Rogan and Berenson

There Goes The Narrative Wuhan Flu 64 Comments

Alex Berenson sits down for a 3+ hour chat with Joe Rogan. I’m only an hour in but they are definitely bringing the heat. Early on Alex makes the claim that in the UK over 70% of the people who die now are fully vaccinated. And he’s got the receipts.

They pull up the UK data that we looked at over here a few days ago and Alex points out some startling numbers. The report he’s talking about is here.   You can follow along as he’s explaining it or if you’re on a desktop a split screen view is best so you can see both at the same time. Pages 13 & 15 are what he’s talking about from the 54 minute mark till 1:05.

Update: Here are the above mentioned charts. Click on them for full screen.

64 Replies to “Rogan and Berenson”

  1. And yet here in Canada it’s as though any other country simply does not exist (with one exception of course). Vaccine failure in Israel? Never heard of it. Vaccinated persons being infected and dying in the UK? Never heard of that either. Ivermectin in India or Indonesia or anywhere else? The horse dewormer you mean that absolutely positively does not work for anyone ever?

    Of course the only other country that Canada acknowledges is the USA and aren’t we doing so much better than them at everything always? Those dumb rednecks voted for Trump once don’t you know. And Bush before that.

    This country deserves what’s coming to it. Good and hard.

      3. Yeah, those vaccinated deaths are just illusions, right sock puppet?

        You are delusional, that’s the nicest thing to say, a%^&ole

      4. Allan isn’t thinking this through.

        Arguing that the vaccine reduces symptoms is fine. (death is a symptom)
        But the unavoidable consequence is that there are a disproportionately large number of infected vaccinated people in the population who are untested because they are asymptomatic. There is solid evidence that they carry equally high viral loads and fit the classic profile of “super-spreaders”.

        The claim that covid is predominantly spread by unvaccinated people lies in a smoking ruin, and with it, the case for mandatory vaccination.

        ……..aaaaaaand, no. You cannot argue with the slightest integrity that mandatory vaccination in justified either “for your own good” or “to reduce the burden on the health system” , without applying exactly the same argument to a large number of high-risk personal choices ranging from drinking, smoking and eating junk-food, to riding motorcycles and engaging in non-monogamous sex.

    2. Tuesday 10/12

      New cases:

      Unvaccinated: 870
      2 and 3 doses: 263

      Active Severe cases:

      Unvaccinated : 300
      2 and 3 dose: 95

      Deaths for the past week:

      Unvaccinated: 42
      2 and 3 dose: 10

      All this despite 80%+ vaccination in everyone above 30.

      For deaths that would mean the unvaccinated group – 20% of the population – accounting for 80% of deaths.

      Thank you for proving the vaccine works!

        1. I’m wrong, its 16x higher. The vaccine saved approximately 150 lives in Israel in the last week.

          3. Really?
            How many of the dead had one shot of the vaccine?
            Or had two shots but died within two weeks of their vaccination?

            How many died during this process of getting fully vaccinated?

            Show your work.

      3. I wonder how many unvacinnated people were unvacinnated because their health was already too poor to risk getting the vaccine? Also, have they stopped counting people who die from stage 4 cancer, but tested positive for covid as covid deaths?

      1. The ‘science table’ group are not reliable, they are part of the Ontario propaganda.
        Why don’t you acknowledge that?

  2. Deaths overall are very low no?

    And the vaccinated dying are like 90 or whatever. No?

    I suspect it’s not that vaccines don’t work. It’s that the only people left dying from it are very old people for whom the vaccines doesn’t last. If it wasn’t Covid it would be flu or pneumonia or something.

    Just my two cents.

    1. And one wonders how many of the elderly were actually killed by the shot. Would be very interesting to see the number who died within 28 days of getting their shots. My mother in law and father in law both did.

      1. My Dad died 21 days after his second shot. 87 years old.

        A friend of a friend died 20ish days after his second shot. 63 years old.

        My brother’s co-worker sent out a text that he got an anaphylactic result from his first shot. The guy said he was lucky to be alive.

        A fellow I know (who is pro-vaccine) ended up in hospital with heart problems shortly after his second shot. As far as he is concerned, the vaccine wasn’t the problem.

        A number of relatives are nurses. “Most” do not want to take the vaccine.

        1. I personally went to two funerals. I personally saw the text sent to my brother. I personally talked to the fellow who told me of his heart problems.

        2. Just found out about a 32 year old, healthy guy, collapsed, cardiac arrest 48 hrs after jab.

      2. My mom had her leg amputated within 2 weeks of the shot. She died within 2 months.

        Its not called the CLOTSHOT for nothing.

    2. I seem to always hit dead threads with this, so one last repost.

      The shots actively cause problems. For the fun of it, I looked at the 10 most vaccinated countries in the world (worldometers.info). Average COVID deaths per million citizens = 1,200 and change. Remove the countries that use Ivermectin or Hydroxy-Chloroquinine or other unusual treatments branded “dangerous” by Canadian authorities (Singapore, UAE) and average COVID deaths per million citizens goes up to 1,700 and change. Compare with the 10 lowest vaccination rate countries. Average COVID deaths per million citizens ~ 450.

      Please don’t trust me. Look it up and do the math for yourself.

        1. We’ll just ad that one to the BS Rolling Stone article claiming that gunshot victims were being turned away from emergency rooms due to “ivermectin poisoning”.

        2. No problem, DrD. The link I found a couple of days ago listed Hydroxy-Chloroquinine as part of the 2020 treatment of choice in Singapore. Different computer this morning and I can’t find that link anymore. At least they continue to have a treatment of choice, not just “clot shot and shut up.”

          Is anyone else having trouble replicating search results on DuckDuckGo over the last couple of months?

  3. Again raw data is meaningless. Rate per 100k and relative risk ratio is all that matters. Just like Israel.

    Vaccination shows a huge improvement in both.

    2. Far bigger chance of dying in a car accident than the Vid, sock puppet! In fact, chances of death disappear with a vigorous routine of essential vitamins, nutrients and IVM. Dr Zelenko protocol.

      I take my advice from REAL physicians in the Covid trenches, not from pretend doctors, serving as bureaucrats.

      Now go chase some headlights, you malignant dirtbag!

  4. I’m a fan of Berenson, but he’s contradicted on the use of his data from the UK COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report regarding the infection rate for vaccinated people 40 and over by John Burn-Murdoch of the Financial Times, who argues that the population data relied on for the denominator is erroneous and is therefore producing an absurd result. Can anybody contradict this? https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1447617110910382081.html (about 60% through the thread)

    1. 2 years is far too short of a time period for comparison. I tried to find “Florida death rate by month -covid” and I couldn’t find anything that would show the long term trends. 2018/2019 were historically low years for mortality though, so a bounce while “returning to normal” wouldn’t be unexpected. Unfortunately, we can’t live forever (here on Earth).

      There’s also no mention of those killed by the clot shot (2nd shot within the previous month and slow build-up to systemic shutdown) and whether they’re added to the denominator of “unvaccinated” or “vaccinated”.

      1. If they do as in BC, and elsewhere, they throw the victims of the shot into “unvaccinated”. That serves 2 purposes:

        1- Instills more fear into those wary of the shot, and weak of character. “oooo, maybe Bonnie is right.., more dying without the shot”
        2- It HIDES the fact the shot is dangerous and a cytotoxic poison.

        The Canadian medical bureaucratic medical system is evil and so is the media. How many will the shot kill in the future, by ADE? Well, technically, everyone who got the shot is at risk, the plan, all along maybe?………………

  5. OK, I’m confused can anyone clarify something for me.

    I’m looking at the chart in the linked report (page 15), Berenson refers to it around the 1 hour mark.
    He uses the chart to argue that being vaccinated increases your chance of death.

    He speaks about a couple of columns but it’s the two columns on the far right that confuse me.
    They are labeled:
    “Rates among persons vaccinated with 2 does (per 100,00)” and
    “Rates among persons not vaccinated (per 100,00)”

    The numbers in the “not vaccinated” column are all higher than the “vaccinated” column.
    Doesn’t that argue against his point and for the effectiveness of the vaccines?

    1. He explains those two columns as well after explaining the other numbers. Maybe have another listen.

    2. I haven’t listened yet…don’t have Spotify. Anyway, hubby and I discussed it and we are wondering if it isn’t the rates within the specific population, so an unvaxxed persons rate of getting Covid in the unvaxxed population and the vaxxed rate of getting Covid amongst the vaxxed population.

      1. Yes, there is that set of realities too to consider, for all of us going forward.

        Don’t be like the useful idiots that the media props up to “send those stupid unvaxxed a message!” You know, those people that didnt get the shot, but have not done any diligence, preparation or learning of how to fight the Vid. The media loves these people by the way.

        We need to take the approach that most if not all of us will get the Vid. Take the necessary precautions, do your research, BE PREPARED! There are several protocols one can follow, but, at the core of these are:
        VitD
        VitC
        Zinc
        Ivermectin/Quercetin
        ASA
        Optional, and good is NAC to add. Selenium as well.
        This is not medical advice, just opinion, I am not a doctor, but this is the treatment suggested by Dr Vlad Zelenko (yes, an MD), Dr Ryan Cole, Dr Peter McCullough, and others, with various nuances to the protocol.
        Early treatment is essential, you have to be your own medical champion. The Canadian medical system is incompetent, sending you home, take two aspirin and call me in the morning, wait until you’re near your deathbed then call us, where you can be pumped full of Remdesivir, which will put you into Renal failure by the way…..F_CKING INCOMPETENT!

        Ignore all government medical authorities in Canada, they are either compromised, or corrupt, they are not acting in your best interests.

        We are in a culture war now.

    3. “…being vaccinated increases your chance of death. …” There isn’t a chance of death, it’s a certainty. Everyone dies of something or other, eventually. Meanwhile, the nanny state, cheered on by the ninny population, prevents us living.

  6. My own County Board of Stuporvisors just voted to declare COVID misinformation a … ready for it … “a Public Health crisis”.

    https://www.ktvu.com/news/coco-covid-misinformation-is-a-public-health-crisis

    So just STOP IT SDA! Now that my County has declared your misinformation a Public Health Crisis … they will be shutting down my internet connection to “save” me from your EVIL propaganda. Your propaganda that has not yet been cleared by Government Censors.

    Yes. I need to MOVE … sooner rather than later. I need to get OUT of this increasingly Soviet-styled dystopia. The beautiful weather isn’t worth it anymore.

  7. Death rates per population are meaningless. Everyone who died before the vaccines were available count against the unvaccinated, but many of those who perished were the most immuno-compromised individuals and before treatment protocols had been established. Current hospital admissions rates and current mortality rates (provided they are honest about co-morbidities) are the only meaningful measures.

    1. Not exactly. The population changes, and the math can change with it. Or if you are like me, you only look at the past month or so.

      For example, the Israel data for the past week shows the unvaccinated are 16x more likely to die from Covis.

      1. Just thinking out loud here Allan S, I would not use the data from Israel for anything past the middle of August might have something to do with BOOSTER SHOTS.

        Once they started doing that I consider there data useless, they are now in a different time warp than the rest of the world!

  9. vaxxed or not?

    Do what you can to protect yourself and your family. Vitamin C, Zinc, and especially Vitamin D. Low Vitamin D is an indicator of a bad COVID experience. There are studies that show high levels of Vitamin D around 50 ng/mol will prevent fatalties. Get your Vitamin D level checked.

    I bet your Vitamin D level is low unless you are taking more than 2,000 IU of Vitamin D every day. We are living in the upper latitudes, stay inside, and wear clothes. We do not get as much natural Vitamin D as our ancestors did running around the African Savannah 100,000 years ago.

    1. Pretty much anything cures covid, anything except gov’t treatment – that’ll kill you quick

      1. Government what? In Canada there is no approved treatment for Covid. You are to got home, lock yourself in your bedroom, and only call for help if you can’t breathe. Then maybe they’ll send an ambulance for you to take you to hospital where they’ll shove a tube down your throat and see if you survive.

        It’s the most unbelievable aspect of the pandemic to me, this utter refusal by western medicine to even try any kind of early treatment. Gotta wait for some new designer drug that will be patented and make a drug manufacturer a fortune.

    2. I note that the market works when it’s allowed to. On the advice of old-time SDA commenter Loki I started megadosing (10,000IU/day) on Vitamin D years ago. This requires taking ten dry chalky pills every day, because the largest pill for sale was 1,000IU.

      Jamieson now sells “extra strength” Vitamin D at 2,500IU/pill. That’s new, that didn’t exist six months ago.

      1. Thanks for the Jamieson tip. My Chiropractor told me about vitamin D deficiency years and years ago.

    3. According to the Trudeau health minister anyone who says vitamin D helps is spreading misinformation.

  10. Interesting that a study came out the other day showing that aspirin had effectiveness in reducing the rate of hospitalization in people with Covid, then yesterday the government “experts” reversed the decades long advice that people over 65 take a daily low dose aspirin to reduce the threat of stroke.

    By interesting I of course meant completely expected in this climate of pushing the ineffective “vaccines” and expensive options like Remsdivir and the new Merck drug over anything off patent.

    1. I saw that and am left wondering if the medical community wants to be taken seriously anymore.

    2. Remdesivir will kill your kidneys, countless stories out of the US now with survivors requiring kidney transplants, and, many deaths due to renal failure.
      The medical systems are corrupt and compromised, being admitted to a hospital now is a virtual death sentence.

      Be your own health champion, the good advice is out there.

      Its as if government is actually trying to kill people, hmmmm, wonder why…….

    3. I’d be curious what taking high potency Curcumin does in place of Aspirin.

  11. Personally, I lack the attention span to listen to anything for 3 plus hours, especially academic self congratulatory navel gazing. Kindly get to the point and then move along.

  12. I’m wondering if being unvaccinated against COVID keeps you young at heart.

    I saw a couple of old guys wondering around in front of a Regina liquor store asking people if they would “pull” them some beer. I haven’t seen that since the ’70s.

  14. I don’t like the drugs masquerading as vaccines, and I haven’t taken any. That said:

    From the table, 80+ – Unvaxxed 490, deaths 198: % that died -> 40%
    From the table, 80+ but vaxxed 10,369, deaths 1,272: % that died -> 12%

    Disregarding side effects – not that they don’t exist, just disregarding them – you’re 3x as likely to die from Covid if you’re unvaxxed and over 80, according to these stats.

    300% as likely to die if you are unvaxxed. That’s a big number.

    Of course, that’s in England, where they bury their heads in the sand about Ivermectin, HCQ, and other effective treatments.

  15. Do you really not understand that your tables don’t have enough data to draw any conclusions from? You really should take a class, with an actual professor who can answer your objections, not read some book where you are never challenged.

    It’s making you look really stupid, or even dishonest.

  16. I posted this further up, but replies can get lost in the mess of old threads, and I think this bears repeating….

    Arguing that the vaccine reduces symptoms is fine. (death is a symptom)
    But the unavoidable consequence of reducing symptomatic expression is that there are a disproportionately large number of infected vaccinated people in the population who are untested because they are asymptomatic. There is solid evidence that they carry equally high viral loads and fit the classic profile of “super-spreaders”.

    The claim that covid is predominantly spread by unvaccinated people lies in a smoking ruin, and with it, the case for mandatory vaccination.

    ……..aaaaaaand, no. You cannot argue with the slightest integrity that mandatory vaccination in justified either “for your own good” or “to reduce the burden on the health system” , without applying exactly the same argument to a large number of high-risk personal choices ranging from drinking, smoking and eating junk-food, to riding motorcycles and engaging in non-monogamous sex.

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