The Children Are Our Future

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...and that's why I'm packing my Structural & Integrity field testing kit.

Makes one wonder about all the new "infrastructure" Trump has promised to build* ...

* finally ... after Obama gave $ 1.7 Trillion to UNIONS, State, and Local governments to stay in "business"

The University of Regina's engineering faculty is no stranger to scandal.

Nearly 20 years ago, one of its professors turned out to have forged credentials. She passed off her ex-husband's degree as her own, told a few nose-stretchers, and got herself a faculty position. She was there for about 2 years when some students complained that there was an investigation.

When it was learned that she had fibbed and that she never earned an engineering degree herself, she ended up being a guest in the crowbar hotel.

It was a black eye not only for the U of R, but also for the provincial professional engineering association.

"I have to take responsibility for that. If I had been in the room it may not have happened. Or if I had been in the room and seen it I could have taken action against students."

The Professor has nothing to regret,he simply trusted his students to possess some integrity,which they apparently did NOT. Better to find out the character of these people before they graduate than after,when they can do a lot of damage in the real world.

I was just about to write about that when I read your comment. She was a Vietnamese immigrant and she proffered her husbands Physics Degree as her own.
Physics is not a science one should choose to fake an education in. The students will find you out quickly.
That said, I still laugh that she was able to fake it for so long as she did just because she wasn't white.

They had her when she wrote E = mc times 2.

One of the reasons I bailed out of undergraduate engineering in the 90's was the shockingly unethical behaviour and lax standards of the engineering faculty. Since then I've had occasion to work for and with engineering firms employing grads from my alma mater and and other top-tier engineering schools in Canada and my opinion has only been reinforced: the least trustworthy person in the room is the one wearing the iron ring.

Also no one wants to say it, but it's the foreign Chinese students that are the source of the majority of the cheating. They simply see nothing wrong with it and believe they won't ever get caught and if they do nothing will come of it. To some extent they're right; the university won't expel everyone they catch cheating or they'd be decimating every year's cohort.

Also no one wants to say it, but it's the foreign Chinese students that are the source of the majority of the cheating. They simply see nothing wrong with it and believe they won't ever get caught and if they do nothing will come of it.

I can confirm that. During my Ph. D. residency, I was a teaching assistant in a certain course. One of my TA colleagues was a Chinese student and some of her friends were enrolled in it.

I saw first-hand how it appeared that she was doing their work for them. I gave the course's sessional lecture some subtle hints about it, but he didn't want to stir things up as he was close to finishing his degree. In addition, her academic performance, as well as certain departmental connections, gave her some status with the faculty. It wouldn't have been good public relations to have one of their better students caught doing things under the table, so to speak.

She's now a tenured professor at a certain university elsewhere in the country.

While I was a tech college instructor, I noticed similar things. We had a group from a certain country go through and they were well-known for cheating. Some of my students complained to me about it but I, quite rightly, told them that I couldn't do anything unless I actually caught them at it or had hard evidence that they did.

During one exam, I noticed a few wandering gazes. When I spoke up and said, "Eyes on your own papers!" a number of those student looked up with a "Who, me?" look on their faces.

I've got lots of similar stories to tell, but I'm sure you get the picture.

FFS - I have been a Professional Engineer for 20 years and I too have seen my fair share of questionable behavior from engineers and non-engineers in industry. But cheating on the ethics exam? It's literally the easiest test to pass!

I usually don't disparage other engineers but the U of R has widely been known as the 'embarrassing cousin' of Engineering colleges subject to jokes etc.

At the U of S we had regular moral boosting activities and one of these would be sidewalk painting. We had common sense unwritten rules - washable hockey rink paint, always in the open so the rain can wash it away, never on buildings etc.

It was a few years back the U of R engineering students did this - with regular paint... on buildings (face palm).

Dumb question from an ignorant Yank...Is that picture from the 1917 Halifax explosion?

She was a Vietnamese immigrant and she proffered her husbands Physics Degree as her own.

The whole affair took a bizarre twist when someone noticed that the degree she claimed as her own had a man's name on it. She passed that one off with an I, Napoleon defence.

You couldn't make up this stuff if you tried.....

It might be of the famous Quebec Bridge after one of the times it collapsed.

Legend has it that the first iron rings that Canadian engineering graduates wear were made from structural members that were recovered. It's a nice story but, apparently, it's not true.

I did hear a story about a class that did have its rings made from the remnants of a failure. When the C Train in Calgary was being built nearly 40 years ago, a tunnel that was to go below McLeod Trail collapsed. Someone had the idea to salvage some of the structural members and use them to make the rings for the graduating class at the University of Calgary.

Thanks B.A.--Looks like you're right--and that is certainly a more fitting picture than one from the Halifax explosion. Much appreciate it!

BTW, our hills to the east may get up to 2 1/2 meters of global warming between now and Saturday. Fingers crossed! http://www.sacbee.com/news/weather/article204695904.html

The wages of pragmatism first taught by the commie John Dewey...

U of R, a publicly funded socialist, and Marxist institution. Fact. U of S on its way to same model. Critical thinking, excellence, and independent thought, out the window, and not allowed.

Is it any wonder that successful people send their children to US to study, and not at Berkley or other wingnut schools.

Fact is the subversion is endemic in Canadian Academia. We truly are screwed, Gov wants this, funds this, and desires this.

Critical independent educated folks would never support a dope peddling, gay flag waving, terrorist funding, divisive, and take from others model.

Success and aim higher are out, it's al about equal suffering, equal servitude, equal nothing. Sad but true.

Canada, what Pierre failed to do, Justin is commited to do. Sad, we truly are in trouble as a "Country".

University of Regina has an engineering school? Really? The engineering college in Saskatchewan is at the University of Saskatchewan. I thing the U of R is some kind of polytechnique or something.
Notice that they do not have Civil, Mechanical, Electrical, Chemical, Agricultural, or Geophysics disciplines. They have a bunch of new combined disciplines so that they do not conflict with the U of S. How do you explain that you are a systems engineer to a potential employer?

They should shut the joint down and stop deluding their students into thinking they have a viable engineering degree.

Then they can bulldoze the place since it has no redeeming Architectural value. It can then be returned to it's rightful owners, Canadian Geese and everything that comes with them. It would be a significant improvement.

By the way, one of the engineering ring stories is true, I just can't remember which one. But the lesson to be learned was not to make rings out of cast iron. It turns your skin green as it corrodes and is attacked by your sweat. Of course, nobody would notice it against the knuckle tattoos on most students fingers anyway.

anybody remember that famous West Point cheating scandal?

an irreconcilable contradiction drove the process; the ethical ones didn't have an 'edge', the cheaters, well, who's going to rat them out?
the olde rule about rats applies E-V-E-R-Y-W-H-E-R-E: you rat, you get permanently ostracized.

etc etc

oooooohhh jeezlouise are you EVER spot on DR.

when I was collecting credits for my BSc @ ye olde Brock in St Kitts, I was on real good terms with the TAs because they knew I was on the level.
one of them much to his credit 'split up' all the gooks in the exam room so they couldnt pass hand signals
or notes or gookese whispers or wtf they planned.

fcukin cheats. a nation of 1,500,000,000 cheats who steal intellectual property, sneak $ into Canuckistan cheating their own gubbamint,
take short cuts with their baby food and kill their own children, on and on and on.

This is not confined to engineering. One of our offsprings, headed for a different degree, had to participate in a group project. She was assigned to pull all the work together, and quickly determined that a male colleague had cribbed his contribution from the net. Our daughter, being a woman of character, spent a weekend re-doing that "contribution" so it was s proper submission. She also complained to her "school" at the uni; nothing happened.

She has since gone on to do very well, but still with a strong moral responsibility for what she does (as have all the offsprings). Do wonder where the guy is.

The wimmen are our future.

Because its 2018.

That'll learn em!

"no one wants to say it, but it's the foreign Chinese students that are the source of the majority of the cheating. "

Very true. I have seen many Chinese students cheat on exams or be accused of cheating. We're always hearing about what excellent students they are. Much of it is a sham.

And students from other Asian countries also cheat. A Korean man named Young-wan Byeon told us he hired someone to take the GRE for him. That got him into a prestigious graduate program in the USA.

Coldin, that was part of the intent. The green fingers on a newly minted engineer (with new iron ring) was a way of letting those working with him (then it was predominantly "him") that this was a new engineer, so check everything they touch! As the surface of the ring was changed by the constant contact with the body, the green stain went away. Over time, the sharp facets on the ring wore away too (which is why it goes on the pinky of the working hand).

There are other sources for both of the old sayings, but wearing off the rough edges and being green both used to apply to engineering rings in Canada. We use a different alloy now, so no more green fingers.

"Cheating" and how one regards it is cultural. It's part of why anglo-saxon English culture came to rule the world. Guns don't care who your friends are or what the pay-off was, they either work or don't work. Populations being close to equal, a culture that has ingrained "do it right, or don't do it" will eventually win over a "good enough, I got my cut" culture, just because one can depend on things to work and the other can't. I think that's part of why the advocates are so busy trying to destroy our culture, because they can't see what will happen when things stop working.

Oh, that's a bridge, eh? I thought it was an x-ray of Andrew Scheer's backbone.

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