Science By Jury

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Johnson & Johnson has announced that it will stop selling talcum baby powder in the United States and Canada. Why? Because of predatory trial lawyers who enrich themselves by lying about science.
 
Talcum powder is absorptive, so it’s mainly used to help keep otherwise moist body parts dry. (You can use your imagination here, but this SNL skit provides a hint.) For years, there have been rumblings that talcum powder is linked to ovarian cancer. But just like the fictitious link between hexavalent chromium in drinking water and cancer popularized by the movie Erin Brockovich, the link between talcum powder and cancer is basically anecdotal.
 
A new review published in January 2020 by JAMA Oncology concluded that “there was not a statistically significant association between use of powder in the genital area and incident ovarian cancer.” Though the report cautions that there still could be a tiny causal effect that is too small to be detected, the sample size was large (more than 250,000 women observed over a total of 3.8 million person-years). This indicates that the conclusion of no causal effect is probably correct.
 
The UK’s National Health Service (NHS) touted the results on its website, proclaiming, “‘No evidence’ that talcum powder causes ovarian cancer new review finds.” But for reasons that I will never understand, American websites remain wishy-washy. The American Cancer Society, for instance, says that the evidence is “less clear.”

42 Replies to “Science By Jury”

  1. Search all you will but can you find any scientific papers which confirm the ‘Secondhand Smoke” claim. I can’t. My conclusion, it’s a fraud.
    Are the claims that mental health is worse than in previous decades or centuries verifiable ? What’s the cause lack of smoking, drinking, or ‘gender dysphoria’… ?

  2. Its dangerous if one snorts it in large enough quantities, ergo it should be banned, heck its almost as dangerous as di-hydrogen monoxide.

    1. My last wife used panty liners that smelled of baby powder.. I did have oral cancer.. Am I good to go for a lawsuit?..Michael Douglas?..

      1. Its current year. Must be toxic masculinity. The only cure is to mainline estrogen.

  3. I watched the first half hour of “Toxic Make-Up” – on CBC’s hotdocs series last night. It spent about 10 minutes highlighting the “link” between talcum powder and ovarian cancer. I was very skeptical – exactly how much talcum powder are you using? One woman stated that she regularly powdered the inside of her underwear both morning and evening. If you use something too much, then perhaps there will be a link.

    However, I do agree about using too much make-up as you really do not know what is in those bottles or powders. People comment on how young I look (I am 68). I always respond with “stay out of the sun or use sunscreen (I am the original white woman); don’t smoke; don’t drink to excess and have parents who took care of themselves (good genes). But who knows really? When we were in the south of France in 2005, all the French (and the German tourists) were nude sunbathing (not everyone should do this) and smoking as if it was the cure for cancer.

    1. The underlying issue is the prevalent belief that the state should protect us, when in reality a well-informed citizenry is fully capable of protecting itself, and those who are not well-informed should be free to juggle chainsaws while snorting asbestos.

      1. Cherry Bomb! (A song by The Runaways in 1977 with kids in corsets, fishnets, panties and garter belts. An elegant song from a more civilized age.)

  4. No evidence of human to human transmission of Wuhan virus.
    Less than clear evidence of carcinogenic talcum powder.
    Take the vaccine.

  5. This is nothing new. Many SDAers will remember when the artificial sweetener cyclamate was banned about 50 years ago.

    It turned out that it might have caused cancer in lab rats (mice?). For a human to get sick, he or she would have to drink several hundred cans of soft drinks each day to get the same amount that the test animals consumed.

  6. Loosely related
    I’ve only just come across this. Yes, he’s a bit odd but I’ve laways had a problem with th big-bang theory; it’s based upon the ASSUMPTION that red shift is due to doppler effect. We have no supporting evidence for that assumption, safe though it is according to Occam’s razor.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KkhRibBllU

    1. We do have evidence of the Doppler shift. its been measured in labs many times, and used to measure rotational speed of galaxies. The “tired photons” hypothesis has been disproven by experiment. That guy is a clown.

      1. Thank you mr. Phlogiston

        Yes, we know doppler shift is real but we haven’t yet put entire galaxies in the lab. You seem to assume the ‘tired photon” explanation, whatever that is, is the only option? Myself, I do not know the origin of red shift, but it IS an assumption that it is due to Doppler, and, as such, should be tested before being allowed to form the basis of a complete dead end of scientific insight.

        I see Big Bang cosmology rather like the Aistotelian circular-orbits-because-circles-are-perfect theory. Further observation revealed problems, so epicycles and epicycles upon epicycles were added until the theory matched the observation. Rather like Dark Matter and Dark Energy are added in judicious amounts to make the Big Bang theory fit the observations.

        And the same applies to galaxies, before you ask , nyah nyah nyah.

        1. There is no other measurable phenomenon that gives rise to the doppler shift. Its either gravity, or velocity. If you don’t know what Grassman numbers are, and cannot solve differential equations, know linear algebra, etc, then your opinion has just as much value as that of some tree-hugging bimbo who doesn’t know what the Krebb’s cycle is.

          1. Let me correct that Mr. Phlogiston

            There is no other currently known measurable phenomenon that gives rise to the red shift.

          2. “There is no other currently known measurable phenomenon that gives rise to the red shift.”

            So, I guess magical things exist that those who know better made up outta the whole cloth? They may very well, but they ain’t part of science. Maybe some magical beasts give rise to the Red Shift? Be useful or fuck off is the current(3000 yrs old and goin’) and most useful paradigm that separates us from apes, and that ain’t political.

        2. The only thing that differentiates the true from the false is “is it useful”, and that only in the technical sense, but many here seem to answer that question in the political sense, with the excuse that without the right political system, truth has no meaning. Both the left and the right in Canada are Lysenkoists, just scrabbling for power, any which way they can, neither gives a crap about the people. The left is much worse than the right, but both are liars.

        3. It’s more that your Q was rephrased as dark energy, rather than answered. We still don’t know what the heck it is or even if it’s really real. We’re not even sure if our universal constants are universal or constant anymore.

        4. Schuler so what? Dark energy exist, so does dark matter. Some folk try to figure it out, some don’t. In the end, those who make something useful out of it will win, even if that use just says “I understand”, and then it takes 100 generations to make my anti-matter cigarette lighter, despite the whole anti-anti-matter crowd, who make the anti-gun crowd look like pikers.

        5. YeahWell… No, dark energy and dark matter may not exist, because we have no idea what they are. There is no bottle full of dark matter or engine running off dark energy that we can point to. There are theories of the universe being pursued that don’t need those things to explain observed phenomena. They’re best guess place holders, nothing more. That’s why I said it’s just a re-framing of the initial question hb had, not an answer to it.

          And, BTW, the rest of your argument re: red shift is wrong, too. There is data concerning the cosmic background radiation that says universal constants may not be universal nor constant. Think about what changing constants could do to light; one of the possibilities is shifting.

    2. butt robert, whon has died from the big bang theory, and who would one sue after they die from it:-))))

      1. Electric universe = creationism = flat Earth. All pseudo-science crap, useless when it comes to advancing tech or knowledge.

        1. Kinda lefty to just insult folk, no? Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity gave rise to the PC and GPS. Creationism, flat earth and the electric universe are just tricks to try to undermine that which has worked, just like the lefty retards do with everything.

          1. Yeah, well, either you don’t know what you are talking about or you don’t stop to read what I say.

        2. Ya blew it with that Steve Tyler jerk. Sorry. Math works, and if ya don’t got the math, and ya don’t got the products, then you ain’t got fuck all.

  7. The Medical Industrial Complex is the perfect thing, meshes perfectly with the timid snowflakes that make up enough of the population to usher in the Utopia. Now kill that unwanted useless eater foetus or old guy! For the children!

  8. Peer-reviewed studies do not agree with the above-quoted opinion piece.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chromium-water-cancer/
    https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~asrg/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/08SmithHexavalentChromium.pdf

    That does not detract from the fact that talcum powder is inert from the POV of medicine and biochemistry. Unless of course it contains carcinogenic additives, which is not surprising, knowing its sources. They might add anything to the mineral, even carcinogens, as long as it helps to sell their other products.

    1. Will you accept that peer review is shit in a lot of cases, and should be replaced with something more adversarial?

  9. The Tort law MUST be revised to “Beyond a reasonable Doubt”… Why the hell have two different Standards… The “More likely than NOT” 51% is a gift to gangster lawyers.. Enough of BS lawsuits that enrich the evil bastards…..The Orchestrated events all depend on Civil Court pay outs…. If you are fooled that an event recorded is not Orchestrated… You are dumber than a rotten fence post…..

  10. may I ask this question.. How many people here know of someone who actually has had an issue with wuhanflu?.. I apparently know of one man who passed because of it, altho he also had cancer. No one else.

    1. I met an old man today, with one of them oxygenators and tubes up his nose. Who are you to say we shouldn’t starve kids so that he may live another year? Hmmm…???

    2. My brother had it in early April.. He was in excellent shape; bikes and runs a lot. He survived, but 6 weeks now since the end of symptoms and he is still quite weak. He described it as “totally different from any flu he’s had in the past.”

  11. I can’t wait for the oil companies to announce the same thing,after the 9th circuit court gets through extorting them maybe they will start with California..
    Sorry apparently our product causes Climate Change when you buyers use it,we are getting sued so FU,India and China really want these products.

    1. India and China are both ready to fight, with nukes. Us, on the other hand, are a bunch of faggots who can’t figure out the difference between he and she.

  12. Read carefully. It says that Johnson and Johnson will stop selling it in Canada and the USA. . I use Johnson’s powder after every shower. I had trouble getting it until a while ago. Johnson and Johnson did develop a new formulation, obviously it didn’t work out. Need talc powder?? There are a host of house brands available. Rexall, Shoppers Drug Mart, London etc. Check Amazon for imports.

    Johnson and Johnson has deep pockets. I’m sure they’ll survive.

    It all started with commie Ralph Nader and the Corvair.
    My Dad was a Chevy mechanic in the early 60’s until he bought his own business. It would have cost about $7.00 per unit to repair the problem on the Corvair’s rear suspension that could cause premature roll-over when the car went into a side skid and the rear wheels buckled under. GM refused and lost their case. The main problem with Corvairs was not the roll overs, although that could be deadly. They had very poor heating in the winter because of the air cooled engine. Much like the Tesla, a snowmobile suit was the only option in sub zero weather.

  13. It has become easier (and cheaper one would assume) for corporations to give in and pay up rather than fight the cases. The idiots in the media then assume that the allegations are proven and spread that information.

  14. Ambulance chasing shysters don’t care about science. It is about greed. They don’t talk about product safety or efficacy. They simply tell a jury that Company “X” has lots of money and can afford to give a payoff.

  15. If you accept that second-hand smoke is a class A carcinogen, then this follows.

  16. I can’t help myself,delete at will.
    How long before an ambulance chaser figures out that Life causes Death?
    Death by Cancer too.
    So all mothers must be sued,all new borns need a warning stamp and life should be limited where ever possible..
    Oopes.
    So this is why our progressive comrades so love abortion?
    Of course a hard hearted human might just agree with the idiots and strip them of life,as that solves all their bellyaching,whining and attempts to monetize victimhood.

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