The exposé on how Canada's Foreign Minister knowingly lied for 20 years about grandfather's past, now blames Russia https://t.co/2zyo6amPBC
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 10, 2017
To paraphrase Tom Wolfe* — dark armies of deniers are always amassing on the right, yet marching on the left.
Not a flattering picture of her. Looks like my mom when she forgets to put her teeth in.
Tom Wolfe himself was actually paraphrasing Jean-François Revel (1924-2006), the French writer, philosopher and journalist:
“[Comme] si le danger ‘fasciste’ existait de façon prépondérante aux États-Unis, pays qui, en deux cent vingt ans, n’a pas connu la moindre dictature, alors que l’Europe les a collectionnées.”
(As if the ‘fascist’ danger largely existed in the US, a country which, in 200 years, has not experienced the slightest dictatorship while Europe has been collecting them.”)
Can anyone be more Nazi than Hitler?
Yes. The Justice Ministry in US occupied West Germany.
“In 1957, 77% of the (West German Justice) Ministry’s senior officials were former Nazis, which, according to the study, was a higher proportion that during Hitler’s Third Reich government, which existed from 1933 to 1945.”
(emphasis added)
http://www.businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10
If my grandfather killed or supported the killing of Russian Communists I would forever sing praises even if he had Nazis as allies of necessity. I wouldn’t deny it. I would proclaim it. The Russians were much better at genocide than the Nazis ever were. From 1917 to 1955 they probably killed half my people.
According to Colby Cosh of the National Post, there are several interesting threads to this story.
One, Freeland’s uncle is a retired University of Alberta history professor who chronicled the family history which included the grandfather’s role as editor of the newspaper in Krakow, Poland.
That newspaper was more anti-Semitic than pro-Nazi and many of the articles were used as recruitment tools for the Waffen SS death squads, although there was scant evidence that grandpappy wrote any of the articles himself.
Two, the revelation of Freeland’s grandfather role first surfaced 2-4 months ago on a source in POLAND. It was subsequently picked up by Russian websites.
The pickle Freeland finds herself in has nothing to do about the sins of her grandfather. It’s the fact that even though she was well-aware of her family history, yet blamed Russia, not the original source in Poland, where the sin against humanity and particularly the Jewish populations that were killed by the Waffen SS death squads happened.
Is Freeland’s reaction a surprise and that the Russophobia reflex among some elements of Canada’s Ukrainian population still exists? Well, when you consider that there’s busts of Stepan Bandera in public buildings, it seems the issue is at least not being laid to rest.
True, living in that time and having to choose between two devils (Hitler and Stalin) is a choice all of us are lucky we did not have to make.
My now-deceased father, a Red Army veteran, and his fishing buddy, a now-deceased Waffen SS veteran, did put the past behind them due to their disrespect of Stalin.
At least they respected each others’ humanity.
Maybe it’s time for their descendants, some of whom on this blog are viciously anti-Russian (you know who you are), to take the example of my father and his friend and quit blaming Russia for all their unresolved issues.
She looks just like the guy I buy my smokes from on the rez.
So the Ukrainians should simply forget the fact that the Russians killed as many as 12 million of their people for not being Russian. To you go the worst vulgarities.
So Jews should forget the fact that Ukrainian Waffen SS death squads killed millions of them because that was the price they had to pay for independence from a Soviet Union led by a Georgian?
From my father and his Waffen SS fishing buddy, who forgave each other for their roles in a truly horrible time, that showed me the best way to go.
When he was alive, I had issues with my father. When his casket was being lowered into the ground, I said to myself ‘ I forgive you.’ And ever since, I have been at peace with myself since I knew some of the way he treated me was because he was unable to rationalize some of the terrible things he saw and may have done.
There is nothing you or I can do to change history. Nobody says anybody has to forget historical facts.
All we can control is our attitudes and until anybody can let go of the hatred, they cannot attain inner peace.
When my son, at a young age, went through the “I hate this, I hate that, I hate you’ stage, my mother had words of wisdom for him: When you hate, the only person you destroy is yourself.
Let go of your hatred, scar. Never forget, but forgive and move on with your life.
“”In 1957, 77% of the (West German Justice) Ministry’s senior officials were former Nazis, which, according to the study, was a higher proportion that during Hitler’s Third Reich government, which existed from 1933 to 1945.”
(emphasis added)”
How to implement a successful regime change:
Take officials of the former regime, and let them do their jobs, with the proviso that if they don’t toe the new party line, they get shot and replaced with whatever 2ic is available.
Result: Stable post WW2 Germany.
How not to implement a successful regime change:
Declare all officials of the existing regime to be criminals, shoot or imprison them, and hire political toadies to do their jobs.
Result: ISIS forming in Iraq.
My mom’s parents were both Nazis. They still thought of Hitler as one of the good guys well into the 1970s. I recall getting into some pretty heated arguments with them over it.
Opa was a grunt soldier in WW2, captured by the Americans in 1944, and sent to a POW camp run by Canadians. He was so impressed with the decency and fairness of the Canucks that he moved the whole family to Canada in the mid-1950s. I never could figure out the logical disconnect. Perhaps the dichotomy between the National Socialists and the International Socialists was so strong he couldn’t see the third way (no socialists).
To: son of Red Army liberator
1. “having to choose between two devils (Hitler and Stalin) is a choice all of us are lucky we did not have to make”
Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Portugal, Spain and Turkey
2. You are critical of the Waffen SS but not the Red Army — lying by omission.
3. “My now-deceased father, a Red Army veteran …”
Did he have ‘fun with women’ while liberating Europe?
“Scarcely a woman east of the Elbe survived unraped.” Nikolai Tolstoi in Stalin’s Secret War
Apologizing is more unhealthy for a nation state, than say, invading and annexing a neighboring state.
What is it with all these dingbats who think that the world’s borders should be eternally frozen where they are now?
Historically, borders are drawn along lines of military capability and ethnicity.
The idea that “international law” can freeze them in place is insane.
“Let go of your hatred, scar.”
The Ukrainians were nothing more than victims of history. I think an apologist for the Communist execution of tens of millions, largely ethnic minorities, is a sick little puppy.
Woof
There are always plenty of atrocities committed by all sides in a war and there are no lies in the facts.
My mother was in Minsk, Belarus, when she saw soldiers in German uniform marching into her city. When she listened closely, they were speaking Ukrainian (Waffen SS) and that was before the Jewish population there was rounded up and shot.
That’s a fact.
The fact my father was born in an area that was involved in a dark part of human history does not make him guilty of anything. I’m quite sure he did not volunteer to put on the uniform, but was conscripted. He did not speak about much of his experience, other than the fact he was in a German POW camp and that many of his fellow POWs were sadistically killed by their captors.
I can no more answer for my fathers’ sins than Chrystia Freeland can answer for her grandfathers, which was the topic of this thread. And the newspaper which her grandfather published recruited willing volunteers to join the Waffen SS and kill Jews for the Fuhrer, even though they were living in the Soviet Union.
The point of bringing in my father was that he befriended a Waffen SS veteran and they became fishing buddies.
Therefore, the lesson is that if the human beings whose job it was to kill each other could become friends later in life, then what good does it do that we cannot forgive the sins of our fathers?
“the fact that Ukrainian Waffen SS death squads killed millions of (Jews)”
Citation, s’il vous plait.
Provide reference that the killers of millions of Jews were Ukrainian.
it is a well documented fact that Ukraine SS recruits worked at Auschwitz, and that the SS employed over 225 000 Ukrainians.
…as a matter of fact, the SS in the Ukraine was made up of far more Ukrainian recruits than Germans, by a ratio of around 20:1.
I know there was a POW camp that housed captured German soldiers near Wildwood, about a hour west of Edmonton.
There is still a high population of people of German ancestry in the area.
At least those soldiers fought for their country, no matter how misguided their leader of the time was.
The Waffen SS did not fight the enemies of the country they lived in, the Soviet Union, but fought against their country and were death squads killing millions.
From Wikipedia’s Khatyn massacre:
Khatyn or Chatyń (Belarusian and Russian: Хаты́нь, pronounced [xɐˈtɨnʲ]) was a village of 26 houses and 156 inhabitants in Belarus, in Lahoysk Raion, Minsk Region, 50 km away from Minsk. On 22 March 1943, the entire population of the village was massacred by the Schutzmannschaft Battalion 118 of Ukrainische Hilfspolizei. The battalion was formed in July 1942 in Kiev and was made up mostly of Ukrainian nationalist collaborators from Western Ukraine and Hiwis,[1][2][3] assisted by the Dirlewanger Waffen-SS special battalion.
The massacre was not an unusual incident in modern-day Belarus during World War II. At least 5,295 Belarusian settlements were burned and destroyed by the Nazis, and often all their inhabitants were killed (some amounting up to 1,500 victims) as a punishment for collaboration with partisans. In the Vitebsk region, 243 villages were burned down twice, 83 villages three times, and 22 villages were burned down four or more times. In the Minsk region, 92 villages were burned down twice, 40 villages three times, nine villages four times, and six villages five or more times.[4] Altogether, over 2,000,000 people were killed in Belarus during the three years of Nazi occupation, almost a quarter of the region’s population.
This should also answer Rizwan’s question. If there were 2 million people killed in Belarus with the help of Waffen SS units, what was the extent of their atrocities in the entire war? Not claiming all were Jews, but I tend to believe my mother when she told me there were soldiers in Minsk wearing German uniforms and speaking Ukrainian.
Sure, blame it all on Russia when the historical facts clearly show there were other evil forces in play at the time.
The Waffen SS were primarily soldiers. Some, however, were occasionally co-opted by other branches of the SS that did exterminations. The Ukrainian Division spent some time fighting partisans which was dirty work all around. Curious as to how your father survived as a prisoner of war when 90% didn’t. I suspect you don’t know. A lot of Ukrainian and Russian prisoners survived by working for the Germans in one capacity or another. Otherwise their survival rate was pretty much NIL.
“it is a well documented fact ..”
If something is well documented then references would be easy to find. So go ahead, show me a reference that Ukrainians killed millions of Jews. (BTW, don’t bother providing convoluted reasoning since I will skip it anyways.)
It’s only convoluted when a person does not accept the facts that do not agree with his prejudices.
Anyone who wants to can check it out.
If you want to twist words by say asking someone to actually count how many Jews were killed by SS officers of which nationality, go ahead.
I can play that game too: Hitler didn’t kill millions of Jews, that was actually done by other people, some of them Ukrainian.
So, go ahead and assert that “it is a well documented fact that Ukraine SS recruits worked at Auschwitz, and that the SS employed over 225 000 Ukrainians and as a matter of fact, the SS in the Ukraine was made up of far more Ukrainian recruits than Germans, by a ratio of around 20:1.” is a lie because I refuse to even make an attempt to educate you. The rest of the readers who are interested in facts can check things out themselves, while you are clearly not interested in anything that doesn’t support you inane position that the Ukrainians were innocent of anything, and the Russians are the bad guys.
Seems you are a Freeland toady, as you and here are taking the exact same position.
I guess everybody’s entitled to their own mythology but the facts of the Khatyn massacre in Belarus speak for themselves.
The innocent 2 million murdered Belarus people by Waffen SS units were, at that time, also under the Soviet yoke whether you’d like to call them collaborators or not.
My father did manage to get to the west by adopting and modifying his surname to make it sound more Polish. There were many veterans in his group of friends who, in fact, did survive by agreeing to become forced labourers. Wanna make that choice? Work with us or we kill you.
As you correctly point out, the life of a conscripted Red Army soldier was precarious at best. He was ordered to fight to the death and if he retreated, there were others who were ordered to kill their fellow soldiers for not fighting to the death.
Let’s put this into a hypothetical modern-day situation in Canada with Quebec taking the role of the Waffen SS led by whatever their version of Stepan Bandera may be.
Quebec hates Ottawa and wants their independence from Canada.
During the North American war, the US has invaded Canada and Quebec decides the best way to gain independence from Canada would be to help the US overthrow Canada.
As part of proof of their loyalty, Quebec’s troops wipe out half the population of New Brunswick. Sure, it’s part of the same country they currently Iive in, but how dare those people of New Brunswick maintain their loyalty to Canada? They deserved to die.
Back to today’s reality. Not much we can do about what happened in the past.
Time to forgive and move on
Note to scar and rizwan:
I’m guessing the Khatyn massacre was not a subject that was brought up at Ukrainian youth indoctrination camp.
The Deschênes Commission – The members of Galicia Division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. Charges of war crimes of Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)
“you inane position that the Ukrainians were innocent of anything”
And when did I post that Ukrainians were innocent of anything. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Well, as has already been pointed out on this thread, Canada accepted veterans of the German army who fought for a country Canada was also fighting.
So, it’s no surprise that there were immigrants from many areas of the world who had a somewhat checkered history, including Waffen SS veterans.
There’s really no way of truly vetting those who applied to emigrate to Canada in the post-war period as several instances.
Just accept the fact that there were plenty of human beings on both sides who did terrible things they would not do in times of peace, not just the Russian people under the yoke of a Georgian dictator in an oppressive Soviet system whose capital happened to be in Moscow.
Khruschev was Ukrainian, for gawds sake, therefore the Soviet Union was not a construct of the Russian people and not all their leaders up until the USSR’s collapse 25 years ago were Russian.
Scapegoating Russia, like Freeland did, is a symptom that the brainwashing of the youth into a pointless mythology, has proven to be effective.
Khrushchev was an ethnic Russian who enjoyed killing Ukrainians while he was Ukrainian dictator.
And I missed your reply on how your father survived a German POW camp for Russians when almost no-one else did.
Freeland is a fascist, but not because of her Nazi grandfather, rather because of her own actions as a minion of the fascistic-liberal-party.
rOn MARCH 3rd, 2017, the film “BITTER HARVEST”was released in theaters across Canada! A love story, set against the backdrop of the 1932-33 Holodomor in Ukraine. Produced by prominent Ukrainian-Canadian Ihor Ihnatowycz, the film brings the tragedy of the famine-genocide to audiences around the world. (http://www.bitterharvestfilm.com/about/)
You guys have it wrong.. Katyn was where the Red Army took their Polish Officers that were captured by them, to be executed, following the combined german/soviet invasion of Poland. They even held a joint victory parade.The Soviets turned over captured jews to the germans for ‘disposal’. This was the routine until Barbarossa.
The Galician SS volunteers saw the Germans as liberators, especially in Catholic western Ukraine, where the communists hated catholics and were more tolerant of the orthodox, as Russia is to this day. They still denounce the Catholic church as ‘uniates’ – and Nazis.
About 25 years ago, I met a former Galician SS Officer. His troop (cavalry) was being pursued by the soviets in czeckoslovakia. They were near the point where the western troops were in near contact with the soviets, so he took his troop to surrender to the Anmericans…with the Soviets literally a few hundred meters away. The Americans took them at first, but he overheard them say that they would just turn them over to the soviets anyway. He managed to get away, and was able, from a distance to see his troop turned over to the soviets and executed. He managed to surrender later to the British who put him in prison and later internment camp. In the 1950s he made his way to ”
Canada and was able to join the Canadian army, and even took part in the Sianai peacekeeping mission.
Wow!
This thread,which was about Liberal MP and Cabinet Minister Chrystia Freeland’s lies about her grandfather and his alleged victimhood during WW2, has been as successfully hijacked as the narrative in the msm Papers,where I’ve read at least half a dozen articles tsk-tsking the ignorant Canadian masses for visiting the sins of her grandfather on poor little Chrystia.
The fact that NO ONE is doing that has been successfully buried beneath an avalanche of “you ignorant peasants”!!! by almost every msm columnist in Canada.
Chrystia Freeland is a typical Liberal liar,willing to do and say anything to further her agenda. Right now,Freeland needs a boogie-man,and Russia will do just fine.
Why not? Daddy Trudeau was riding his motorcycle around Quebec during WW2 whilst wearing a German helmet. Modern liberalism is the natural extension of fascism.
“On MARCH 3rd, 2017, the film “BITTER HARVEST”
My wife & I saw the Movie Yesterday in Mesa, AZ (only 1 theater showing it). My wife who is a second Generation
Ukrainian from Dauphin Manitoba. Her Grandfather immigrated before the First WW and claimed he was a White Russian.. My wife had never heard anyone in the Ukrainian Community talk about the the Starving in 1931-32 by Stalin…The Movie was an eye opener for her because she never knew! Why?
The NYT controlled the Western Press such that only the communist’s covered Stalin. It was a world not much different than today’s MSM … The lies of/by the NYT have hidden the truth of communism everywhere,, Those Communists in America are still here and doing the same damage.
Google “Duranty” NYT and think of the “Bitter Harvest”
Furthurmore, regarding SS units…those units that were anything other than German were SS in name only. They were administered, trained and armed by the SS combat units, but were not true SS in the sterotypical fashion. The Ukrainian (Galician) SS were combat troops, but were only assigned guard duties when the unit was pulled from combat for recuperation.
Hitler was extremely upset when he first learned that there were foreign nationals in his uniform, but Himler convinced him of the propaganda value.
Following the war, frenchmen who had joined the french SS units were striped of citizenship, but could get it back by serving a term in the French foreign legion.
Is it just me or does she really really look like the lead singer of Rush?
My father was a Polish draft dodger and left for Croatia in July of 1939 and thus spent WWII in a relatively peaceful location until 1945 when Croatia fell to Tito’s partisans and he ended up in a concentration camp for 5 years. His crime was working as a forester in Austria and because of that he was considered a “Nazi”. My mother thought everything was just fine with Hitler in power and my parents viewed Churchill as a war criminal. There was quite a disconnect during high school history classes where all the allied crimes were not in the standard history books such as the handing over of prisoners by the allies to the Russians which usually resulted in their deaths. From my mother I also heard of things that Serbs did hundreds of years ago which was why the only good Serb was a dead Serb.
What made me look into the “revolution” in Ukraine in 2014 more closely was the involvement of George Soros; whenever this occurs I suspect a globalist plot and this is exactly what I found. Soros, who started making money by turning in fellow Jews to the Nazis in occupied Hungary (because someone else would do it if I didn’t so I might as well profit) is a globalist criminal. I’ve always found it curious why Russia is now so demonized whereas not that long ago there were increasing ties between Russia and the west.
The answer lies in the antipathy towards the globalist/NWO group once they discovered that Putin was onto them and threw out the bankster related oligarchs from Russia. They had done very well in the 1990’s buying up state industries for pennies and Putin put a stop to this. The only vestige of the USSR that still persists is the deification of the Great Patriotic War which is one subject that I can’t rationally discuss with Russians even though they’re now quite willing to talk about the 10’s of millions of Russians that were killed by the the early supporters of a globalist movement during the Russian revolution (and these same individuals had a lot to do with Holodomor). Solzhenitsyn went from being viewed as a western hero for standing up to the USSR dictatorship to being viewed as a crank by western “intellectuals” when he pointed out the flaws in the globalist plans and the increasing degeneracy in the west. Will have to read some of Solzhenitsyn’s late works but having slogged through The Gulag Archipelago, made the wrong assumption that his later works would be more of the same.
What I’ve gathered from my parents, and books such as Yuriy Tys-Krokhmaliuk’s book “UPA warfare in Ukraine” was that there was an initial rush of Ukrainians to join the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS when the Germans first arrived given how much they’d suffered under the communists. This turned to disillusionment once the German plans for Lebensraum in Ukraine became evident and they had no place for the Ukrainians. The UPA operated in W. Ukraine and initially fought with the Germans, but once the UPA realized that they were considered to be untermenschen, they also began to fight the Germans. UPA was still fighting Russians in W. Ukraine until 1950. UPA was also fighting Polish partisans given the Poland still considered portions of W. Ukraine that had been Polish until about 1919 theirs.
Having known almost entirely Ukrainians who have their origin in W. Ukraine, it’s been interesting to talk to Ukrainians who have come from the E. Ukraine who don’t have the same intense Russophobia that I’ve noticed from Ukrainians from W. Ukraine.
One of the easiest ways to control populations is the divide and conquer technique which the globalists employ with great success. Focusing on remote events is counterproductive because things have changed and, the more I study history, the murkier it becomes. I was aware at a young age that official histories of wars are written by the victors and inconvenient details are left out. I’ve noted before that one of the potential reasons for the intense hatred of Russia now in the US may well be as a result of the success of the Soviet destabilization program for the US which began in the 1930’s on a long timescale in which they sought to propagate degeneracy in the society and slowly encourage the adoption of Marxism in universities. The time scale of this process required several cycles of 20 years each and it appears to have succeeded admirably. Somewhat unexpectedly, for those who expected a warm reception and a spot by the current premier on Lenin’s tomb at the mayday parade, the Russian people woke up, threw off communism and left Russia with the problem of how to deal with what is a totalitarian socialist NWO.
When you have to remark on her appearance, you’ve lowered yourself not her.
How about rising above someone’s looks, fellows? I might not be surprised when I see this kind of thing in the Daily Mail comments but this is SDA, for goodness’ sake. Free speech and all that is fine, but show a bit of class. No one is classier than our Kate; follow her example.
I don’t care one bit for Freeland’s world view. It is simplistic, condescending and reeks of her personal bias.
I could care less if her grandfather had a NAZI newspaper. I will judge her on her words and actions, not her heritage.
If she lets her views on Russia colour her thinking, which I believe it does, let her be accountable for that, and forget about her grandfather.
You truly are a vile demagogue Koni. Blame Poles, Ukrainians, Georgians etc it was all them not the russians.
“Never forget, but forgive …”
Sure, as soon russians stop worshiping Stalin and the glory of soviet union. As soon soldats stop marching to commie tunes. As soon as they stop invading their neighbors. As soon as they stop licking the boot of whatever tyrant they have in exchange for a promise of subjugating their neighbours. As soon as remnants of russian occupation stop acting like a fifth column on the territories of russia’s neighbors (all should be marched under a bayonet to the border and shot on the spot if they do not march fast enough). As soon as they admit that soviet union was just a russian empire under new management and that russians and their vassals were responsible for the atrocities committed. Soviets were russians not some mythical aliens teleported from outer space. Until that time a good russian is a dead russian.
“UPA was also fighting Polish partisans given the Poland still considered portions of W. Ukraine that had been Polish until about 1919 theirs.”
Hate to break to you but (i) Poland was off the map for about a century prior to 1919 so you can maybe see how prior to 1919 Western Ukraine wasn’t Polish? (ii) post WWII Poland under the communist puppet government did not consider any part of soviet union theirs.
BTW does “Volhynian massacres” ring a bell?
As said previously, Katyn was a massacre by Russians of Polish Officers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
In all likelihood, you are thinking of Babi Yar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar
Hey Peeair Turdo loved the Nazi’s too, (like most french speaking Quebecers) I wonder if Freeland’s granpappy rode around on a motorcycle wearing a german uniform like Peeair did… one things for sure, Freeland is in the right party. Imagine what the media’s reaction would be if PM Harper’s Grandaddy was a Nazi or MIke Duffy, that would mean Harper is a Nazi too, right? You’d never hear the end of it. Freeland like her lisping boss seems to be a bit of a half-wit, (talks to everyone like they’re idiots) No one is really going to care that her Grandfather was a Nazi just like no one cares that Trudeau Sr. couldn’t decide whether he was a Nazi or a Commie, eventually he figured it out and according to the media became the bestest PM evah. Sounds like a new sitcom for the CBC, “My Grandfather was a Nazi and thats why I’m a Liberal” or “the PM was a Nazi in platform shoes” followed by “Little Potato on the Prairie” followed by “RCMP, hate crimes unit” followed by the Justine @ Sophie Trudeau Comedy Hour.
He is talking of Khatyn not Katyn, two different places.
noted
well now, you are about as ignorant here as you are when discussing fighter jets.
I think if one would, we could just say, “those moderate muslims”.
Nope just a realist about both mooselimbs and russians. There ain’t much difference between them anyway and more and are becoming both.
Hats off to gellen. In any event, few free countries in the world today would discriminate against anyone for the actions of their immediate family members, much less their grandparents.
Donald Trump has a bro who died from booze and other problems. Should Trump resign??
I have no problem with anybody despising the Soviet Union since both my parents did not wish to live there any longer.
I have known plenty of Russian people in my life, including those who have emigrated here very recently.
In my judgement, all the Russians I have known in my life are much more intelligent, articulate and classy than the way they are portrayed by the resident gruff Russophophobes that lurk on this blog.
Even though 2 million of my mothers contemporaries in Belarus were killed by Ukrainian Waffen SS units, there’s nothing any of us here can do to change that now.
I have many Ukrainian friends who also refuse to live in the past and have no need to carry hatred in their hearts and minds over things that happened more than 70 years ago.
Life is too short to be haunted by things we have no control over. To hate an entire group of people is stupidly tribal.
There are plenty of German people living here whose family history includes people who put on their county’s uniform and killed other human beings. Yet, I have no hatred toward their children and grandchildren.
As I wrote on another thread, Chystia Freeland can not be held accountable for her grandfather’ sins but her quick blame-shift to Russia even though her uncle, a retired U of A history professor, wrote about it shows something deeper.
Like I said, you’re a worthless demagogue (a typically russian trait). You have nothing to forgive, you brought everything upon yourselves, you and yours should be begging for forgiveness, instead you keep threatening your neighbors, and praising your mass murderers and tyrants. FOAD (in pain preferably).