The Sound Of Settled Science

Out of Africa;

Experts from the Museum, the Francis Crick Institute and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History have partnered to untangle the different lines of ancestry in the evolution of our species, Homo sapiens. […]
 

Co-author Pontus Skoglund from the Francis Crick Institute says, ‘Contrary to what many believe, neither the genetic nor fossil records has so far revealed a defined time and place for the origin of our species.
 
‘Such a point in time may not have existed, when the majority of our ancestry was found in a small geographic region and the traits we associate with our species appeared. For now, it would be useful to move away from the idea of a single time and place of origin.’

21 Replies to “The Sound Of Settled Science”

  1. it is hard to believe a new species spontaneously evolved in multiple locations from multiple sources, but these multiple ancestors were somehow able to interbreed together and create modern man and our known predecessors like Cro Magnon and Neanderthal Man; but not be able to breed with other lines that evolved into Apes, Gorillas, and the like. it seems too unlikely.

    I still think we came from one common ancestor that survived, spread, and prospered when other similar mutations died out.

    A million years is a long time, and they had several millions of years to evolve and spread. even at few miles per decade, tribes could spread all across Africa, ASia, and Europe and back in a milllion years merely by walking.

    1. Agreed, rd. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Since the ability to produce fertile offspring defines a species, it’s inconceivable that a founder effect could have occurred at multiple times or multiple locations producing differentiated species which would just happen to be able to interbreed i.e. result in all the same new species. At some time, somewhere there would have had to be common ancestors.

      1. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. It’s a clue that you should keep an eye out for proof without feeling certain you know what that proof will look like nor what it will prove.

    1. Would you please limit your link dumps to Reader Tips? I’ll be sending this stuff to the spam filter if you don’t stop it.

  2. For everyone to be equal, and deserving of equal treatment, there would have to be a common ancestry. There is only one race, the “human race”.

    1. Where did you ever get the idea that everybody is equal, and deserving of equal treatment? That is pure insanity.

      1. And there you both, Davis and Yeahwell, have put your fingers on the nub of the issue.

        In the Christian sense, all souls are equal before God, therefore equal treatment for all, especially before the law, is sanctified and necessary.

        In their various capabilities, all people are patently NOT equal and there are unequal, but quite reasonable, outcomes, winners and losers.

        In the progressive mind it is the role of the state to overcome these inequalities, but this is to be done by unequal treatment. And, of course, it is the progressives who would control the state, bein therefore the most unequal. Hmmm, not quite finding the right way of saying this.

        Basically, I am trying to say that those who scream loudest for equality for others are those who would benefit most from it themselves.

  3. Why do we always discount the possibility that aliens ‘kick started’ modern man. The immaculate conception story fits this narrative to some degree.
    We live on a minor satellite circling a minor star in the backwater of a vast universe. Is it too much to believe that perhaps there is intelligent life beyond ours? … and what’s with the idea that aliens would be little green men that look like ET?
    Our body form is near perfect, if not Perfection in design so why should we imagine it not to be the universal norm?
    Ancient art forms abound with varying descriptions of spacemen and their ships. My dad talked about seeing these in the hieroglyphics in the ancient tombs of Egypt where he was stationed with the British Forces during world war 2. One particular drawing shows a spaceship travelling across the sky leaving a trail behind it.
    There is a major cathedral in Spain built in the Middle Ages that depicts a startling lifelike spaceman carving in its outer frieze work that looks incredibly like an Apollo era astronaut right down to the helmet, visor and suit.

    What is this stuff really all about?

    No one knows with any certainty just how we got here and just how we evolved to where we are today, though I personally believe that science and its relevant fields that delve into our past have grossly handicapped themselves with perhaps too much politics theoretical inbreeding and grant money.

    See it how one will, its an ongoing and immensely intriguing conundrum.

    1. “Why do we always discount the possibility that aliens ‘kick started’ modern man.”
      -Because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
      “The immaculate conception story fits this narrative to some degree.”
      -That story is about 2000 years old, about events that occurred around 2000 years ago. Humans have been around for 20 times that long.
      “Ancient art forms abound with varying descriptions of spacemen and their ships.”
      -One day, our current art will be ancient. Will The Star Fleet Technical Manual and the Blueprints for the USS Enterprise be considered evidence of an ancient starfaring technology?

  4. A surprisingly modest piece, making it more valuable. I personall would like to understanbd the last 1 million years, when, I undestand, the Sahara desert wasn’t, but a fertile plain with lakes, etc. was.

  5. Two things: 1) The theory of Mt Toba bottleneck has been debunked. It’s really disappointing because it was very slick hypothesis.2) The analogy used to visually depict human origins was the branching tree; it is now obsolete. It was replaced by the image of a river delta (aerial view) to reflect the complexity of human development, streams converging , streams separating. streams converging and separating, backward gene flow and looping…….. Just keep at the back of your mind that the ancient material would fit in a small box and, if memory serves, there are no complete skeletons.
    I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but there are dozens and dozens of lectures on the Paradoxical Ape featured on the Youtube Channel, Carta as well as podcasts by John Hawks, Svante Paabo, David Reich.

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