CPC Leadership Debate Analysis

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Why is Chong in the race? He should be running for the NDP, clearly, he is a cuck and a statist, his policies come from a closer of shade of Marx and Lenin, than Friedman

I fell asleep during the introduction part.

Didn't like how Chong twisted things to attack other candidates.
I support Pierre Lemieux. He was applauded several times.
Questions very boring and format impossible.
Moderator said need membership and to be at convention to vote. Not correct - just membership.

We need a Trump in Canada. I watch question period regularly. It is all rehearsed drama. Funny how the opposition asks a question and the Liberals read a response. I was in the east gallery years ago and could see the McKay and somebody negotiating beghind the back benders . What a scam.

This shows how deeply troubled and out-of-touch with Canadians they are. We would be much better off with a party that wants Western Canada to separate.

Watched about half the debate,boring as hell,and I saw no one up there who can defeat Trudeau. I was surprised to hear Bernier,thought he spoke English better than he does.

Leitch was okay,Raitt dull as dishwater,and I'll never forgive her rescuing Elizabeth May at the PPG fiasco a couple of years back. The others, dull and un-charismatic.

Maybe the CPC does need Kevin O'Leary in there to liven things up.

Sorry it was the west gallery

Chong does not belong in the CPC.

Bernier is consistent with his principles. I'll give him that. He's very good in french. I wish his english was better, but I'd still choose him over the others.

I was insulted because I applauded Trump a long long time ago but agree with you that maybe we do need O'Leary to shake things up!

It's a good thing that Rona Ambrose isn't running. She criticized those people who chanted "Lock her up!" at the Alberta Legislature this past Saturday and didn't refer to them in complimentary terms.

As much as I would like to see a Westerner take the leadership, I think Mr. Bernier is the only one that can compete with Mr. Trudeau. Jean Chretien had a much more profound accent in English than Maxime Bernier. However Mr. Chretien had an accent in both languages, and spoke French with a lumber camp dialect. Bernier speaks great French.

Who else will swing Quebec?? And we do need Quebec votes to win, although I believe the economy in Ontario may swing a lot of Liberals our way. And do remember that by the next election, the economy will most likely be in shambles. Not only will we have to win, we will also have to restore the damage cause by the ''Trudebt.''

There is zero chance of anybody currently running that can beat Queen Selfie. Short of him committing political suicide, and even then likely not, he's the PM as long as he wants to be. For the election in three years, put out a sacrificial lamb and take the ass kicking that's coming. Then regroup and run on his 8 years.

Canadians are too dumb and too addicted to their virtue signalling ways to dump him. Furthermore, we do not have the intellectual basis for Canada that the Yanks do. There is no Federalist Papers, no Dec of Ind, no Constitution that people could have been killed for writing.

I hate to be so pessimistic but I think you are right. The MSM will cover for the empty headed idiot no matter what he does or says. The goof could wear a Che T-Shirt everyday in Parliament and it would be just fine. Giggles whatshername, Lloyd Oliver, Bob Fife will make sure of that.

old lori is right about Chong. Chong belongs with the Liberals and he can take his climate change with him.

Even Easterners will feel the shafts of high taxes, no jobs and less services. Trump2 will take the PM's job. Who will that be? Stay tuned for a big popular shakeup after the next election.

I disagree, the selfie potato will beat himself.

Almost all could beat Trudeau

He is an idiot that will not be able to hide behind 10 years of media generated Harper derangement next election.

Trudeau will not get better in years to come, he will get worse. Much much worse.

Note that Trost is the only guy to call agw a fraud

The fact that none of the others do disqualifies them in my book

I saw Bernier in Vancouver recently. His English was very good I thought, though it comes with an accent. I like his principles. I hope he follows Trost and foregoes the AGW crap.

Feel the Bernier sounds like a slogan to me.

Canadians themselves are deeply troubled and out of touch,

The mindless, unthinking vote for Trudeau and the Liberals confirms this. I believe many wanted to have an Obama-type at the helm, failing to pick up on Obama's traitorous, disastrous and divisive policies. Americans are finally awaking from that nightmare. Canadians will pay a price for discarding a loyal and highly competent PM for the globalist puppet. How many Canadians do you think are aware that that fancy White house dinner was a globalist propaganda initiative. Canadians as a people are easily duped. The globalist elite know this.

Taxing private employer provided health insurance plans might be his suicide pill.

Chong hasn't got a hope, he should finish last. My observation of him as an MP led me to conclude he was not a team player. I sincerely hope we get it right, not follow in Ontario's PC footsteps.

Bernier does seem to have a few conservative ideas he's willing to talk about if asked. Whoever wins our Canadian media will portray that person as a Trump wanna-be more dangerous to public discourse than Attila the Hun.

MP Chong is in a riding next door to me. He is well liked by the local press and has been around for some time. Our local newspaper had an editorial recently, attacking Kellie Leitch for daring to suggest Canadians had any shared values, and praising MP Chong. The editorial irritated me, and I responded. See


http://www.wellingtonadvertiser.com/comments/index.cfm?articleid=33511


Click thumbs up if you agree. My response is below:



In your editorial of Nov 18, "Claiming the moral high ground"


The editor may think it "wishful thinking" that “Canadians have a defined set of
values". He thinks we cannot have shared values, attributing this to the
"variables of geography, party, creed, gender or race". He is incorrect, and in
fact, none of those variable even matter.


Canadians have shared values; moreover, they share them with many others around
the world. These shared values have survived differences in geography, et cetera
– in fact, those differences are immaterial. I am referring, of course, to our
legacy as a colony of the British Empire.


These values, shared in our fair Dominion, in the USA, Australia, New Zealand,
the UK, India, Trinidad, Jamaica, and other countries, include:

. representative democracy;

. equality under the law;

. freedom of speech;

. freedom to worship;

. the presumption of innocence, and the right to remain
silent;

. solving civil disputes under the basis of common law (precedent); and
many more.


There is a danger to assuming everyone in the world accepts these values. They
do not. Even some European countries do not use the common law. Other parts of
the world share none of these values. Try to publish a picture of Mohammed in
Pakistan.


And yet, they are some of our strongest, most basic, values, in Canada. They
predate and transcend the other “values” that our politicians pay homage to:
multiculturalism, that divides us; the universal health care, that each year
falls behind our needs; and the myriad of government programs that quickly
become entitlements to some favoured group or other.


I cannot speak for her, but I believe Conservative leadership candidate, MP Kellie Leitch of Simcoe-Grey, is
trying to find a solution to the scourge of Islamic radicalization. For that is
the elephant in the room - the radicalization that seems to result once a large
enough group exists within a country, that takes its learnings from Islam. See
France, Belgium, and Indonesia as examples.


Without getting into these questions: why Islam? Why is it the religion these radicals pay homage
to? Why now? It suffices to say "it exists". And we need a response. Atrocities
are being carried out in the name of Islam, and they have come to Canada. They
are already close to home.


Is Strathroy close enough? A planned terrorist bomber was stopped there this
summer. Or Ottawa? - it was attacked directly, two years ago. Did you forget the
plot to destroy a moving Via train? Or to behead the Prime Minister? The carnage
in Orlando?


When the Kitchener school trips to France, to Vimy Ridge, were almost cancelled,
after atrocities all across France & Belgium - do you not wonder, why is this?
After Remembrance Day, what sad news, to hear the security experts warning of
the danger of a school trip, to a country that 100 years ago Canadians were
dying to defend?


Or, from this past week alone, the stabbings at Ohio State University. The list
is long and painful.


You and MP Michael Chong may claim MP Leitch's approach is discriminatory - but
I say, this is our country, we have our own, long-standing traditions and
values, and it seems imminently reasonable, as a precondition to coming here,
for newcomers to show they are willing to live under these values. We will not
give them up; change them at your peril.


Sincerely, Chris Retterath










Even though I like Bernier's economic policies he voted in favour of Bill C-16 so I have crossed him off my list. So far I like Leitch because she has some common sense and so far appears the least politically correct. Also like Trost because he voted against Bill C-16 and is also an AGW skeptic (and a Westerner. Yes, I am biased. No, make that prejudiced.)

Xiat and Ward are right. All governments defeat themselves without exception. Little Potato has remained popular through the first year by the government consistently refusing to make substantive decisions on just about everything. Now they can't dodge any longer, they're having to do things, and the gloss is getting worn off.

MP Chong is in a riding next door to me. He is well liked by the local press and has been around for some time. Our local newspaper had an editorial recently, attacking Kellie Leitch for daring to suggest Canadians had any shared values, and praising MP Chong. The editorial irritated me, and I responded. See


http://www.wellingtonadvertiser.com/comments/index.cfm?articleid=33511


Click thumbs up if you agree. My response is below:



In your editorial of Nov 18, "Claiming the moral high ground"


The editor may think it "wishful thinking" that “Canadians have a defined set of
values". He thinks we cannot have shared values, attributing this to the
"variables of geography, party, creed, gender or race". He is incorrect, and in
fact, none of those variable even matter.


Canadians have shared values; moreover, they share them with many others around
the world. These shared values have survived differences in geography, et cetera
– in fact, those differences are immaterial. I am referring, of course, to our
legacy as a colony of the British Empire.


These values, shared in our fair Dominion, in the USA, Australia, New Zealand,
the UK, India, Trinidad, Jamaica, and other countries, include:

. representative democracy;

. equality under the law;

. freedom of speech;

. freedom to worship;

. the presumption of innocence, and the right to remain
silent;

. solving civil disputes under the basis of common law (precedent); and
many more.


There is a danger to assuming everyone in the world accepts these values. They
do not. Even some European countries do not use the common law. Other parts of
the world share none of these values. Try to publish a picture of Mohammed in
Pakistan.


And yet, they are some of our strongest, most basic, values, in Canada. They
predate and transcend the other “values” that our politicians pay homage to:
multiculturalism, that divides us; the universal health care, that each year
falls behind our needs; and the myriad of government programs that quickly
become entitlements to some favoured group or other.


I cannot speak for her, but I believe Conservative leadership candidate, MP Kellie Leitch of Simcoe-Grey, is
trying to find a solution to the scourge of Islamic radicalization. For that is
the elephant in the room - the radicalization that seems to result once a large
enough group exists within a country, that takes its learnings from Islam. See
France, Belgium, and Indonesia as examples.


Without getting into these questions: why Islam? Why is it the religion these radicals pay homage
to? Why now? It suffices to say "it exists". And we need a response. Atrocities
are being carried out in the name of Islam, and they have come to Canada. They
are already close to home.


Is Strathroy close enough? A planned terrorist bomber was stopped there this
summer. Or Ottawa? - it was attacked directly, two years ago. Did you forget the
plot to destroy a moving Via train? Or to behead the Prime Minister? The carnage
in Orlando?


When the Kitchener school trips to France, to Vimy Ridge, were almost cancelled,
after atrocities all across France & Belgium - do you not wonder, why is this?
After Remembrance Day, what sad news, to hear the security experts warning of
the danger of a school trip, to a country that 100 years ago Canadians were
dying to defend?


Or, from this past week alone, the stabbings at Ohio State University. The list
is long and painful.


You and MP Michael Chong may claim MP Leitch's approach is discriminatory - but
I say, this is our country, we have our own, long-standing traditions and
values, and it seems imminently reasonable, as a precondition to coming here,
for newcomers to show they are willing to live under these values. We will not
give them up; change them at your peril.


Sincerely, Chris Retterath










Well done.

I agree. Bernier lost my vote when he voted for Bill C-16.

Well done ChrisR.

Excellent response Chris!

I took the plunge and read the CTV online "Canadian Press report" of the debate. No Name journalist at it's finest. All the usual crap, with reference to Alexander and the Alberta gathering. It described Alexander as a candidate (which he is not).

When the CPC gets Ambrose to retract her statement calling the Alberta crowd 'idiots' I might pay attention. They are pandering to the media...and losing my support. And Trost is on the right track.
Still wishing O'Leary would step up.

Alexander is a candidate for the federal leadership and Ambrose didn't call the Alberta crowd "idiots"

She said they acted like idiots. But that also was a misnomer, as the crowd was mainly grinning while the chanting was going on. Having a bit of fun and it gets blown out of proportion.

Everyday my InBox is flooded with leadership wanabees. I don't open up any as a matter of course. Why? During the campaign and later with the leadership race not one of these emails gave an opportunity for a two way dialogue. Give us your vote, give us your money, but we don't give a rats ass about what you think.

I have received a total of 1 contact from our local CPC riding association since the election defeat. Yes, I request for money! There is no effort by the CPC to understand or change policy that led to their defeat. This org made a brutal campaign effort and no one has answered for it. No effort to understand the grassroots or effort to defend the CPC from progressives who have infiltrated.

Sorry but not interested.

chrisR....excellent


CT... you nailed it, they don't want our input. And I have said before, as has Phantom, it's the voters that are the problem, because they have been putting up with this shit for way to long. It's time politicians learn who butters their bread

I agree. There seems to be a huge disconnect between the people that 'brung them to the dance' and the politicians.
Rehashing old wounds is sometimes unwise but why haven't any of the mistakes that were made during the election been talked about? Mistakes like the extraordinary length of the election campaign and towards the end it seemed that the CPC including PM Harper had become convinced that they were dead meat. The last 2 weeks of the campaign they just sort of mailed it in. Who was advising the party?

If you think anyone on that stage has the celebrity presence (other than maybe Leitch after the media attempts to smear her) to win, you're in dreamland. Please wake up. Because that's all it means to be a Canadian Prime Minister now. Trudeau is "reality TV" in the PMO.

Seriously, what's the winning issue that takes down Queen Selfie? Immigration? Nope, Canadians still think it's totally necessary to import thousands of below-grade-school skilled haters of Canada. Gun rights? We're not allowed to have those. Freedom? Most people still think we're Just The Greatest Country Evah!

No, he might just wilt and lose favor with the populace but it won't be three years from now. For all it matters, just leave Miss Bouncy Hair in the leadership spot and lose. It's what's coming, just get used to it.

Are any of these contenders actually conservative and unembarrassed to state their views? Or, do they resemble Ont PC leader Patrick Brown, who is so afraid of being targeted by the media he dares say or stand for nothing at all. This as Prem Wynne enjoys a 15% approval rating which is dropping daily.
See this link on one of newest PC MPPs:
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/michael-den-tandt-youngest-mpp-gets-rude-introduction-to-new-face-of-tolerance-in-liberal-ontario

Brown has taken to vetting PC nominations and in my area at least 3 white, middle aged male hopefuls have been stricken from nomination contests because they do not project the "correct" image. The transgressions are mostly in innocuous tweats, or in one case a hockey party video. A description of said video didn't appear to be sexist, racist etc, it was just a bunch of guys overly full of beer. Horrors!

Ont desperately needs an alternative to Liberal excesses, one who is unafraid to stand for a rational energy policy a
reasonable education curriculum, etc. In Brown we have Wynne light, essential the same disastrous policies that have destroyed Ont but with a new face.



Blaney achieved critical mass.

Obrai seems like a fine fellow, can't really follow what he's on about but that has never held back anybody else in Canadian politics.

A week is an eternity in politics, let alone three years. The MSM didn't help Hillary win and it won't be decisive the next time either. Three more years of $100 billion in debt piled up, and three more years of decisions splintering off chunks of the Snowflake Coalition will do most of the job.

Remember what won the last election for the Libs. The NDP voters stayed home, deserting Mulcair in droves. It's you living in dreamland if you imagine that Little Potato is going to survive the next four years untarnished.

This is Canada, long shiny hair will win out over common sense every time.

Well said, thanks for standing up!

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