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Bake that cake, Christian hater: Helmets no longer mandatory for turban-wearing Sikh motorcyclists in Alberta


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Come to think of it, those seat-belts can be a real hindrance to comfort while wearing a ceremonial knife as well.

Where do you buy a turban?

I don't care if anyone is wearing a helmet, a seatbelt, or not. Possibly if they're sitting directly behind me I may care, as I wouldn't want to be squished by flying back seat people... but my limit of concern ends about 2 feet from me in this regard.

The comments at the Calgary Herald were nauseating, I could only skim through a few, with too many people saying that if they weren't going to wear helmets, they shouldn't have access to Alberta Health, with no-one mentioning how that could apply to anything the gov't deems "dangerous" ... or actually, to anything that may actually be dangerous.

Like drinking coffee in California, or gay anal sex.

For example.

Who pays the medical bills when they crash and end up disabled for life? I’m sure the insurance companies love this plan.

Finally!

A reasonable individual might say let everyone have the same rights. Allow helmets to be voluntary over 18. Give Darwin some room to work.

Some are more equal than others. In other breaking news; DOGS BARK! WATER RUNS DOWNHILL!

I see some Charter challenges in the near future!

yep should be a personal choice.

like mountie hats

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ... winner winner chicken dinner! We got one who actually believes Trudeau's charter protects citizens from the government! The purpose of Trudeau's charter is to strip citizens of power and grow government; any and all charter "challenges" push things in that direction.

As a Christian baker ... I would REFUSE to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. No. Not for “religious” reasons ... but for “health” reasons. Sugar is poison. It should carry a diabetes warning label (at least in CA). Safety ... esp. protecting “the children” ... is paramount. As a Christian Baker ... I am actually being compassionate to the gay couple, by keeping them from getting FAT (if the diesel dyke couple aren’t already there) and keep them from getting Type II diabetes.

It is amusing how even here, every comment thread is still majority "government should do something, government will save us". I guess it is just too much for most people to face up to the fact that it is all stacked against them. No one who has ever been in government was your friend. Every rule, law, that has ever been passed was simply one tiny insignificant cut. How many tiny cuts before you are dead? By my count, Canada is up to 120,000,000 tiny cuts on all of us.

Do they make Turbans from Kevlar?

So, they want Sikhs to die?

I've always thought this to be BS, and I still do.
Offer them a decent paying job that requires a hard-hat and watch how quickly they figure out how to accommodate that requirement.

A religious exemption for 1 religion, is opening up a real can of worms.

Though as long as there is a hierarchy to rights in Canada, I don't see an easy way out. Of course, an easy way out would be for the gov't to get out of the business of only allowing what they deem to be safe.

And that's not about to happen until the revolution against big gov't takes hold.

But shouldn't the government MAKE them sign their donor cards?
Oh, wait, let's not get the government involved.

I read through most of the comments too. The ones that made the most sense to me argued that yes, they have a religious obligation to wear a turban. There is no obligation or right to ride a bike. Treat everyone the same with respect to helmets and they can choose which is more important to them

First off, in ontarIowe, this has been a fact for several years now.

Second, the head diaper is cultural, and not religious, and the judges failing to recognize this just says more about how fcuked our judicial system is.


Third, government AND the LEGAL system needs start treating people with the same consideration and rules.


MARC, try learning context and comparative equality. You post makes you look biASSed and stupid

Aaaargh! I just found myself agreeing with Wynne! But not for the same reason luckily. There should be no separate rules for separate religions. Even if the rule is debatable (mandatory helmets) it should be one size fits all.

Indigenous peoples “religion” affords them unlimited EXEMPTION from the settlers Laws. Worms meet can.

You mean like Catholic schools?

"Offer them a decent paying job that requires a hard-hat and watch how quickly they figure out how to accommodate that requirement."

Presumably the accommodation would be similar to this:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/internalops/og/og-00003.htm

Of course their vehicle insurance coverage excludes head injuries, or they must pay more; or is that racist?

"Do they make Turbans from Kevlar?"

I am led to believe that the Indian military actually does have a protective turban insert.

So when they get into an accident and crack their skull open who pays for their medical bills?

The same tax payers that pay for gay people that contract anal cancer.

Is there a hierarchy to medical care in Canada? I mean besides the Saskatchewan Roughriders and Workers Comp. recipients that leapfrog everyone else when they need a MRI scan... or the First Nations people that have no stake in the cost of medical services while they're tax exempt.

What's the argument against gov't distributing needles to addicts? Who pays for their idiocy?

Is it the gov't job to surcharge for "stupid behavior" or better yet... doing something that's not gov't approved?

I'd love to see the gov't try and collect a surcharge against people that scrape their knees while skateboarding...

How about those that contract cancer from eating too much well done / charred beef? or those diabetics that don't monitor sugar levels in the gov't mandated manner?

(possible sarcasm. . . )

The problem here isn't gov't allowing 1 religion to be exempt from a law, it's gov't mandating what they deem to be acceptable behavior.

Big gov't is the problem, all across the country.

Kevin,

Hardly. I don't trust the Charter any more than eating it could provide nourishment. The pile left over the next day is the appropriate state of being for it.

What I said was the courts would be used to even out the application of the law, nothing more and nothing less. This is a very common use of the Charter for personal gain.

Blow up context much?

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the last time my goldwing and i parted company at speed,
i woke up in the ambo as the paramedics were cutting off
my clothes.

was wearing one of those way cool half helmets and, well...
let's just say it was a bad call... the dental bills alone
cost me more than the bike. i felt fortunate not to have
sanded my face off on the tarmac. not joking.

won't even throw a leg over a motorcycle before donning
a brand name fullface brain bucket.

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"So when they get into an accident and crack their skull open who pays for their medical bills?"


Same one who pays the medical bills for smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts, speeders, drunk drivers, extreme sport enthusiasts, old guys putting up Christmas lights off a step ladder, jay walkers, McDonald's diners...

Here's a thought....... end the requirement that ANYONE is required to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle. Let freedom of choice ring out. Personally, I always do but mainly because it has a face mask and I hate bugs in my teeth.

There are way too many laws as it is. (I go now to put on my knee pads, elbow pads, jock strap, and helmet so that I can ride my bicycle safely around the block.)

PS: Michigan ended the requirement a few years ago. It hasn't made one wit of a difference in any way.

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"It hasn't made one wit of a difference in any way."

i'm guessing there are any number of comatose, brain-dead
people in chronic care facilities
who would beg to disagree...
if they could miraculously get another kick at the cat.

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With all that material and hair underneath it...unless they are bald..they have at least a cushioned blow to their heads. Let 'em go with it, it's their life.

There are other exemptions across Canada on religious grounds or favouring certain religious customs, like prayer spaces in the workplace.

Ontario funds a complete school system parallel to the public system for Catholics. This means we have four systems, French and English schools for each board. Very costly and divisive, we are a much different society than we were in 1867. At this juncture the Catholic schools are recruiting all religions to keep enrollment up in many locations.

The turban issue probably comes under freedom of religion, that coupled with multicultural policies we are going see more and more division with exemptions and privileges It will no doubt attract more and more immigrants with whom we have no history to our shores.

Even way back before they enacted laws I always used seat-belts and helmets, but then again, I paid attention in physics class. To me, not wearing helmets or seat-belts is nothing less than Darwinism at work. If you honestly think riding a 'hog' helmet-less amongst Calgary drivers is a wise choice, we can do without you in the gene pool.

I believe this Sikh-only exclusion to law is just another example of 'Political Correctness meets visible minority'.

Way to go Alberta! A primo example of why separation stopped being a viable solution to leftardism about 1 or 2 decades ago. You are too deeply infected!!

"i'm guessing there are any number of comatose, brain-dead......"

You would be guessing wrong then. Statistics show no significant change. And by the way, did that "half helmet" stay on your head as you skidded down the highway? I'm guessing it didn't and yet..... here you are.

We both wear helmets. You fear the government. I make a personal choice.

"Same one who pays the medical bills for smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts, speeders, drunk drivers, extreme sport enthusiasts, old guys putting up Christmas lights off a step ladder, jay walkers, McDonald's diners..."

Exactly. Since medical care is funded through our taxes in Canada, it would seem pretty outrageous to contemplate denial of that care to those who fund it.

"PS: Michigan ended the requirement a few years ago. It hasn't made one wit of a difference in any way."

I wonder what studies actually say about helmet effectiveness. I see a lot of helmetless riders in the US. I had a friend who hit a deer. It took him a year before he could walk again. Is the main purpose of a helmet so you can have pretty face and an open coffin?

The notion that Sikhs must wear turbans is a myth. Their religion does NOT require them to wear a turban....it requires them to cover their hair. Sikh men often wear a patka when playing sports. They could easily consider the helmet to be "covering their hair". Just another sop for votes among an identifiable group.

"Ontario funds a complete school system parallel to the public system for Catholics. This means we have four systems, French and English schools for each board. Very costly and divisive, we are a much different society than we were in 1867. At this juncture the Catholic schools are recruiting all religions to keep enrollment up in many locations."

So are you recommending a single English-language public school system instead of the four?

"The notion that Sikhs must wear turbans is a myth."

Are you a Sikh?

If you're not, you're hardly in an authoritative position to dictate what is or isn't a requirement of their religion.

Dats why us injuns don't wear stetsons. It would bust our eagle fedders.

George Soros again on the march, employing the EUropean tactic against the states. It will give Trump the opportunity to call in the army for defence of the US and build that wall hopefully.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adolfoflores/a-huge-caravan-of-central-americans-is-headed-for-the-us?utm_term=.snnjjMKP6d#.orrbbwpjzl

I don't believe this will increase medical costs. It will increase visits to the morgue and cemetery.

If you hit your helmetless head on the pavement there is very little chance you will survive.

Bit of bad luck. Have at er'.

Actually, given the nature of most bicycle helmets, I do not feel they give that much protection. By contrast, those Sikh turbans seem to have a lot of cushioning. Maybe there is a fair solution (which would provide equality and safety) staring us right in the face :-)

The nanny state versus the discriminating state, always controversial and both wrong. My first reaction was, "a kick-start unit driven by a pull-start unit".

Just pointing out there are exceptions across the board on religious grounds.

I would imagine it would be cheaper to fund one public system to include both English and French schools.

Newfoundland did it, I think Tobin was the Premier when he said no more funding religious schools, they would be just schools for all.

Quebec is along linguistic lines, they do whatever they want of course, they are as close to a country within a country as it gets to include their own immigration.

Whatever will be done in the case of female Sikhs? I don't believe they wear a turban yet will they be exempt as well?

Just think of it this way, the Sikh motorcyclists are PRE-BANDAGED before the emergency first responders have to deal with their damaged heads.

The first aid folks just roll them off the roadway on a spine board, and yer 'good to go'...

Safety first!

Prosit!

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'

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"david says... We both wear helmets. You fear
the government. I make a personal choice."

tell me more about me, random internet stranger...
and, btw... the medics cut the helmet off, too.
so... two erroneous assumptions so far.

i trust you will post the source of your
"no difference" assertion?

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"given the nature of most bicycle helmets, I do not feel they
give that much protection."

have a paramedic friend who was on bike patrol in downtown toronto...
hit a curb wrong and went over the handlebars straight onto the
curb
.. his helmet had a major deformation (they're designed to
crush instead of your punkin
) and he later told me the helmet
saved his life.

just my two cents.

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