61 Replies to ““When you’ve exhausted all those what-ifs””

  1. Lots of video and photo evidence has existed, and been out for decades. That being said, there is still zero evidence that they are staffed by aliens or time travelers, but that won’t stop the crackpots from making those kind of assertions.

    1. I’ve seen balloons masquerading as UFOs that coincidentally are also more of a lady than all these perverts our there dressing as ladies.

      I will never see a real alien UFO and I will never see a real lady with a penis. These things in life are just as certain as taxes and death.

    2. so wait, the X-Files was an early reveal all along then? Jeebus so SARs Cov2.0 is a human derived defense mechanism against the alien bacterial weapons. Whew…thanks China, just in time.

  2. UFO simply means unidentified flying object. This is nothing new. We have been seeing unidentified flying objects through out our history. Is it aliens? Unlikely unless they invented warp drive to overcome the distance issue. If they have, then they apparently have a Prime Directive as well, forbidding them to interfere with primitive cultures.

    1. Warp drive, or any kind of FTL drive = time travel into the past, grandfather paradox, and so on, so that prime directive thing is bunk: They could do what they want, then just travel into the past and undo it, etc. Too many people get their physics from pop culture.

      1. I was being sarcastic. I didn’t think I needed to make note of that but apparently I did. 60 minutes is nothing but the propaganda arm of the DNC. I think what is really going on is Biden is doing such a miserable job they need a new really big distraction. Hyerinflation? War in the Middle East? 1970s style lines at gas stations? QUICK! Break out the UFO story. If they believed the whole COVID fairy tale they’ll believe anything.

  3. Well, duh. Who has not seen hundreds of photos and videos of UFO’s or even seen some in person? Of course they are real…. until they are IDENTIFIED!

    The fact we still have some that absolutely defy any reasonable identification we can muster is not in itself proof of aliens in spacecraft. Also then, are alien abductions to be accepted as real? We have NO proof, just shitloads of speculation.

    I am not saying alien visitors are an impossibility, none of us has the facts to discern that, I am saying that the military has been reporting visual and radar sightings for decades now. The difference I see these days is that the military is now clearly run by woketards and I do not trust their motives for repeatedly publicizing these supposed encounters.

    After MMGW, Russia Russia Russia, Iraq, Critical Race Theory and the COVID Lockdowns, please forgive me if I am wholly suspicious of yet another political fearmongering campaign from a branch of government potentially being used to keep Americans under ’emergency laws’ and whimpering in the corner.

    1. That’s what I’m thinking. A new emergency lock down order due to the UFO threat.

      1. Why stop at a lockdown? The aliens are among us!!! the only way to prove you’re human is to have an RFID chip installed in your skull. Gin up some good ole Karen panic, and people will line up for ’em, just like they do for vaccines.

  4. Let me summarize my opinion on the topic … We’ll Make Great Pets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H833o5lnB2E

    Will there be another race
    To come along and take over for us?
    Maybe martians could do
    Better than we’ve done
    We’ll make great pets!
    We’ll make great pets!
    We’ll make great pets!

    1. Well, what other uses are humans?! Pets, slaves, body parts, food, growth media, sex slaves, soldiers, zoo inmates, bad examples…

  5. UFO simply means unidentified flying object, that every nut out there thinks UFO means aliens is a topic for another day. Once it is identified, it is no longer a UFO.

    1. Lotsa things will never be identified, so I’m afraid UFOs will be with us forever, if only as records. I’m not sure if I want humanity to have full control of Earth’s airspace anyway, at least not any faction that I know of. Well, maybe the Russians, they still know men are men and women are women, they still brawl in bars, drive drunk, and smoke like chimneys…I say they need gun rights, to boot. Humans are at their best when trouble is only a hop, skip and a jump away.

  6. Don’t blame a clown, for acting like a clown. Ask yourself why you keep going to the circus.
    flat earth
    aliens
    covid
    artificial intelligence
    critical race theory
    Marx
    Xenu
    money

    Everyone picks something to believe in. Everyone finds something to fill that God shaped hole in the soul.

    1. “Ask yourself why you keep going to the circus.”

      I don’t go to the circus. The circus comes to me.

      1. Cut the cord, at least the cable cord, if you can. The only people I know who haven’t are married or women.

  7. Slow drip now quickening for an intended purpose – Project Bluebeam incoming very soon.

    1. That has got to be the dumbest conspiracy theory I’ve ever read, right up there with Isaeli’s eating babies as per the Iranian propaganda campaigns. All the goals mentioned can be relatively easily achieved without recourse to continent wide holograms in the sky, creating earthquakes with fracking, and hypersonic 5G mind-control rays. That people are gullible enough to swallow that kind of horseshit is all the evidence needed that the goals mentioned can be achieved with a standard propaganda campaign.

      1. Hard eye roll…try not to be Mr Literal.

        And FWIW, Monast died in 1996 so he couldn’t really anticipate the power of a 2021 “standard propaganda campaign” as you call it.

        1. Oh I dunno. 1940s propaganda campaigns seem pretty effective to me. Its just that now, we can expose much more people to the same propaganda, but I think only the west could swallow that men can be women.

  8. If I were inclined to cynisism I’d think what sized crazy is this designed to distract the herd from? Alternatively, this might be the right sized squirrel to distract from current clown world, or maybe it’s the latest justification for masks.

  9. Aliens – scary! Need a great reset and a world government now! I vote for floating trial balloons.

  10. Considering the honesty, integrity, and transparency that has been shown by our government over the past few decades (yes, that was /sarc), and that this UFO “phenomenon” has been around for more than my lifetime without ANY government acknowledgement that it is anything more than weird observations of otherwise ordinary stuff, I’ve got to wonder…

    Why are they letting this stuff leak out now? Is there something else they need to hide? They ALWAYS have ulterior motives, and they rationalize that it is for our own good.

    Yeah, I’ve become a bit paranoid, I suppose, but with government like this, I think that is a sound approach to anything they do.

    1. DaveK – Won’t it be that we’ll have to pay an extra tax so that our country can afford a new type of military force to protect us from these aliens?

  11. There are logically only a limited number of possibilities. Either these are some kind of natural physical phenomena, or they’re the product of an intelligent purpose. If the latter, either that intelligent purpose is of human origin, or it isn’t.

    If it is of human origin, then some group on this planet has apparently not only made aerospace technological accomplishments that far outstrip anything the current state of the art deems possible, but has kept the process of doing it absolutely secret (all the more amazing given the money that must have been involved), yet is now doing absolutely idiotic stunts of revealing its presence to U.S. military observers. Is that more or less likely than the idea that another intelligent species exists in the universe and has solved the problem of crossing interstellar distances? To paraphrase Douglas Adams, the latter only requires assuming that there are things in the universe we haven’t seen yet, and God knows there are enough of those, whereas the former goes right against everything plausible we know about human organizations. We should therefore be equally suspicious of its specious “rationality”.

    1. Is your last name “Fry” by any chance?
      “the latter only requires assuming that there are things in the universe we haven’t seen yet”
      I put it to you there are natural atmospheric phenomena we haven’t seen yet, but when we do, it’ll be…ALIENS!!!
      …or time travelers.

      I remember, back when they were repairing Hubble in the 1990s, hours of footage showing weird lights moving around…
      “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
      Shakespeare knew the score.

  12. I am not suggesting that these are alien artifacts…. but… they might have sent probes thousands or hundreds of thousands of years ago across vast distances. Of course with the universe constantly expanding, if the above were somehow to turn out to be true, their home planets are probably unreachable even by probe. But if space can expand FTL, as it seems to in our current understanding of our early universe, who really can exclude the possibility of FTL travel with 100% certainty? Until we understand the forces that are causing our universe to expand, it’s an open question. Einstein’s laws only apply to the universe we know about.

    1. Again, FTL = time travel. Time travel means easy exponential manufacturing. Just grab a widget from the shed, take it back in time with you 5 minutes, leave it with the 1st widget for a minute, go back to the shed and grab the both of them, take both of them back in time… It means that one could say that all people get probed by aliens every day, and the aliens just go back and not probe us, and still have the data from probing us, etc. If you start with the premise of causality violations, then you may as well call ’em angels and demons or wizards or whatever, because almost nothing is impossible for them. Also, what is causing the universe to expand is not an “open question”, the idea that if something is not fully understood implies total ignorance is simply untrue. Theoretical evidence suggests its due to a complex-valued scalar field with an odd, and as yet undetermined potential curve, and that the vacuum we know of is a local minimum of that potential, where the field has a non-zero value. Under no circumstances does it allow for causality violations (aka closed timelike curves) like FTL travel does.

      1. “Time travel means easy exponential manufacturing. Just grab a widget from the shed, take it back in time with you 5 minutes, leave it with the 1st widget for a minute, go back to the shed and grab the both of them, take both of them back in time…”

        Yeah, but once you stop, each one only lasts for five minutes before some time-travelling jerk grabs it and takes it away.

      2. Who said anything about time travel. That only comes into play if you insist that you can be certain that Einstein’s laws apply even in situations we don’t understand. How did the universe expand faster than the speed of light “in the beginning”?

        Not to mention that the probe theory doesn’t even require FTL. We can certainly identify likely planets now at distances far greater than we can reasonably travel to, but we could send a probe.

        1. No, we cannot send a probe. Do you know what radiation does? There is a reason why space stations are decommissioned. If you wanna talk about situations we cannot understand, you may as well talk about everything beyond the horizon being made of green cheese. Either the laws of nature we know apply there, or they do not, and if they don’t, well, green cheese it is, until you have a better scientific theory that is mathematically consistent…oh, and by the way, we already have scientific theories for what exists beyond the horizon, all based on experiments and observations we have now, plus some theory, that, for some odd reason, doesn’t include green cheese.

      3. ” Under no circumstances does it allow for causality violations ”

        So no issues when the entire universe was traveling FTL? You seem to think that our universe is guaranteed to continue to exist without problems until it unfolds completely. The appearance of a complete universe out of virtually nothing seems pretty absurd as well. The matter/energy that we are made up of once traveled FTL or at least separated from other matter FTL.

        Also, what if GR breaks down in this kind of travel, and we aren’t following the time cone or whatever it is back with the light we see, but instead arrive at the other star years after the light that left the star that is arriving now on our planet? You know, what if there is a universal ‘now’ that we can access if we could figure out how the original FTL travel occurred? What if it is about compressing or expanding space rather than the speed of ship?

        I am severely doubting that what I am talking about here is true, but I can’t see how it can be ruled out since FTL has occurred in the past. If I were betting, I would bet on a human explanation of some sort for these UFOs however.

        1. 1. So no issues when the entire universe was traveling FTL?
          2. You seem to think that our universe is guaranteed to continue to exist without problems until it unfolds completely.
          Answer to 1.: The universe is still expanding FTL. Still no timelike curves in it, anywhere.
          Answer to 2.: Look up “Poincare recurrence time.”

        2. “Also, what if GR breaks down in this kind of travel, and we aren’t following the time cone or whatever it is back with the light we see, but instead arrive at the other star years after the light that left the star that is arriving now on our planet? You know, what if there is a universal ‘now’ that we can access if we could figure out how the original FTL travel occurred? What if it is about compressing or expanding space rather than the speed of ship?”

          All we got’s to go on is our math and stuff. It pretty much says that FTL and time travel is impossible, unless you got some fictitious negative mass or what have you or giant rotating strings that weigh more than the sun. Easier to build a Ringworld, with magical molecular binding reinforcement generators that make shit 1000 times stronger than diamonds or steel. Of course, gods can do anything, eh?
          Except, thermodynamics. I estimate, if we take say 1% of world energy production, and used it to build some nice spaceships to exploit the asteroid belt, a profit could be made, ’cause the lunar regolith makes Saudi Arabia look like a cakewalk to work stuff in, but we’re all busy spending our money on assholes arguing over gender(at best), aka our leaders.

      4. “Theoretical evidence suggests its due to a complex-valued scalar field with an odd, and as yet undetermined potential curve, and that the vacuum we know of is a local minimum of that potential, where the field has a non-zero value.”

        “With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk” – Von Neumann

        I know, I know, I am doing science philosophy and as the old joke goes, “what’s the main difference between the office of a physicist and a philosopher? The physicist has a waste basket.”

        1. ” “what’s the main difference between the office of a physicist and a philosopher? The physicist has a waste basket.””
          AAA+++!!!. Us physicist are also hoarders. F=ma still true, after over 300 years! Yay for us!

  13. I think this is happening because they need to distract from the Covid-lockdown-overkill and the damaging vaccines. After all, they have vaccinated a significant portion of the population. All of the government institutions have lost credibility. Time to change the subject.
    Actually, I do believe in aliens — or some sort of non-earth beings, quite possiblly more intelligent than humans (not hard) but this is being done for political purposes.

  14. Never seen one, don’t care. Call me when ya’ll have cured the whu who flu.

  15. I guess they could not convince any self respecting “Squirrel” to step up for the distraction theatre.
    Unidentified Flying Object..
    Indeed.
    Now get your hand out of my pocket and take your useless scheming self out of my affairs…
    Banishment may work.
    But I am no longer adverse to one way helicopter rides.
    Forget “Independent nation of Buffalo” let us proceed to Fortress North America.
    As borders made up of hostile seas work better than any fences.
    And let us perform some true “Inclusiveness” upon our self proclaimed enemies..

    For I do business based on my verbal promise,thus my word has value,so..
    Why should I not take our assault style liberals and other professional leeches at their word?
    They claim we are at war.
    Who am I to doubt them?

    I am all for more UFO’s on route to feed the sharks.
    Are we still sharing an agreement to adhere to civil standards?
    Or is it only the taxpayer who must obey these rules?

    1. Come now, John, borders administrated by competent folk who actually care about national sovereignty and culture are even better than oceans, just as the UK…lotta good being an isle did them, eh?

  16. If they’re aliens, do they want to be seen by us or not? If not they’re doing a lousy job of hiding, not the kind of basic incompetence you would expect from a superior species. If they do want us to see them, why stop with a little bit of zipping around for fighter pilots? Why not do some other kinds of freaky stuff if they want to hint at their existence without blowing too many minds? Something inexplicable like teleporting Joe Biden from the White House to a truck stop in Utah and back again then letting him go on TV to try to explain it.
    No, it seems to have the feel of an elaborate trick, maybe psy-ops or something.

  17. 60 Minutes’ motivation may have been to throw a “squirrel” into the attention cycle, but this story tracks well back into the Trump administration.

    1. It tracks a lot further back than that, clear to WW2. Foo fighters. Before industrialization, we didn’t assume technological origins, rather we assumed magical or religious ones, and when it comes down to it, all these people talking about aliens are still invoking magic, just with a technological dressing, mostly because of that commie named Arthur C. Clark, and his BS line of “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

      1. I believe this particular flap – I should probably say “media campaign” – began in the Trump years, when the responsible Republican-controlled Congressional oversight committees discovered that various agencies had been funneling money to a prominent crony of Democratic Senator Harry Reid, on the pretext that he was doing “UFO research”. Once exposed, they thought they’d just pretend that they’d gotten value for the money, and brought in the New York Times to proclaim breathlessly that “UFOs are real!”, and produced those famous videos, which basically show just how hard it can be to get good clear video footage of a seagull.

  18. Finally. A thread about UFOs and no one brought up the idiotic Drake equation.
    We’re evolving.

  19. Military aircraft are on the drawing boards 20-50 years before flying prototype. Prototypes start flying decades before being admitted to. Deployment starts happening 3-5 years before being admitted to. So are hypersonic UAVs capable of 100G turns really that unrealistic?

    1. Yes, they are, especially when they’re not throwing sonic booms around, and breaking to pieces all over the place. There is a reason the SR71 was retired, and the U2 is still in operation. Still, its more likely than aliens. Myself, I’m going with natural phenomena.

  20. There are lots and lots of well documented cases of aerial phenomena doing seemingly impossible stunts, complete with radar tracking corroboration, highly competent witnesses, etc. The seemingly binary choice “either its human tech or its not” is just as beguiling to us now as “either its angels or its demons” was in ancient times. A mirage of a boat floating in the air is neither “human tech” nor “not human”, yet it happens. The atmosphere is a big place, and it has all sorts of poorly understood electromagnetic and optical phenomena. Combine this with the fact that most of humanity doesn’t understand how a candle works, much less a wifi router or a laser, and you get the standard fare from the MSM, and people eat it up. I wonder if I could get rich by poring over footage of Jupiter, and find some we thing in the footage, and loudly declare “UFOs on Jupiter!”, book deals, etc. Timothy Goode comes to mind, as does Zaccharia Sitchin, IMHO both are inheritors of Erik Von Daniken.

  21. No doubt that this will be the next psy-op to try and force people into a one world govt. First covid, then an alien invasion.

    1. The laugh’s on them. People will welcome the aliens, whether they’re nuking us or drinkin’ with us. I think the UK has a Triffid protection law… 😉 Should make for some interesting times.

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