BC exports $600 million worth of aluminum to the United States each year. The proposed trade tariffs by the US would put thousands of BC jobs at risk, creating uncertainty for people and their communities. #bcpoli #cdnpoli
— John Horgan (@jjhorgan) March 6, 2018
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Apart from Brad Wall in SK, has Canada ever had such dysfunctional crew of no-nothings at the tiller?
Horgan, Notley, Wynn, Trudeau.
A bureaucrat, two activists and a drama teacher. This is the best we could do.
And you have to check out Horgan’s complaint on Twitter. BC aluminum is apparently lower in carbon so the tariffs are threatening the climate.
They’re the modern day equivalents of people who used to hear thunder and thought the gods were angry. Mindless lemmings.
So, Comrade Horgan isn't concerned about the job cuts that will occur, thanks to his ramping up of the minimum wage, and the YUGE payroll tax increases to employers over $500k of payroll, for a new Health Tax, to replace MSP premiums, nor the huge tax increases proposed on ALL Canadians that own a second property in BC.
Only Horgan and his comrade crew can are okay to destroy jobs, that's allowable, but not TRUMP, thats evil!
The NDP is truly an evil entity, as her his Green puppets
Horgan suggested US border agents need only check the steel coming across the border to ensure their steel spill plan is sufficient.
What do you expect from a government that guarantees that everyone has an income but doesn't expect people to actually work for it?
I missed the part where Comrade Horgan promised during the campaign to "MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE".
THe LIVs bought that. NDP policy has raised the costs of everything. The health payroll tax is a particularly insidious tax on employers, and of course, municipalities. Some one remind the ENDP who pays taxes to the cities........its an underhanded move, making the cities the bad guys, although they largely are the NDP farm team.
Well, at least the ENDP is living up tot heir reputation of being tax and spenders, and hasnt wasted any time reinforcing it. Now, bring on the decline!
Horgan is defending an operation that he would never allow to be built if it were proposed today. The Plant at Kitimat exists only because Alcan (during a more rational regime) built a large hydro electric facility to smelt aluminum brought in from distant lands and shipped out - all by ships now "threatening" the magical, mystical, and invaluable Salmon. Campbell's Liberals disallowed the previously agreed upon expansion (Kemano completion) based on such green theology thereby costing BC taxpayers a half billion in compensation.
The political situation in B. C. is similar to Canada's. A majority of the electorate lives in a densely-populated region and it votes only for its own interests. The remainder of the province is, frankly, SOL.
I grew up in NE B. C. and I remember how people there often felt frustrated at being governed by the whims of Lotusland. Now that I'm back there more often, due to my having to settle my father's estate, that feeling still exists, at least among those people who've lived there for at least, say, 20 years.
".....would put thousands of BC jobs at risk, creating uncertainty for people and their communities."
Sooooo, about those pipelines through BC, originating in AB & denying their throughput, plus a tanker ban "...would put thousands of AB/Sask jobs at risk, creating uncertainty for people & communities."
Yeah, tell me about it, John. I'll shed a few tears & call someone who cares.
It's reassuring to see that John Horgan and I only share 1 twitter friend, Ezra Levant.
That's right John. Canada has no aluminum ore (bauxite) which is a tropically weathered product. But take a look at the list of aluminum smelters by country.
China is the largest producer and consumer. Their 3 largest facilities exceed Canada's total production. There could be as many as 100 Chinese smelters. I wonder how many use coal?
Also important is the list of US smelters. A number of them have closed. I expect that Trump is unhappy with the electrical power costs afforded Canadian companies as this is a major cost in producing aluminum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aluminium_smelters
Yet Alberta is voicing it's opposition to the tariffs on aluminium and steel. Even though none is made in Alberta.
It's okay, John, B.C. can just ramp up its low-carbon coal exports.
"A bureaucrat, two activists and a drama teacher. This is the best we could do."
The lure of a free lunch in utopia is irresistible.
Bingo! Exactly. There is no worse leftist lying hypocrite like another leftist lying hypocrite. It shows the degradation of Canadian society that the likes of Soros/Tides paid for scum politicians like Horgan, Notley, Wynn, Trudeau are elected. Add Roberts to that list. No doubt I missed some names.
As BC'er who has to go to work now.. Just a question. Has anyone here done a tally of which governments that Soros controls now/.. Large parts of Canada now are on that list..
Chip; So true! If it wasn't so serious it would be comical. Turdeau and Horgan will man the barricades.
My standard rant is that foreign governments wanted Harper gone. They funded the effort in the last election to make sure that happened. Why? Harper was actually developing a more independent business future for Canada and thusly a more independent foreign policy. One of the key planks in this strategy was Canadian energy to tidewater. Northern Gateway, Trans Mountain and Energy East were all elements. LNG off the west coast was a key element. Since the Harper ouster all of this is essentially gone.
Besides the utter incompetence of selling resources below market prices while deficit spending, the current government has systematically sabotaged Western Canada's energy industry. It has allowed BC to delay Trans Mountain to the point of economic ruin. Turdeau should have countered the USA's NAFTA demands by immediately authorizing the start of Trans Mountain. He never did and this is the worst demonstration of weak leadership to date.
Unlike many Canadians I sympathize with the American international trade position. I do not think Trump is unique he is simply voicing a ground swell of American concern. The USA has;
1) Funded world defense since WW II; 2) endured trade deficits to the tune of up to $1 trillion per year; 3) carries a national debt over $20 trillion. A debt that threatens every entitlement program in the USA; Globally the USA has to adopt a pay as you go policy and that will not change whether Trump is POTUS or not. It is passing strange that the MSM condemns Trumps deficit of $1 trillion through a tax cut when GDP growth could eliminate that risk. That same media had no problem with Obama doubling the USA national debt during his presidency.
Canada has to grow up. It is not the USA's responsibility to take care of us. Canadian industrial policy which over saw a massive capital investment in Ontario and Quebec is a huge failure. Firms are leaving for the USA. Canada is a resource based economy yet spends like a first world economy. The nature of the economy demands a more fiscally conservative approach. Ultimately weak leadership will probably pull the country apart as the next recession/depression looms.
Chip; So true! If it wasn't so serious it would be comical. Turdeau and Horgan will man the barricades.
My standard rant is that foreign governments wanted Harper gone. They funded the effort in the last election to make sure that happened. Why? Harper was actually developing a more independent business future for Canada and thusly a more independent foreign policy. One of the key planks in this strategy was Canadian energy to tidewater. Northern Gateway, Trans Mountain and Energy East were all elements. LNG off the west coast was a key element. Since the Harper ouster all of this is essentially gone.
Besides the utter incompetence of selling resources below market prices while deficit spending, the current government has systematically sabotaged Western Canada's energy industry. It has allowed BC to delay Trans Mountain to the point of economic ruin. Turdeau should have countered the USA's NAFTA demands by immediately authorizing the start of Trans Mountain. He never did and this is the worst demonstration of weak leadership to date.
Unlike many Canadians I sympathize with the American international trade position. I do not think Trump is unique he is simply voicing a ground swell of American concern. The USA has;
1) Funded world defense since WW II; 2) endured trade deficits to the tune of up to $1 trillion per year; 3) carries a national debt over $20 trillion. A debt that threatens every entitlement program in the USA; Globally the USA has to adopt a pay as you go policy and that will not change whether Trump is POTUS or not. It is passing strange that the MSM condemns Trumps deficit of $1 trillion through a tax cut when GDP growth could eliminate that risk. That same media had no problem with Obama doubling the USA national debt during his presidency.
Canada has to grow up. It is not the USA's responsibility to take care of us. Canadian industrial policy which over saw a massive capital investment in Ontario and Quebec is a huge failure. Firms are leaving for the USA. Canada is a resource based economy yet spends like a first world economy. The nature of the economy demands a more fiscally conservative approach. Ultimately weak leadership will probably pull the country apart as the next recession/depression looms.
"My standard rant is that foreign governments wanted Harper gone."
Harper's major sin was that he was not a committed Globalist and was skeptical of the AGW fraud. Well, I would suspect that, for starters, the UN and IPCC wanted Harper gone, the EU bosses, Obama and the Borgia Clintons wanted Harper gone. They accomplished this through our Laurentian Elite controlled media and bankrolled by Soros and sundry US foundations. Vivian Krause has done work documenting the foreign money coming in to Canada to influence our elections and resource development. Sorry, no links.
We drove through Fort Nelson a couple of years ago and the economy appeared to be less than robust then; partly finished buildings standing uncompleted and lots of shuttered stores. We were surprised to see how few gas stations were left open for business.
I can't imagine 4 years of Horganomics will improve things for the Fort Nelson area.
We have these morons at the wheel because of the mentality of our city dwellers. Cities have way too much power over the Rest of Us. I'd like to go back to the concept of City States and cut Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton... from the ROU. For the greater good. We can then lead a life more in line with our own customs and values. As far as I'm concerned, building a wall around Edmonton should be a top priority. After I leave of course.
Try fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/
You can go back years & review the work she did outing Suzuki, Robertson, Tides, the whole west coast b.s on green graft.
You are welcome
Uggh. Another “green” label affixed to an industry that is about as FAR from green as is conceivable. Aluminum production is THE most energy dependent industrial operation on the planet. So how does Canada reduce the carbon dependency of the smelting process? Hydro power. That’s right Canadians ... YOUR Hydro power BILLS are hockeysticking upward because you are competing with “green” aluminum production. Thanks for the subsidy! says John Horgan.
https://aluminiuminsider.com/low-carbon-aluminium-boosts-industrys-green-credentials/
China currently owns 40% of the world’s aluminum production. And they aren’t powering it via solar panels (read: the filthiest of coal burning). And Canada is hardly the only hydro-powered Aluminum maker in the world as Norway and the US also have hydro-powered operations.
John Horgan is a tool. A tool of the Leftist-greenie loons who dare to call aluminum production “green”. It’s only “green” because you Canadians are getting screwed. Perhaps if Canadian aluminum production falls ... so too will your hydro bills! See ... MY President is helping Canadian citizens WIN as well ... WINNING!!!
When the new voting system arrives people beyond Hope can form a block whose only plank is to do whats best for the interior. We would be the third largest party and could control any of the inevitable minority governments
"A bureaucrat, two activists and a drama teacher. This is the best we could do....."
Yup. An in opposition....?
And now you know the rest of the story.
I'm not familiar with the hydro situation in Quebec, but in the case of BC, Alcan built the hydro facility and sells surplus power to the provincial grid. The assault on taxpayers was caused by politicians reneging on past deals after the proponent had invested heavily in it.
Here's a possible sign of the situation in the region:
https://tinyurl.com/y9tmptqb
Ritchie Brothers has a large yard near Grande Prairie so I imagine that any equipment that's for sale could be brought there.
Similarly, the last time I passed by the RB yard south of Edmonton, it was filled with heavy equipment, much of it which appeared to be fairly new.
Here's a possible sign of the situation in the region:
https://tinyurl.com/y9tmptqb
So. An Aluminum corporation is allowed to dam-up WILD RIVERS to supply Private Power ... but no more dams can be built to provide cheap plentiful power for the public good? Got it. “Green” aluminum ... right.
Horgan: "The proposed trade tariffs by the US would put thousands of BC jobs at risk, creating uncertainty for people and their communities"
The same can be said of any Liberal/NDP policy. But of course now it's Trump that's the bully, completely ignoring how much US $ and special interests helped those same Liberal/NDP governments attain power.
The aluminium smelter in Kitimat, B. C. was, as I recall, built in the late 1940s. In order to operate, it required electrical power, so the dam at Kemano was built primarily for that purpose.
The Bloc would be known as People Beyond (Without) Hope?
Thanks. I entered the site as a favourite now.
As BC'er who has to go to work now.. Just a question. Has anyone here done a tally of which governments that Soros controls now?.. Large parts of Canada now are on that list..
Too true. Mr. Nobody has all the appeal of a piece of wet liver. What were they thinking? And the Conehead, well, enough said
In fact, the hydro electric project at Kemano is a marvel of engineering. They dammed the Nechako River, and bored a tunnel 9.9 miles long through a mountain to the powerplant that is located 1400 feet inside a mountain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemano
It is amazing to think of the capital cost outlayed by a single company, and it's investors. And you are correct, the excess power is sold to the province to provide power in the nearby local communities.
So this engineering marvel was a PRIVATE project? Entirely privately funded. And the entire watershed feeding the Dam is privately owned? Amazing!! If so, then they have the ABSOLUTE right to CHARGE $$$ the public for their “excess power”. However ... if even one dime of public money or resources (like H2O) contributes to the generation of the power, then the excess power should be discounted if not FREE.