensive power.
The Ukrainians are more motivated and have been supplied with good defensive equipment.
The Russians pay dearly when they
try to advance further into Ukraine, but the Ukrainians don’t have the strength or equipment to launch an effective counter-offensive.
In the long run, Russia will annex and fortify what it has taken. They will claim some form of victory.
The long term price will be extremely high. The Ukrainian diaspora, which has expanded by a few million refugees will not forget nor forgive the Russians’ treachery. For decades, and possibly generations, whenever Russians venture outside of their borders, there may very well be a Ukrainian waiting with a sharp knife and a thirst for revenge. They will always find themselves looking over their shoulders.
I think you’re largely right. But I also think russians will eventually abandon a lot of the land they occupy now. Their position is unsustainable in the long run.
I could say the same about Canada. Impossible to hold all that land with an army like Canada’s.
And it would be irrelevant, but feel free to say it.
How about you sort of go stick your head in a bucket of water three times and take it out twice, short bus?
^ Orc eloquence at its best.
It’s funny, I know quite a few Ukrainians who left Kiev after Maidan. They will never return to Ukraine. They are doing well in Russia, and have good careers. Why would they go back to a country that will probably murder them as traitors.
If Ukrainians living in the diaspora want to commit warcrimes against innocent Russian civilians, well, that would suggest to me that I may be wrong about the kind of people Ukrainians are.
Black South Africans suffering under apartheid and who had fled overseas, were incredibly patient and kind with white South Africans they met on overseas trips.
I’d like to think Ukrainians are at least as civilised.
Listening to the colonoscopy, … I’m not so sure. If that is what Ukrainians are, well I am not surprised the Russians invaded to put that rabid dog down.
Of course, I’d like to think Ukrianians are better than that.
“I know quite a few Ukrainians who left Kiev after Maidan. They will never return to Ukraine. They are doing well in Russia, and have good careers.”
They have great careers collaborating with the horde that again is raping, pillaging and murdering their countrymen. Yes they are traitors.
The twisted hypocrisy that follows is not worth further comments.
You really do go out of your way to convince the world you are a weapons-grade douchebag, don’t you?
Are you just doing this for theatrics and effects, you know blowing off steam from a boring life?
Would be nice to see you getting just as worked up about yet another massacre of Black Christians in Nigeria, who are being mown down at 60 times the rate of anyone in Ukraine, say.
You’re not making any sense anymore orc. Too much Stolichnaya? I have a very fulfilling life, thank you for your concern. Pissing on orcs is just a bonus.
BTW I don’t much care for Nigeria. Although pity Biafra failed at winning independence. One place that maybe had a chance.
The real problem with this war is that deep down it is a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing.
It is further complicated by a mixture of Western arrogance and apathy.
We have evolved (devolved?) as a culture into believing there are always ‘Good’ and ‘Bad’ sides in wars and that wars are things that are resolved by the plucky underdog heroes in the last act by a big heroic action. That fits the classic story arc. No one really wants to hear the story about the overall stronger side slowly pushing back the enemy by using their superior technological and industry advantages to force unconditional surrender – although they will show some sort of casual pleasure if that winning side happens to be them – they want the underdog comeback story.
(Don’t believe me? Ask someone to describe how the war in the Pacific played out and see if you get much more than ‘Pearl Harbor, Midway and… atomic bombs’, or to describe the liberation of Western Europe beyond ‘D-Day, Saving Private Ryan and the Battle of the Bulge’. It is the limit of interest for the average person. In the average person’s defence, many of them may find it slightly uncomfortable to show extended interest in this level of death and violence and also may be a bit more concerned about not having their 12 year old daughter’s hair sniffed, but we also live in a time where a small time actress can do interviews about how having to wear a dress at press functions “Literally” nearly killed them.)
Remember this is a society who spend 6 weeks watching a court case about a man who’s ex wife wasn’t house trained. It is what we want. Story. Characters. Plot twists. Maybe even merch. Something to talk about in the lunch room. Something to attach compassion against so that you can prove to yourself and your peers that you are no completely selfish.
The War was MEANT to go to script. A Big Country was meant to invade a Small Country (in Europe). We were meant to come together in our compassion and support ‘The Thing’ and then once the Big Country had defeated the Small Country (in Europe) we were all meant to sit around our Twit feed plucking heart string stories about the humanitarian crisis and donating tax deductable donations to charities you had never heard of before but were probably trustworthy.
Drag on for months? No. That isn’t meant to happen. I mean that is at least two MCU Disney Plus series ago. No one can be expected to remember back that far! (where were the last two Marvel series BTW? Pointless Guy With Bow? Doesn’t matter, I am sure there will be a new one soon to get excited about)
Being brutal, no one cares. Far away country. People of whom we know nothing. We want story and plot and we want it in the binge model so we can take it all in over one rainy weekend. No one has long term investment time.
Ukraine will continue to lose right up until they actually lose, or Russia withdraws. They need to be losing. If they started winning we bored spectators would say to each other ‘well, looks like they have it under control’ and go back to re-organising our open porn tabs on the 27 browser windows we still have open.
Remember the saying – The Enemy of My Enemy is someone I can exploit into annoying my Enemy so I don’t have to get my hands dirty. Aid will continue until there is no further ability to annoy Russia, then Ukraine will be dropped quicker than a question on why no one else has been arrested for having Maxwell sex traffic minors to them.
MudCrab, you’re mudding the waters: oh bo hoo we don’t know who’s good or bad anymore. Bullshit. Invader is clearly and certainly not good. Regardless of how Ukrainians are or were before invasion. Ok, maybe if Ukraine would have attacked Russian teritory before that. But this didn’t happen.
Invading what? A border no one, not even the Ukrainians, even recognise? (Ukraine claims even more of Russia than they got from the Bolsheviks and Kruschev).
“Besides that, no NATO country wants hardware full of high tech weapons falling into Russian hands”
You know, I’d really like to help you out there, Li’l Uke, but sorry, man, you’re on your own. I can’t risk Pootin seeing my lightning-quick, spin-knuckle uppercut or he’d be copying it sure as shit.
But hey, I’ll hold your coat.
“Besides that, no NATO country wants hardware full of high tech weapons falling into Russian hands”
Yeah … apart for all the hardware left in Kabul.
Unless you only listen to CBC and can it’s been clear from the start who is fighting who and the Russians are winning
Actually there are lots of other sources: BBC, France24, Die Welle, and one African News show I watch pretty often. (You probably do not see those from Moscow. ) The Ukrainians are having a hard time but the Russians are doing very poorly. Once the counterbattery artillery is in place the Russian artillery will be toast.
I’ll wait for that day.
By the way, when the EU chucks Ukraine under the bus, in exchange for food and energy, and Russian governors are installed in Donbass, Odessa, and Severodonetsk, do you guys buy us all beers ’cause we called it, in spite of all your drooling and ranting at us that we are “Russian agents”?
Because if as you say, the Russians are really about to be toast, I’ll gladly buy you beer!
“Because if as you say, the Russians are really about to be toast, ”
Again a drunken orc valiantly defeating a strawman.
Someone seems very concerned that his narrative be defended. That’s an awful lot of posts. Almost seems desperate. Sure, let’s fight the evil Russians to the last Ukrainian. Maybe Biden can start WWIII for real fun and games.
It may not be desperation. He could have a quota.
After watching the movie Outlaw Josie Wales, I realized that after the war is over, It’s not going to be over. People out to get revenge. Bounty hunters out looking for people wanted for war crimes. Governments like the Ukraine, Russia and others, will be out trying to eliminate certain dangerous people. What a stinking mess.
Just like what happened after Trump won. This can’t stand!
Breaking news!
Ezra Levant is a Kremlin plant!!!
‘UNDER ATTACK’: U of Calgary report claims Canadian social media flooded with ‘pro-Russian’ disinfo
So is Tucker Carlson and Sundance from CTH!!!
Only Pelosi, Schiff, Trudeau, CNN and CBC can be trusted!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzRSzEphJsg
Darn tootin’ we’re all for Putin because even questioning this insanity is all the proof they need.