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Oops: Trump's Pick to Head CIA Did Not Oversee Waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah


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So basically, the two senators mentioned in the story as sources are liars. Consequences?

I know I sound naive, but, perhaps we need to go back to the days of the founders where duels were common. If you're going to deal sh!t, you'd best be prepared to deal with dying in a duel as a result.

Torture is now on a par with racism as a word with no meaning. If waterboarding, sleep deprivation (hello any parent) and listening to Nickleback is torture, then nothing is torture.

If she had it would have been even more impressive.

You see, the truth is irrelevant. The fake story got out. Less than half of the people that read the fake news will know the difference.

Mission accomplished.

Truth chasing a lie is a lost cause.

"Mission accomplished."

As long as future terrorists(Antifa) think that the New CIA Director Haspel is a torturer and that they think the basement they've been warehoused in is a Black Site in some 3rd World Toilet, ...I'm fine with that.

I can say, having experienced it, that listening to Nickleback most certainly is torture.

After having to listen to it playing over and over as a passenger getting a free ride for a few hours, I would have confessed to anything just to have it shut off.

I would agree that torture might be ineffective when used on a true patriot, a true believer in the cause, and someone with a lot of internal fortitude. But I suspect it is pretty effective against a lot of these Jihadis, especially the ones who grew up in Canada or the U.S. and went over to Syria or Iraq on a lark.

Anybody who is prepared to leave their own country to go wreak havoc in another has no integrity and very little reason not to betray his former mates. There is no honour among thieves.

There is an interview on YouTube where Mark Steyn interviews Dr. Marshall on his old CRTV show and it is absolutely riveting. Dr. Marshall's book also gives a fascinating insite as to how the Islamofascists operate.

Oh they lied? Who cares, they got their shots in; now everybody moves on to the next false narrative.

No accountability, though possibly except for the slow bleed the market is dealing them.

Going after terrorists disqualifies her? These people are thick to even consider the possibility an officer of her position in the CIA would be "overseeing" any waterboarding; plus who cares. Oh black ops; isn't that part of the job description?

It comes from the same part of stupidity as the NFBers "The Kid Who Couldn't Miss" aka all heroes are liars, with King George V meeting Billy Bishop as he landed from his VC winning mission, as he was apparently groomed for medals, and somehow, instead of attacking an aerodrome, he instead landed his plane in some field, a plane which had no brakes and which he probably couldn't restart, removing his gun and shooting his tail to appear as battle damage, then apparently catching his brakeless plane getting, getting in, flying away, leaving the gun behind. It all makes sense to the gullible except for the part, besides the no brakes or help restarting, where pilots regularly discarded their guns when out of ammo to lighten the load for escape from attacks.

The parasites let people think stupid things to get away with their lying crap. They know the public falls for exceptions proving rules.

They NFB got away with that gong show. The parasites keep getting away with this crap because everybody moves along.

The Demedia and DeMarxists know America is currently in a political dead heat. All they need is wins in the House to seize power with "impeach 45," with investigators currently looking for evidence of their conclusions of "high crimes & misdemeanors," grinding the nation to a halt in the process.

All of it in the interests of political power. Some heroes. Oh right, liars.

Alas, there are exceptions and Bishop did cheat on his RMC exams.

That proves the need for collectivists' enlightened despotism, or other such nonsense they spit out.

They play tough, trying to run out the clock, because they think the voters will not notice their chicanery; a bad bet?

Too bad for them a big pile of political dung is about to fall on all of them, starting tonight with the firing of Andrew McCabe.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/andrew-mccabe-fired/index.html

Waterboarding and sleep dep are clearly torture. The latter is dumb because it will interfere with the subject's ability to recall details.

And you know all this from....personal experience? Please enlighten us.

From the experience of people who have been subjected to it. It is simulated drowning. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily against it, but it's obviously torture.

Yah ! So she’s still a BAD woman ... cause she’s workin for Trump.

Not an authentic woman.

Sleep deprivation is actually considered one of the best methods of harsh interrogation,the subject will inevitably start talking just to be left alone to sleep. More acceptable for all involved than skinning alive Iranian-style...

Just curious ... what you think of the torture used to flush out the Branch Davidians in Waco? Sleep deprivation by playing ear splitting music and shocking sounds all night and day, cutting off the water supply, food supply, and power. All while a dozen children were in the house. Showing up with guns blazing, shooting through the walls and doors ... knowing there were a dozen children inside? Something tells me you approve of this kind of government torture ... when it is directed at white folk ... crazy religious white folk

He has lots of experience not being able to recall the truth.

According to a Frontline documentary which PBS aired several years ago, Janet Reno ordered the government forces to invade the compound. Apparently, earlier in her career, she dealt with cases of child abuse and, as the documentary speculated, she may have felt that something similar might have been going on.

Presumably, that order was issued with the best of intentions, but, as we all know, it all went horribly wrong.

Waco was a massacre and you're an idiot who can't go two seconds without tackling strawmen.

As the local Waco Sheriff repeatedly told the entire Federal “Law Enforcement” cabal ... just ask me, and I will tell you when David Koresch and/or any of his followers go shopping at the local market ... and you can pick em up. There was NO NEED for what the government did. Yeah, Janet ... KILL the children to SAVE the children. She should have resigned the day after the initial assault turned deadly. Period. Incompetence, and government overreach at its WORST.

Oh yeah ... and marrying 13yo girls is sketchy (at best) ... although LEGAL with parental consent. So get over it Janet. Your own hero’s in Hollywood do much worse ... with no consequence. And yeah, Koresch is a total nut job ... but I can give you multiple leftist nut job communes who live in the Bay Area with nary a sideways glance from Law Enforcement.

Straw man? Hardly. Torture is torture. But when it is specifically aimed at American citizens that the government ... just doesn’t like ... you need to worry. A lot. I AM happy for one thing though ... you have now been picked up on our governments “key word” surveillance. Since you responded violently to a message about “Waco” ... you are now being surveilled. Woo hoo ! I got our government to sweep you up into a watchlist!

"The awkward communications between officials barred from disclosing classified information and reporters trying to reveal secrets in which there is legitimate public interest can sometimes end in miscommunication. In this instance, we failed to understand the message the CIA’s press office was trying to convey in its statement."

In other words, we just went ahead and made up an exciting story; professional ethics, truth, and fairness be damned.

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