The Sound Of Settled Science

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I sometimes wish SDA had a "like" or "dislike" button for moments like this.

and that Superstore / Shoppers, London Drugs cashiers would drop the disdain they have in their voice when they ask me, "will you be needing any bags"? while I generally ask for an extra simply because they're cheaper than regular small garbage bags.

This has been a bete noir for me for years. Disposable plastic bags have been designed to break down into organic compounds (i.e. fertilizer) when exposed to heat and/or UV (like sunlight) since the 1970's. The 5 cent bag tax is just supermarkets gouging you with a green excuse.

I've pushed back some times, too: pointing out that since I just bought a hundred dollars worth of groceries, I expect them to comp me a couple of bags if they want to keep me as a customer. Or, if they refuse, tell them I would like to buy seven hundred and thirty nine bags, and would you please count them out so I know I'm getting exactly the bags I'm paying for. IF they demur I ask them why they suddenly won't sell me a product they were just offering to me, and can I speak to the manager.

I'm not a fan of the war on plastic bags but I must admit that the numbers, 7100 and 20000, seem high. When you look at the report the numbers rely on the plastic bags being used as garbage bags and then incinerated. I think the incinerators are also used to make electricity. I think incinerators are a great way to dispose of garbage but it's difficult to get acceptance from nearby towns. I lived in a town near where an incinerator was proposed and it was defeated by local residents. This was a town that was used to mining, oil, gas and large utilities. I suppose centralized locations far from habitation might get built.

My protest for the bag tax has been to go to the self checkout, select zero bags and then take as many as I need. I figure I am saving them the cost of an employee so it is the least I could do.

Once a receipt checker has called me on not paying for the bags. I placed all the bags on the floor and asked for a refund of the products if they couldn't comp me the bag. A visit by the manager quickly resolved the standoff to my benefit.,with an apology.

How quickly they forget - or never did a good literature search

http://jennifermarohasy.com/2006/10/how-are-plastic-bags-a-symbol-of-inefficiency/

There was more at this site but you get a 404 on the link atm

IIRC one point was that those bags were made from ethane which would otherwise be flared

Around about then (early 2000's) Ireland had banned plastic bags

http://www.allaboutbags.ca/irelandandlitter.html

With such spectacular failure that even the greens on the Scottish parliamentary enquiry on same conceded that it was not a good idea

Sorry, scientific analysis is not allowed as a criteria when the green clergy have deemed otherwise. Your overlords always know what's best for you, the planet, and their re-election prospects.

The SCIENCE of this analysis will be immediately assaulted by the Eco-faithful. The eco-Saviours will quote their scriptures of; oceanic plastic patches the size of Texas (that cannot be seen with the naked eye), and seabirds strangled by Bud Lite 6-pack connectors. It’s gonna be real wrath of Gaia if you don’t BAN THE BAG!

Google buries non-PC results so deep that I couldn't find the links, but studies in the pioneering markets showed that charging people for grocery bags led to an increase in the sale of purpose-sold garbage bags such that there was no change in the amount of plastic going to landfill.

Steve

Some data in that Irish link above.

I just take the bag from SS, payment is voluntary at SELF SERVE kiosks.............

He left out the cost of transporting paper bags and plastic bags. I read somewhere that to transport a truckload of plastic bags cost $X, to transport the same number of paper bags would take a LOT more trunks - and end up costing 58 times more than what it costs to transport a truckload of plastic bags.

I recall it is 58 times, but I may be wrong; in any case, it costs a LOT more to move paper bags.

Had to chuckle when I saw this in the news yesterday. Typical junk science that the media likes to use to scare people. The study was commissioned by Orb Media, which as far as I could determine is an organization of activist journalists with an agenda. The study has not been published in a journal nor has it been peer reviewed. Nor is there evidence that the presence of the microplastics is any danger to human health.

WHO launches health review after microplastics found in 90% of bottled water
Researchers find levels of plastic fibres in popular bottled water brands could be twice as high as those found in tap water

Some jurisdictions this isn't even the grocery store, it's a law.

As with all "green" things, private enterprise loves it.

"Wait, you'll voluntarily pay extra for s##t that we used to be expected to provide for free? And be ANGRY if you don't?"

Our city council is definitely in sheeple mode. Victoria and a couple of other municipalities got on the 'ban the bag' campaign and ours is about to follow suit.

Who was it pleading with city council to save the earth by banning the bag? None other than erstwhile wannabe politician and social activist/gadfly, Paul Manly - son of notable former NDP MP and anti-Semite, Jim Manly.

a nickel a bag, best profit margin in the whole damn store. I love when some idiot starts honking off about saving the environment by not using these suckers. I used to work in the industry, and know that shite inside out.

Daniel Ream, all plastic bio-degrades, some are designed to do so very quickly, and that technology was designed by a local company.

This new learning amazes me Sir Bedivere. Explain to me again how sheep’s bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

Dumped Google for duckduckgo about a year ago. No more lefty B.S. at the top of the list.

The canvas bags have to be laundered...your groceries are so filthy you'd be shocked! I machine wash and hang dry.The Kw/ hour I do not know! Its big bucks now $$$$! I do this cuz the Hudson Bay bags are pretty, a beautiful horizontal stripe, white, yellow, red, green and navy! I get complimented on them often.

They got me coming and going, I am such a sucker,they "suck me dry and call me dusty"!

( Channeling Kenji, Kulak, and Steakman's style of writing...
who else...Dan BC and P.O. 'd in AB too....)

The canvas bags have to be laundered...your groceries are so filthy you'd be shocked! I machine wash and hang dry.The Kw/ hour I do not know! Its big bucks now $$$$! I do this cuz the Hudson Bay bags are pretty, a beautiful horizontal stripe, white, yellow, red, green and navy! I get complimented on them often.

They got me coming and going, I am such a sucker,they "suck me dry and call me dusty"!

( Channeling Kenji, Kulak, and Steakman's style of writing...
who else...Dan BC and P.O. 'd in AB too....)

I also wonder about the net benefit of using reusable Tupperware sandwich containers vs single use sandwich bags.
I'm thinking washing the Tupperware once is equivalent to multiple sandwich bags but that's just a guess.

I heard it was 57....give or take.

yeah, destroying the earth in order to save it. what else is new.

I suggest a compromise.

Yeah. My way

I also wonder about the net benefit of using reusable Tupperware sandwich containers vs single use sandwich bags.

Well, the tupperware is rigid so your sandwich won't get crushed. And you can use it for wet food, too.

I always answer the question honestly. "How many bags would you like to buy today?" "I would not like to buy any bags. I would like you to give them to me for free like the Longos does because my business is more important to you than empty virtue signalling."

Kenji, maybe I have said this before but 90 % of that plastic floating in the ocean is from Africa and South America, and if memory serves the Middle East.

less than 10 % comes from North America nor Europe. We are not the cause of the problem.

They used satellites images to determine where the plastic was coming from; it comes from people trhowing their garbage in rivers, the rivers brings that to the ocean. That is how they dispose of garbage in Africa and South America , just dump it in the river...

In other words, if we reduced how much plastic we use to almost nothing, it would be like a drop in the ocean ( pun intended )

if you need the link to the article I could probably find it.

A lot of these bags are made from plant-based bioplastics. Made from stalks and other 'waste' products.

As to the places that charge, many governments (state and local) are the ones charging the fee. Which means that the store is actually losing from the practice. Now, if the company is the one that is virtue-signaling, well, time to dump that company.

Me? I enjoy asking for plastic and regaling all around me with my support for the petro-chemical industry, especially in 'health-food' stores.

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