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  1. The “authorities” HATE the idea of natural immunity as it completely undercuts the cat herding rationale of the much vaunted vax passports. They are using the inconvenience of demanding vax passports to gain jab compliance nothing else.

    You vill show zee papiere Bitte!

    This is the same sort of utter and complete stupidity of demanding the milking maids getting inoculated for smallpox.

    Utterly redundant and serves no useful purpose; other than to fill Fat Pharma’s pockets with CEO $$remuneration$$.

    Yep we all fell off the turnip truck just yesterday. 🙂

    Cheers

    Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  2. Indeed it is a good question. I don’t have link, but I recall reading a physician or scientist saying that getting an mRNA shot destroys natural antibodies. I will see if I can find link.

      1. Actually Kate… there may be something to this. I’m simply speculating here, but it MAY have something to do with ADE…

        But again, my usual disclaimer. I am not a scientist, nor a medical professional, and I admit my understanding is not bulletproof, so take my humble opinion for what it’s worth.

    3. The Red Cross said that related to Covid recovered but injected people’s blood not being usable for transfusion of plasma to use for Covid treatment (convalescent plasma therapy). And the FDA, in December last year. https://fox40.com/news/coronavirus/fda-bans-convalescent-plasma-donations-from-covid-19-vaccine-recipients/ The FDA more recently changed their mind. But Red Cross shut down its convalescent plasma program. What many dissenting doctors are concerned with is what else is actually in the blood of injected people and why so many have distorted looking red and white blood cells. https://sarahwestall.com/vetted-images-blood-before-and-after-the-mrna-covid-vaccine-shot/

    4. I have not heard that the vaccine destroyed natural antibodies, but rather if you are infected with a variant of the original virus, the newly generated antibodies to the variant are blocked by the antibodies from the original variant. The analogy used is based on the 4 variants of Dengue Fever. If you have one variant of Dengue and recover you are more vulnerable to one of the other variants, because the antibodies produced in response to the second variant are blocked by the first variant’s antibodies. This leads to the more severe Dengue hemorrhagic fever.

  4. Yes, sure, if you want to travel anywhere, dine out or see a game. The genuine Covid survivors mostly got the jabs.

    After all, “trust the science”, not your own immune system. Actually, do Canadians actually know anything much about their immune systems beyond thinking that kale and blueberries are good and probably yummy red meat is bad?

    No, I thought not, as most people did not take any biology courses that went past identifying leaf shapes and no one knows where their spleen is.

    That data on previously had COVID will never even be collected, as “the science”, as per the un-elected “emergency” overlords, is now extremely corrupt.

    Why crap on Jason Kenney? All premiers in Canada are singing from the same psalm book.

  5. They did a very large study, using blood bank blood in the US and have concluded that 20% of Americans have had COVID already, which was close to double what they thought. They study was published a couple weeks ago. It’s more now. Cases are falling, deaths are falling, 75% have one kind of immunity or another, maybe more. Excess deaths started their plunge even before Biden’s inauguration and have been heading down ever since and deaths have been near normal for many weeks. Cases are dropping. The crisis would be over if the politicians didn’t need it so badly.

    The vaccines work, though Pfizer seems to wear out pretty quickly, the deaths started falling as soon as the vaccine rollout to the most vulnerable elderly got underway. I like Barnes, but they keep track of stats on who had it, who was vaccinated only, and who was vaxxed and had had it.

      1. As soon as the vaccine rolled out to the people who were dying with the most frequency, deaths started to drop. You can call it a coincidence, but the deaths began to drop in each age group as the vaccine was rolled out to that age group. As for the question below about people who didn’t know they had it, the survey was done of blood samples from blood banks nationwide, nobody was asked if they had it or not.

        I would have thought you guys would be happy that the CDC determined that the number of people who had it was almost double the World-o-Vision number. Doesn’t that fit into your narrative? Or are you just going to double this number again based only on your ideas of what it should be.

        By you guys reckoning, deaths should have begun to climb as the vaccine rolled out and as more then half the population has been vaccinated. Vermont has had nearly 85% of the population vaccinated, so there should be free farmland here any day now, right? Except that only one or two people a day are dying here, mostly unvaccinated, though since the extreme elderly are over 90% vaccinated, there are a few vaccinated individuals dying of it too, just not at the same rate as the unvaccinated.

    2. Many people don’t even know if they had it. Don’t forget for most people it is inocuous, I might we have had it back in February 2020 or in July 2021.

    3. The “vaccines” do not work. If you have not contracted the whu who flu then your immune system is good or you have not been exposed.

  7. My wife went through the whole covid thing — ICU, intubation, long hospitalization. She has been recovering at home for some months, now. In recovery, she was forced to share a room. They segregated supposedly by covid subtypes. Patients sharing rooms were not required to wear PPE. All staff and visitors were.

    1. Murray,

      I wish her well.

      Young healthy nephew got the Rona, probably from some fellow workers that visited China in February 2020.
      He had a tough time, pneumonia, chills, fever, aches, and slowly revovered.
      Still had a cough for a month, and absolutely no energy through May.

      have patience.

  8. Never mind that 81% of the population already possesses heterologous immunity, as was evidenced by what happened aboard the Diamond Princess…

    SARS-CoV-2-derived peptides define heterologous and COVID-19-induced T cell recognition

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-020-00808-x.pdf

    From the preamble:
    “Cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 peptides revealed pre-existing T cell responses in 81% of unexposed individuals and validated similarity with common cold coronaviruses, providing a functional basis for heterologous immunity in SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

    What that means in layman’s terms is you might get a little sick, but your body will fight it off.
    Which…sounds EXACTLY like what they are now claiming the clot shots do!

    1. Yes I was also very concerned when the oubreak of the panic started. But I completely changed when I saw the results of the unintentional experiment of the Princess Diamond. 85% were unaffected. Of the other 15% who were, half had no symptoms (some disease!) and only the rest had symptoms and became ill. Some did die. Sample size over 3000. Test duration 6 weeks.

    2. Everybody knows that only some people get severe infections. The problem is knowing in advance if you are going to be among the one in five, according to your study, who has zero protection. How you relate this number to Diamond Princess, which was a limited time experiment, and where once people realized that the lab-leaked bat virus was on board, they changed their behavior, how you relate these numbers to that limited experiment as if they proved anything is a wonder to behold.

      The simple fact is that as the vaccine rolled out to different age groups, deaths due to COVID dropped in those age groups. Once you get below the age of fifty, deaths are pretty low in any case, and I guess the vaccine decision should come down to whether you have older relatives or friends you come into contact with often. Like the older waitress or checkout lady at the supermarket. Still their risk is pretty low, if they have been vaxxed, and if they haven’t, it’s on them.

  9. In Sask. the SHA does not allow a blood test for covid antibodies. This test is available in AB and BC from the same company that does the blood testing in Saskatchewan. It took me a 6 weeks of phone calls and emails to finally get the answer from the SHA that “no they do/will not offer the test here”. They beat around the bush on all their replies until I asked for an in-person meeting with someone at a high manager level.

    1. USA. You can pay for the test and get a nice winter vacation.

      Canadian universal health care sucks, as we know, and most of you never voted for it, as those who did were born before 1926 of 7.

      https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-care-system/reports-publications/health-care-system/canada.html#a3

      It came in the year I was born, so no one who was younger than 21 in 1947 voted for this ponzi scheme. Ditto for most of the other “social care programs”.

      https://www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/hist/pensions/cpp-timeline_e.html

    3. I feel bad about the way you guys’ government is treating you. Vermont doesn’t allow antibody tests, even though the science suggests that if you can show you have been sick with COVID, that’s a little bit better than being vaxxed as far as immunity is concerned, way better than being vaxxed with Pfizer, of course if you are over 50, you risked death to get that immunity, and as has been related in this thread, you risked awful illness. Florida allows antibody tests and they are easy to get. In Europe they allow antibody test results as part of their green pass program.

      It’s all politics, which makes it harder to argue that the vaccines are helpful in reducing deaths of people over 50, because the governments keep pulling all of this other crap at the same time, and they keep trying to force the jab on people who don’t really benefit from it, that is people who have already been sick or people under 50 who don’t have older friends and relatives that they care about.

      Just remember that just because the government says something, that doesn’t mean it’s either not true, or true. You have to ignore them and look at the data, which says that the shots have saved a lot of lives of people over 50.

  11. I had COVID last year and recovered fairly quickly, not a severe case even though I’m a diabetic senior. So I have immunity better than if I just got a double jab. So I applied for a vaccine passport. Denied. In order to get one I must be double jabbed. Makes no sense unless you are a civil servant.

    Israel started with the vax passports some time ago, and they issued them to those who recovered.

    1. Dirtman, Israel’s two jab passport is now no good. You now have to have a third jab to be “fully protected”.

  12. Vietnam makes a nice little case study. Prior to the involvement of vaccines (which, again, is not a vaccine but a genetic injection) Vietnam had only 38 fatalities attributed to Covid. As they are so close to China, that’s remarkable. Vietnam is the only country in Southeast Asia to have positive economic growth during the Covid era. Their country remained open and active.

    Now the interesting stuff. In February of 2021 (after Vietnam was basically Covidless)….they started “vaccines.” A month later the Delta variant shot through the country like wildfire causing nearly 1,000 deaths.

    Occam’s Razor suggests that the “vaccine” is somehow related to the Delta variant. But, instead of even considering that…the journalists and government officials in Vietnam won’t even entertain that possibility.

    1. In many highly-vaxxed countries, waves of high cases corresponded to the vaccination campaigns, and I haven’t seen an explanation of why that happened.

  13. You can’t have a vaccine passport and all that goes with it, unless you have a mandatory vaccine.

    There was a period of time when we didn’t know it was going on when some of the government overreach could be justified.

    Now it’s not, we know who it kills, we know who is susceptible, and we know who is not.

    We also know there is a tremendous number of therapeutics that will prevent hospitalization and death, and we also know that CANADA is banning them.

    So maybe we don’t need to get into the details of how many angels dance on the head of a pin or the hows and whys, and just focus on the fact that this is nothing more than a plandemic with governments working together in concert to implement the great reset as outlined in Mr. Schwab‘s book.

    And to satisfy Bill Gates desire to vaccinate the world, think what you may about his other desire to reduce its population.

    There is zero need for mandatory vaccinations.

  14. I’ve e-mailed Dr. Bonnie Henry about this very thing, several times. Radio silence is her response.

    I am one of a group of six ‘seniors’ (all over 70). Our ‘bubble’ all contracted covid in April 2021. My wife has stage 4 lung cancer and has undergone chemo, radiation, immuno-therapy, more chemo and now, more radiation. Needless to say, her immune system is “compromised”. Another of us has type 2 diabetes. A third fell 40 feet a couple of years ago and suffers from all kinds of maladies. The rest of us are just old. Five of us experienced covid as a week long, fairly mild cold or flu. The sixth was doing fine, but got her first shot immediately after being tested but before her ‘positive’ notification arrived. She fare the most badly, but even in her case it required no medical care whatsoever.

    So now we’re all ‘triple-immunized’ but still required to mask up, sanitize, avoid close contact with others and have to show our papers to order a meal. Saint Bonnie won’t disclose how many of the 167,000 ‘positive cases in BC required any medical attention, despite this being a relevant and important piece of information. She’s also now setting us up to curtail our lives until at least Spring of 2022, because you know ….. grandma might die.

  15. I expect they didn’t even check for it, so yes. Why do I say this? Because since the very beginning of this hysteria, the authorities, epidemiologists and government health authorities have assumed this was a “new” virus and thus no one had any immunity.

  16. With all the restrictions, what kind of moron is going to get a test, and guarantee that their kids and all the kids they sit next to will be out of school for 2 weeks?
    It’s been through our house at least twice. Wife and I…nada…we think she/i had it in January ’20

    One son has had it twice (lost taste/smell), and we all eat dinner together and drive places together. No school time lost, either.

    my 85 year old dad had a really bad cold for two weeks, and 2 weeks later my sister had it (my dad lives in my sisters house).
    In my family, there are probably at least 20 people who had it but never were tested.

    I got some paste in case my horse gets worms, but with no cold symptoms in two years, I’m pretty sure my horse won’t need it.

  18. “If anyone’s aware of a jurisdiction that contextualizes their data on vaccine effectiveness by isolating the Covid-naive from the Covid-recovered, I’d sure like to see it.”

    You can get at this, albeit indirectly, by looking at randomized control trials (RCTs) of vaccine efficacy.

    Unless a jurisdiction’s general vaccine rollout program tested each recipient for existing antibodies before administering a jab (which would be cost- and time-prohibitive), I doubt that unequivocal evidence of the kind that you’re asking about exists anywhere in the world — the data needed to differentiate Covid-naive from Covid-recovered simply wouldn’t have been collected through those programs. Maybe Iceland? They have a small-ish population and exceptional public health and clinical surveillance infrastructure, so it’s possible they have the means to answer this directly.

    Instead, you might look to vaccine clinical trials themselves as well as independent research studies that examine vaccine effectiveness. In both cases, RCT design is critical.

    All COVID vaccine stage 3 clinical trials excluded those who had a “previous clinical or microbiological diagnosis of COVID-19” or a “known history of SARS-CoV-2 infection”. So, the vaccine efficacy levels observed in those trials would reflect only efficacy among the “COVID-naive”. Whether you accept the validity of those trial results in the first place is a separate question.

    As for independent vaccine effectiveness studies, some have indeed looked specifically at vaccine pharmacodynamics in the COVID-recovered vs. the COVID-naive — these have generally found that previous natural infection juices rather than accounts for the subsequent immune response that’s generated by vaccination, e.g., here, and here. But even among vaccine effectiveness studies that don’t break down participants by previous infection status, a proper RCT design would in theory have resulted in COVID-recovered and COVID-naive participants being evenly distributed into treatment and control arms, such that the study results that follow will have controlled for previous infection, known or unknown. And those studies by and large have demonstrated strong vaccine effectiveness, certainly for protection against severe outcomes, but also to some extent protection against infection risk, mild symptoms, and/or onward transmission, at least for a time.

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