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Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!

Sept. 18th - Trudeau threatens to not buy Boeing fighter jets to protest firm's trade complaint

Sept. 26th - U.S. slaps nearly 220% preliminary duties on Bombardier jets after rival Boeing claimed aircraft unfairly subsidized by Canada


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An idiotic threat begetting an idiotic trade move. Sounds about right for the year we're in.

Take that airplane companies of America! Now you can MAGA with more expensive airplanes.

Exactly. Protectionist Spawn, meet much bigger protectionist Trump where your country sells most of its goods.

Without the US market CS series is toast and all the money robbed from Canadian taxpayers and sunk into the sacred cow of Quebec could equally well be spent building the statue to PM Pussy Hat's bottomless ineptness.

Not a good day for our Eastern friends at Bombardier. Is it wrong for me to take some amount of pleasure from seeing this corporate leaches suffer?


https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/bombardier-pivotal-week-five-things-you-need-to-know/article36385016/

Talk about gettin bitch-slapped.
And I couldn't be happier....

Why can't Bombardier build a fighter jet for Canada? From what I gather, the CF-18 Hornets are obsolete anyway. (Probably the reason the US is selling them to us.) If in 1957 we could conceive the Avro Arrow CF-105 with hand drawn blueprints and slide rules, imagine what we could build with the new I-Mac Pro that's coming out this Christmas.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerful-mac-arrives-december/

France now posses 110 copies of one of the top fighter jets in the world, the Dassault Raffale. There must be a few aeronautical engineers who would come to Quebec, design fighter jets by day, party by night, and acquire a taste for poutine and Molson's Canadian!! Non??

https://youtu.be/CsVAO_U78Qg


I really don't feel safe flying in a Canadian government subsidized jet. Sorry ... I just don't trust government work. Tariff-away Mr. President ... keep those junk planes out of circulation

Oh dear, who is going to break the news to Shiny Pony?
His oligarch bosses will not be that happy either.

Interesting that when asked about his personal threats directed towards Boeing PM Sock Retard said "because they are attacking us"... us? Who's us? Is the Sock Retard the actor who plays the role of the PM of Trudopiastan or is he an employee of the Bombardier family... funny how no one in the Media thought to ask. The answer of course is, both.

Something like this usually begats a resignation of a PMO staffer.

Can't remember where but I did read a story that quoted an employee of Bombardier from TBay stating that none of the parts they are making fit properly and they have to pound every piece of sheet metal by hand with hammers to get it to fit into the assembly.

Any of you realize that Boeing doesn't even build a short haul jet anymore? What are they being protected from? It's a Bombardier C-Sardine for cheese sakes! It's not even a real plane!

That's the sheet metal workers byline, "smash to fit", LOL
Add the too short wiring harness from Mexico...etc

Won't thiz little problem balanth ithelf? Only thing left is for Trumps and his people to do, is turn puthie hat over his knee and spank him for the idiots that voted for this inept pony to watch. Imagine how much charity money that show could raise?

Bombardier has been subsidized back into the '70's. It is one of those quirky ways that eastern Canada continues to transfer western wealth back east without putting it on the books of Equalization. Westerners continue to put up with this BS. The wealth and quasi independence of the energy industry has been stripped away as anti development regulations squash the industry. It was foreign capital (American) that developed western energy not Bay Street. International capital has left the Canadian energy scene. Does this cause street demos in Calgary or Edmonton? Nope. The raving rednecks of Alberta are quietly lining up for their welfare cheques like good Canadians.

"Exactly. Protectionist Spawn, meet much bigger protectionist Trump where your country sells most of its goods."

In a nutshell.

And on that note, I have recently been personally reminded of just how much bigger and more wide open the US market really is. In attempting to obtain some simple replacement hardware while repairing my deck railings, no joy to be had with the limited ranges offered by Home Depot, Rona, Lowe's etc., etc., in the Ottawa area; sorry, I'd have to replace my railings completely (of course).

However, just across the St Lawrence River in Massena, upstate New York, the local Home Depot there has everything I need - and is prepared to order anything for me if they don't have it in stock.

New York State alone, with about 20 million residents, has the equivalent of 55 percent of Canada's population within its borders.

We should be smart enough to subsidize our aerospace industry the same way the US does. Pay them outlandish prices for military contracts. Maybe our next fighter is the The Dassault Rafale subcontracted to Bombadier. Bombardier is on the public teat - make them work for it.

Saw the premier of La Bell Province on the news this a.m. telling us how we all need to unite behind a Canadian industry....I'll let that sink in for a moment....

Really...!!!! I for one can not support an industry that is destroying sacred gaia. That is pumping the demon CO2 into the air! We must think of the planet.

On the other hand, we've pumped so much money into the thing to prop up the Beaudoin family and their liarberal party subsidiary, why not a little more!

The truly ironic thing is that Canada's two largest carriers are going with pretty much all Boeing products (the exception being the token purchase of CSeries aircraft by AC)

Apparently when Justine " whipped it out " it wasn't very impressive !

Canada in the midst of important NAFTA talks chosen to antagonize it's most important trading partner.
Then it sets out to reform taxes all the while ignoring what really matters - it's tax competitiveness with its trading partners.
Stupid really stupid.

The irony is lost to the Liberal purveyor of news, the CBC. Much lamentations and tears at CBC this morning as they again try to con Canadians about this latest ruling. Does Freeland and Trudeau as well as the head of CBC really think that a measly $9 Billion contract is really going to make or break Boeing. As far as all those proposing that we build our own fighters, this is a country that can't even supply suitable transport for the American and Mexican trade delegations to the NAFTA meetings. Damn we can't even build our own ships to equip our navy or build tanks for our army, and Canadians think that we should build our own fighter jets, if it wasn't so pathetic it would make a good sit-com. The best of it is that the mean old POTUS, Trump will be blamed for this. If Shakespeare were alive today he'd come up with a play about this, something about Two Pussycats Meet the Tiger.

There's a bit of history behind that, going back to the Avro Arrow.

Avro Canada was dissolved following the cancellation of that project and Hawker Siddley took over that company's assets. HS was, by then, a diversified company, and one of its divisions was involved in producing railway equipment.

The result was that HS began producing rail cars in Canada. Unfortunately, those made for rapid transit systems were largely junk. Like you mentioned, parts didn't fit properly and there were frequent problems with the doors.

Years later, many of the facilities that produced those rail cars were acquired by Bombardier.

Canada has had a history of shooting itself in the foot when it came to exporting its technology. The CBC documentary There Never Was An Arrow gives some insights as to why that project was cancelled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQiKY3EXdnU

Isn't it time for Macleans magazine to roll out their annual report on corruption? With a front page photo of the Quebec flag on it? Maybe a jet in the distance behind it? smoke billowing from one engine while the pilot screams to "send more taxpayer's cash now" ... as opposed to the regular mayday signal...

The c-series is a competitor of the 737 genius. Anyway, no one sane would fly in a Bombardier aircraft.

I would fly on a Bombardier aircraft at any time. The Dash 8 series and the RJ series are exceptional aircraft. But, these are markets that Bombardier abandoned to go play in the saturated world of narrow-body small aircraft.

Regional airlines around the world are clamoring for small turbo-props along the lines of the Dash 8-200 and Dash 8-300. Bombardier could own this market with these aircraft re-engined with the new technology engines they employed with Dash 8-Q400. But no, they, for some reason, had to jump into the fray between Boeing and Airbus. Now, Embraer is considering putting its turbo-prop EMB-120 back into production because of the demand. Where is Bombardier?

Of course, when you know your wholly owned subsidiary, the liarberal party of Canada provides you with endless cash-flow, why not?

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"The result was that HS began producing rail cars in Canada."

hawker made the initial replacements for the red rocket streetcars in toronto. they were overcomplicated, extremely expensive and slow and heavy. in fact, they were so heavy and hard on the existing rails that toronto had to embark on a major road reconstruction project to embed the rails in concrete to stop the subsidence issue.

condensation in the compressed air system for brakes and doors often froze up in winter. the special electronic couplers at tens of thousands of dollars apiece never really worked and were finally removed from each end of each car and they reverted to using the old drawbar system on the new and improved streetcars.

they were also slower in operation than the old streetcars, mainly due to the extra time door operations took (pneumo vs straight electro-mechanical links) and the greater mass (starting & stopping).

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All Quebec industry is unfairly subsidized; aluminum, aircraft, milk, you name it. It's political bribery, all of it.
That said, I do think Canada should stop buying American military hardware, buy European instead.

The CBC documentary There Never Was An Arrow gives some insights as to why that project was cancelled:

More of the usual hagiography.

In the case of the documentary I referred to, it was made about 20 years after the Arrow was cancelled, so many viewers at the time would have known about it. As well, it includes interviews with many of the people who were involved with it, such as Jim Floyd and Fred Smye.

It didn't romanticize or embellish what happened like the CBC docudrama tended to do.

I think everyone knows that Bombardier is not a viable company. It is a government operation and we the taxpayer are are suffering the extortion required to keep it afloat.

Thank you, Mr. Trump, for hitting Bombardier and the little shit, Trudeau, over the head with the money they aren't going to get from you.

Bombardier's business is getting government grants and subsidies. It only makes airplanes in order to get more grants and subsidies. If you doubt me then why did all the management award themselves bonuses for landing the latest government cheque which was, you guessed it, a government subsidy and/or grant. While legitimate businesses give bonuses to their employees when they land 'the big contract', Bombardier gives bonuses for landing large government welfare cheques.

The tweets around this posted along with the CBC tweet are seriously dumb. People seem to think that we can just pick up our toys and go home (leave NAFTA -- which we may have no choice about anyway) or penalize the US by refusing to buy their cars, for example (so what if aspects of their cars are made in Canada). No one wants to acknowledge that the US has a legitimate gripe. Canadians are very naive -- snotty too.

This should be on topic:

https://kek.gg/i/3dmNGq.jpg

Nothing says "you're an ahole" like a 219 percent tariff.
Good thing for Quebec Liberals that Bombardier has a "duel class" share structure.

My bad - should I be sending letters like this?

"Sirs;

I am Canadian but your website says one of your goals is to actively seek out problems. I don't know the intricacies of NAFTA and there are a lot of exceptions to otherwise fast rules.

Canadian law, as administered, says I cannot buy an American car unless it is approved for import as are virtually all mass produced autos. That's not a problem.

The problem is with car kits or parts for Hot rods and replica cars. The Canadian government allows the import of a pile of a body and frame parts but no mechanical parts. Any parts for completion also must come from Canadian sources. There can be no point to the law other than supporting Canadian industry to the detriment of American industry. There are hundreds of companies employing thousands of Americans in this industry. Some catch 22s from a Canadian government website.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/tp-tp2436-rs200804-faq-689.htm

In enforcement, the Canadian government is even ignoring its own jurisprudence in determining what is a car. They determine that a pile of parts with mechanical parts is an automobile while Canadian courts have held otherwise. See Macro Auto Leasing Inc. v. Canada (Transport)

http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fc-cf/decisions/en/item/53919/index.do

What's my interest? I was looking into building a hot rod, which is freely allowed, but a daunting task without free access to American parts."

It will be interesting to watch how Mr Trudeau's brains behind the curtain handle this one, could be quite the show.

I doubt very much our next fighter will be a French Dassault,as France and Germany just screwed Bombardier on a railway merger. Interesting to see at that link that Bombardier also has a $200 million deal with Russia for railway cars,and also that Bombardier has five employees in Sweden going to Court on charges of corruption and bribery.

Justin should just show his true colors,and the true colors of Quebec industries, screw the USA,or those hated Anglos in Canada, and buy the Chengdu J-20 straight from our closest ally and best trading partner,the Country where almost everything we buy is made: China.

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-stealth-j20-us-f22-f35-comparison-2016-11

I don't know, Antenor, but I thought the transportation and lunches for the NAFTA delegates were extremely appropriate. Let those high-end jobs-worths experience life at the level (more or less) of those of us whose fates they are deciding.

best two comments,

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J | September 27, 2017 1:24 PM | Reply

I think everyone knows that Bombardier is not a viable company. It is a government operation and we the taxpayer are are suffering the extortion required to keep it afloat.

Thank you, Mr. Trump, for hitting Bombardier and the little shit, Trudeau, over the head with the money they aren't going to get from you.

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Joe | September 27, 2017 1:51 PM | Reply

Bombardier's business is getting government grants and subsidies. It only makes airplanes in order to get more grants and subsidies. If you doubt me then why did all the management award themselves bonuses for landing the latest government cheque which was, you guessed it, a government subsidy and/or grant. While legitimate businesses give bonuses to their employees when they land 'the big contract', Bombardier gives bonuses for landing large government welfare cheques.

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And I will add,

if Bombardier's airplanes are so great then why must both Canada and England give them money regularly ? ( Bombardier has 4000 employees in England which is why England also gives money to keep Bombardier alive)

and why must Bombardier sell its planes at a reduced price if they are such great airplanes? would not people be willing to pay the full price for a superior jet instead of buying an inferior Boeing?

Bombardier should stick to building snowmobiles...

Bombardier should stick to building snowmobiles...

That division was spun off as a separate company, Bombardier Recreational Products, and it's traded on the TSX.

cause and effect. sorry trudeau, you're playing with the big boys.

Just who the hell are you Canadians going to fight, anyway? The U.S.? Send a hockey team over to take Detroit and a big piece of Michigan? If you're not careful, the U.S. will let you keep it. I'll be happy to watch Canada go broke trying to support all those welfare cases on 8 Mile.

Or Russia, maybe? Russia doesn't want Canada. What Russia wants is money - Rubles are worth about as much as a role of Charmin. But since Canada is badly bent, I seriously doubt Russia is going to invade Canada.

So why the furor over the war planes? Tell Trump to shove it where the sun don't shine, and start developing your economy. Manufacturing, alcoholic beverages, opium, whatever. Export it to the U.S. of A., and maybe your in-laws across the pond, and start making some real money.

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