“It’s not that I don’t like computing or I don’t like computers. I mean, I am a computer scientist,” she said. “Many of the leading opponents of paperless voting machines were, and still are, computer scientists, because we understand the vulnerability of voting equipment in a way most election officials don’t. The problem with cybersecurity is that you have to protect against everything, but your opponent only has to find one vulnerability.”
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WE don’t have to worry about Russia ,, It is the deep state that have the Keys…Those that are the enemy of America are so called Americans.. Treason is real & for sale, just ask CNN
I’ve been in IT for 40 years.
In my view, paper is far easier to secure than computers are.
Before voting with computers, I can’t remember voting security being an issue to the extent we have today.
Ultimately, in my experience with IT, the energy required to do something, even voting, does NOT get less when it comes to computers.
It’s like a man’s leaving his wife for a hot-looking girlfriend. That hot-looking girlfriend may look good but 91.5% of the time she’ll be high maintenance.
Same thing with computers.
As Rosanne Rosannadanna once said, “It’s always something.”
I am happy to live in a rural area and so vote on paper ballots. Last year I was pleased to write in my dachshund for president (she is good, and brave, and loyal, unlike the two candidates presented). The vote wasn’t counted, but, still, I could write it. With a machine, that consolation would have been denied.
No, no, don’t tell me about “the lesser of two evils.” The lesser evil is still and evil.
It’s not even “lesser of two evils” electronic voting is simply an invitation for a *massive* failure. Even worse is the idea of internet voting – and unlike the NHL, we won’t be able to trade a new President or Prime Minister to another team and assign him to the minors.
The only people in favour of it haven’t taken the time (or don’t have the knowledge) to understand the risks.
That is a weakness of all systems. Paper ballots? Find the one guy you can pay off.
nothing to do with the lessor of 2 evils. One would have embraced the status quo, the other is destroying it. You don’t have to like the plumber to appreciate his workmanship.
Stuffing the ballot box is not only a digital problem.
With paper ballots, you don’t have to be very highly versed in IT to identify a stuffed ballot box. And when you find one, you know it was done by someone who had their hands on it, not by one of millions of hackers in a country on the other side of the globe.
I agreed before the advent of blockchain. With blockchain, digital should become more secure than analog.
First, block chain primarily worries about data integrity and second it can not be put in place without networking a machine.
It is a false sense of security.
The quote, and in particular the last sentence was picked for reasons.
Seven layers.
“how the future President (Lyndon B Johnson) overcame a 20,000-vote deficit to achieve his famous 87-vote victory in the 1948 Democratic runoff primary”
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/11/us/how-johnson-won-election-he-d-lost.html
Last year I was pleased to write in my dachshund for president (she is good, and brave, and loyal, unlike the two candidates presented).
She would probably be far cleverer as well, if the last dachshund in my family is an example.
“Indeed, you won the elections, but I won the count.” – Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza.
To Stalin was attributed the quote: “It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.” Most certainly apocryphal, though it has been revealed Stalin voiced similar views.
First, block chain primarily worries about data integrity and second it can not be put in place without networking a machine.
Neither of those have anything to do with the point UnMe made; “data integrity” is the entire point of secure voting.
Blockchain isn’t a great idea because of it’s complexity. It may be possible to prove the algorithms secure mathematically, but it’s the implementation and the hardware that will have weaknesses.
A voting machine doesn’t have to be perfectly secure, it just has to be as secure or more than paper voting, and be more cost-effective. We’ll get there eventually.
A vote is NOT data. That’s a myopic technologists view.
Here, take this offer: You get to be the credentialed technologist that has the fortune of telling Elections Canada that results from Poll 23 from Victoria County are invalid because the station failed integrity checks.
And also Poll 45 in Saskatoon-Wanuskewin and 54 in Ottawa Centre.
Oh, and we can’t do recounts because the data can’t be confirmed.
False security.
Exactly. Taking into consideration the comments above and the results in some elections, and as Frances reminded us, paper or electronic, it is he who counts the votes that matters.
This reminds me of a few years ago during a Saskatchewan provincial election, in a north-west riding, there were more votes than registered voters for one candidate, and, the other candidates also got some votes. But, because of the location where the overage was located it was hushed up and forgotten about.
I have ALWAYS … for the last 35 years … voted on paper ballots marked by pen and fed into a computerized scanner-counter. I have always felt the system to be secure and foolproof as the paper ballots were always available for a hand recount. And then … in 2001 …
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/30/local/me-9855
The easiest way to hack an election is to have every election place worker be from a single political party. I actually KNOW every one of the poll workers at my local polling place … and they are ALL liberal Democrats. Every single election, it is virtually the same people. Not a single Republican working behind the tables at my polling place (we all have jobs).
I believe we need a new LAW in America. That every government agency workforce in America be EQUALLY represented by political affiliations. There is no doubt that the current Deep state is nearly 100% leftist Democrats. The IRS debacle and charade proved that. If we can hire according to ethnic diversity ratios … then we can hire for political diversity as well. We need checks and balances applied to ALL government workers … especially election workers. The Deep state has to be remade.
paper ballots only, with as much back up as possible for counting. Canada should not allow publishing the results of any vote nationwide until all votes in all areas have been counted and finalized. proof of citizenship and residence should be in hand when going to vote and failing to have such id in hand gets you eliminated from voting, no registering at the poll.
Computerized counting is in order, but you must have the paper ballot, in some form or other. Then you can have a genuine recount if necessary
I agree with old white guy. And not just because I’m a middle-aged white guy. Here’s an example why.
My wife is a permanent resident from Asia. She can’t legally vote in political elections here. She came with me to our polling station for the latest Nenshi tongue-bath. She asked three different people scrutinising the vote about how they validate that only Canadian citizens are voting. None could answer her question, because a valid driver’s licence is all that’s required for proof of ID, and they don’t indicate citizenship. Notwithstanding all the other “methods” by which one can establish one’s bona fides that don’t have photos. Were she unethical, she could have returned to the station later, self-registered, and cast her ballots.
Paper ballots aren’t yet secure, but they’re a lot easier to get into that state from the current one.
Maybe if the voting computers had retinal scanners(stay with me here), then ineligible people would be screened out and eligible voters couldn’t vote more than once.
…and you and I (Racists of Course as we likely did NOT vote for the Purple Baboon), both know that there were very likely a few thousand from the NE (and elsewhere), that were NOT Canadian citizens and that did indeed vote….for Nenshi.
This BS has got to stop.
No Registration at the polls.
Pre Registration with Confirmation one is a de-facto Canadian Citizen is the only way.
One wonders what elections Canada has to say on this…or are they even involved.?
in the face of enormous breeches, hacking scandals, bots, programmers leaving secret doors in the s/w, on and on and on and on, why the FCUK does ANYBODY yearn for digital voting?
answer: look at what these proponents have in common.
I too did 30 yrs in IT and am utterly forever OPPOSED to electronic voting. the ‘convenience’ factor is just an excuse along the lines of ‘if it conveniences just oooooooonnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee person it’s wooooooooooooorth it.’
aka solving one problem by creating, in this instance, MILLIONS more. typical politishuns.