“Who in their right mind can say we found 1,505 babies murdered, murdered in these schools, hidden and buried in the ground, and in the same breathe say the residential schools were a good thing?”
“Who in their right mind can say we found 1,505 babies murdered, murdered in these schools, hidden and buried in the ground, and in the same breathe say the residential schools were a good thing?”
It is likely too late for Pallister to grow a spine and stand up to the bullying coming from Dumas, although there is no room for discussion with the stance the Grand Chief is taking. Based on this rhetoric, all that is left is reasoned confrontation.
This is all about money and nothing else. The chiefs smell a windfall coming their way.
The joke is on them.
We are living on printed money and the Chinese don’t care who was “here first”.
It’s all about the chief getting another brand new Dodge 1-ton 4X4 with dual rear wheels.
It was the only alternative at that time in Canada’s history and no one can say different.
it is now about to become another contribution to to the native Indian funding process.
No one is saying either of those things.
Actually residential schools were generally a good thing. The qualifier is that they were largely wasted resources, but certainly they did more good than harm to the students attending those schools. They were imperfect, certainly, but the students were better off than under any feasible alternatives.
Why bother educating them? Why not just let them party like its 1399 and let their kids grow up with all the education of a toilet seat, while we built our society around them?
“Actually residential schools were generally a good thing. The qualifier is that they were largely wasted resources, but certainly they did more good than harm to the students attending those schools. They were imperfect, certainly, but the students were better off than under any feasible alternatives.”
This is true, but no politician is apparently allowed to repeat it.
Oh did I miss the forensics report stating that 1505 children took head shots to the cranium?
Since when were all these graves exhumed and the bodies examined for telltale signs of HOMICIDE?
And who authorized the removal and examination of all the deceased?
Okay, we live in a country that lets you evacuate the uterus with carefree abandon at any time until the day before birth; but don’t tell me we just started valuing “THE CHILDREN”. Utter twaddle!
Most of these children died, not of Nazi execution squads roaming the countryside, but of things like tuberculosis etc.
http://www.trc.ca/assets/pdf/Volume_4_Missing_Children_English_Web.pdf
But of course actually reading 273 pages is too much in a clickbait internet society.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
who can say in their right mind that 1505 “babies” were found?
Producing, let alone using, real evidence is racist!
Anyone who is in a position of holding an Orwellian title such as, “Indigenous Reconciliation and Northern Relations Minister” is lost in everything except reinforcing apartheid in accordance with the race-baiting, poverty-pimping, communist racial ghetto enclave leading, professional Indians or their white-pimp, guilt-ridden apologists and bureaucrats of the apartheid industry. That minister was hopelessly trying to contextualize what the apartheid industry has worked tirelessly for decades at rewriting the history of as sacrosanct narrative and article of faith. If you don’t line up behind the narrative that the residential schools were the metaphysical equivalent of Auschwitz, you must be a racist and advocate for Indian extermination.
John, another Orwellian title is “Minister of the Middle Class”. Bureaucrats in that department are still trying to figure out what they are supposed to do.
That would be the only government ministry in Canada that is working to put itself out of business by eliminating its object.
Next expect the grand revelation that Masonic lodges in Britain, arranged for millions of small Indian children to be murdered at the schools.
So what does he want, money perhaps?
The majority of those children died of tuberculosis, which affected the indigenous people more adversely than Europeans, who had been coping with the disease for centuries already.
Mass graves! Genocide!
CNN: Canada’s reckoning after the discovery of mass graves at former schools
USA Today: the discovery of a mass grave containing the remains of 215 children, all uncovered on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school.
The Daily Beast: Statue of the Queen Toppled as Canadians Protest the Mass Graves of Indigenous Children – NO PRIDE IN GENOCIDE
The Guardian: UN experts urge Canada and Vatican to hold swift mass graves investigation.
Aljazeera: Niigaanwewidam Sinclair says the recent discoveries of mass graves of Indigenous children have vindicated what his community has long known.
I’m sure there are many more of these “mass grave” “genocide” stories told by stupid/careless/evil journalists.
Well … to be fair … the Washington Post did retract (somewhere behind the fold on page 19) their claim of mass graves! found on Residential School sites.
@Kenji They’ve probably also changed the headline, which would explain why my search didn’t turn up any Washington Post entries. There were plenty of others though: NYTimes, Associated Press, Reuters, The Hill, Canadian Press — who should have known better! — and even the “conservative” National Post!
Indigenous groups in Canada are calling for a nationwide search for mass graves at residential school sites after the discovery of the remains of 215 children at one former school last week shocked the country. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Monday that searching for more mass graves was “an important part of discovering the truth” but did not make specific commitments. Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation announced last week they had found the remains of 215 children, some as young as three years old, buried at the site of the Kamloops Indian Residential School, once Canada’s largest such school.
Indigenous groups call for Canada to identify graves after remains of 215 children found, (National Post, via Reuters)
It almost seems as if human beings are getting stupider.
Doesn’t anyone ask the most basic, simple, question of this nonsense? Such as … how did one discern the age of a 3yo in a mass grave via ground penetrating radar? Oh! They discovered the age from a grave marker … uh huh … marked out there on mass PIT of Indian children stacked like cordwood.
Faux Outage needs no facts. It doesn’t even need to think
I was awatching the news tonight. Global. The anchor used the words “mass graves”. The media is in there formenting trouble. The use is deliberate.
The media is in there formenting trouble.
Not just the media. I heard that kind of stuff through the church 40 years ago. So much for all being equal before God.
JB, “The use is deliberate”, Yup,
Hubble bubble, toil and trouble, stir the pot, and make it double,
Huff and puff, lie and twist, the new truth they’ll not resist.
Drive them insane, they’ll yearn for a stable life and sanity,
just to bring an end to all this crazy calamity.
Ya wanna know what else didn’t (and still doesn’t) exist on the Reservations … along with hot and cold running water? Forensics. The Native peoples don’t understand forensic science, or DNA, or blood types. They don’t know what the word “exhume” means. They don’t have a single FACT from which they can claim “murder” of Native children at Residential school sites.
They also don’t know a thing about disease … let alone childhood diseases. They don’t know anything about history, or childhood life expectancy 100-150 years ago. This man wouldn’t shed a tear for a single little white girl cut down at the age of 6 from diphtheria. Nahhhh … she deserved to die … because of her “settler” parents.
This man is spewing ignorance … on full display for everyone to see and mock. The man needs to read a book instead of taking “oral histories” as some kind of evidence in our science-based world. The man is an ignorant FOOL. And a TOOL, for the Marxists doing their best to DIVIDE and conquer a Free Nation. Yeah … Reconcile. How about some FACTS first?
@Kenji Here’s another example, this time from an American activist, via the Canadian Press wire service, who either couldn’t comprehend, or couldn’t be bothered to point out these were not mass graves.
Canada’s tragic residential-school reckoning could be grim harbinger for U.S.
“There is a reckoning happening,” said Chase Iron Eyes, a prominent U.S. Indigenous activist and lead counsel for the North Dakota-based Lakota People’s Law Project. They don’t teach this in schools — not in Canadian schools, not in American schools — that there are mass graves of children at church-run, government-sponsored residential schools and boarding schools. And now we’re no longer able to hide from those truths.”
Instead of reconciliation, we need recolonization.
They’re taking another trip to the money well and with the help of the media who are greasing the skids for them.
It’ll never end. There are no “mass graves” …they’re unmarked graves. it’s a bullshit con perpetrated by those who want another pay day.
Ask Governor General Ms.Mary Simon if she suffered abuse when she attended the Anglican run yet federally funded Indian Day School in Fort Chimo back in the fifties and was named in a class action lawsuit…I fng dare anyone.
Walpole Island, an Indian Reserve near Windsor has declared a state of emergency because of an unprecedented number of drug overdoses by their youth the past week.
Reason according to the chief? “This has been compounded with traumas triggered by the uncovering of mass graves at residential schools. We cannot begin to address this problem without acknowledging that this is a spiritual impasse that is at the core of our community at this time. Healing must take place across our community.”
See how this works?
Formerly marked graves perhaps? My evil settler family has a pretty large plot at a cemetery which we visit it a couple times a year and If it wasn’t being maintained I would gladly pitch in and do my part. I guess I have more time on my hands than the residents of a certain Saskatchewan reserve.
I still maintain that what residential schools became is a shining example of socialism at its best.
Can I use that?
Feelings or facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcj3sBQ_XKk
Anyone else notice that a new grievance is cooked up, every ten years or so, to whine about healing only with dollars?
Of course, exhumation and examination of the remains will remain forbidden. Determining whether the radar found bodies would only add to the trauma.
Best continue with the doubt and uncertainty as to what might be there. More “healing” money can be made that away.
This is what happened in Osoyoos.
There was a provincial park on a peninsula that juts out into the lake. A very nice park.
For some reason the provincial park somebody decided that there was a need for another building, could have been a toilet.
Anyway, they started digging, found a bone and that was the end of the provincial park.
There was no exhumation, no research, no nothing. Only one bone. Nobody, but nobody knows what it is. It could as easy be an early gold-digger or it could be a deer. No verification allowed.
The natives said to the politicians, jump. The politicians said how high.
End of story.
Actually, anyone knowing their bones would have been able to say if human or animal; no sweat. So presumably it was identified as human. Agreed, could be either prospector or native.
Years ago, when going along Highway 3 to Vancouver, there was an unexpected jog in what would have been a straight road. C P Lyons had driven the roadway and produced an extremely detailed and interesting description of what one could see on the journey. I, as a child, was fascinated. Anyway, according to Mr Lyons, this particular jog was to avoid an Indian grave. There was no marker, but there was the jog.
And roll out these “discoveries” one by one to build momentum to create the maximum sense of “outrage” and, week by week, make it impossible to express a rational comment on the matter.
All media is in the business of creating narrative or supporting a narrative.
Which role depends on who is paying.
“Dave Baxter is a Local Journalism Initiative reporter who works out of the Winnipeg Sun. The Local Journalism Initiative is funded by the Government of Canada.“
Let me translate that.
This so-called journalist regurgitates what ever screed is promulgated from the PMO. Right now the flavour of the moment is murdered indigenous children.
Our local cemetery is maintained by volunteers.
I guess everyone is too busy there to volunteer to do the same.
Were these graves always unmarked, or did the churches use simple wooden crosses that decayed?
How many students were in each of these schools?
What time period were these graves from?
The number of graves seems excessive by modern standards, but they are not modern graves, they span 100 years of operation and include the time of the Spanish Flu which was more serious for the young and healthy, as well as all sorts of now trivial diseases, and at least half of the time they were in operation was pre antibiotic.
I have no problem with claims that the schools were often run by assholes (still an issue today), or that some may have had malevolent intent (also still an issue with todays schools), but to claim that these are all murders is ridiculous.
It must be remembered that , while the churches ran the schools, the feds provided the funding and – as is usual – the actual funds which got to the schools were seriously not adequate. The feds, having paid the Hudson’s Bay Company a fair sum (negotiated via London) for Rupert’s Land, was faced with a serious dilemma as to what to do with said lands. At that time, save for a few trading posts and the small area around Winnipeg (Selkirk Settlers and consequent homesteads along the Red River), the prairies were inhabited by nomadic, stone-age tribes (though a fair few had acquired – by trade or other means – horses, knives, and guns) who were also slave-owning. The Americans were pushing westward and were also looking north (think Fort WhoopUp) to expand their territory. It was obvious that the plains would be put to the plough, and the nomadic ways of the then inhabitants would be totally curtailed. It was obvious to most at that time that the locals would have to seriously switch lifestyles. What followed was indeed tragic, but I defy the current critics to say how they could have done it better.
And as for those graves, there are a couple of young’uns in our family buried we know not where or when. Just know they were the first two in the family and died young, the others following them having survived to adulthood.
“Were these graves always unmarked, or did the churches use simple wooden crosses that decayed?
How many students were in each of these schools?
What time period were these graves from?”
The Kamloops graveyard (which everyone knew was there) originally marked the graves with wooden markers. The residential school was in operation for 80 years, which means an average of 2.7 graves *per year* or so. Some genocide.
1505 babies murdered murdered. You are to believe this without question. Truth, like mathematics, has become a tool of racist oppressors.
Another Indian playing Race War Poker.
Time to start calling bluffs because – and don’t fucking kid yourself – if this dude suddenly had the power there’d be a “Settler” Auschwitz in every neighborhood from coast to coast to coast.
Money is the bonus. Subjugation and demonization of the white man, and his evil white ways is the real prize
Perhaps, but that demonization is the surest path to ensure that the money bonus is large and is perpetual.
This Grand Chief Arlen Dumas of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs is quite the faeces disruptor with a history of taking offence when Pallister speaks. He campaigned for an indigenous GG.
He also needed to take a break from official duties in 2019 after multiple women accused him of inappropriate behavior. He must be a feminist like Justin.
There is no way this topic can be discussed rationally in the current environment of unabashed grifting by the usual victim mongers and total hysteria on the part of the media and the rest of the chattering classes.
Prove they were murdered. Until then STFU.
“Prove they were murdered. Until then STFU.”
Agreed. So, you found graves, you say? In a graveyard? Oh, THE HORROR!!
Funny how they suddenly shut up about the graves they’ve ‘discovered’ (which all the locals have known about for years) and just move on to the next ‘discovery’. One might almost think that they’re afraid to exhume those bodies and determine cause of death.
Who in their right mind makes outlandish and inflammatory claims about clandestine child-murders, leaves shoes everywhere, pulls down statues, demands government money for these mass-no-unmarked-no-unidentified graves (with SNC Lavalin’s help – how did that happen, I wonder?) and then quietly walks back the 215 dead bodies that no one quite proved are there?
Oh, and for the extra ounce of douchebaggery, Justin supports a criminal investigation into the residential schools:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8041594/residential-schools-criminal-investigation-trudeau-interview/
Who burned those churches down, Justin?
What a f@g.
“Oh, and for the extra ounce of douchebaggery, Justin supports a criminal investigation into the residential schools:”
I would love to see it, but it won’t happen. It can’t.
Not just because of the time frame (almost everyone responsible for any real wrongdoing is long dead) and the complete lack of physical evidence. Real court, you see, is nothing like the Court of Public Opinion, and they will quickly figure this out if they find anyone to prosecute (a church, for example) and force them to defend themselves. All that positive stuff about the origins, intent and actual operation of the vast majority of residential schools that no one is allowed to say in public right now without immediately being attacked and intimidated into silence by the crybullies? You CAN say it in court. ,..and they will. Over and over again. With witnesses.
Careful what you wish for, SJWs.
Well, Mr. Fred, the courts and the government can’t let someone wave about a feather and endure a “sentence circle”, either, but here we are.
Damn that is special.
That “Ground Penetrating Radar” The Sacred Native American Of Can Ahh Duh’s version..
I sure hope they have a patent.
Cause Radar that can tell you so much from so little ,is an amazing technological breakthrough..
Or Big Chief Grievance Monger is Lying his face off..Again.
I do not give a damn about this lying Parasite,trying to gain power and cash on the graves of dead children..he is just a typical Liberal..
But the media ,they are another story.
No bag limit and no statute of limitations for such treasonous scum.
Too bad Pallister lacks a spine,cause this lie is so crude,callous and ugly that it must be called.
Give this race baiting blowhard a shiny new shovel and make him dig..He has stated we are murders..
Time the parasite puts up or gets shut up.
“Who in their right mind can say we found 1,505 babies murdered, murdered in these schools, hidden and buried in the ground, and in the same breathe say the residential schools were a good thing?”
Of course he could be mocking the whole gong show,how would we know?
For no one in their right mind,would make such hideous accusations with so little evidence..
Which is just more proof Liberals are insane.
Perhaps too much free stuff rots you ability to think?
I find this whole incident to be fascinating from the POV of propaganda studies.
The fact that everyone – the Indian bands, the media, the government, your annoying neighbours – is out-and-out lying about this is trivially provable from the bands’ own press releases. Five minutes of Googling for GPR will bring up all the information you need to understand that it can’t discern bodies from boulders or badger burrows. The bands themselves admit they’ve only done “preliminary” GPR surveys, which they haven’t even released.
There’s a massive amount of coordinated effort being put into convincing people to believe this lie. And it’s working.
It seems this “compassionate generation” has their outrage assault weapons set to a hair trigger … ANYTHING … that condemns the past, condemns white settlers, condemns established culture is a TRIGGER for their useless weepy faced OUTRAGE!
Difficult things like … science, technology, math, and history are too cumbersome to ponder. So they simply emote. Ohhhhhhhh Mommmmaaaa! They wail! The children … oh sweet Gaia … the children!! More abuse by The Catholic Church! We should make Christianity illegal!!
The narrative has become another leftist sacred cow issue where facts will not be allowed to get in the way, so the last thing they really want would be an inquiry. To a leftist, an inquiry is a bureaucrat stating that leftist opinion is fact.
“The narrative has become another leftist sacred cow issue where facts will not be allowed to get in the way, so the last thing they really want would be an inquiry. To a leftist, an inquiry is a bureaucrat stating that leftist opinion is fact.”
My thoughts exactly. Any inquiry or court case will go horribly wrong for those trying so desperately to hide the truth (and profit from doing so).
Thank you all!
I really enjoy reading your comments and perspectives here on this post.
This is a media stirring the pot for sensationalism as they spin the narrative again.
Truth and reconciliation is too boring and doesn’t grab the readers like creative journalism does.
It does have consequences though in that the fake narrative is believed by sooooo many that just strictly follow the media narrative which is a great deal of the world. Not so much in the US as they are now suspicious of the media narrative peddling and have caught on.
So, the Native young believes this crap will have issues.
The activists from other countries too will have issues.
As they all have a distorted perspectives to reality created by the media narrative.
Canadians are still beating and murdering the Native Community children and putting them in a mass grave.
In a recent Epoch Times article, Barbara Kay made the point about the negative impact on young people when the only message is “You are a victim.” This does not give people hope or point them in a positive direction going forward. The native population has been damaged over the years, but this has been acknowledged ( Truth and Reconciliation) and compensation has been paid ( 3 billion for residential schools. ) Now we must recognize our common humanity and move forward. Destroying Canada is not going to help the cause.
Didn’t matter the amount of money paid out.
Our governments have given them the impression and the United Nations too that Canada is their legal property.
And they want us ‘Settlers’ to pay up constantly(rent) or get out.
Nothing else is acceptable as our weak leadership has given that impression.
Shut the siphon money flow tap would definitely get their attention and cooperation.
Imagine an educated and politically enfranchised aboriginal class that DOESN’T vote Liberal or NDP.
Now you know why this apartheid exists.
Serious question, not being snarky: Did Native Americans even mark individual graves, historically??
As for the media, yeah, you are talking about fatuous ignoramuses; they actually are ignorant of history and reality. They may not even know how commonplace orphanages were, or TB asylums a hundred years ago. I doubt those graves have permanent markers either. They probably don’t know that orphanages were commonplace for a couple of hundred years due to the parental death toll, poverty, and immigration. In addition to orphanages, 150,000-250,000 children were distributed across America on the orphan trains over seventy years. This is in addition to all the orphaned children taken in by friends, neighbors, and relatives. They probably don’t know that Tuberculosis is believed to have killed 1 in 7 of the people who have ever lived, or that scarlet fever, diphtheria, typhoid fever, yellow fever, rheumatic fever, pellagra, influenza, diarrhea, smallpox, cholera, strep, parasites, malnutrition and even simple infections hung over everyone’s head. So again what we have here is highly selective compassion, based on turning tragedy maudlin. Most decent people are appalled at the loss of all the children who died prematurely,
..up here near YQT, the Ojibwes’ “buried” them in little *** houses, above ground….Melvis said they also racked them near Chimney Lake too..
On the west coast, they had “air graves” where the bodies were put in the trees.
So, the left is against mass killing of babies now?
Unless they’re Chinese, Cambodian, or Soviet babies, sure!
Moreover, they all deserve the Order of Canada for their opposition to death by TB and flu, just like my neighbours with their “Love Over Hate” virtue buzzword lawn signs. Heroes, every goddamn one of them, bless their intellectually stunted hearts!
Again,without double standards our Progressive comrades would have no standards at all.
Their passion for abortion,may be part of why they cannot think..
Killing unborn double plus good.
Kids dying of disease super bad,except when those kids are in Progressive care,then it is “regrettable tragedy,and all the fault of conservatives not giving up enough money”.
As for those “Unmarked Graves”Meh ..Proves how stupid the Presstitutes really are.
Indians didn’t mark their graves.
Indians didn’t have a written language to mark graves with.
Ah, but that’s not the problem – it’s that the people running the schools herded the kids into ditches and blew their brains out, dontcha see? A little quicklime, a little shovelling, and it becomes a problem for the future. /sarc off
Let’s call this Dumas what he is: lying filth.
“Ah, but that’s not the problem – it’s that the people running the schools herded the kids into ditches and blew their brains out, dontcha see? A little quicklime, a little shovelling, and it becomes a problem for the future. /sarc off
Let’s call this Dumas what he is: lying filth.”
Have you heard the story about Catholic priests throwing newly born babies (the results of them raping the native girls in their care) into incinerators *alive*?
(not kidding…it’s an actual accusation made by someone)
Not sure who might be gullible enough to believe something that ridiculous…maybe Trudeau?
Who in their right mind can say that there are thousands of children trafficked into the United States each year and in the same breathe [sic] say open borders is a good thing?
https://nypost.com/2021/04/17/how-bidens-border-policy-will-increase-child-sex-trafficking-to-us/
Here’s a brief but accurate representation of how Indigenous Tribes dealt with death and burial previous to the “Settlers” arriving & the Church’s in Canada and Residential Schools:
https://www.joincake.com/blog/native-american-death-rituals/
Since the Chiefs in Canada are demonizing the church’s responsible for the Residential Schools, they disavow the value of Christian values and Christian burial.
Therefore all the Chiefs’ propaganda and slander of non-native Canadian’s is a bunch of crap saying systematic racism is responsible as their own burials had no real individual markers and more often than not ensured the bodies disappeared and were freed back to the soil, the wind, the water, the Spirits.
The Chiefs are grifters. The Chiefs are thieves from their own people as demonstrated by the disappearance of Billions of taxpayers dollars over the many years. They are the racist’s. They are being Systematic in their racisim and their propaganda towards ill gain.
The Chiefs are monsters and the rest of Canada should hold them accountable for the crimes and lies towards their own people.
When these Chiefs die, ensure each has a marker so their evil Spirits remain and ensure those markers put fear into those that remain, because they should respect and know their culture and be haunted by the Evil Chief Spirits and the mayhem they made on their own people and the rest of non-indigenous Canada.
Like many leftist efforts, good intentions worked poorly. America’s residential Indian schools sought to inculcate white values into Indian children to enable them to integrate into what was perceived as the long-term good for Indians. The Dawes Act broke up many commonly owned reservations into individual plots in the hope that they would become more like white farmers. That the individual owners were taken advantage of by unscrupulous whites was an unforseen consequence of good intentions. Similarly, Ley Lerdo in Mexico sought to free Indians from the big Church-owned haciendas. But the Church turned out to be a better landlord than who end up with the land once in individual plots.
We can look back now and see loss of Indian lands and culture as bad things, but good intentions that fail to recognize human nature are domed to fail.