Let The Eastern Bastards Freeze In The Dark

Don’t think of it as “shortfall”.

With the CN strike about to enter day three, the president of the Canadian Propane Association (CPA) says the province of Quebec is about to enter into a crisis situation, with Ontario not far behind.
 
Quebec heavily relies on the the railroad to bring its supply of propane — 83 per cent is transported via the rail line. In Canada, overall, 63 per cent of propane moves on the tracks, with the remainder transported by truck.
 
According to Nathalie St-Pierre, president and CEO of the CPA, by the end of the day on Wednesday, 80 per cent of Quebec’s propane reserve will be used up. […]
 
The supply shortfall is being caused by numerous factors — demand spikes from cold weather, farmers needing to dry grain, and a rail strike that has yet to be resolved.
 
St-Pierre can’t recall the last time an accumulation of factors have caused such a shortfall of the product.

Think of it as practice.

80 Replies to “Let The Eastern Bastards Freeze In The Dark”

  1. Here in Ontario I am willing to suffer a shortage of propane if it causes some inconvenience to the M&T of the MTV.

  2. A number of people comment in social media regarding how Alberta-Sask. will be landlocked if / when we separate. I generally retort that the rails that travel through the west will continue to be used as long as pipeline construction continues. For every day of a random court challenge stopping pipeline construction, the rails will be stopped. Eventually the Liberal judges in Old Canada will figure it out. I suppose Old Canada can always import their Chinese made junk into Montreal via the Panama Canal but I think that’s a long way to go, and there’s no way the millennials will be building a railway through Yukon-NWT to circumvent western provinces.

    So, this is kinda a trial run. Thanks CN.

    Wonder what it looks like when CN and CP are both stopped.

    1. marc, the level of stupid in this country is unquantifiable. Ignorant people will die defending their ignorance.

    2. Easy fix. AB/SK/MB separate and build the pipeline from AB to the port of Churchill to get the oil to market. Got to get rid of Pallister first, though. He loves any UN initiate no matter how crazy and is all in for a made in MB carbon tax grab.

      1. The FEds will ban tanker shipments out of Hudson Bay. Better to build through Yukon and either export out of Tuk or connect to the Alaskan north slope line and out of Valdez.

        1. Exactly. Alaska is on side and the Paiutes in NWT and Yukon need to eat, so good to go. Valdez is several days shorter to Asia than Hongcouver. BC will barricade it self to the Lower Mainland and the rest of the province will join Alberta.

  3. If there was only some other way you could transport hydrocarbons besides rail or road….?

    Oh, never mind.

  4. ‘Too bad about that propane shortage fwenchie. Could be a long cold winter with no heat. Maybe call your MP, you know the one you strategically vote for, I’m sure she can help’.

    1. Maybe the MP’s can cut and split some sustainable firewood for dos Fwench Fries. By Garr. Tabernac.

  5. Oh dear. turdo and scheer’s dairy buddies are whining. Just watch turdo la doo thkip into akthon on thith file!

  6. Ralph Nailed in back in the Early 80’s….I’ve felt that way EVER since.
    Ain’t it funny how the verbal excrement spins back at those who would trash us…eh.? At warp speed no less.

    Couldn’t happen to a more Deserving Population. (SDA’rs notwithstnding)
    Screw em all…with extreme prejudice.

  7. Hey, Q’bec is having trouble?
    Never fear, the airhead in Ottawa is on it, will fix it shortly, before anything else, anywhere else, however far more urgent and important in this country.
    Guaranteed.

  8. Not sure this will hurt the average Quebecer. Most heat their homes with that nice cheap subsidized Quebec electricity. If you go to rural Quebec, almost all houses have cords of wood stacked up for the winter (No CO2 there, no siree!)

    1. I’m not sure that they ship propane by pipeline. Natural gas? Sure. Propane? I’m not so sure. A propane shortage would only hurt rural communities and farms.

      1. any carbon based fuel that is in liquid form can be transported by pipeline… this includes but isn’t limited to:
        Methane (CH4)
        Ethane (C2H6)
        Propane (C3H8)
        Butane (C4H10)

        https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/ntrlgslqds/rprt/2014/2014prpn-eng.html

        mostly it will hurt industry, since residential only represents about 9% of overall use, and of that quebec probably only uses about ~50,000 cubic meters of gas per annum (2012 numbers), Ontario uses much more ~450k m3. Which of course is mostly rural residential communities that don’t have access to Natural Gas system.

        1. From the article (which neither of us bothered to read) … “In Canada, overall, 63 per cent of propane moves on the tracks, with the remainder transported by truck.”

          This is about the CN strike.

      2. Gas to Europe is what Nordstream 2 is all about. Indeed, it’s possible that the long-drawn-out Syria bloodbath is all about gas – Qatar and Iran are joint-owners of an utterly monstrous gas field under the Persian Gulf; the reason Saudi Arabia fell-out with Qatar is that Qatar is shipping its gas through Iran (SA’s traditional enemy since long before Mohammed walked the Earth) into Russia, and thence through Russian pipelines into Europe.

        Russia is making-out like bandits on the trade; and of course, they can always turn-off the gas before they invade Europe, you know, just so there won’t be any gas fires; Russians are considerate like that. And why Syria, and why are the Russians in there so heavily? There’re lots of other gas producers through the Middle-and-Far-East, all of them eager to get their goods to the European market – and several of them former Soviet Republics who hate Russia more than the West ever did.

        They’d LOVE to build a gas pipeline into Europe that bypasses Russia completely, freezing them out of the trade – and Europe would LOVE to have a gas supply that would no longer be dependant on the Russians – but the pipeline would have to go through Syria. And as long as Russia is who’s propping-up Assad, it ain’t gonna’ happen.

        It’s also quite possible that, the U.S. being the world’s biggest exporter of gas at the moment, LNG tankers going into Europe is one of the BIG reasons why Putin is so steamed at Europe and the U.S. at the moment.

  9. They’re cold? Are there no wind turbines? Are there no solar panels? Let them survive on that, might teach them something.
    Then they could stop lecturing and sponging off the rest of us. Scrooge them all. Thoooose people. Bah climate humbug.

    1. The restless ghost of Ralph Klein rattles his chains…”Trooodddeauuuuu”

      After the rail strike the next two ghosts are sure going to be interesting.

  10. A note from Nikki Haley; in case this note has been set aside by the antagonistic media and the false al gore rythms of the Internet criminal Barons; to Our American Friends and Family;
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    Now under the Franco-Culture Administration prefernce of P.M. Justin Trudeau respect for Canada hovers around Fifteenth.

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    1. M. Mc C. Sr, no body gives a f–k. Our elections have proven that to me for over seven decades. I could write a thousand page thesis telling the truth but no one would read it or understand it.

  11. If it’s any help to them, when it actually happens I find my heart warmed by the thought that there can be negative consequences for being an a**hole.

  12. Hehehe. Thanks for the smile.

    If it’s any consolation to our friends in Quebec…we are doing great in Alberta. Lots of cheap propane and natural gas here.

  13. Awesome news, just perfect.

    But, first sign of trouble from his precious Queerbecers and Groper will fly in and save the day, order them back to work, binding arbitration, where the company will lose.

    I’m sure Mr Gates will be calling Der Groper to tell him to warn him of his stupidity. Groper will offer a selfie as compensation. The big money and world players are the only ones that can get in Groper’s way, that he just might have an inkling that his actions have consequences. Just like elections

  14. Sparkle Pony went out his way to stall and stop all pipeline constructions. He’s getting exactly what he wanted, good and hard.

  15. So, what you’re really saying is that if we have any empty propane tanks for our BBQs or whatever, we should go out and get them filled immediately?

  16. Will Blackie Mcgroperson move heaven and earth to use CO2 spewing trains and trucks to get fossil fuel to quebec? Or will he insist on climate friendly pipelines?

    Hold these commies to their own standards. Even if CN ends the strike I wonder if environmentalists will protest and block trains and trucks hauling products to Quebec that could be hauled by climate friendly, low CO2 pipelines? (rhetorical)

  17. Here’s something that I don’t think too many people know….

    “International Hydropower Association data show that Hydro-Quebec electricity is just about as dirty as hydropower gets. Why? When Hydro-Quebec dams rivers on northern Quebec’s relatively flat terrain, it floods vast areas of forests and wetlands under shallow water. The amount of power Hydro-Quebec produces per acre flooded is among the lowest of any hydropower in the world. The trees, bogs and soils Hydro-Quebec floods have been storing carbon since the last Ice Age. When flooded, this stored carbon decomposes, releasing CO2 and methane. To make things worse, drowned trees are gone forever and cannot grow back to remove CO2 in the future.
    Here’s an example of their own best available science that Hydro-Quebec did not provide to the Press Herald: About a decade ago, Hydro-Quebec built dams to divert the Rupert River to the Eastmain hydro facility, flooding 175 square miles of virgin forest and wetlands. As a result, the first year after flooding, as much CO2 was released as would have been released by a coal-fired power plant generating the same amount of electricity!

    After five years, the total emissions from these Hydro-Quebec dams and natural gas power plants are about equal; after 10 years, the total release from hydro is “only” two-thirds that of natural gas. Extrapolating for a century, Quebec’s hydro is about half as dirty as gas – something of an improvement, but in no way “carbon free.””

    NOW HERE’S THE KICKER!…….While Hydro-Quebec boasts about its emissions free electricity generation, it acknowledges that:

    “GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions generated by creating reservoirs used to produce electricity ARE NOT CONSIDERED WHEN CALCULATING EMISSIONS OR HYDRO-QUEBEC’S CARBON FOOTPRINT. As indicated in the National Inventory Report: Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks in Canada, Environment Canada considers such emissions to be related to a land-use change.”

    Yet Energy East was saddled with the DOWNSTREAM emissions of its project even though it wasn’t the entity that would use the final product.

    I really don’t know why Western politicians aren’t jumping all over this crap.

    1. Because they are lazy, stupid and just want to stay in power – just like politicians everywhere.

    2. I don’t have a link (sorry) but I remember some politicians jumping all over Hydro-Quebec’s flooded land methane issues in the past. The gang greens and media say meh, and ignore it.

  18. It is very simple really. When New York energy companies stopped hooking people up because they did not have enough NG to service the increase the gov said they had to be hooked up anyway despite knowing they had no chance without a new pipeline. Sounds like it would work in kbec too.

  19. The Poutine province can truck it in from Maine. The Quebecois consider the US as equally foreign as the rest of Canada with the only difference being that they can’t shake them down or vote to screw them.

  20. From the conversations I’ve heard from former co-workers, bulk commodities are a lower priority as usual compared to inter-modal freight.

    the downside is that farmers are going to get multiple hits this year, with an early winter, low fuel supplies for drying their crops, and higher storage costs because the rail system that they rely on to get their crops to market is disrupted right now… plus you can add to that increased costs as a result of Trudeau’s carbon tax resulting in a narrower margins to make up the difference between US and Canadian Farmers

      1. crude by rail is at about 74,000 carloads YTD (first 3 qtrs), with an expectation of drop off in volumes in Q4, peak year for it was 2014 at 127k carloads.

        They also go as their own separate trains for the most part, as opposed to mixed freight or inter-modal. Inter-modal represents 27% of CN’s revenue versus 21% for Petroleum and Chemicals with Grains and fertilizers coming in 3rd at 11%.

  21. In rural Eastern Ontario and Western Quebec, the insurance companies have been pushing to replace oil heat with propane, as there is less of a clean up issue if the tank leaks. Compound that with the resistance to electric heat because of the Wynn-dmills driving up the cost of electricity in Ontari-owe and the ice storm memory of a month or more with no electricity in the rural areas, there are a lot of people who currently have propane furnaces. If the shortage continues, the December cold snap could be devastating for a lot of low income rural families.

  22. As sweet as the prospect of Corrupt Cubecers freezing in the dark may seem, remember that they choose the PM and any shortfalls they face will be shared with The ROC. The one pipeline Ottawa loves is the one that moves cash Eastward so with that in mind, may Gaia bless them with a three week deep freeze.

  23. as a supporter of the west, living in sw ontariowe, I say BRING IT ON !!!!
    let the elites feeeeeeel the full STING of a ball busting cold snap.

  24. Too bad Quebec can’t burn Karma.

    With the exception of newf-lab, I don’t think the eastern half of Canada realize how vulnerable they are to supply shocks. Crude oil from overseas ships vulnerable to conflict and terrorism. US pipelines for fossil fuels vulnerable to environmental activists. Rail lines for propane vulnerable to a strike. All three scenarios have happened this year…yet they nothing. No discussions about energy supply security. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

    1. Do not forget,we have to save the endangered whatever whales in the Gulf of St Laurence.
      Tankers must be banned from running over these blessed creatures of Great Gaia.
      And the poison shit streams must be stopped at their source,save the St Laurence from the French?
      Funny how little our progressive comrades like playing by their own rules.

      1. I think Alberta and Saskatchewan should insist that while Ottawa is planning the orderly phase out of our energy industry, that the federal government should be required to plan the orderly phase out of BC’s coal exports, Quebec’s cement and petrochemical industries, Atlantic Canada’s refineries and Ontario’s automotive industry. All of these orderly phase outs should happen on the same timeline as the oil sands phase out.

        For the sake of fairness, all of Canada should share the economic and social burden of the “climate emergency”, not just Alberta and Saskatchewan, right?

  25. I live in southern Ontario and heat with propane since it is our only option (other than windmill pixies).

    Surely Prince Blackie will save me right ? right ?

    Oh, wait. I’m rural. I vote Conservative. I own a small business.

    Nah. I’m not one of the favored animals.

    Death for me and mine.

    Hurry up Greta, you little (^&*&^*^. Need some globull warming ASAP.

    1. But you are middle class and hsis new minister will make you propanerous, oh, sorry, prosperous.

    2. If you spend over $5,000 per year in propane switch to open loop geothermal. I did 6 years ago and I’ve already recovered my investment. You need either lots of ground water or flat open ground and sandy soil with no rocks. Bostech Mechanical is a good installer of such systems. You get air conditioning for free.

      1. “You need either lots of ground water or flat open ground and sandy soil with no rocks.”
        So basically, 0.1% of the Canadian population has a feasible green energy option with open-loop geothermal. The rest of us… not so much. At least Steve from Rockwood won’t be freezing in the dark anytime soon (as long as he has electricity to run his pumps, that is.)

  26. Stay tuned for a epidemic of blackface as quebecers restart their propane furnaces.
    Lighting them can be explosive.

  27. Relax folks seamus is in Calgary today.

    He’s bringing that vast knowledge of the oil and gas industry with him.

    Things should start to improve shortly…

  28. No sympathy for those intent on destroying Western Canada. If Quebecers (and their anti-pipeline government) are so opposed to Western Canada sending its oil east by pipeline, then let them bear the consequences of a rail strike. I await the day Quebec holds a separation referendum and votes “YES”.

  29. Francois Legault has no appetite for Western oil! Francois use your Maple Syrup instead of our propane Ha ; The shoe is starting to drop!

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