Scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have published a paper that details the mechanism of a battery device that can suck out the carbon dioxide from the air, store it, and then release it for sequestration or storage and subsequent sale: the oil and gas industry uses CO2 to improve well output.
The principle of the device is ingeniously simple: as the battery charges, it sucks in carbon dioxide. During discharge, the CO2 is released into the ground. The battery itself is made up of arrays of electrodes with gaps between the arrays so the gas can enter the device. Each electrode is coated with a carbon nanotube layer that enables an electrochemical reaction when carbon dioxide comes into contact with the surface of the electrodes. The guarantee for this contact is the fact the electrodes have a natural affinity for CO2, which means they attract the gas molecules when they enter the device.
The problem is if CO2 drops below 150ppm or so, EVERYTHING ON EARTH DIES. Imagine a carbon capture technology that got out of control. Yikes.
Yet nobody voicing their opinion on the main stream media about our “climate emergency” will offer what is an acceptable, let alone optimal, level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Try asking them what the temperature of the Earth is supposed to be.
There is no optimal level, it was at one point between 6000 and 7000 ppm and the planet was warm and very green and very large creatures roamed around eating tons and tons of vegetation. Garden of Eden like.
Imagine a self driving car designed and built by Malthusian zealots…
That aside, this is for greenhouses and coal plants. CO2 from burning the coal, faster plant growth for the plants, whatevs left over for batteries…
A Malthusian car should surely run ove Malthusians.
You know it’s always “carbon free for thee but not for me”.
Vegan diet for you, fillet mignon for me.
Gun confiscation for you, motorcades and a personal army for me…
I get a kick out of Malthus critics. A fool could figure out that the planet is a finite piece of dirt and will eventually reach it’s carrying capacity, when that will be has not been calculated as of yet, but much like a large farm it will eventually reach the point where it will no longer support the numbers living there. That folks is reality.
“Each electrode is coated with a carbon nanotube layer …”
I thought we were moving to a carbon-free future?
We just need a few more million dollars for proof of concept.
“… a battery device …”
How much CO2 will be emitted during the extraction from the Earth of the materials needed for this battery?
How much CO2 will be emitted during the manufacture of these batteries?
How much CO2 will be emitted during the disposal (or recycling) of these batteries?
The answer to all my questions here is that, clearly, the total of CO2 emitted is less than what the device will sequester, no?
Clearly.
they’re going to need a kajillion of them…and it still won’t make any difference
Every Grifter feels the need to skim a little cut off of those that actually work.
This would be a concern if CO2 was a pollutant, but being as it is necessary for all life on earth we better start producing more.
Mankind will never be safe until CO2, that deadly poison, is removed from our atmosphere.
Sure, the plants will hate us, but what have those green sumbitches ever done for us?
These people should be locked up. Why would you want to suck life-giving CO2 from the atmosphere?
The lefties happily pull all our strings; we jerk around to amuse them.
There is no future in that!
I have probably posted this in the past be here it is again:
https://www.powermag.com/netl-coal-chemical-looping-combustion-closer-to-commercialization/
The key aspect is that the exhaust stream from burning Coal (or some other carbon fuel) is split into two – one pure CO2 and the other everything else.
This makes Carbon capture very inexpensive and the CO2 Can be used for manifold purposes or stored underground. Thus Zero-CO2 emissions energy from coal at costs that are below any other alternative including – Arguably – fusion should it ever become feasible.
A key snip:
” …a July 2018 roadmap issued by the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) and the Carbon Utilization Research Council envisions a first-of-a-kind commercial project using metal oxide and limestone-based CLC technologies starting in 2027.”
IF AGW is a real threat from CO2 generation the quickest and cheapest route is through technological innovation as above. So rather than crippling the Carbon-based energy generation industries around the globe Canadians should be spending billions in getting these technologies developed ASAP.
Too bad coal cant compete with natural gas even without this tech.
The Chinese and Indians use it. It helps them cook their meat and keep warm in the winter. Or do you want them dead?
Do they have plentiful nat gas available like we do? Theres a reason many big coal companies down south are in bankruptcy.
alla , regulation s by your hero O’Butthole, killed coal generation
yah alla Ass, just like incandescent light bulbs can’t compete with LED for efficiency, except when they can out perform LED. When you don’t know what you are talking about, git on the net and shout it out, right alla
Installed coal can and does – quite handily. Much of new installs are expensive due to pollution controls that this new tech reduces or eliminates.
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Hmmm, one would think this would be embraced with halleluiahs by the Greenies. Imagine, if they were deployed world wide and we managed to become truly CO2 neutral. No more carbon taxes required, no trillions of dollars in subsidies for ineffective and unreliable renewables or expensive electric vehicles. Full bore ahead for fossil fuel extraction and usage. A boom in the global economy! Who could be against that??
The global warmunists, that’s who. The goal isn’t to “decarbonize”, it’s to impose socialism under Agenda 21/30.
If this works, if it could be the “answer”, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them do everything they can to kill it.
Dirtman
If it works my friend – all food production STOPS – Eventually all Human LIfe STOPS. And therein lies the rub…cause that is PRECISELY the goal of the Global Elites. A Planet….A “sustainable” Planet with < 1 Billion Souls.
Maurice Strongs wet dream…
Steakman, I doubt anyone is suggesting that they’ll purge all CO2 from the atmosphere, just stop the increase and maybe reduce the ppm to 350 (which is bad enough). And I’m not suggesting that CO2 is a problem in any way, on the contrary it’s a blessing.
Just saying, this is something the greenies should welcome with shouts of joy, if they really believed in the global warming scam, and if they were really concerned about it.
I doubt they would go that far, but then, we have to keep in mind that the warmunists are not blessed with anything in the way of common sense.
It would stop (derail in fact) the gravy train so … no … sequestration will never be allowed to happen. You heard it first here.
Dirtman , they will throw it into the north sea with that carburetor that could make an Edsel go 100 miles to a gallon of gas while having 4 flat tires, busted transmission, and the emergency brake stuck on, going up mount Everest at a 1000 miles an hour
There will never be any such fantasy as CO2 neutral. Physical impossibility.
Wealth re-distribution. Check the date of the article – 2010. Gee, whose name pops up – George Soros.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/11/ipcc_expert_admits_un_goal_is.html
KINDLY Wake me when some illuminary is finally ready to come out and state POINT fliipping BLANK that CO2 is not NOW nor EVER has been an ISSUE. We damned well need more of it….!!
Any virtue signalling idiocy such as the above is nothing but BULLSHIT that masks the true intent of who, what and why they WEAPONIZED CO2. Cause it sure as hell has SFA to do with our Climate or the bloody Environment.
I believe this CO2 nonsense got started back when Al Gore was a grad student. Someone analyzed some Greenland ice cores and found that temperature and CO2 level were rising and falling in lockstep. Oh Noes! Alert the Media!!
This is a fascinating bit of data, so being scientists, they went back and did the analysis with greater resolution. The result? CO2 levels *lagged* temperature by about 800 years. This suggests that CO2 level is a result of temperature and not the driver. Somehow, the mainstream media never bothered reporting this.
I think Al Gore flips the CO2 and temperature curves “accidentally” in his amazing “An Inconvenient Toot”. So CO2 goes up, then temperature goes up. The never most talked about graphs in climate science.
Only if you think CO2 is the problem.
It isn’t, it’s Solar output. That’s the control. CO2 is just an easy scare tactic. By the way, we don’t control the Sun. Check these graphs out: http://www.jpattitude.com/IceCore/graph1.htm
Man isn’t even a bit player in this movie, as weren’t the Dinos. Stuff happens, stuff dies. Want my take on humans, figure out a way to get off this planet, or we end up like the DInos. This Solar system still has about 4.5 billion years to run yet. Lots can happen in the meantime.
This was on CBC. I tried to respond to it there. I HATE CBC comment section. People are allowed to make all kinds of slanderous attacks on me personally, post links, do all kinds of nasty stuff but I consistently get moderated out. I am not allowed to post any links. I get suspended if I say something remotely critical to someone and even stuff like my comment back to someone who quoted Churchill was “Churchill said a lot of things. Look what he said about Islam.” gets disabled. I also think they shadow ban. I often get no reaction at all to what I posted as if no one saw it.
So you are not BORG?
LOL!
You don’t go to CBC comments to have a discussion, you go there to poke brain-dead Canadian leftists in the eye with the sharp stick of their own stupidity.
There are certainly tons of brain dead leftists. I often will make some point about climate change and they will come back with something really intelligent like “I suppose you think the world is flat too” or “You’re just a liar” or “how much is [insert latest lefty conspiracy theory] paying you to post that?” They never respond to any actual stuff I say. I get enough likes I still go back.
This will go into the nuclear energy produces no CO2 garbage bin.
I briefly looked at the paper. Decided I didn’t want to slog through it when I read “micromoles”.
Nothing like extrapolating an experiment run with a few milligrams to a problem that’s defined in gigatonnes.
If I wasn’t so busy (have to sort my mail), I’d sit and try to count all the “breakthrough” CCS technologies over the last couple of decades. All of them were “just a few years away” and promised a cost of “only” $50-100/tonne CO2.
My snake-oil alarm is going off.
It isn’t about the CO2. It’s about the Elite denying 8 Billion people the necessities of live and killing them through privation.
Cheap abundant energy is how we got this high standard of living. Rationing energy and taxing it out of economic reach is their goal.
The Elites mean to kill us and forced artificial rationing is one of their favoured tools to do it.
This new tech, if real, is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Don’t expect any new technology that reduces CO2 to be embraced.
It isn’t about the CO2. There is no Global Warming. There is no Energy Shortage. There is no need to reduce, tax, or ration oil or gas.
It’s all a Hoax, people. It’s all a massive Global Swindle. The Extinction event is the Elite implementing Energy Rationing on the rest of us.
Sounds like a cyborg TREE.
You know, the self-replicating, ORGANIC technology that is as old as the hills.
Much more “fluffy” than the REAL “lungs of the Earth”; the top, phytoplankton infested metre or so of the world’s oceans.
I’m so sick of this.
CO2 is not a poison! Leave it the F*** alone.
Need proof?
Go drive your car. The CO2 levels inside the cab after twenty minutes can get as high as 6000 ppm.
You’re not choking to death are you? You’re not burning up are you?
If CO2 raised temperatures like these so called “scientists” claim, then people stranded on road sides during winter should have no problem keeping warm as the CO2 levels rise in their vehicles.
People need to stop catering to these lunatics, especially oil companies.
Stop feeding the lie!!!
Greens would be opposed to any technology that would allow industrial civilization to continue and grow regardless of its impact on today’s made-up demon, CO2. Greens are led by authoritarian socialists who buffer their campaigns with pantheist religious zealots. Science and economics are not part of their campaign.
The preachers should be a lot more concerned about real pollution, biodiversity loss and superbugs than C02. But most are not.
Now, imagine all these batteries being charged by oil and gas plants.
Starts nicely:
With the alarming increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) and its implications for global climate pattern developments, mitigation of climate change through curtailment of anthropogenic CO2 emissions has been one of the most urgent socioeconomic and scientific problems in the global arena over the last decade.
Amen.
There might be a surprise ending to this climate crisis. I think what will eventually be discovered is that there was a natural warming cycle already underway in the first half of the 20th century before human produced greenhouse gases really got going, and that this warming trend was interrupted for a few decades around the 1960s and 1970s, then resumed in the mid to late 1980s. So it may well be that scientists have confused the natural signal with a human produced signal, and overestimated the strength of the latter.
This means one of two things, either
(a) the warming will continue for some unknown number of years no matter what we do about human contributions to the atmosphere, or
(b) the warming will stop regardless of what we do or fail to do in that regard.
And if so, that would suggest that mitigation is the sensible policy, not prevention. If there is nothing we can do to change the outcome, we are stuck with it and need to adjust accordingly.
It might be added that the same is true if this theory is wrong but if we cannot sensibly change the human contribution within the available number of years.
Personally I think that the documented warming in the period 1990 to 2016 has recently stalled out perhaps as a delayed response to the Dalton 2.0 solar downturn that some are confusing with a Maunder 2.0 which is not yet established (but could come along). And I do see a lot of evidence that the more recent warming is really just a return to the trends of a period that began around the late 1890s and ran through the 1950s fading out in the 1960s. Old timers may recall that some very cold winters happened in the late 1960s through the 70s and into the early 80s but winters earlier in the 20th century were not all that cold . Summers were often a lot warmer than people nowadays have been led to believe.
Here’s a telling statistic. 15 of the 20 warmest days on record at Toronto (downtown) in the period 1840 to 2019 happened in the years between 1900 and 1964. Only four have been added since then (one other was before 1900). Eleven days broke 100F in the period 1911 to 1953. Only one more has done so since then (in 2011). This supposedly warmed up climate we now have has only warmed significantly in two parts of the year, February to April, and Nov-Dec. In other words, winters are shorter.
I think that should be a cause for celebration, not despair.
Check this out: http://www.jpattitude.com/IceCore/graph1.htm
Shows the (up to now) “warming” since the last Ice Age.
In pictures. Easy to understand. Point to make: it was warmer naturally when Vikings waded ashore in NFLD about a thousand years ago. They settled in Greenland until the climate cooled. Been that way ever since. Might want to wish for warming, not cooling.
Optimal co2 level for planet earth is somewhere around 1000ppm. We were and still are at dangerously low levels of co2.
A graph shows CO2 levels for the past 800 000 years.
Until this last century the highest it has been is 290 ppm
During the last 10 000 years [when our present civilization was developing] the level has been fairly stable at between 260 & 280 ppm
THEN it started to go up with increasing speed.
From 1880 to 1950 290 to 315, from 1950 to today 315 to 410 ppm.
https://www.co2levels.org
Put it another way. Our species has never seen CO2 levels this high.
So what is your 1000 ppm level optimal FOR ?
http://www.jpattitude.com/IceCore/graph1.htm
It’s pictures, easy to understand. To answer your question – greenhouses. Plants grow best in that range of CO2.
// To answer your question – greenhouses. Plants grow best in that range of CO2. //
So when Johnboy said “Optimal co2 level for planet earth” you really take him literally, rather than, as I did, to mean for our species.
Personally, I think the planet is indifferent. And you appear to value plants more than people: that’s taking greeniness pretty far.
Um…dizzy, why did you pick the last 800,000 years only? Does your wacky religion think the planet is only 800,000 years old? You do know that Earth is over 4 billion years old right? Do you know what has dominated the planet for the last 800,000 years? Ice! Lots and lots of ice. The greatest ecological diversifications and growth on this planet have happened when co2 levels were above 1000ppm.
The cult of alarmists is full of crazy people. Maybe time for you to study some science instead of genuflecting at the altar of crappy computer models and alarmist wealth redistribution schemes.
/ Um…dizzy, why did you pick the last 800,000 years only? Does your wacky religion think the planet is only 800,000 years old? //
The graph I used goes back 800 000 years. Also, conveniently, that is about the time of the split between “modern humans” and Neanderthals.
You see, because I just assumed that your optimum was for human civilization. [See my reply to PO”ed in AB]
As for ice, during the glacial & interglacial periods of the time shown on the graph, CO2 varied between 180 ppm & 280 ppm
Regarding your final outburst, Climate Science is science.
It is science only when it publicly releases its data and methods, and can pass peer review from other scientific disciplines.
Right now it is a cult. In many cases, a death cult.
I too see a tree.
Embrace the new Religion .
The Cult of Calamitous Climate is gonna get you,unless you buy your indulgences directly from them.
We are seeing the rise of a State Religion along with relearning all the reasons a State Religion is toxic to civil society.
Enjoy.
This is another reason we must limit government to the smallest form possible,for the bureaucratic mind is a tiny unreasoning thing, that lust for power,power over all and everything is the sickness of very small personalities.
Never forget C.A.G.W AKA Climate Change is a product of our government.
Makes you proud to be from Can-Ahh-Duh.
Peter, once you filter out the heat island effect of the GTA, there is very little temp increase at any time of the year, the GTA is the 7th largest metro area in North america, with about 7.2 million population
On the carbon capture front, a company in Brooklyn has begun selling vodka made from CO2 and hydrogen.
https://grist.org/article/vodka-made-from-captured-carbon-dioxide-thats-the-spirit
The best Battery to eliminate all the unnecessary C02 freaks is ONE big Nuclear explosion at one freak Cluster of the rodents…. Nobody will miss them & C02 will continue Per the planets natural laws of science..
The Plan to Weaponize C02 (Control) is Evil, plain & simple Evil… C02 is essential to all humanity and nobody should have that level of Control….